Unstoppable Dogfighter | Su-30 Flanker-H Vs F-16 Viper | DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

DCS F-16 VIPER: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/viper/ < CODE: "GSF16" for 10% off. 1 Circle/2 Circle BASICS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJrTmaRud9aYbas&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder INSTRUCTIONS TO GET 50% FOR NEW BUYERS... 1. Launch DCS (game NOT website)(so download it first, its free) www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/ 2. Wait 5 Secs 3. Pop-up screen appears 4. Browse and select F-16/F-18 (for example) 5. Proceed 6. This launches you into the DCS Website - logged in AND at the checkout page 7. To add the extra discount type in GSF16 or GSF18 for the additional 10% off. (discount total should now be 60% for first time buyers)

[@MrComplainer]

Day26: F35 Vs SU57

[@PilatePontius-py4td]

What If The Jet Fighter Was Equipped With Reverse Launch Missles,A Armed Landing Gear,A Dorsal Cannon And Of Missle (Forward And Reverse Launch)Coupled With A Rocket Launcer Integrated In The Ejection Seat?

[@kirsankaifat3702]

How should one fight to kill Viper?

[@russia7152]

Het grolwer av seen u play foxbat vs tomcat can u do the mig 31 vs the eagle 🦅 f15

[@TheCobra114-o5e]

Maybe an f86 is a worthy opponent for the viper in the 2 circle… it is able to sit inside of its turn radius and I’m very interested to see what you could do

[@jra5624]

The F16 has always reminded me of a little sports car. Such a beautiful and capable aircraft.

[@jamesbeaudry5827]

Personally, I'd really like to see the two Canadian options that were considered go head to head. The JAS-39 Grippen vs the F-35, just to see how they'd match up against one another

[@peterp4037]

gripen was just smoke.

[@nitonono4143]

the real current block F-35s can't be modeled correctly in DCS because it's still classified, but the general idea is that the current F-35 is better than the F-16, F/A-18 and the F-15 whether it's BVR or WVR. there's a rumor that they tested an F-22 vs F-35 and the result was both jets can't find each other.

[@goodguy3623]

Gripen doesn't stand a chance!

[@kiwishizzle]

@@nitonono4143 I've heard pilots describe the F-35 as flying like a hornet with 4 engines.

[@JozMkII]

Time to watch GS show us how to kick ass in the best 4th-gen 2-circle fighter in DCS!

[@Sparruh9]

the funny thing is the viper isn't the best 2 circle fighter in DCS, sadly. F-18, M2K and f-15 all out-rate with clean jets. With ordinance on wings is where the viper is better but you're likely to drop tanks and a/g weapons when getting into a dogfight. This is able to be overcome using the speed of the jet to force mistakes, like GS is good at doing, he baits the other jet into getting slow then uses the excess speed to pull hard. This is more difficult with G effects enabled though.

[@Sparruh9]

@@OscarZheng50 f-18 max sustained turn rate is around 21 degrees/second while the F-16 is around 19 degrees/second, of course these numbers only mean so much when actually flying against somebody but in true max performance the f-18 still will rate faster.

[@bonkbonker5049]

согласен, су 30 имба

[@moldyspoons5277]

@@Sparruh9 the viper does 25 slick, but you got the hornet one correct

[@firebald2915]

...and GS is at the helm.

[@MrComplainer]

DAY 26: F35 Vs SU57

[@benji.bae.2505]

dog fight or bvr?

[@williammartin150]

Hopefully BRV

[@benji.bae.2505]

hope so too. dogfights are gonna be very one sided

[@thomassimeon3138]

One more maneuverable The other 🤔.....

[@MrComplainer]

For me BVR but dogfight would be one sided but interesting

[@firstchevalier]

On some of these longer ones I'd love to see you switch seats for a couple rounds. You've explained how to destroy the opponent, and demonstrated it. Now let's see how to take that bandit's place and what you might be able to do to NOT get killed if you find yourself in reversed positions. That would be fun.

[@loski1955]

What I love about your video's is you are able to focus on your opponent and explain to the audience simultaneously in a pleasant demeanor . Very entertaining .......Thanks for the content.

