Unvaulting the Original PAYDAY 2 (2013 ver.)

[@GameRevo]

The thumbnail of this video has two references in it! Can you guess what they are?

[@Bolt_BDA]

One of them looks like a click movie reference

[@NoMoreBots]

Groundhog Day and click

[@GameRevo]

@@Bolt_BDA Yup, Click is one of them!

[@GameRevo]

@@NoMoreBots That's it exactly, congrats

[@burgeridiot]

the other one is space: a 2001 odyssey if im not wrong

[@AzuriteCoast]

I miss these days, back when a single Dozer was as frightening as a Tank on Realism in L4D2.

[@decriper1097]

true

[@ExtraPrivatable]

You should see the dozers in PD:TH

[@zackast79]

Well yeah same if u have got payday2 on xbox 360 and ps 3 u dont have powerfull guns and when u see a dozer even the green basic one is hard to kill without downing. But if 2 or 3 spawn well ur ded cus if one dozer is like scary then 3 will ruin ur heist

[@722lovemonkey]

I remember when i use to be the designated Dozer Killer with my Tech-Forcer Shotgun build on most lobbies. Now Shotguns are some of the worst options when dealing with Dozers and you can break their visors with a good enough pistol.

[@l3ftie578]

@@722lovemonkey amazing how the game has changed so much over time. Now I just start blasting away with pistols like you said

[@henrystickmin3460]

Console players : ah yes, the present was a good time.

[@mr.universe8253]

Ps3 player here, can confirm.

[@henrystickmin3460]

@@mr.universe8253 yeah.

[@thuropendragon7498]

Don't call me out like that man.

[@henrystickmin3460]

@@thuropendragon7498 we're all on the same boat man.

[@OriginalSuper]

I found my people

[@dorimeameno5514]

incredible how payday 2 got from a hard, somewhat realistic game to literal pew pew simulator lol

[@morpheusbutasasquirtle4431]

Ah yes the days when you could stealth a framing frame in full iron man gear

[@flamingfury7312]

So basically, This version was more like the original Payday: The Heist then current Payday 2

[@everythingpony]

​@@ValuableBlueberryyou ok bruh?

[@ValuableBlueberry]

@@everythingpony no i wasnt

[@DeezN464]

Cmon bro, Bain always said "Good thinking, that will delay their assault". Though I wouldn't blame you for thinking it was just flavor instead of a real thing

[@zcritten]

I mean Bain says "hostage rescue units are on their way" even though I don't think I've ever seen a hostage rescue unit in my life so I always assumed it was just like a way to make bain seem more involved

[@mattsterh7740]

he still says that today and doesnt do jack shit

[@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner]

@@zcritten There used to be unique Hostage Rescue Team cops that wore light, green colored armor and went in with MP5s. No idea why they got taken out, tbh

[@zcritten]

@@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner cause payday 2 wants to be an objective coop shooter RPG rather than a full on heist game, kinda hoping payday 3 finds a middle ground between the heist and 2

[@saunshilu]

I can't help but feel the same feelings when I tought about modern vs classic wow

[@TronoXD2]

In classic u don't need Body Bags

[@halolime117]

Absolutely

[@ValuableBlueberry]

​​​​@@TronoXD2 Body Bags on Word of Warcraft? dang when was that added?

[@pedrocc2624]

OG payday 2 also hadn't jump animations. Iremember when it was implemented and they made a new intro for the game, which they were jumping on the moon

[@ValuableBlueberry]

oh so thats why there is a achivment for jumping

[@TheGamerTronShow]

I'm overflowing with Payday 2 nostalgia now. Memories of when me and the boys would cause all sorts of mischief. Good game! Good times! 😁

[@RunsWithKniefs]

I remember me and my 3 friends actually dedicated majority of our points into 1 tree. So stealth attempts for 3 of us were standing around waiting for the Ghost player to either succeed or more commonly, just get things in place to give the drill the whole control+anticipation time.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

tbh co-op stealth is still like that. 4 people trying to stealth around is 4x the chance of someone making a mistake or getting spotted. pretty sure desynch isn't completely fixed either. 1 guy stealths, the rest move bags

[@adamt5846]

Entry point

[@Brodie3K]

It was so odd to me that they kept going: "How do we make this heist to where they won't keep running it?" and not: "How do we improve the other heists?"

