"Unwinnable War"? Calls Grow for Negotiated End to Ukraine War

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[@omarno99]

This guy seems to live on another planet, with all do respect

[@rambleon2838]

Both Putlin appeasers Vlad and Wolfgang.

[@rka-truthalwayswins5127]

Maybe not.. But he sure sounds traumatized of the consequences he may face from the "cancel" mafia!!

[@Azrudi]

perhaps another island off the coast of France

[@louise_rose]

I've been saying this for a long time now: the US wants to show it can buy the palm of victory for bankrupt Ukraine by pumping in support but without sending any of its own troops or regular units to the front. It's a demonstration of power (also): "my friends always win because they are my friends". But actually giving Kiev the kind of victory it demands would be prohibitively expensive for the US and NATO, and they didn't count on that. They had never prepared and stocked up for a long, large-scale land-and-trenches artillery war in Europe, and they can't run up past Russia on this.

[@susan638]

🌎 The earth is flat! Just testing to see if the fact checking bots understand sarcasm.

[@spaceoddity2485]

I can’t believe that you have this guy on your show. He doesn’t need seem to know much about anything

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

He seemed pretty certain Putin wants to be the new Catherine 2 though 😂

[@asnark7115]

Which guy? Milley is living in fantasyland and the second guest is generally grounded.

[@bluemarlin9110]

That is democracy now for you. It has become an echo chamber for mainstream media.

[@selassietetevie4966]

Neither can I,no references to the broken promises of NATO

[@julienjeanmuller]

For real bro, it was painful to listen to his bigoted eurocentric self. He didn't say anything but western propaganda. I was excited when I heard the word "professor" and think that I would hear an intellectual and critical argument on the issue, but I was disappointed.

[@bruceelisha3017]

It doesn't seem to me that there is much chance of the humiliation of Russia your guest was talking about. That just doesn't seem like a likely scenario at all.

[@thewaxiest6660]

If Russia doesn't want to be humiliated they should take the L and leave.

[@tharnganbenedict24]

Only cowards does that. Russia can take damage and still win. You can read their history in doing that to Napoleon and Hitler. The more russia became autocratic, the more power it becomes. They lose when they have weak leaders like tsar Nicholas, Gorbachev and Yelstin.

[@timothyroach3057]

@@thewaxiest6660 They can't. Ukraine will be rearmed by the west and will always be a threat to the russian federation. Zelensky said that he wants nukes. The russ;ians can't allow this on their border. The ukrainian government must be removed, perhaps the entire country of ukraine must be broken up.

[@cyndis5501]

Where are the other 3 replies?

[@cyndis5501]

Censorship just silences but does not make different views not exist. They might not get seen but they are felt in spirit and do exist closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears can't stop them. This is not just a flesh and blood war. We need peace now.

[@lockbert99]

For the second guest: Merkel (Germany), Hollande (France) and Poroshenko (Ukraine) have all said in interviews in the last year that they had no intention that Minsk/Minsk 2 would be followed by Ukraine. They all say it was only done to buy time for Ukraine to get more arms and training from the USA.

[@thetortureneverstops]

It was Ruzzia who broke the treaties, however as Poroshenko knew they would.

[@claireh.7605]

Yes, and Russia killed the negotiators on their way home during Chechyan war. You can't expect Russia to abide by any agreement, so you would be a fool to follow it yourself, since in the first place, Russia should not be in Ukraine to begin with.

[@groomboek1978]

They knew that Russia would break the agreement so Ukraine needed to be prepared for Russian aggression. And they were completely right.

[@lockbert99]

@@thetortureneverstops Again, Poroshenko, Merkel, and Hollande all said they had no intention to follow Minsk/Minsk 2. They said it was only done to buy time for the USA. They didn't say that they would have followed it but Russia...

[@lockbert99]

@@claireh.7605 Minsk and Minsk 2 were negotiations about the civil war between the Donbas and the rest of Ukraine. The rest of Ukraine was losing both times they agreed to negotiate regarding the civil war. A civil war being fought because two days after a coup the Ukrainian government chose to remove a 2012 law making any language an official language in Ukraine if more than 10% of the people in an area spoke it as their primary language. This was typically goin to be Russian.

[@knightalexius593]

Zubok lives in the fantasy world of British media.

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

Pretty sure it’s similar across the West…

[@vgames6792]

he is just a propagandist, he knows, 50% who gave dislike know

[@yourenotyour5169]

I opposed the Iraq war. I am not a Saddam supporter. I opposed the war in Vietnam. I am not a Vietcong supporter. I oppose the war in Ukraine. I am not a Putin supporter. I'm just three steps ahead of most people.

[@erichooligan9329]

its nuts how people are either/or.

[@lkn1107]

The whole point India 🇮🇳 keep putting in front ……. which west ignore and dismiss.

[@StephenCarmona]

Same thing, being anti war doesn't make me a Putin lover. The unnecessary killing and suffering, the waste of money and soon we will be asked to pay for rebuilding their country.

[@ttrestle]

The problem here though, is that democracy now is basically saying that Ukraine just needs to deal with it, and make peace with Russia. They need to give up land to Russia, not have Russians held accountable for war crimes, give up Crimea, Etc. I’ve just been absolutely blown away at how democracy now and so many far left and far right Americans have gotten this conflict so wrong. Russia illegally invaded a democratic sovereign nation under false pretense. America did the same thing when we illegally invaded Iraq the second time under false pretense. And America is a democratic socialist republic, but democracy now and people like myself who are progressive independence were completely against this war. We knew it was America’s fault, but we also knew that Saddam was an authoritarian demagogue and dictator. He needed to be overthrown. But we knew that it wasn’t America’s job to illegally invade Iraq spend 1 trillion on the credit card, and lied to the American public about what the war was really about. So here we are now with Ukraine, and we have an authoritarian fascist, demagogue and dictator running Russia, who illegally invades Ukraine in a decade ago, kills, rapes, and tortures, Ukrainian civilians in the east, doesn’t have marked troops which is against the Geneva, convention, illegally steals, Crimea And then illegally invades on a massive scale a year ago, purposely targeting civilians with rape, killing and torture, committing mass of war, crimes, etc. The entire civilized world comes to their head and says no, we need a rules based world, where democratic, independent, and sovereign nations should be allowed to exist, and Aggressors who illegally invade under false pretense, should be battles by the entire world. But what does democracy now do this time? They say stop the war! We need to stop the war! Everyone is like yeah we do need to stop the war as Russia needs to leave, Russia needs to rebuild what they’ve destroyed, and Russia needs to give up people who committed war crimes. But democracy now is actually saying no, America and Europe need to stop giving money in arms, Ukraine actually needs to give up the land that has been stolen from them and just deal with the rape, killing and torture and destruction of their country. This is constantly what democracy now is saying to the listeners, and it absolutely blows my mind, and disgusts me on a deep level. I don’t know if it’s just that from the top down and democracy now the people don’t understand what they’re saying and just have gotten really dumb or if they actually have Russian military intelligence operatives who is infiltrated and worked there or what but at this point democracy now is basically reporting identically to Russian state, television fascist, authoritarian dictator propaganda. Democracy now sounds identical to Tucker Carlson on Fox News as these shows are telling Americans that Ukraine just needs to deal with it and why is the civilized world trying to help Ukraine and what is really bad about Russia anyway and on and on. I’m sorry but democracy now has permanently lost my respect, my support, and my donations. They have embarrass themselves on the world stage by either acting naïve, or poorly educated, or straight up propagandist machine for a fascist authoritarian Russian state. They should be ashamed of themselves. If someone illegally breaks into your home, kills members of your family, and decides to steal, a couple of your rooms in the house then you would fight back until they were out of your house. And if somebody was telling you, you just needed to be diplomatic about it and make peace then you would wonder what the hell that person was talking about. This is democracy now. we all want the war to end, but it will end when Russia leaves Ukraine that’s it. They illegally invaded, they are illegally, killing, raping, and torturing civilians and soldiers, they are bombing infrastructure that is mostly civilian, which is a war crime, they are targeting hospitals and power grid and water treatment facilities, which is a war crime, but People on the far left on the far right think that Ukraine should just make peace with Russia, and then the civilized world should stop supporting a democratic sovereign independent country who wants to join the rest of the civilized world. What is wrong with you people? What happened to you? You disgust me.