[@jsh3624]

Great vids. What would be interesting is to see how a superior 1C fighter would do against a superior 2C fighter who knows what he's doing. Seems like the 2C fighter can fly to high six, be patient and drag the fight down to deck and pretty much wrap it up there. A vid ab counter 2C tactics would be really helpful

[@bexyd5750]

“Removal of that right wing; very critical for flight.” Eagle- Laughs in F-15

[@miroslavmatovic]

I understand that fighter jets often work in pairs. Is it possible for you to organize 2v2 fights, and maybe analyze that?

[@Spocket]

I discovered your channel fairly recently, and I’ve been binge watching your dogfights. Quality content, man!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you I appreciate you, always nice to get new people interested in this stuff joining into the community/channel.

[@JozMkII]

At 7:56, the 20mm rounds hit so hard that even the that wing’s paint came off

[@ShovelMonkey]

GS: It's so dominant that nothing can take the F-16 in a two circle fight. P-51D: Is that so, sonny-boy?

[@scottlich1950]

I’d be interested to see what you do in the flanker’s situation. I know you said it’s basically over if you’re in a 2 circle on the deck with a viper, but what would you do in that situation if the viper was on your tail?

[@eddiebruv]

Die, probably. 😅

[@Big_Red_Dork]

Save energy for a good jink to try and dodge and force a one circle

[@SeaWasp]

I think all you can do is be filled with lead

[@wurfyy]

In previous videos what he has done in this sort of situation is offset the circle. Climb on one side of the circle, descend on the other side, this way you shift the circle until it no longer overlaps, giving you high aspect passes which open up opportunities for high aspect shots or reversing into 1C. This can in turn be countered by the F-16 by matching the climbing and descending so that its turn circle also shifts in the same direction.

[@sandipm7359]

Pray....maybe.

[@yawningkitty457]

Every time I watch a video of the Viper I remember the first time I saw a picture of the F-16 as a boy, I'm only a few years older than the viper but I was always blown away by the design, done without anywhere near as much computer aid as we have today and yet brilliant enough that its still highly capable and just as deadly today is awsome.

[@ZulutheTainted]

Must be scary not only going against a Viper, but one flown by GS as well... Would love to see some more WWI or WWII content!

[@SplashJohn]

Yeah, the guys who agree to fly against GS for these videos are to be highly commended. "So, GS, you want me to dogfight you, with you in the best dogfighter in existence? Why sure! I have no pride, I don't mind getting absolutely shredded multiple times for the sake of entertaining thousands of KZbin viewers! Let's go!"

[@BrianMcKinny]

@@SplashJohn Yep! I agree - it takes balls of steel and lots of skill to agree to go head-to-head with GS and get your ass handed to you in multiple rounds that can only end in a fiery death! :D

[@richardalldredge9129]

Sometime in the future… we may be asking for ww3 content…. I sure hope not….

[@MemeGnome]

How well do you think the F-16 would do against any of the Flanker variants in a fox-2 fight though? Seems like it could have completely different results honestly. Or rather, is there ever a situation where 2 circle fighting is actually relevant in a fox-2 fight?

[@wurfyy]

In a HOBS Fox-2 fight there isn't a lot of room to 2-circle fight because if there's separation, you can usually pull the nose towards the bandit enough to get a lock. However, if we're talking non-HOBS, such as AIM-9L/M and R-60M, the same doesn't apply. You can't really go 2C at the beginning of the fight because in that case the turn circles are offset and it'll most likely be a mutual kill, but you can get into a 2C fight where the circles overlap because then you don't have a moment where you're nose-to-nose.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Flankers would probably win BVR and HOBS fox2 assuming the viper mismanaged energy even slightly when executing counter HOBS manoeuvres.

[@MemeGnome]

@@GrowlingSidewinder That's what I thought. The F-16 *can* stay in 1 circle fights, but not for long. Just don't see 2 circle fighting utilized in counter HOBS maneuvering.

[@mymemesarestale9152]

Just got to watch 14 mins of my favourite aircraft being an absolute unit.

[@tmytyson]

Give the people what they want and do Battle of the Canards: A Battle Royale between the SU30SM Flanker-H, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, and JAS39 Gripen. May the best 'nard win.