[@utheemmely271]

no moni

[@bonechovah]

I went back and played the older versions like you two did roughly two years ago because of this video and fell in love. i'm now creating an ttrpg based around old ass payday as my first *real* game developer project. uh thanks for potentially kickstarting my game dev career lol.

[@Snypor]

I do miss visiting the old Bodhi's Laundromat Safehouse for nostalgia's sake, as crummy as it looked. Safe House Nightmare doesn't really have the same feeling.

[@GameRevo]

Yeah, the new one doesn't really deliver on that 'secret base' aspect - particularly because it keeps getting raided!

[@GameRevo]

I'm honestly in awe that I put a typo in the title of this video and weeks later I still hadn't noticed it. I'm keeping it like that. It's a reminder of how monumentally thick I can be at times. EDIT: Changed my mind - it was funny while it lasted, but it's having an adverse effect on SEO. RIP 'Unvaulating'

[@GameRevo]

@@Tyrin118 Monumentally ;)

[@BeardGrizzly]

It's part of your charm :)

[@TCHiOBi]

i thought it was intended, i blame TheGamerTronShow, meanwhile, can you link the steam page where you found the guide? can't seem to find it

[@GameRevo]

@@TCHiOBi steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=892936753 Here you go!

[@TCHiOBi]

@@GameRevo thank you, did not know about this, will have some fun with it for sure, also the song you guys made in mid video is awesome

[@loganreed23]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the "grabbing-bags-through-walls" meta! Ah, back when on Watchdogs we throwed bags of coke backwards not forwards to the exit so we could grab them more safely. Or how on Framing Frame you could stack all your gold near the bookcase and never open it again. Things were much more simpler back then. Farming Jewelery store for those Infamy masks, trying to cook all 7 bags of meth (this was a very tough challenge!), never running Big Oil because Pro Jobs were a thing and no one knew how to identify the right engine. And screenshots of old 1st day of Big Oil... Thank you for bringing back those memories!

[@sounghungi]

Yeah, all I remember from old Payday 2 was the strong grind. Like having to waste money to respec and only running with the starting AR-15 because I was too poor to buy anything else. Not to mention the money prize from random loot was a want back in those days. I do miss the grind because you don't get the same feeling of earning a large payday anymore but it was way too grind early on.

[@thetrashmann8140]

It's nice to see Diesel not at its breaking point and struggling with how much content is in Payday 2 also to be fair to the original base game they had 2 years to make it (2011-2013).

[@gemtownMANCHURIA]

the good old days,i hope payday 3 will try to be more like payday: the heist and 2013 payday 2

[@pchead54]

this didnt aged well

[@growen6474]

Why doesn't this have more views? This is so well made. Nicely done.

[@feisalabdel-qader3037]

Do you make your own subtitles? I adore those kinds of youtubers, but you can share the load. Turn community contributions for your videos on, and let us subtitle a bit.

[@GameRevo]

I usually subtitle scripted videos, but in the excitement of releasing this, I forgot! I will enable community contributions, and I encourage anyone to contribute if they wish. I appreciate it. Is there anything else I can do to make subtitling easier for people to do? Edit: Just realised I did include subtitles in this video, and that's what you were confirming. I can be truly dense, sometimes ;p

[@feisalabdel-qader3037]

Love you, Game Revo. Your feelings about the game are exactly mine, and you gave me some serious nostalgia. I might even boot up PD2 all because of you! You're a really underrated channel, and I hope you become successful. Edit: all you need to do is enable community contributions.

[@GameRevo]

@@feisalabdel-qader3037

[@sandwichpony8071]

Oh man I remember playing PD2 on my uncle's gaming PC simply due to the fact that the laptop I was using at the time was utter garbage and doing a solo bot match on bank heist was utter hell due to how hard it was to survive. Fast forward nearly a decade and I do my first actual match on my own gaming PC and it was unusually easier than I anticipated it to be.

[@ch-bd1mf]

Guest from TheGamerTronShow, great video!