[@jimbaranski4687]

I don’t think the Ukrainian people have the choice of being anti-war. What is the anti-war plan for ending or better yet avoiding this war. Ukraine being a doormat for Russia is not a valid choice. It’s easy to be anti-war when it’s not your home that is being invaded!

[@krevetka9744]

"Zero evidence that Putin is ready to engage in negotiations". How about Lavrov saying they are ready for negotiations? How about Putin saying that? Meanwhile US officials say "It's not time to negotiate" and Zelensky passes a decree making it illegal to negotiate. Guys, wake up.

[@WilkinsMichael]

Can you give us the details of the Russian peace plan?

[@krevetka9744]

@@WilkinsMichael Minsk 1 and 2: 1. To ensure an immediate bilateral ceasefire. 2. To ensure the monitoring and verification of the ceasefire by the OSCE. 3. Decentralisation of power, including through the adoption of the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts". 4. To ensure the permanent monitoring of the Ukrainian-Russian border and verification by the OSCE with the creation of security zones in the border regions of Ukraine and the Russian Federation. 5. Immediate release of all hostages and illegally detained persons. 6. A law preventing the prosecution and punishment of people in connection with the events that have taken place in some areas of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts. 7. To continue the inclusive national dialogue. 8. To take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Donbas. 9. To ensure early local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts". 10. To withdraw illegal armed groups and military equipment as well as fighters and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine. 11. To adopt a programme of economic recovery and reconstruction for the Donbas region. 12. To provide personal security for participants in the consultations. Authorities of Germany, Ukraine and France already publicly admitted they were never serious about implementing Minsk agreements, but were buying time to arm Ukraine against Russia. Istanbul peace talks. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in the end of March 2022 said peace talks in Istanbul had given "meaningful impetus" to efforts to end the war in Ukraine. Zelensky was also positive about their mutual efforts. Right after that prime minister of UK Boris Johnson visited Zelensky. The conversation was never made public. But after that Zelensky completely denied all further negotiations. Elon Musk proposed a peace plan to end this conflict. Both Kyiv and Kremlin were against this plan, but the difference is: Zelensky shouted at Elon and said he is pro-Kremlin in a quite rude way. Meanwhile, Russian authorities said that they value any attempts to seek diplomatic solution. My own peace plan mirrors Putin's recent question. Why can't we all implement ceasefire unconditionally? Just as a temporary solution. To stop the killing, evacuate civilians, provide humanitarian aid to those in need. Both sides think they are on the right side of history. Then why fight? Let's present points, discuss them together and provide all the necessary evidence. Then let neutral observers decide who is right and who is wrong.

[@familyshare3724]

At this point, Russia has the upper hand, and rapidly gaining, so perhaps "all of the west up to the river". But months ago only "Crimea and independence"

[@krevetka9744]

@@familyshare3724 Sorry, I did not quite get what you said. No sarcasm or anything, I actually did not understand. Can you rephrase? What does "all of the west up to the river" and "Crimea and independance" mean in the context?

[@obstreperous1113]

@@familyshare3724 Not hardly, they've spent months, many lives, and hard to replace equipment to advance their lines approximately thirty kilometers at Bahkmut, for instance. At that rate, gonna take a looong time to get to your river. You need to zoom out on your map and see how paltry their gains have been so far, in comparison to the land given up in the Ukrainian offensives last year.

[@d4sp1d3r]

We all live in a world of wishful thinking now.

[@NONANTI]

2023 the year to make delusions reality - Fleccas.

[@louise_rose]

Many of the powers and leaders around this war are playing with marked cards and hidden motives. NATO countries especially.

[@susan638]

These comments are rigged. Even if I compliment Amy and her usual great reporting, the fact checkers stop me. WTF?

[@marcomoreno6748]

​@@susan638wdym?

[@ac7205]

Whoever is responsible for the destruction of the pipeline should be excused from any further assistance, influence or negotiation in this conflict as a last concession.

[@Appalxhian]

Lol will never happen.

[@davidwest2240]

The United States is responsible is responsible for that and they're not going to sanction themselves

[@darryl5372]

@@Appalxhian Nope

[@pimpchimp2449]

*cough* navy seals *cough*

[@sawluke]

LMAO. You're more concerned with Russia gas and oil than Ukrainians losing their lives and country? Hahahahhaa....I'm glad it was blown up.

[@nonuser1532]

Only when they are done laundering as much money as they can.

[@Whatis2468]

Of course!! 😁😁

[@donaldkasper8346]

Ukraine used to be part of Russia, what do you expect, the clean noncorrupt administration? That takes a generation to turn the corner.

[@ruslankbr5243]

Professor is not quite adequate as I think, especially as for Crimea, because Crimea is very important for Russia not only for Putin

[@effexon]

@@ruslankbr5243 is there legit reason other than russia is used to having naval base there like US has in gitmo... ie stubborness to not change your ways, "traditonal ways" hundreds of years ago... russia has plenty of shoreline and other ports in black sea.

[@ruslankbr5243]

@@effexon I would say for Russia to give naval base in Sevastopol to NATO is the same shame and loss if USA would lost Pearl Harbour to Chinese. Just Google Sevastopol history.

[@Frank-hn3vf]

Imagine if they negotiated it first instead of leveling the area and causing trillions in damages.

[@rakieletters]

They did. Z refused

[@dguy321]

Imagine if the Russians just stayed in their own frigging country.

[@WeAreItt]

@@dguy321 Imagine if the US wasn’t pushing imperialism Maybe the rest of the world can not live in fear Just a thought

[@rakieletters]

@@dguy321 imagine nato just stayed away:/

[@jimcarrington6744]

​@@rakieletters Imagine you had a brain that you actually used before trying to influence.

[@jazzmann1984]

Why would a country which is winning admit defeat and negotiate from a position that does not exist? Ukraine is being obliterated. If there is any negotiation, Ukraine is the one that needs to negotiate to Russia and the US should be kept completely out of it.

[@icemike1]

Capitulate unconditional surrender for Ukraine

[@melbernstein6686]

I agree. This fella doesn’t quite have a grasp on reality.

[@bertrandruskin3406]

Dapper Dan, you're right. Zubok said he's not a military expert. I think that says it all. Some professors should just keep to books. He must get his views from the western MSM.

[@jazzmann1984]

@Bertrand Ruskin that's why they brought him on. One doesn't need to be a military expert. One only has to look at all sides. When children fight a good parent won't just accept one child's story. They get both sides and then piece both sides to form a truth.

[@maryanchabursky9148]

Ukraine will not negotiate with the facist ruSSian invaders. There is no point in negotiating with the same country that broke the Budapest memorandum, and broke the Minsk 2 agreement. ruSSia started this war and now we have no choice but to finish it.

[@willengel2458]

the moment Russia turned the table on US, demand buyers pay in Rubles for its exports, Russia is in "No lose" position.

[@vallee7966]

Or they face not being paid at all. Then their much needed exports stop.

[@thorinbane]

@@vallee7966 Do you have a clue that 80 percent of the world is neutral on this and still buying Russian exports. The other 20 percent are still buying it through third party India. India buys the Russian oil discounted, mixes with other oil and sells at world prices. So the USA and UK the most bellicose of the belligerents are still buying Russian oil, just with a new label slapped on it saying India.

[@vgames6792]

@@vallee7966 But this is of course only happening in your wet dreams. Stop watching cnn, msnbc for a week, and you will definitely find out what is going on, as the FACTS are everywhere

[@ClownCarCoup]

lol no one wants Rubles. China buys Russian energy in Yuan, not ruble. Russia has been able to trade in gold now to get around sanctions.