[@plixplux]

Oh hell yes!

[@ofekk213]

Can you do more videos flying the Flanker yourself? They are really good (also this one).

[@potatofartsquad]

Flanker: haha my right wing is longer F-16: what wing?

[@lord_kerman]

Keep up the extra matches! It's fun watching the extended videos

[@0neBadRabbit]

I've seen some (rare) comments where people complain that your dogfights aren't very exciting to watch, because there's no "flair"... Honestly, those people don't want to learn anything, they just want entertainment. Personally, I absolutely love the relentless and inexorable way you drag your opponents into a kill, also how you remain calm and fly with knowledge when pressed hard by an opponent. Hallmarks of a beast. Lol Thank you for the wealth of knowledge and quality content.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Also, no offence to them they don’t always understood what they’re looking at, people will say 2 circles are boring, ya cuz you don’t understand wining and losing cues, offset 2 circles, high aspect shots and jinks and out of plain manoeuvres etc etc. once you understand that stuff and you know what ur watching even the 2 circle fight is very satisfying to watch, at least that’s my opinion.

[@koffeekorner4207]

For real man, It's fun watching this because it's like watching a national geographic documentary where the hunter stalks its prey. The predators are in full force on that battlefield.

[@bradleyrobinson8095]

Is it just me or does it just feel different without the old store preview music. The regular videos are still awesome but if just doesn’t have that same iconic feel as the old store music gave us; and I still hear it in my mind every time I open up a GS video

[@cheemagvlogs6406]

The fact that the two most famous enemies have these two fighters on their borders

[@SPIN_89]

We need a David Attenborough voice over on one of these 😂

[@dan_3928]

F16 sounds like the inside of an early 2000s McDonalds with all the beeps lol

[@justiny328]

I watched almost all of your videos. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. I love the explanations of why you're choosing fighting styles, etc.

[@enochlearns6132]

I can't wait to learn the f16 and the f18 is first. Great Fights. I especially liked how you demonstrated how fast things change if you "pull him into the HUD." Keep the vids coming. I appreciate it a LOT.

[@sogerc1]

Hi GS. But at least in DCS the Felon is also presented as a monster, could you fight it for us with the Viper? See if you can pull the same sh*t against it :D And like how others said too, please do the reverse fight of this, see if you can come up with something against the Viper.

[@ryang8040]

I'd like to see more of how the tactics shift for the F16 when it isn't in a guns only fight.

[@estebanceron3242]

Great video. Viper is a beast; and I loved no tracers were shown, makes it even more realistic. I hope GS gets a million suscribers.

[@estebanceron3242]

@@petersuchansky6703 that they're not used in real combats

[@maxjosephwheeler]

*Back to more challenging dogfights! APACHE VS VIPER!*

[@bobbythomas6520]

“I’ve been practicing” me knowing he’s about to wipe the floor if he’s putting MORE practice

[@ashitaka74]

Man, you make it look so easy! I can't even keep my eyes on the bandit while keep on correctly flying that thing...!

[@AlexanderLaw-y1q]

Who gets to choose (and how) whether the dogfight evolves as one-circle or two-circle? Presumably the Flanker pilot wants a one-circle, and the Viper pilot wants a two-circle. How are you able to force the two-circle, despite your opponent's intention, seemingly every time? What could you do in the Flanker to make a one-circle more likely? FANTASTIC CHANNEL, by the way!

[@firebald2915]

F-16 starts and stays by initiating the circle and staying in it. Jinking when he can and hunts that tail.

[@therobert9521]

He basically stays in a fast circle chasing the tail of the opponent. If the opponent tryst to pull him in the hud , he pulls up so the guy shoots under him. The guy doing the one circle will always be low energy because he's trying to point the nose at the 16. So if the 16 stays high energy, sooner or later the fight will go to the ground where his opponent has no choice but to two circle fight. The key is keeping the F-16 fast (400-450) and don't get into a low energy state where you're trying to point the nose at the opponent.

[@n.w.1803]

Great analogy, the Viper as a python, tightening its coils until the other guy is outta energy and outta options. That's exactly what the jet was designed to do, to anything then flying, and it's still just about the best at it..