[@Pyrofoxical]

days when payday was about heists, not about MyStIcAL lORe

[@LegoAlex99]

Came here from the most recent Payday video,as someone who has mostly been playing on the console versions for his entire life (only dabbled on PC for a bit before realising mine was too prehistoric and didn't wanna invest into that) this was a really special video wow I actually sucked ass back then lmao so I never really reached a point where I got comfortable in playing the big difficulties but this video hit home nonetheless Such a great introspective into how much this game has changed throughout the years with some truly hilarious bits like the Ukrainian Job part and some unexpectedly deep quotes near the end,I was shocked to see just how many subs you really had so here's to more in the future! You definitely got mine now :}

[@iEnjoyiVideos]

At the ten minute mark, I knew that I'd subscribe. The mad lad rapped about skill tree in a game over 8 years old. You can't get any better than this on KZbin LMAOOO. Solid video man!

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

If you want to go back to an old version that is actually good, I would recommend update 37 (Which is like the last true classic update as it was before Perk decks)

[@ruthlessxo99]

I'd love to go back to that update. I just don't know how to do it :(

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

@@ruthlessxo99 There is an easy guide on steam about how to download it and make it run. You can even still play online if you have other people running the same update build.

[@GameRevo]

This is a good call. Will keep this in mind for the future, thanks! Is Update 37 the last one before Crimefest?

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

@@GameRevo Kind of, there is 37.1 but that only added 2 masks before 38 which was crimefest that year.

[@counterfeit1148]

I only played it for a day, I can't compare it to other older versions, but it is fun so far

[@starkiller6856]

I remember back then when you could just take all the guards hostage on framing frame

[@enobekuJ]

2021 still rocking Payday 2 on a PS3. Pretty much the same as 2014 Payday 2.

[@MoMo-lr8hg]

So many memories on the xbox 360. Now that I'm on Pc, the game is obviously much better, but it's missing that old feeling. Maybe it's just nostalgia. Great video btw.

[@GameRevo]

Thanks! I would agree with you there - PD2 doesn't really feel the same anymore. I'd chalk it up to prioritising one-man-armies over cooperation, but really there's a number of things that could be pointed to. The good news is, the 'new' PAYDAY 2 is still excellent!

[@simoneconti1733]

I believe that the huge grind is actually quite fun and it was supposed to be like the one in Killing Floor 1: you need tens of hours to get to max level because that was supposed to be the "early game" where you have fun with the game without being able to experiment too much because you are still learning the beginner to decent player stuff. Once you get to 100 it becomes a game of beating every single heist, getting achievements and expanding builds. What I mean is that you basically "beat" the game twice (or at least that was always what I felt while playing) : the first time when you get to level 100, the second time when you are capable of beating anything you want at any difficulty.

[@miweneia]

Just a quick PSA: If anyone wants to play a version of payday that is more like the original, yet has a lot of its modern aspects - check out the Restoration mod, it has a complete overhaul which completely changes up the way you have to play and is actually really neat and feels a lot like old payday at first.

[@Demagogines]

Jesus What a ride it was all these years. I seriously feel old now. Yesterday I duoed the "No Mercy" heist In true One Down difficulty together with my little brother. And it gave us the same excitement we felt back then in the early days, when the jobs where hard as bricks. The excitement after an hour of just hanging on by a threat and finally reaching the end. Damn.

[@Nothingforever192]

Took me back to when my friend told us about this game. We had to run a bank heist gold pro job to prove if we could stealth or not. So many good times and heists we had, and here’s to many more for years to come. Hope Payday 3 finds a nice blend of realism and craziness.

[@danteinpuro319]

There's a mod that brings the old days of Payday 2 to the new generation, I think it's called the "original payday" mod

[@counterfeit1148]

The only mod with that kind of name that I could find is "Original Pack Overhaul Mod"

[@rkhale02]

TBH i like this old style more than what we have now. It made your team mates more valuable and the enemies were more challenging. There is definitely a balance here.

[@GameRevo]

Thanks for watching! I'm very happy with how this came out, and I hope you enjoyed it too! I don't usually ask this, but if you could share this around on any social media pages you think would enjoy this (if you think it'd be worth sharing), I'd seriously appreciate that. It doesn't even need to be something like Reddit/Twitter/etc, even showing it to a friend helps me out a huge amount. Also I noticed that visiblity and noise also benefit from being lower, much like recoil. It's a mistake I shall take with me to the grave.