[@vladoparenzan3344]

@@vallee7966 Trade between Russia and China has increased 30% in 12 months Russia is winning economic war hands down the ruble never turned into rubble what Baiden and his thiefs expected

[@ahenstew8586]

Zubok should stop saying that Russia committed atrocities. The Ukrainians committed atrocities and they started in 2014. Secondly, many atrocities accused towards Russia are incorrect and just based on statements.

[@dennismorris405]

When the information in in the hands and control of bias and political people we the masses of people r doomed

[@Winter_Jasmine]

No to War No to NATO End US hegemony

[@lockbert99]

In March of 2022 Ukraine and Russia were in negotiations in Istanbul (not disputed) and making progress. But the USA and UK drove Ukraine from the negotiations (not reported by corporate press but Fiona Hill and a co-author did so in Foreign Affairs magazine). Boris Johnson even made a trip to Kyiv to personally convince Zelensky to not negotiate. But the neocons engage in projection, so we hear from a top neocon of today, Antony Blinken, that he has seen no signs that Russia is ready to negotiate.

[@APT4308]

Ruzzia bombings and Bucha massacre put the s to negotiations with terroruzzia

[@lockbert99]

@@APT4308 Russia called for UN investigation of Bucha. UK blocked it twice. One thing that has come out is that most of the people who died in Bucha were killed by artillery shells.

[@APT4308]

@@lockbert99 flat out lie. Oh by the way, comrade, your paycheck came in do you want it in rubles or picked herring?

[@lockbert99]

@@APT4308 What is a lie?

[@beachboy13600]

I was a translator there and all the two countries wanted to find was peace.

[@wiolettapagowski5590]

These wars are not meant to be won but perpetual.

[@mikek9297]

No. This one is very much ment to be won. And it nly ends when russia is unable to attack again. Any other resolution is just a pause before inevitable repetition of this destructive horror.

[@jonathonletts8972]

Pro American apologist. Bush took all of iraq and its oil..where was your outrage during bazra carpet bombing?

[@HalfBreedCreations]

They want to negotiate now because they are losing

[@junk_rig_sailor1698]

Sorry, who do you think is losing?

[@petar4002]

​@@junk_rig_sailor1698 Look at the map and maybe you will understand who is the loser.

[@junk_rig_sailor1698]

​@@petar4002 Look up the meaning of 'rhetorical'. Ukraine is losing and will lose.

[@cosmopessoa7195]

yes in order to do a reset, (rearm) fool me once, like the Minsk accord. Clean up the place Russia, or you will have no peace. Barbarians at your gates

[@maryanchabursky9148]

@@junk_rig_sailor1698 nah Ukraine will win

[@adriaanluijk3562]

un and osce neutral? i am not so sure about that

[@earlgrey9329]

Exactly ! Listen to the latvian guy at the osce meeting, he is totally biased ! UN did not even want to listen to Russia , but walked out ! These people are sooo arrogant !

[@adamhartley3482]

UN is definitely not neutral.

[@mattdwightbeheler4766]

NO NATO is not neutral they're the ones that's been pushing this all along they tried to set up base in Ukraine which is right on Russia's border. That's against the agreement that they signed to begin with. Any Nation would be against another Nation setting up missiles on their border especially if it's a country that has different goals and political ideologies.

[@glockdude5472]

They aren’t .. They pushed NATO right on Russia’s doorstep and then acted surprised when they got mad.

[@vallee7966]

Russia would not accept them as mediators

[@mohhass335]

What kind of stuff is Zubok consuming? Ha, un-winning war!

[@ketohero1780]

He has swallowed too much ecycled lies and propaganda from the MSM. A crap professor in reality.

[@tanl7756]

Blinken talked to Lavrov? Um, India demanded that they meet. They met for 10 minutes and said a lot of nothing.

[@jackgoff6043]

Why? Vietnam or Afghanistan was never negotiated.

[@petar4002]

Argentina, Serbia, Cyprus and so on.

[@donttellmejustlisten4598]

And atleast 15 more countries

[@ainokea911]

The United States politicians take pleasure in spending other peoples money.

[@Punande]

This unnecessary war is/has been a waste of money and lives .

[@mrbushlied7742]

As are all wars.

[@mpalfadel2008]

Your correct Putin should never have invaded Ukraine and the west will correct this injustice

[@gmw3083]

@@mpalfadel2008 the west is the problem and Russia has the solution

[@charlestidwell4970]

Putin disagrees with you and so do the Ukrainians. It is necessary for their freedom to be self-governing.

[@mpalfadel2008]

@@gmw3083 is the Russian solution to massacre their own troops with incompetent leadership and massed frontal assaults? That sounds like a Russian solution alright The Russian army used similar tactics in ww1 with disastrous consequences

[@SENILE_TYRANT]

Only when the "big guy" gets his 10%

[@AlexanderJohnLee]

slow joe gets $80k per month from Burisma, while people in east Palestine rot in a toxic wasteland... Yay democracy!

[@DayTukErrJawbs]

Bull. Go back to fox where they lied to you about the election for profit while you do nothing about it but clap 👏

[@lemontadams3029]

He went to Ukraine to negotiate for 15%

[@timbaldwin6283]

"None of this money goes towards Hunter OR his hookers. Not a joke." -- Potato Joe.

[@lemontadams3029]

@@mopthermopther 17.5% if he delivers the jets

[@marcobrother1955]

How this guy becomes a professor while I don’t understand what He says? 😂

[@jimcarrington6744]

democracy now has lost any relevance it had

[@CalculusProfessor]

He is in denial, there are number of clowns commenting on war, clueless, but they get media space.

[@jimcarrington6744]

@@CalculusProfessor very true, because (media) corporations are designed to make money, not to provide the truth You cannot negotiate with (war) criminals. Americans should learn to appreciate what they have, including their freedom. America should house their homeless who are disabled or elderly, whether they are also veterans, like me, or not. I'm living proof that Americans do not value their freedom properly.

[@jagp007]

Imagine Russia holding all US & UK assets to pay reparations to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen or Yugoslavia?

[@pikachux113]

Why not but its his become true santa exist..

[@delonthomas5049]

The world should realized what nato did to Libya cannot be done to Russia it will cost urkaine its country

[@rka-truthalwayswins5127]

Correct!!

[@RLogan-sl7xl]

Can’t we just send them more money, that should fix it?

[@KennyChu]

What money can do? Do what?

[@jvs333]

@R.Lofan love the sarcasm LOL

[@jvs333]

@MSD AKM he’s actually signed a hired contract with Blackrock, and Goldman Sachs. the Biden administration who have several Blackrock executives and Goldman Sachs executives in charge of the rebuilding Ukraine as a “privatized” state with military contracts with US MIC (which Blackrock has shares in every one). This is why Biden is willing to drag this war on so as much destruction is done in order to create a blank state to start from to build the perfect privatized US military state. There was a video on this on you tube but has since been removed that listed the names of all the people from Blackrock, Goldman Sachs and other large US corporations that were going to divide up Ukraine, with Zelenski standing to make billions

[@donnaroberts4309]

I'm telling you... Money FIXes it all... That's why when you don't have any, you're BROKE.😁🤔🤣

[@donnaroberts4309]

@@KennyChu it's a joke kenny chu...but in the asking, I'll tell you. It can be the difference between life and death on about 500 levels. Not to mention the difference between happiness and hell. Between power and pity. Shameful but true.