[@CoSStYRulz]

There was a RoAF F-16 intercept on a Flanker today over the Baltics. Been some time since we had an intercept video, just saying.

[@KraigZero]

Max Afterburner would love to see this and give his input, that guy knows a lot of the fighters you fly man

[@koffeekorner4207]

Time to watch GS show us how to lay waste to the fighter planes with another fighter plane.

[@saturnsl21999]

They should use you as an instructor for real fighter pilots as a part of their training mr sidewinder

[@Mike_Romeo]

Absolutly not. There so much more you need to be a instruction and GS doesnt have those qualification. Just watch the videos where he fought a real Rafale pilot and got crushed

[@romainlavoie1526]

This is fascinating. The Viper must be after the Raptor, the best fighter in the world today !

[@koffeekorner4207]

Experience the battle, dissect the tactics, RELIVE THE DOGFIGHTS.

[@sol2wit781]

This is why the F-16 viper is a Jet that enemies should not be messing with!

[@johnaustas7982]

Yes like the longer dog fights, some more A10 stuff would be nice too see , keep up the the good content

[@EndoplasmicReticulum7]

Nice python analogy to the Viper 😄👍.

[@akaashbhadra7329]

That National Geographic comparison was crazy 😂

[@clairecelestin8437]

"...and because I'm having fun" If you're having fun, we're having fun, and that's why you're pulling 450K into the hud

[@seniorspaz8754]

Is there much of a difference in the optimal rate speed of the early Viper variants (Block 10-20/A Viper) and mid Viper variants (block 25+/C Viper)?

[@fleafrier1]

So interesting to see proper energy management negate any advantage of thrust vectoring. Great video thanks GS

[@paulbrooks4395]

That was an impressive high aspect shot. Rare to pull those off and get the timing down.

[@carlchong7592]

It feels like the one place where the Flanker pilot could have messed with the Viper would be to jink just as the Flanker is in the flare of the sun. Use that moment of blindness to change heading abruptly to disrupt the inexorable 2 circle constrictor.

[@akborealisdevstringerdesig3845]

The Uncluttered view out of the viper is 2nd to none.

[@bigolivegaming3755]

absolutely just vibing out with your outro music

[@Xer0280]

Its amazing how a 50 year old design is holding its own against something that came out almost 30 years later. An improved version of a 50 year old design, but that just goes to show how ahead of its time the F 16 was.

[@milosterzic6452]

Amazing, maybe too amazing, i personally think the flight performances of many jets in this gamr is unrralistic, particularly the f22 f16 and f18

[@mansoorqaisrani5644]

I'm in no way related to aviation, but seeing the first kill you got, I think the flanker should have realised at the last moment to take a sharp opposite turn. Feels like the pilot's experience and knowledge of aircraft's capabilities and short-comings matter the most in air combat.

[@SammywiseG]

Anyone else have an urge to watch the Iron Eagle movies after watching this?

[@th3lunchb0x]

I'm continuously perplexed by the number of people who go into the vertical with too much separation and instead of forcing an overshoot become sitting ducks

[@davidpalmer4184]

Hi Growling, educational to watch! I pray and hope that our, and our allied pilots get the same training, I worry that they will need it soon!

[@jz4958]

I haven't seen a worthy opponent that can give GS a hard time.

[@akarshanbhasin6324]

Can you show how to fly against the f-16?

[@bendalgleish1894]

Hearing how it seems escaping from the 2-circle death grip of the Viper is difficult, would like to see how you get out of it

[@vincebermudez869]

I love your videos GS. Great content.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much

[@plixplux]

"And he dies a horrible fire-y death..." *casual laughing* 😁

[@andrewb325]

Great 2-circle demonstration.

[@Matisaro]

"removal of that right wing, very critical for flight" Unless you are an f15 ofc.

[@lexwaldez]

That... was a beautiful thing. So fun to watch.

[@sullybusch]

You should make a video set to "Going in for Guns" by Dos Gringos. They are F-16 pilots and I feel like it would be an awesome thing to watch! 😂

[@TJP443.]