[@lukeirot]

all reasons why when Bo left I wasn't worried about paydays future.

[@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd]

this makes me want to grab the crew and play the pre Crime fest 2015 version.

[@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd]

i would pay money if someone out there could make a mod for early 2015 payday, with all the quality of life changes, and maps the game had after that, less desync, better bots, etc

[@ruthlessxo99]

I did go back to the Pre-Crimefest 2015 version thanks to a cool guide on Steam and it was so amazing! I loved it but my friends wanted to go back to normal Payday 2 so I was left with no players :(

[@counterfeit1148]

@@ruthlessxo99 None of my friends want to play the old version, too

[@thuropendragon7498]

Meanwhile, some of us poor people are still playing 2013 on the PS3.

[@enobekuJ]

Same man

[@felkrosis8703]

Same man

[@benjaminrojas9647]

I still playing payday 2 on ps3 just for fun

[@esco5593]

I'm surprised this isn't said more often, but gun sounds were a lot more realistic. They echo was way more noticeable and it made the guns feel so powerful. That was one of my favorite parts about old Payday 2, and I'm not sure when they changed it, but gunshots don't echo as much as they used to

[@helios7771]

This filled me with nostalgia, made me happy in these dark days. Thank you so much!

[@GameRevo]

Aw, I'm glad to hear it. Fingers crossed PAYDAY 3 secures a publisher, and the new game can give us that feeling in a few years' time.

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

I begun playing Payday 2 in 2014 when the free ester week was. I wish i could replay that

[@TronoXD2]

Me having a PS3 with 2013 edition: ._.XD

[@zedxcu]

16:39 I only just now realized the hours I've put into this game to not even notice the saw's noise for the entirety of those clips until you mentioned it...

[@brylyth6029]

What dozers have to say about payday! Then: I'm gonna mess you up! Now: Holy shit! Aughhh!

[@sokolov49]

The defensive playstyle definetely was more engaging than today's mindless aggressive cop searching and killing just to get your kill skills activated since you actually had to come up with tactics on where to go, where to defend, and which corners to constantly keep track of. Also to add to your commentary about Simon Viklund and the appreciation for the soundtrack, he also has helped with the sound design of the game, so in the older version you were able to get the Heat-like reverb/echo effects in gunfights, where you were able to hear the echo of your voice, gun noise bouncing off buildings and overall very loud gunshots indoors. Viklund now works on sound design and music pieces in GTFO alongside other OG Overkill developers that have left the team and PAYDAY when it has begun its slippery slope in late 2015. There are also mods to achieve the original playstyle / feeling of the game like "Original Pack" and "Classic Heisting" please don't download Restoration Mod, it does not restore the game to it's original / alpha state (not fully at least) and it is just a re-named "SC's Mod"

[@e3nethan910]

Yeah, PD2 today is just starting to feel more and more like your generic action shooter game, only with the heist and thieving themes stuck somewhere in between. I mean, with all these new enemies, I often ask myself the question : how long till we're gonna be fighting Superman in this game?

[@TheSultan1470]

@@e3nethan910 why not

[@Crome_RatGB]

When's the mix tape dropping

[@GameRevo]

Not sure. Gotta amp up my skill before I drop anything on the scene, you know? ;)

[@frostywolf8670]

I honestly liked the more hardcore grind of og payday I enjoyed the less people running around at Mach 5 with dual fire shotties and more tactically fought and it felt more realistic

[@juanescobarrojas8330]

Holy shit that rap portion was so fire it ran the risk of overheating my phone.

[@HellaKaiser]

My favourite part of old payday was the fact that submitted cops didn't trigger the pager request and they were ignored by other guards. So heavy armour, big guns, high intimidation and shouting "HANDS UP" was the best way to do stealth

[@dream_killer-cc3vr]

You could only dominate 1 person

[@brylyth6029]

I like heists like day 2 of Big Oil where you (hypothetically, anyways :/) benefit from stealthing part of it, but invariably need to deal with a loud segment.

[@theunbanned4553]

After 2 videos watching of you that I both liked, you earned my subscription. Without begging for it like almost all KZbinrs. Great videos, I'm checking some more soon!

[@colecarstarphen8226]

I just realized the roblox recreation of payday 2 uses the 2013 build

[@gimlischimney7066]

I absolutely do not miss paying to respec

[@todorikowo]

I still playing this version on my XBOX 360, i im happy, a lot.