[@uchannel1197]

What about the US blowing Nordstream Pipeline

[@Romana6794]

Fair play... (If the US actually was responsible, which there's no evidence publicly available that indicates that's the case)

[@uchannel1197]

@@Romana6794 president gave assurance that Nordstream will no longer operate

[@Romana6794]

@@uchannel1197 Again... That's fair play. Russia has aggressively and illegally and without provocation decimated the infrastructure of the second largest country in Europe in a matter that has not been replicated since world war II, and indiscriminately bombed, shelled and attack civilian areas with full intent. Destroying a natural gas pipeline that bypasses Ukraine's transnational above ground pipelines to deliver natural gas to the German and rest of Western European energy markets.... In order for Ukraine to make significantly weaken Russia in this conflict by slamming in the door on the ever wavering German government's ability to in the future withdraw support for continuing Ukraine's resistance in order to get the spigots turned back on Nord steam and resume selling natural gas around Ukraine's traditional transnational natural gas pipeline infrastructure to Europe. It's the legitimate Target from a strategic point of view and, honestly the Russians have no ground to stand on when it comes to hostile acts of unwarranted destruction

[@bjpafa2293]

Rome Republic endured, empire felt with pain... 🇺🇸 Please, avoid, take care of American people who needs to be treated like actual citizens, including overworked immigration...

[@hikikomori_trader]

So, because no one followed the Minsk Agreements, and neither Germany nor France enforced them, we are back to the way things were prior to those 2014 agreements? I would like to see a discussion of Angela Merkels statement saying those agreements were only meant to delay and allow Ukraine to rebuild its military in order to withstand a future Russia offensive - since Russia had pretty much totally conquered Ukraine back in 2014.

[@channelavatar555]

Putler shouldn't invade Ukraine. Just tell him to withdraw all his troops.

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

There was such an interview in the Spiegel newspaper… it’s very hard to find an English translation for some reason 😒

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

Ooo no Die Zeit my bad

[@hikikomori_trader]

@@channelavatar555 Since 2014, when Crimea and the 4 regions (currently being protected by Putin) voted to become part of Russia, Ukrainian Nazis have been bombing and terrorizing those 4 regions. No one cared until Putin stepped in. The people who live in those regions are grateful to Putin. You can verify these facts easily.

[@erikjrn4080]

@@channelavatar555 Why not? Ukraine was in blatant violation of international law (the Minsk II was ratified by the UN Security Council, making it international law), and building up forces for further violating international law by invading Donetsk and Luhansk. You don't need to like the fact that international law prohibited him from sending in his Nazis, some of which were reinstated into the Ukrainian military, after having been convicted, in Ukrainian courts, of raping babies (I can link you the evidence videos, if you want to watch it). What you need to do, is recognize that Russia has more legal justification for their war, than the US has for any of its 7+ current wars. Telling the US to stop starving hundreds of thousands of Yemeni children to death doesn't seem to work. There's no reason to think that Russia will be more receptive to being told to stop their far more humane warfare. Btw, can you name the 7 wars that the US is currently engaged in? No? Well, you should look it up. P.S.: I forgot to compliment you! "Putler" makes you every bit as inventive as all other brainwashed NATO puppets! You're doing well, fitting into the death cult! Keep it up, champ!

[@corneliusrupert7354]

"The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war." - Julian Assange (2011)

[@redlipstickmafia]

🎯

[@rubym357]

Why do you trust a rapist who was paid by Trump to steal Hillary Clinton's emails to make her look as though she committed a crime? The NY FBI field office has been proven to be corrupt and on Trump's side. The only way Bernie or another social Democrat could get elected and change our economy to a mixed economic system is to impeach half of the SCOTUS, pack the courts, destroy Citizens United, codify Roe, investigate the GOP and corporate Dems for donation monies by corporations and force them into resignations, and develop a multiparty system. And outlaw Evangelicalism, the preachers must be prosecuted like frauds. Other countries have done it, and we refuse to. Ceding land to Putin is NOT democracy. I know you hate NATO, but the only way to have ANY cooperation between countries is to reduce our military. If China becomes the world #1 superpower, so be it. I'll remind you it was Nixon who went to China and a year later all the US factories began shuttering and the family salary for white males was cut. We only have ourselves to blame.

[@elsonck2523]

@@mp5591 In prison... for holding a bright spotlight on the disgusting war machine that is the US.

[@josephfigueira813]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🙉

[@jesusaguilar4585]

​@@mp5591 Traitor to who? He's not an American citizen.

[@stayhungry1503]

if i were russia at this point i wouldnt accept any terms other than unconditional surrender. they had their chance for peace talks last year but the US and UK told ukraine to stop the peace negotiations, which they did. i cant see why russia would trust a single word coming out of any westerns leaders mouth at this point.

[@swetoniuszkorda5737]

Dream on.

[@078249]

Europe would be trading with Russia today if the United States would get out of the way.

[@vgames6792]

and they will, puppetiering will end. USA will collapse same as soviet union did in 89

[@MrTomahawg]

We will again.

[@glenhopping3776]

Wolfgang seems to not understand the Russian position on Minks II stated in February 2015: Russian government spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia could not assist in the implementation of Minsk II because it was “not a participant” in the conflict. This reiterated by other Russian officials over the ensuing years.

[@tetianavarvynska2125]

people who have an opinion on this issue have a very short memory and don't remember such insignificant details.

[@vallee7966]

Ah but Russia was very much “a participant” in the conflict. We know this now, & we knew it then.

[@waiki8223]

Neither does Zubok...

[@pcsing2006]

@@waiki8223 Zubok is in a world of his own aka, 'blissfully and utterly ignorant'! How is he a professor is a mystery!🤣

[@ivydark9741]

Precisely that. The same way as NATO is not a participant.

[@ryanw6626]

It took $120 billion dollars before Amy decided to speak up about the unwinnable war. I wonder why?

[@kathycollett4318]

Bingo!

[@rpena0899]

Lolol wut?? DN has been talking about negotiating for months! You must not watch enough to form a valid opinion on the matter

[@bikboto-zx6my]

They wanted their cut of the laundered money

[@billyjoesmo8251]

The military-industrial corporate complex has many tentacles in many different directions including democracy now and right-wing groups.

[@sammoseh3899]

@@rpena0899 Greetings….I have watched in its entirety over the last several months,and to me they do a lot of “Flip/Flop and Flaking on the situation….They are quite Wobbly lol

[@rickferyok2462]

Wow, what a load Zubov handed out.

[@JohnnytheBikeGuySLC]

No negotiations. Ruzzia get out of someine elses sovereign country. Easy.

[@os3984]

Then make that happen and volunteer

[@TheChopf26]

There has to be negotiations.

[@eastwesteveryonelseewe6851]

How is this man a professor with so little knowledge?

[@paulheydarian1281]

Polonium poisoning perhaps.

[@ShortMediaClip]

Apparently he attended University of NATO military experts and he graduated in 2023.

[@scelonkwanyana3436]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ramonsantana686]

Is this what Democracy Now considers to be an expert, they must be having a laugh. This professor is nothing more and nothing less then a NATO and US shill and most likely a Russophobic. What a revision of reality in Ukraine. Democracy Now is scratching from the bottom of the barrel.

[@krumbleme2]

He's a propagandist

[@jantzfitzgerald6115]

Now that's Ukraine is broken someone wants peace ✌️.

[@virel206]

Yes promoting peace is the best move by everyone Peace for the people of the world ....

[@groomboek1978]

peace can be achieved easily: Russia respecting Ukraines borders

[@Slimedog1963]

Last September Zelensky signed a decree making it a criminal offense to negotiate with Russia as long as Putin is still President....so there will be no negotiations.

[@robertdavidson9674]

But we cannot forget the domino effect. If we don't stop Ukraine now the neo-con, NWO globalists will topple one country after another in their mad quest for world dominion.

[@groomboek1978]

@@robertdavidson9674 I will translate that for you: "IF Russia doesn't stop Ukraine from remaining a free country with beneficial economic relations to other free countries, other countries that are now controlled by Russia might get the idea they can be free too"

[@groomboek1978]

@@Slimedog1963 Putin has shown not to be trustworthy, so any agreement with him, will be broken by him again as soon as it is convenient for him to do so.

