New Light on the Peopling of South America

[@rickkozlowski8844]

This lecture did not age well. Not only is she unbelievably arrogant and denigrating….but she is flat out wrong on many of the posits she asserted. She either has no real understanding of lithics and Clovis technology, or she is being willfully deceptive in her statements. And from protein analysis from recovered artifacts and more refined carbon dating we now know that her dates are wrong. And her assertions about paleo megafauna being largely extinct before the arrival of Clovis is also quite wrong. The recent unveiling of the 8 miles of unprecedented petroglyphs in the Colombian jungle completely blows her statements out of the water. Biggest lesson to remember in science, and life in general, is to stay humble, respectful, and open minded. Your entire life’s work can be found to be false tomorrow by one new find, or better testing and technology. Don’t waste your time with this video.

[@TonyTrupp]

There are also recent research papers that have concluded that megafauna were already in decline a 2-3 thousand years before clovis and before younger dryas, starting in beringia, coinciding with human arrival there, there declining significantly in north america, coinciding with the emergence of clovis culture, and happening latest in south america, as human population expanded further south.

[@AF-tv6uf]

Thanks for the warning! I was concerned when I saw the date. 2012 and 2024 are a chasm in terms of what we know about New World archaeology.

[@qui-gonjay2944]

She does what all other standard model archeologists do. Her sites are perfect and all the older stuff is wrong. At this point it has to be willful disinformation.

[@bobthenoob05]

" stay humble, respectful, and open minded." "Don't waste your time with this video " 😅😅😅😅😅😅 You sounded kind of upset though...

[@Holy_hand-grenade]

Tried listening but the speaker has an extremely annoying habit of smacking her lips every time she pauses in between statements. It sounds both arrogant and annoying.

[@mlucasGrindstone]

I really hate her delivery. Instead of stating facts plainly, she consistently keeps referring to old or outdated science in comparison. You made that point, move on. Tell your story. Make it compelling. There's just a horrible arrogance about this delivery. But I guess that's traditional paleo archaeology dot-dot-dot

[@SolaceEasy]

Amazing researchers don't always make the best presenters, particularly if there's bad videography and production values.

[@michaelhearne3289]

She is Theodore Roosevelt's great granddaughter.

[@CliftonHicksbanjo]

She's insufferable.

[@mikewhite9818]

Annoying, arrogant sums it up. Very hard to follow. Too much babble. Not enough get to the point. That is why this video drags on for a boring 1 hr 39 minutes.

[@zipperpillow]

I graded this talk "D+", because her performance and content we're not quite up to a "C-". Her smugness is inappropriate and grating. Her plodding pace and repetitions were annoying and tiresome. Not a good speaker, not a good presentation. Disappointing. Could have boiled this down to 20 minutes.

[@sadhvacman7238]

Her condescension is hard to stomach. She’s a little over the top with selling her paradigm as being the only right one.

[@qui-gonjay2944]

When she said I only use uncalibrated radiocarbon dates I knew exactly how it was going to go. Gatekeeping to the max.

[@Simonjose7258]

31:25 Brilliant 👏 This is what I keep saying. So many amazing discoveries but they're not acknowledged until a North American or European confirms it. And then given the credit of "Discovery". This talk is amazing. And a decade old already! 🙏🏽

[@TheZeekgeek1]

These filmed talks are invaluable. Thank you!

[@gregcollins7602]

seems to dismiss dates on studies that she was not part of. also seems to dismiss data and dates on studies she was not part of and that don't jive with her theories.

[@TonyTrupp]

@@gregcollins7602 i was noticing the same. Since this talk there have been a few more recent advanced calibrated radiocarbon studies on monte verde that have confirmed that occupation date to around 18000-15000, which is beyond what she was willing to accept here. Great presentation otherwise.

[@baskinsmichael]

One of my favorite archaeology lectures

[@paleoprentice6482]

couldn't watch it cuz she keeps smokin on that candy dumb idea to eat the candy before a lecture

[@TonyTrupp]

Informative talk, but she presents a now outdated Clovis First understanding of history. Dates that are outside of her Clovis First date range bias, she just disregards, saying that it’s impossible since humans were there yet, like at 1:27:49 …based on that inaccurate timeline, she claims that megafauna species such as the giant sloth couldn’t have possibly been wiped out by paleolithic hunters because they disappeared from the fossil record before the clovis & folsom cultures. But we know now from dozens of sites such as cactus hill, coopers ferry, monte verde, topper, etc that humans did occupy the lower 48 and south americas thousands of years before the emergence of Clovis culture. The Serrania de Lindosa rock art in Colombia also shows paleolithic megafauna such as giant sloths, early horses and mammoths. A few south american sites also have giant sloth remains alongside human artifacts. And the last giant sloths survived in the caribbean until around 4000 BP, surviving until about 1000 years after humans arrived then. So there clearly was a significant period of overlap between megafauna like giant sloths and humans.