[@enobekuJ]

Same but i play on PS3

[@Sleeveusalone]

@@enobekuJ same

[@bluferian9074]

I play on xbox too

[@Tofu501st]

Eminem been real quiet after that rap dropped.

[@adrianosiciliano]

the skill which changes the game is Pistol messiah cus you can self revive 3 times

[@NorthEevee]

Can I just say that I appreciate the Poké-rap in the middle of the video? Must have taken some time to get everything to rhyme.

[@matt4048]

My uncle is a well-known rap artist (not A-list celebrity, but if you're really into 90's rap you've probably heard of him), I showed him your bit there and he actually thought the rhyming was very good. So yeah. Nice job!

[@GoblinSatyr]

Cap.

[@ethangonzales9510]

Of course Matt's father is a rapper

[@finnalychangedthename]

as a new player , the way you discrived the old game seems preety similar to the curent game.

[@megamitchel100]

Once health regeneration became a thing, the difficulty changed forever. The biggest ways you die in modern are OP damage that one or two shot you to death or else you’ll stay alive, while modern is making as few mistakes over a longer period of time. Mistakes in modern payday either result in death or hiding around for a few moments while mistakes in the older days result in missing health that you 100% won’t get back. You can make a gamble once, but not twice.

[@kitkat2849-b3h]

did I just find an underrated youtuber?

[@spiderjerusalem8284]

Back when it was -Cops +Damage... I miss it so much.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

I actually like the horde shooter style- if I wanted more tactical shooting team based stuff, Payday: The Heist is still there in my Steam library

[@deceptivelight9399]

As someone who cant play fresh payday 2 and is stuck with the 2013 version until my pc is set up I can tell you Inspire doesn't work very well takes a few shouts to work, pistol messiah is your savior, shotguns are the only viable weapons on overkill, berserker aced is a must, and don't even bother specing in for iron man because the "armor boosts" you get for equipping higher tier armor is nothing they still get knocked down in the same number of shots which is why I find myself using the ballistic vest for movement speed, always run jokers and I suggest running the 126 double barrel primary and bronco secondary for pistol messiah, spec into loot bag skills and running skills and overkill becomes light work on old payday 2.

[@bodhimeme9982]

same but with an xbox 360 because i can't afford shit but boots and coats.

[@mats9775]

Hope Starbreeze go back to focus more on this approach in Payday 3. Hardcore team-based play with limited selections and assets. Not 10000 weapons, characters and skills.

[@mats9775]

WarriorKeens Exactly

[@KetunpesanPelailut]

aaah.. This nostalgia feeling of old Payday

[@R0dx457]

Now in 2021 a level 0 player can equip an RPG as a secondary weapon

[@ashfox7498]

The thing I miss most of all is making all three classes have distinct purposes. Good classes in Payday 2 as it stands are classes that could do everything on their own if they had to.

[@counterfeit1148]

I agree

[@GaussiArson]

God, I remember before I bought PD2 and only had the demo. This is the same version I believe

[@dream_killer-cc3vr]

The demo was the 2014 version

[@adrianosiciliano]

i personaly belive 2013 -14 to be the sweet spot for clasic payday . You get the origanal vision of the game but you get a lot of quality of life improvments. The way i know all of that is that i play the ps3 version

[@kilzial2204]

25:06 That perfect sync of "Place" between Revo and Bane.

[@firockfinion3326]

I actually really didn't like Payday 2 (or it might've been the first one? I don't even remember) when it first came out, but the changes you describe make me interested in maybe giving it another chance some day.

[@GameRevo]

It's really fun! Though I would recommend picking it up with some friends if you can. The difficulty curve at the start is definitely a barrier to entry, but it's greatly offset by having teammates. It gets really cheap on sale, might be a good opportunity to try it with some friends.