[@ricardomezamarroquin2073]

Hearing Zubok is like hearing a parrot !

[@morbidlyoppressed9038]

It’s not meant to be won. It’s meant to be continuous. War machine goes brrrrrrr

[@josephshields2922]

yep to transfer money from tax payers to the military industrial complex

[@quewalabear8575]

Hey! And putin being an ultra rich kleptocrat...I wonder if he is in on BOTH sides of the take?! Secretly partnered or invested with Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman while openly and THOROUGHLY geting paid from EVERY Russian arms manufacturer and war industry. He wins no matter what! No wonder he keeps his finances opaque. He probably really is the richest man in the world, and only getting richer.

[@jamespelgam4199]

@@josephshields2922 directly from tax payers to the Biden crime family and their constituents in Ukraine.

[@willengel2458]

when Biden visited Ukraine he handed Zelensky $500M and had Japan coughed up $50B. Uncle Sam is not in financial shape to keep the war going.

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

And bleed Russia, isolate Europe and China, strengthen NATO…

[@Herewatching]

Once someone start quoting CNN, you know it's time to change topic

[@StephenCarmona]

🎯

[@thetortureneverstops]

FOX should lose their license, just for starts.

[@johnwilliamsscuba6487]

The german chancellor said the minsk accord was only to buy time to arm ukraine period

[@mikek9297]

Is that why russia brooke it ? Is that why russia broke every single promise it ever made ? How can anyone negotiate with a party that doesn't ever keep their word ? There's only one way - from the position of power. That's why there cannot be any negotiations unless russia is beaten beyond any doubt.

[@Stephen-gi1rx]

@JohnWilliamsScuba: FYI, there were TWO Minsk accords. Minsk 1 ended in January 2015 when the DPR violated it by attacking the Donetsk airport while Minsk2 was ended when Russia ijnvaded Ukraine.

[@johnwilliamsscuba6487]

@@Stephen-gi1rx Which does not alter the fact the west never intended to honor this accord in the first place correct?

[@WilkinsMichael]

@@johnwilliamsscuba6487 You are being very dishonest. They intended and did live up to the accord. They were expressing their opinion that Russia would violently break the accord. They were right.

[@johnwilliamsscuba6487]

@Michael Wilkins the former German Chancellor would disagree with you. And she would be in a position to know more than you or I.

[@mortdigo]

It's as if Zubok and Lezynsky are suffering from the same delusion, that of Russia's defeat is inevitable....sigh.

[@davepowell7168]

Everyone loses except the arms manufacturers, rebuild contracts and surprisingly the bankers

[@marianlynch4829]

Russia would win ..

[@TM-sm5qy]

Not surpise, bankers are right in the middle of the decisions by WH. It's all about the money and resource colonization.

[@VicMansaMusa]

Bankers always always win

[@unggrabb]

Fool, why do you think russia is the worlds largest country? Because fools folded up and the empire grew. Not an inch to putrid. Fight until invaders are liquidated

[@jamespelgam4199]

And the governments of both parties who are laundering money

[@beliceernesto]

Victory is defeat and you know the rest.

[@bradfordsaunders3874]

Unfortunately, this will escalate to a general nuclear exchange: that is INEVITABLE. The nukes will not de used in Ukraine either, but on the West including on the USA.

[@rouz0]

Took about 5 to 10 min to notice he has turn to an activist rather than a scientist to avoid demonizarion😅. The state of universities in Europe is very worrying.

[@paulasmith754]

peace, peace and no war

[@mpalfadel2008]

No genocide in Ukraine Russia must withdraw

[@DetroitMicroSound]

RuZFed are TERRORISTS.

[@SB-ok3xc]

​@@mpalfadel2008 they are withdrawing westward 👍🏾

[@mpalfadel2008]

@@SB-ok3xc are they? Seems like Russian lines haven’t moved in ten months

[@alfredepding974]

@@mpalfadel2008; Wrong! Even the Ukrainian Military puts out a map of Ukraine and battlefield movements on both sides. Its available online though it would help you to know what regions are militarily, economically, and communications wise important. Obviously your lite on the research side since you have by your statements here no idea of what the history or current situation is in Russia or Ukraine or U.S. motivations in this proxy war. I'm just waiting for you to post something ignorant and or stupid in response.

[@MichaelRyan-kj3zd]

I wish I lived in the fantasy world all those calling for a ceasefire must live in: where everyone acts in good faith, autocrats can be trusted to not lie, and that aggressors will just stop because of agreements

[@sturdevantphotography5726]

Russia has been saying for 10 years that they won't accept NATO in Ukraine, where was the good faith you speak of as NATO advanced eastward after promising they wouldn't? Who exactly is proven untrustworthy in this scenario? Nice Western chauvinistic projection

[@theciakilledjfk5973]

Autocrats? Is that you, Joe Biden?

[@billyjoesmo8251]

It would be nice but then you'd have to live in delusion like the people on this video🤤

[@appropriate-channelname3049]

I also live in the real world and I don't want forver war between Russia and Ukraine. Because Ukraine will never be able to occupy Russia and Russia will have a very hard time fully occupying Ukraine.

[@finalfantasy1912]

I wish I could live in your fantasy world where Ukraine can fight off the Russians without getting millions killed. Fact is most of the world doesn't want to fight this stupid war they're tired of proxy wars. Stop leading us into World War III you useful idiot.

[@mikestewart5443]

Looks like Miley was correct, Ukraine is fighting a losing battle running out of arms and soldiers.

[@alistairogilvy7696]

possibly the only valid opinion i've heard from the man..

[@obstreperous1113]

What do you base that on? They have thousands of new troops training on new equipment donated by NATO countries, and western combined arms tactics, in several countries in Europe, and now some training on F16s in the US, in preparation, should they be approved. Those troops will soon be back in Ukraine in time for their spring, or summer, offensives armed with modern western battle tanks, bradleys, other IFV and APCs, and now long range precision munitions that can hit anything in Ukraine, minus some of Crimea. The west, at the same time, are ramping up production of artillery and other ammunition for them. They are definitely going to be more powerful than they ever were before. You are dreaming.

[@obstreperous1113]

@@alistairogilvy7696 I forgot the plethora of surface to air systems also donated, to shut down Russia's missile and drone attacks and airpower.

[@Stephen-gi1rx]

@Mike Stewarty: "Ukraine is fighting a losing battle running out of arms and soldiers." So is Russia. Which is why Putin initiated that partial mobilisation, started conserving artillery ammo on the battlfield, and is now using tanks from the 1960s.

[@obstreperous1113]

@@Stephen-gi1rx Russia has no allies, unfortunately for them. Right now, thousands of fresh Ukrainian troops are training in several European countries to be able to operate all the equipment given by the western countries, modern western main battle tanks, IFVs, APCs, mobile howitzers, New longer range precision missiles. Name something you'd want if you were fighting, and it's probably in the goody bag. There's even Ukrainian pilots being introduced to the F16 in the US right now, just in case we decide to give them those, as well. Sam systems to put an end to Russia's missile attacks. etc. They have not been fighting a losing war, the amount of land they have liberated in the Kiev, Kharkiv, and kherson counter attacks compared to the thirty or so kilometers Russia has eeked out in the donbas is laughable in comparison, and the number of men they sacrificed to Putin's ego is horrendous in the past several months. russia is presently losing, and they know it.

[@Zukiwi]

Mr. Zubok, the people of Crimea do not want to be Ukrainian. They decide not you nor NATO nor Russia. They voted, their vote was validated years later by two polls, one American and one Germand - and the results was even more overwhelming for Russia.

[@bradleyroth9870]

According to the dictatorship Russia with their rigged referendums and rigged elections. No believes one word of their BS

[@Zukiwi]

@@bradleyroth9870 Re-read the comment. A poll was performed by the US and Germany and gave an even more overwhelming results for partition. Sorry if facts affect your sensitivity.