My biggest fear fighthing the f16 is those invisible rounds, sPoOkY

[@akaashbhadra7329]

Just love your content ❤️❤️

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much

[@christobaliancantu7112]

I haven't gone to DCS yet. Just wondering....after you buy what aircraft you want, do you have to spend on missiles, bullets, gas, flares?

[@Hustler9g]

Ha thank God no because I'd be broke

[@happycanayjian1582]

“Very critical for flight”. 😂😂

[@iron_talon]

So a fight I am curious to see now is MiG-29 vs F-16, but in the MiG-29 trying to induce a vertical 2 circle to see if that causes enough energy problems to then force a one circle. My theory is the massive thrust to weight power of the MiG will let it help neutralize some of the F-16's incredible rate advantage

[@pro_gemer]

F-35 vs F-16 please

[@aurasphere121]

Yes

[@hamlinsondra]

They might as well have named it the "Constrictor."

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

I guess Pakistan Air force will be delighted to have access to this particular video for training purposes 😅

[@Olabruh]

growling, since the f16 cant really do one circle well, does that mean it's a horrible fox 2 fighter? I would like to see a video on this. I appreciate the content as always :D

[@Chef_PC]

Very poetic today.

[@Batch00]

Fucking love the F16, such a beautiful and capable aircraft. Wouldn't want one on my 6 tho

[@imdoobie80]

amazing fight. I still recommend you fly the F-4 Phantom against Mig-29, also what is the song you play at the end of the video? I'd really like to download it if it's available.

[@Capt_OscarMike]

I'm expecting a video sooner than later with a battle between a Viper, an Strike Eagle or a F-22 vs a SOPWITH CAMEL Eddie Rickenbacker Style!!!

[@paulnield1837]

P-38 vs A-10 would be an awesome fight

[@AgentX308]

Day 10500 of asking Growling sidewinder for F-35 vs wright brothers plane

[@BaseSerpentMessmer]

Lol

[@heathb4319]

If there is 1 thing to take from this vid... Never get in a dog fight with Growling Sidewinder ;)

[@BlackFoxFalcon]

I actually wondered what kind of fighter would be a major threat to him. What I reckon is someone who is an absolute marksman with the cannon. Someone who could pull off a 4000 foot, high aspect gun shot and hit. A long range gunner so to speak. Several folks tried it with him. The Flanker aswell. But they pretty much always miss. But basically a very well trained and experienced gunfighter. That guy, at least that`s what I think, would be more than capabale of taking him down in a dogfight.

[@GM-fh5jp]

Disclaimer: Many Russian fanboy's feelings were hurt in the making of this video.

[@galvaniclegend917]

Hey GS! That kill at the end of round 2 was cleannnn. Looked a bit close tho, and then you talk about pulling him into the HUD and if you miss you’ve made a mistake. I’d like to see what you would’ve done if you had missed that shot, how would you have tried to recover your position? I know myself have gone for those risky shots and missed and it was my end. Great videos as always man!

[@joeyprince7531]

How about a video where you alternate between the two aircraft each round.

[@WilliamJones-ru9xd]

Great lessons learned.

[@csjrogerson2377]

All well and good having a great dogfighter, but first...

[@markusburkhard5712]

Thanks!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very much

[@markusburkhard5712]

@@GrowlingSidewinder You Sir are a living legend when it comes to dogfighting, thanks for teaching us! And your honest satisfied giggle after a well deserved kill is delightful to witness 😀

[@julians7268]

Ouch. Round 4 was a pimp slap.

[@subpilot1000]

Devastaaaaaating!🤩

[@DChrls]

The good ol' rake fight. 🤪😂

[@koredalin]

I would like to see you Growling in the same fight, but in the other airplain.

[@GentiluomoStraniero]

GS:if he dies, he dies.

[@zero-kc8ym]

I would like to see a high altitude dog fight it would be a cool setting

[@zyoungson215]

Interesting you say the F16 will beat almost everything in 2 circle. I heard from an interview with a Eurofighter pilot all they have to do is go full stick back and eventually they will kill an F16. Only Jet they have any trouble with in WVR is the F22.

[@colinmarshall6634]

Would love to see some F-16 SEAD missions

[@thegoldentrashbag10]

The viper must be very good at splitting the throttles