[@scottschultz6573]

Thank you for this knowledge

[@mkaberli]

Did I hear her say that only the mammoth and bison antiquus could have been hunted to extinction, because all the other Rancholabrean fauna was extinct before Clovis people came into the new world?

[@captainbeeflaps5612]

Nothing was hunted to extinction by paleo man ... They respected the animals that fed them and only took what was needed from the land ..hunting to extinction is a colonial western passtime exacerbated by firearms and idiocy and something that would seem absurd to hunter gathering people

[@clarkblount7788]

@@captainbeeflaps5612 Wow. Colonial Westerns hunted the Moa to extinction? You have to ignore history to draw such a brilliant conclusion.

[@forrestunderwood3174]

Sure. They fed them. All the native people were vegetarian, and everybody respected everyone and everything. No fighting, no killing animals. Sure. @@captainbeeflaps5612

[@deweypug]

She seems to have a bone to pick (pardon the pun) with other scientists, which is fine, but she should just make her points rather than degrade others findings. ALSO, note to speaker: don't suck on candies during your lectures.

[@michaelsladnick5482]

It's much better science actually to directly engage with the work of others in your field. The problem is that the general public is rarely included in these debates, so it sounds arbitrary or petty to them on the rare occasions when they catch wind of it.

[@kathryntitus9647]

I'm glad it's becoming more common knowledge that humans did not come across the Bering strait or at least not all of them. I'm certain that crossing over into the Americas came earlier than that if that happened at all. And it happened from way further south across the pacific.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

How about a Bering Strait stoppover, and then both interior corridor and kelp highway. We can get from Asia to Tierra Del Fuego without leaving sight of land. Sailing too but ... Polynesians def made the trip to SA, but the Pacific is a big ocean to go right across?!

[@DTHuey]

I want to speak to your manager.

[@caseyjude5472]

This was such a good lecture.

[@pseudopetrus]

She might have some really good points but she is hard to follow.

[@SolaceEasy]

Poor videography doesn't help either.

[@michaelranalli4735]

Dna is unclear about halplo groups x andb in n america however the archrologicol record is very clear the paleo clovis and preclovis started in south east moved west the end

[@ricklindert5649]

Are there any sites along the western North American coast where plate tectonics have kept the paleo coast line high enough to allow fairly easy investigation?

[@nmarbletoe8210]

fabulous question. Calvert Island in Canada, McLaren 2018 PLOS One. Lemme know if you find others!

[@forestdweller5581]

I agree it's ridiculous to think a few primitive people would have wiped out the megafauna up north. One theory now is an impact from space striking the ice sheet without leaving a visible crater. Laboratory simulation supports that but hard to prove further of course. South America is very interesting and poorly studied.

[@TonyTrupp]

Except there’s a lot of research showing that the megafauna started declining well before supposed comet hit, particularly in beringia where humans first arrived, and that the extinctions averaged about 400 years later in south america, and in some cases thousands of years later on islands (like the last giant sloth on cuba 4000-5000 years ago, going extinct right after humans arrived there). The timing really doesn’t work to try to blame it all on a comet impact.

[@cowabungabrian1111]

A few? I think estimates for North and South America is generally thought to be more than 40 million people. Also it is important to note that when Homo sapiens left Africa some 80k years ago and spread to Europe and Asia that Africa at that time had the smallest, I repeat smallest mammals on the planet when compared to all other major landmasses. Now that is flipped.

[@CONTRAGOLPETV]

Blown away...we need the archaeologist community to stop AA from trying to re write history of our Native American ancestors.

[@TonyTrupp]

AA?

[@siksika4603]

@@TonyTrupp Referring to the fact that all African Americans are trying to rewrite history stating they were the 1st all over the world.

[@TonyTrupp]

@@siksika4603 the only people i’ve heard pushing this theory are white people.

[@davidbenyahuda5190]

Perhaps you are unaware that so-called nine black people have only been on the planet for 6 to 10,000 years. To believe that anybody is is original to planet Earth other than black people is demonic. Lastly also according to science so-called non-black people are not human. This may explain the stagnation of their stagnation of cultures around the world and their inability to invent culture. What has been hidden from you by white supremacists and their supporters is the fact that so-called non-black people are literally pretending to be black people. 🕎👊🏿⚔️🌽🏹

[@CONTRAGOLPETV]

@@davidbenyahuda5190 Ignoramus comment and typical coming from a self hating African American.

[@spockspock]

I was raised devout Mormon. It’s all too easy to assume and imagine what your biases lead you to. Empirical data is now my bias.

[@angrytedtalks]

Rather out of date now. The DNA evidence obliterates the Clovis points evidence and proves that the original palaeo-indians were 31% West European and the rest siberian. The mix occured in Asia and the migration was coastal, on the Baringia to America route, possibly with boats. There were earlier homonids in the Americas, however; Clovis were not first.