[@bradleyroth9870]

@@Zukiwi False there was no poll done that validated anything. Invading countries and stealing people's land is illegal. It does not matter how much lying Russia does about it.

[@justincase1152]

I am curious as to why not one news outlet or commentary speaks of thr Minks agreement? It would certainly give a better understanding to a regular person's perception of what is happenning in this situation. We have NO business there

[@SaiKouSound]

Because the Minsk agreement does not fit into the pro-war propaganda message.

[@wojteks4712]

Because Minsk agreement was warthless ceasefire, used only by Russia to ramp up military preparation for full scale invasion. Obviously... How many times in history the Left has to be fooled and left embarassed by russia? enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend! it's just another imperialist mafia regime..

[@Orto-jj2di]

​​@@SaiKouSound unfortunately for them

[@Grannathinks]

Several channels did that early on. It's readily available for anyone to read.

[@Orto-jj2di]

@Slav or tactical move. Putin knows this now. He tried to be friends with them but they framed him and russia. China sees this too now and understands that coexisting with em is just pointless

[@vernsmith6984]

Is there any suggestions of peace talks?

[@Slimedog1963]

Last September Zelensky signed a decree making it a criminal offense to negotiate with Russia as long as Putin is still President....so there will be no negotiations.

[@markbudaden110]

Russia kept initiating but zelensky made a law "no negotiation until Russia is out of Ukraine including crimea.

[@vgames6792]

No, nato puppets said "ukro will be part of nato" so now russia will have to take the whole ukraine, and make puppet regime of its own, or fck the whole country up beyond repair. Or third option, there will be some super-duper hero who will lead ukraine people, get rid of the n.a.z.i.s, and say stop to this nonsence(i dont see this happening, live is not marvel)

[@maryanchabursky9148]

@@markbudaden110 LOL Zelenskyy tried negotiating with ruSSia for years and was snubbed or turned down. What peace proposals did ruSSia ever put forward since the war?

[@markbudaden110]

@@maryanchabursky9148 a lot but zelensky couldn't swallow.

[@unggrabb]

What is there to negotiate? Once invaders are either killed or withdrawn, then we cant talk about damages, war crime tribunals etc

[@plutoniusis]

Catastrophe, those especial interest didn't want ever to prevent and to stop War.

[@bhranthigee3239]

given the quality of the arguments presented by wolfgang and vladislav, democracy now! may want to consider changing their name to bs now! - at least it will be truthful if nothing else

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: If World Leaders,Biden Profess to be Zionists If Biden sets in motion WW3 WW3 not started by Zionists?

[@bhranthigee3239]

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings That probability only exists if - and only if - the goal of Zionist philosophy is the total annihilation of humanity and also if there is undeniable proof that Biden is a Zionist. If not so, Biden is also professed to be a male, American, old, senile, befuddled, greedy, corrupt, immoral etc...sorry excuse of a human being. Would that make everyone else with the same characteristics responsible for starting ww3? And in any event, would it even matter, since after ww3, there will probably be nobody left to benefit from learning from the experience.

[@redlipstickmafia]

Yep. Democracy Now has been very disappointing on this issue. I follow Aaron Maté & Max Blumenthal of the Grayzone, Brian Berletic, Col Richard Black, Prof Jeffrey Sachs, Maj Scott Ritter, Col Douglas MacGregor, the Duran, Chris Hedges, Ben Norton of Geopolitical Economy, Brian Becker and Rania Khalek, LiJinjing, etc. etc. etc.

[@jonirischx8925]

@@redlipstickmafia Also Breakthrough News And Vijay Prashad are dope.

[@davidwest2240]

Millie has never held a combat command. And he has been telling us or he told us for twenty years that we were winning in Afghanistan and he still wanted to stay there. I would be very distrustful of this he is a bureaucrat and a Washington power player.

[@stephenkalatucka6213]

And a swamp creature!

[@LukeIngels]

We were winning in Afghanistan until we gave up all at once. Women had rights, they could go to school! We were doing our imperialism pretty good for a while there. What’s funny is that the same people who told us that Iraq needed to be invaded because they had WMD’s are now the ones championing this war.

[@jimwheeler6094]

Maybe "Millie" has never held a combat command but General Mark Milley certainly has.

[@mgronich948]

The call for peace in Europe is from those suffereing from the sanctions against Russia. The US has adopted a policy where Ukraine should fight to the last Ukrainian. A policy where the death of every Ukrainian is an acceptable cost for defeating Russia.

[@carolmiller5713]

No it hasn't. Where do you get your "news". The only statements by US officials and Biden has been to say "it's up to Ukraine".

[@rka-truthalwayswins5127]

Correct!! For US, fight to the last Ukrainian & if required to the last European!!

[@iheanyiekeke4941]

Russia didn't come to this point and lost so many soldiers to negotiate

[@mikek9297]

russia doesn't care how many soldiers they lose. Life was always cheap for rus, they don't think like we do in the west. To russia it's people are not citizens - they're a population on a territory. Gogol's "dead souls". But if russia starts losing territory... that's a whole other bag of potatoes. That will raise the flags. If Ukraine pushes the russian zombies out of Crimea, the situation will change completely. And they may just pull it off.

[@rka-truthalwayswins5127]

@@mikek9297 OMG!! In which planet people like you live & what do you guys smoke??!!

[@BornInBiafra]

Zubok, how long ago did you get fresh air? 'Democracy now' is responsible for presenting a balance of guest appearances to reduce extreme Volga compliments.

[@thorinbane]

Nope they are spreading the hate with bad and worse guests.

[@glascoebowie9359]

Don't let hate be your destiny.

[@gucci3541]

Bob Dylan was singing about how he LEARNED to HATE Russians in his song God is on OUR (USA)side.

[@channelavatar555]

Bowie, you advise to go kiss putler's as??? Just tell him to get his military out of every inch of Ukraine, while you are doing that.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: If World Leaders,Biden Profess to be Zionists If Biden sets in motion WW3 WW3 not started by Zionists?

[@terpenstine]

There must be balance in the force.

[@gucci3541]

@@channelavatar555 stop nato terrorists from killing in europe and asia. yankee scum go home and keep on killing there

[@robbieelliot9491]

Zubok is adhering to delusional information about the status of the war. For conflict resolution it is necessary to understand from the other side. It is how they see things which need to be understood, it's not about who is right necessarily. To me, not joining NATO, agreeing to be relatively neutral... work with both EU and Russia, allowing the East some autonomy and at least allow their language and not treat as sub human, would have been a price not too high for peace. Inviting NATO in on Russia's border, which has proven to be preparing Ukraine for war w Russia, not concerned for Eastern Ukr, do not even consider them Ukrainian, nor looking for collaborative peace... shows NATO as aggressors. Helping Ukr winning back the hearts of Donbas ppl over time would have been a peaceful solution rather than bombing the crap out of them. It's just not as simple as good guy vs bad guy comic.

[@LukeIngels]

You guys barely have the rage against the war machine protest any airtime. That’s how I know you’re writers are all on the big payroll.

[@thorinbane]

Rename them faux anti war

[@rezakarampour6286]

US Col. Richard Black : Never Closer to Nuclear War .

[@mpalfadel2008]

Nah It’ll be fine Putin’s full of empty threats

[@SB-ok3xc]

​@@mpalfadel2008 and nukes

[@mpalfadel2008]

@@SB-ok3xc which he won’t use… A nuke that’ll never be fired is a pretty useless piece of equipment

[@D.A.OhK.]

Tell that to Japan

[@sawluke]

The fear tactics only work on low iq people.

[@sonnisaenz1952]

You're crazy if you think that Russia will lose this war, time to seek peace.

[@mazengomazengo9810]

I don't know which field of study this stunning professor took ! Wonderful !!!

[@donteller46]

How do you negotiate with a leader that does not honor his agreements.