[@GatsuRage]

6:24 I do remember this... it used to require proper preparation and class requirement to beat or make missions more enjoyable/POSSIBLE to beat (specially in deathwish difficulties) it saddest me seeing the game on it's current state, while they finally added more infamy levels I gotta say is a bit too late for it specially when rewards for infamy are so lame and totally not worth doing. Add on top of that the shameful dlcs that they keep popping up and charging for it after they said they wouldn't do it after a certain point in it's life cycle promising they would focus on the next installment of the game (which even tho they recently "confirmed" being working on PD3 at this point in time would u care or even believe them?) I get they had 2 major flops with their "recent" games but that's only on them for poor management and direction. They had a lot of money and they wasted it and now they keep exploiting it's fan base just cos THEY fuck up... and we got to support them because they promised PD3 in the future? pfffff. Honestly EVERYONE should load up older payday versions and stop playing it's current version and buying their shitty reskins dlcs.

[@TheSultan1470]

No

[@utheemmely271]

Didnt ask, dont care

[@GatsuRage]

@@utheemmely271 and yet you reply. Thanks for reading LUL.

[@BenersantheBread]

22:30 The most relatable part of the video for me. I preordered the (Yes, I know, bad) game and never stopped playing for long. I still wish there was a separate slider for Bain for the menus. I never even grinded Ukrainian Job like other people did and I *still* hated that fucking line.

[@DeViL11019]

I remember the experience of joining a random lobby of cook off, pissing my pants from hearing the skull dozer charging up the stairs.

[@tazamane9705]

Salem's guide sadly doesn't work anymore. However, there is a new one that makes use of a third-party tool which still works.

[@MrJinxmaster1]

15:22 oh wow, I forgot about the rats d1 god spot

[@michaelwinkless3636]

Awesome video and now I'm a sub

[@GameRevo]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@michaelwinkless3636]

@@GameRevo going to go back and watch the old videos too

[@missingindy]

Fun fact: in the early beta of payday 2, Dallas had a Texan accent

[@Kono_Dio-Da]

Yeah, the original VA wasn't available at the time, so they used a different guy

[@kawaka4432]

such a great video, i play this version on xbox 360 for years and i enjoy everytime, i didn't know how great the pc version was, now today i look to the past with good old memories and remember the fun i have

[@CallofFreaky]

15:22 Rust when medics: Fuck me!

[@hjku1129]

Payday 3 has to follow Payday the heist and payday 2 old ver.

[@SirElyk]

This is a great video!

[@s.hitman]

"your opinion my choice" -The Original Payday 2 Dev and Community Experience

[@shadow105720]

Me playing at launch: 3 skulls too many even with a full party Me playing now: full health with dodge joker build soloing entire maps on mayhem.

[@collinslack52]

Used to mod my brother and I's save file on ps3 via usb to give max points, a bunch of attachments, and masks. We would run people too 100 doing Firestarter and watchdogs. So much fun and great memories.

[@skippy7477]

Wait did you guys play 1.00 because the skulls weren’t there on the paygrade it was just gold stars and the first vest was unlocked at level 13

[@PizzaHeister]

Poggies, salem getting the shoutout he deserves

[@millionchic18]

good and interesting video gj man

[@RB-83]

So basically it's a step or two below console?

[@nickflig]

In regards to being seen at 16:00 In older PAYDAY 2, stealth worked on line-of-sight for only the host, whereas nowadays it's line-of-sight for hosts and clients. Back then, if you were a client, it was about whether enemies saw your player model. Since your point of view in PAYDAY 2 is planted firmly in your own chest, that means you'd get spotted because enemies could see your head - but from your point of view you were in cover and shouldn't be sticking out vertically, even though you are. Silly jank :P

[@buwongapatuhmen6173]

2:01 is that in steam? How i can find that?

[@NoiseFlippin]

It also looks like the odds of "Wanted Dead Or Alive" are very slim, just reached level 50 and heard it for the first time

[@theastroguy7417]

Soo, now i am a drunken man wielding a golden spoon that sets people on fire

[@gimlischimney7066]

Guys the pot plant on harvest and trustee go crouch under it

[@didjo6047]

This is sooo nostalgic! amazing

[@Legorunner]

Life before the medic must've been amazing...

[@BigPaPaRu]

Me jumping back into payday after 7 years - wtf is a first aid kit lol

[@mattsterh7740]

try the demo. its very much the same except they cap you at like level 15

[@ClawQuake]

I miss cat burglar, jumping off of rooftops was kinda fun.

[@MegaFooby]

I remember back in those days how OP dodge was...and how much I got yelled at for bringing light armour to loud