[@a.jlondon9039]

No you cannot negotiate with NATO who ignored the MINSK Agreements.

[@goaheadskinit]

Nato needs to start doing what they said they would and wouldn't. That's why this is happening.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: If World Leaders,Biden Profess to be Zionists If Biden sets in motion WW3 WW3 not started by Zionists?

[@alfredepding974]

You mean like the U.S., Ukraine, Germany, and France who signed the Minsk I and II Agreements and guaranteed in writing to guarantee the details of those agreements and take actions to enforce that the terms of those agreements were carried out? Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel has recently along with former French President Hollande quite publicly stated that these agreements were a stalling tactic to arm Ukraine and that they never had any intention of abiding by their word. Merkel got a free Doctoral education in East Germany and lobbied Russian officials/Gazprom to do a joint venture with Germany to build the Nord Stream II pipeline to supply cheap NG to German industry to be internationally competitive and to German consumers. It just proves she also among other Western leaders can't be trusted. It's their way or the highway. No compromise or meeting of the minds seems possible to them.

[@D.A.OhK.]

@@a.jlondon9039 NATO only exists because the world can't mature enough to reject corrupt criminals like Putin. The problem is not NATO. NATO didn't invade anyone. Putin did. NATO hasn't been committing war crimes for over a decade. Putin has. Your defense of Putin is immoral and deplorable.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

WOW! Look at all the RuZFed trolls in these comments!!!!

[@drmodestoesq]

I'll take them over the Crypto currency bots any day of the week.

[@deborahskeete]

When he said they wanted a seize fire and both sides wanted it in certain areas before a strike I remember 17 commanders were fired maybe the request was denied and they continued fighting knowing there would be heavy fire. and a loss oflife that could be avoided.

[@alanchristensen5735]

History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. Appeasement never works. The west failed to confront Putin when he invaded Georgia both times and they failed to confront Putin when he invaded Crimea. This is the consequence.

[@kickicker6058]

I'm a 100% in favor of providing Russian fertilizer for Ukrainian soil

[@Polostar79]

How about you strap on a pair of boots and go make it happen.

[@SamLamsTop10Thankyoueveryone]

The first guest speaker is not dealing in reality

[@matthewmichaels5522]

"Tactical withdrawal"? Code for "we're fucked".

[@lockbert99]

This guest should work for Blinken. He claims Russian defeat is inevitable, even though they are winning and the west is struggling to come up with even 50 tanks and fighter jets to replace the much greater numbers lost. He refers to "Russian imperialism" when the war has nothing to do with Russia wanting to expand their territory. Ukraine had a civil war due to the Donbas people wanting to speak Russian as an official language in a state within Ukraine. This civil war elevated Nazis from western Ukraine in both the military and government as they are both Russopobes and militants and lead in willingness to kill fellow Ukrainians. And due to a pro-western government since 2014 and the presence of Ukraine on Russia's border Ukraine has been getting NATOized. Russia doesn't want NATO on their border and in recognition of such the USA once promised Gorbachev that they wouldn't move NATO "one inch east" in trying to get him to agree to reunite Germany. It is unlikely Ukrainian people are confident they will defeat Russia. They know how many have died, and they are doing the dying. Unlike the leaders, including the t-shirt/sweatshirt wearer at the top who continually forces the military to hold untenable positions and take large casualties (current example is Bakhmut) right up until the last minute or past the last minute. Democracy Now hosting war mongers. The merger of neocons and Democrats is complete. They should be called neolibs now.

[@blanckieification]

-When the West thinks it will win the war and crush Russia: no negotiation -When they realize they will lose the war: negotiatons possible😂😂😂faceloss I must say

[@Stephen-gi1rx]

FYi, the West is not in the war and so is not in a position to "crush" anybody. All it is doing is supplying arms & ammunition to Ukraine, same as the Soviets did to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

[@jimcarrington6744]

@@Stephen-gi1rx except that America never invaded vietnam, as russia has done in Ukraine South Vietnam asked USA to come, after Vietnam had helped USA earlier. In 1994, in Budapest, USA & russia both signed an agreement which guaranteed Ukrainian security, in exchange for Ukraine giving up its weapons, including ALL nukes. Russia has now used those Ukrainian bombers to bomb Ukrainian cities. America should have boots on the ground & we should destroy moscow completely, never allowing another dictatorship to grow there again. I'm no imperialist & that land would never belong to America.

[@ilovethisworld3059]

@@Stephen-gi1rx looool! You may not know that lots of western "advisers" are in Ukraine, in addition to app 10k Polish soldiers....

[@blanckieification]

@@Stephen-gi1rx I know. Still heard people use the words "crush" and "economical collapse".

[@Stephen-gi1rx]

@@ilovethisworld3059 AFAIK there are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine. There are private citizens from places like the US, France, & the UK (and maybe Poland too for all I know), fighting against the invader in Ukraine;'s foreign legion, just as there were foreigners in Afghanistan after 2001 & in Syria following the ISIS uprising battling against the American invaders. Their presence was public knowledge. If you know otherwise then please do supply the evidence for the presence of those troops. Sounds me me though as if you are simply quoting Russian propaganda. Just as American propagandaists under George W. Bush claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq.

[@murrayreid2644]

Was hoping for balance, oh well.

[@thorinbane]

I was hoping for even a single voice that wasnt pro war.

[@thorinbane]

Shame on yhis sham show. Running cover for the USA oligarchs

[@kx7500]

Wanna elaborate? This seemed pretty damn balanced to me

[@kx7500]

@@thorinbane so your hopes were rewarded…?

[@vallee7966]

Have you tuned in when Amy had Medea Benjamin on? How laughable it was so naive

[@wombat5274]

As long as Ukraine wants to fight against Russian invaders, the US and Europe should send them aid.

[@TheChopf26]

No, we shouldn't. We shouldn't be involved in escalating or prolonging this conflict. That will only lead to WW3 and the world doesn't share the Ukrainian desire for global warfare. This is the mentality that lost Ukraine what little support they had in the beginning.

[@wombat5274]

@@TheChopf26 Ukraine still has plenty of support. WWIII is not happening because Putin is always threatening nukes. If Putin uses nukes, China, India, Europe, and the US will all be against Russia. China and India made it clear.

[@wombat5274]

@@TheChopf26 The majority of Ukrainians want to fight the Russians who are invading and committing war crimes. Ukrainians will fight with or without aid from the US and Europe, so why not give them a better chance of winning? Unless you believe Ukraine doesn't have agency to act in its interest and instead believe in American exceptionalism.

[@thorinbane]

So lets march straight into ww3 do you think china should be allowed to arm mexico and canada against the USA?

[@thorinbane]

You have been propagandized. A review of bucha proves it was a cleansing operation by far far right ukraine troops that even tweeted about it. Oh and btw its war a whole lot of awful happens on both sides. Maybe we shouldn't have pushed this ever closer to the limit and we continue to do so. Remember NATO isnt attacking Russia we were told. Nope not at all, just supplying arming and training a nato army in ukraine, oh and since 2015 Look up operation unifier, canadian and swedish military for a verifyable mission we have been performing to escalate tensions for 8 years previous.

[@jessedevilbiss8436]

It's been unwinnable from day one. It doesn't matter how many weapons or money we give Ukraine. They will run out of soldiers. The next thing we need to send is troops. This will not stop without a peace negotiation.

[@M1984FA]

Handing over Sevastopol to Nato would not a humiliation for Putin, it would be a disaster for the Russian state. This has nothing to do with Putin. It is amazing that these two experts are unaware of that.

[@mikeabeyta7051]

DN! has become so disappointing, and you can see it in the choice of pundits. Neither one addressed the elephant in the room: what does Ukraine intend to do with the enormous Russian-Ukrainian majorities in the Donbas, Crimea, Kharkiv, and southern regions? They don't even factor into the discussion. Unworthy victims, to use Chomsky's phrase. They didn't even discuss the obvious fact that from a Russian legal perspective, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetz, Zaparhozia, and Kherson are already part of Russia, ratified by referendoms that have already been ratified by the Duma. Enough with self-serving pundits.

[@vallee7966]

The ratification was laughable and ridiculous, but you know that. Ukraine has to deal fairly with their ethnic Russian population & not discriminate. Allowing them to join with Russia in a FAIR & FREE vote after this war, should be considered.

[@thorinbane]

It was a free and fair vote. The people not in favour have ling since fled to western ukraine or flooded over into their neighbours regions as unwelcome guests

[@ilovethisworld3059]

Well said! If Ukraine was given back any Donbass territory or Crimea, the first thing they would do is start another ethnic cleansing/civil war!

[@CarlosGarcia-vw8sc]

These professors show how confused the European scholars are.

[@rka-truthalwayswins5127]

Or.. how terrified they are speaking the TRUTH!!

[@carlosmherrera2150]

And why this guest does not acknowledge that his war is actually a NATO Russia war ?

[@seraphinqorro5039]

Negotiation is the only answer to Ukraine war

[@lidiagoldfeld9681]

"To Be an Enemy of America Can Be Dangerous, But To Be a Friend is Fatal.”--Henry Kissinger

[@Ganeshsaab]

Times have changed since then. This the beginning of the end of American dominance.

[@mikek9297]

@@Ganeshsaab Ask the Chechens, Georgians, Finns, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, Turks, Azerbaiijani. Karelians, Afghans, Romanians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Hungarians, Chechs or Somali people what it is like to have rus as your friend, ally or god forbid neighbor... I'll take Kissinger over Ivan every day of th week and twice on Sunday.

[@Ganeshsaab]

@@mikek9297 Tims are changing. America in its history NEVER has won a war. The world is tired of Mafia like behaviour of America. We are on the threshold of a new era. Ivan has never fooled the people.

[@harukrentz435]

It's not about win or lose, its about filling the pockets of politicians, generals, and MIC executives.

[@faivnengher5020]

I agree with professor, USA should not talk about victory but peace and safe life

[@bertrandruskin3406]

Zubok is right to say he's not a military expert. Apart that, what he should ask is how many Ukrainians must die to keep up their futile attempt to win. Zelensky will need to leave the Donbass, recognise it as Russian territory, agree to the demilitarisation of the remaining territory of Ukraine. The rest will be Russian. Best to negotiate now, I definitely agree with Zubok on this, and US must not keep interfering in Eastern Europe. Poland is now edging towards confrontation and Russia is ramping up its military more. Let's stop the war now.

[@SkuliBragason]

Is it for the US to dismiss the peace plan ? Is it not Ukraines choice ?

[@alexfrideres1198]

Well Biden is defacto president of ukraine considering how much of our money he throws at them (and the Ukrainian government quickly embezzles)

[@DayTukErrJawbs]

Good point. We are there to assist Ukraine. The major decision making should be in hands of Ukrainian leaders

[@thomasromanelli2561]

The US supports Ukraine's decision, because it is THEIR conflict. Zelensky recently said that some of the Chinese plan is worth exploring, especially the first principle- respecting the sovereign territory of all countries. Russia has obviously violated this principle but China still refuses to condemn their actions.

[@persuadertron6454]

Ok well why did America threaten Ukraine with pulling all support if Elenski signs the agreement in Istanbul? I thought it was their decision!?!?

[@corneliusrupert7354]

There could have been peace before the war broke out, but Boris Johnson went to Ukraine to destroy any hope of any peace deal. WAR is a RACKET!

[@pdraggy]

The only 'negotiated end' would mean that Russia surrenders.

[@Polostar79]

That won’t ever happen

[@vgames6792]

Yah, this is a existential war for russia, "patriotic war" vol.II So that will happen, only in your imaginary world

[@pdraggy]

@@vgames6792 um... that's why I said it- cuz it won't happen and Ukraine won't stop until they get all their land back. Again, the only POSSIBILITY is if Russia surrenders.

[@vgames6792]

@@pdraggy "Ukraine won't stop until they get all their land back", or loose all its people, right? you silly lindsay graham war pig supporter

[@gocestojanovski3723]

Big bear will not surrender unless you kill it, for that to happen will be third world war & no one wins.

[@polygamous1]

Wars are the devil's curse on humanity when will we all learn wars are no good for humanity only financially good for the few elitist? will we ever learn? I fear we may never learn

[@maxplank1196]

Ukraine war was won by Raytheon a year ago

[@apmul1889]

Would have liked to see the meeting between lavrov and woke Tony.

[@erikjrn4080]

@@le6859 You're right. People need to stop thinking that "corrupt idiot" and "woke" are the same thing. They're overlapping terms, not synonyms. Big difference.

[@erikjrn4080]

@@le6859 Pictures of Nancy Pelosi, who became filthy rich while in office, kneeling with a kente cloth, begs to differ about those not being overlapping. I'm not saying that *all* woke are corrupt bastards, nor am I saying that *all* corrupt bastards are woke. I'm saying that *many* woke are corrupt bastards, and *many* corrupt bastards are woke.

[@aachoocrony5754]

@@le6859 Why? Because Blinken isn't woke??? What are you smoking?

[@erikjrn4080]

@@le6859 Yeah. There are degrees of filthy, though. Wishes are good, as long as they don't get in the way of pragmatic action. I know, figuring out what action can be taken is hard, and, when you do, it seems insignificant. It's a safe bet with Trump, though. I doubt he has ever had the patience to read a book. Don't confuse it with stupidity, though; it's his personality (-disorder) that makes him seem like a clown. He's intelligent enough to be dangerous, as those who have underestimated him have discovered. I think all politicians have a superficial veneer of "good intentions". Nobody is a villain in their own minds. Often, they'll act entirely cynically, but even then they'll be telling themselves it's for "the greater good". Sometimes, they're even acting "idealistically". I put those terms in quotes, because their ideas about what's good shifts, depending on what's expedient. They'll be superficially "sincere" even in changing their ideas, though. Wow. That was a lot of quotes... The point is, they believe their own lies. As a result, I don't think the difference between cynical and well meaning is very significant with politicians. Trump is distinguished mainly by his inability to hide his narcissism, not by being a narcissist. That inability is what many people have picked up on, and confused with honesty. It sort of is, in a very twisted way. It's not a good reason for supporting him, though.

[@elsonck2523]

Woke sarcasm.

[@James-hq4vy]

US/NATO/Ukraine wants to built US/NATO military launch pad with nuke capabilities, by the way US/NATO has over 300 military bases in EU, but the aim is to bring Ukraine into NATO umbrella once Ukraine become NATO member, then US/NATO have the entire 600 mile plus Russian border to built Nukepad facing Moscow. US/NATO/Ukraine these are evil intension got them into this war. This is why Russia got into this war with west.

[@KaiserBlade]

They could have done that yesterday. Why don't they?

[@aldofromsf]

Only the Ukrainian people will decide when the war stops. To discuss anything else is an exercise of immaturity.

[@Zukiwi]

This Mr. Zubok is obviously over estimate the Ukrainian situation. However, the only thing that makes sense from what he says is that war needs to end. Mr. Sporrer is totally ignoring what Merkell and Hollande confirm : The Minsk agreement was not intended to be respected but to readied Ukraine for war against Russia. Jesus - why do these people avoid talking about facts that contradicts their belief.

[@thorinbane]

Better question is why is anti war channel and host doing zero to bring this up or push back on false narratives. Goodman cant be that oblivious. Which means she is either willfully ignorant and incompetent or a liar allowing a false narrative to persist. Neither is a good look. At least we have mearsheimer, sachs, McGovern ritter and macgregor with pushback. The funniest part isbhtow against the USA was on an investigation of the pipeline bombing. Seems reasonable since theu KNOW russia did it wink wink nudge nudge

[@jaimepatino1645]

Killing me softly 👹