[@randywright9571]

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. You can't even spell Beringia properly, and the coastal migration population ignores the reality that those parts of the world are among the coldest on record.

[@angrytedtalks]

@@randywright9571 What part of this is nonsense? The DNA evidence is solid and the Solutrean hypothesis still relies on artifacts rather than human DNA. The mammoth population of North America existed for 350,000 years. Are you seriously stating that Neanderthals (entirely concurrent with mammoths) would not have followed and hunted the herd? Very petty of you to highlight a spelling error, but well spotted.

[@TonyTrupp]

The solutrean hypothesis is far from proven. From what I read further dna testing didn’t actually find a link to europe. Would be curious to see a verified source on the 31% claim. Interesting theory though. Certainly possible that there was some migration along the atlantic ice sheet.

[@angrytedtalks]

@Christopher S Straney Completely false. The Soluteans were European exclusively. The people who went to the Americas from Asia 23,000 to 16,000 years ago populated the entire continent. The Vikings are WAY more recent and uniquely European with no trace found in the Americas until about 1000 years ago.

[@qui-gonjay2944]

Solutreans were not Europeans of the modern day. The population of Europe was replaced around 9000 years ago.

[@kaisguda]

Sticky tongue?

[@Kwodlibet]

Well to be fair, I do not find anything that much "new" in her talk and if her goal was to prove that the Clovis people came from the North-Eastern Siberia, then somehow I have missed that proof. The argument for the Clovis culture being descendant from the Paleo-Europeans, as we understand it now in 2016, is that there was possibly more than one incursion of humans into the Americas, possibly over a larger than previously anticipated span of time and possibly from more than just one direction. The Clovis were to stay in the eastern and southern bits of the present day United States, moving further west and south only after the time of the Late Dryas climate change/extinctions which probably also decimated their population. From that point on they could have been assimilated into the groups arriving from Asia or just end up being outcompeted by them. That is all there is to it. I may be mistaken but at least at this point do not know of a single serious archaeologist advocating for the "European" origins of the Clovis people who would claim that all Indians or even Paleo-Indians were of the Clovis descent. Sure there is a lot more work to be done, we need better sites, more precise dates and, please, for the love of us all get some DNA samples, but to dismiss the Clovis hypothesis out of hand because "the ice-free corridor is the only way" seems a bit too dogmatic and less scientistic. Still, a nice presentation.

[@randywright9571]

You've grossly misrepresented the distribution of Clovis-era finds; they are uniformly distributed in all 48 states, and the likely reason for the higher numbers in the American Southwest is the favorable climate and habitat they encountered. The Anzick Clovis Child stamped "bull $#!%" on any claims of Europeans in this hemisphere. The only "hat" those folks are hanging onto is the Mal-tai child found in Central Siberia; it was shown to be part of an ancestral population, 24,000 years old, that split with part migrating to Europe and part joining up with another population that eventually migrated across the Bering Land Bridge and into this hemisphere.

[@spockspock]

Support women in STEM.

[@jlasco907]

U can tell she smokes 3 packs a day

[@grammyskigin2883]

Hopefully she now knows indigenous people have been here since time immemorial

[@TonyTrupp]

When exactly does time immemorial begin?

[@stevedutton1351]

Archaeologists are so shut off to change. It was once believed that no one lived in America until 4000bc. Now there is proof of life 24000bc. Clovis technology did not come from Asia, it came from Europe and was copied. The same technology was being used by the Solutreans. There are also some Indian tribes who have stories of the first genocide of white stone age people in America. Clovis is Solutrean, one day the this will be accepted, until it is we still have to listen to the lie. Just ask them why some indian tribes have the fourth "X" gene in their DNA

[@TonyTrupp]

You may want to watch Milo Stafan’s video examining the solutrean hypothesis. There are a number of reasons to doubt that it’s the source of clovis culture, particularly there being a large gap of a few thousand years between the last solutrean artifacts in europe and the first clovis points. Also the solutrean points haven’t been found in north europe, even though they likely would have had to travel the coastal route up the european coast in order to make it into the americas. Also the Atlantic current moves clockwise, so they’d either be traveling against that strong current through open ocean, or the current would have landed them much further south, likely in brazil. Finally, solutrean points really aren’t really all that similar to clovis points, in that they aren’t fluted. And there’s no remaining dna evidence, no that the one genetic signal that they were claiming was european has also been found in NE asia. Evidence for that solutrean theory seems pretty weak at this point.

[@dannyhamel81]

The archaic culture if have many finds people coming in out of alaska and all mixing in with other groups virginia georgia Tennessee north carolina and south carolina florida there is also paleo here topper and other sites near the coast of Chesapeake bay just hoping that one xite can tell a period of 24,000 that would put Minnesota and Yellowstone that the inhabitants were people were coming in nothing is telling the time when people were actually came in 21,000 to 18,000 BC i know people came in much earlier before fulsom and clovis they came from the virginia carolinas if there is a early site it would be in the waters or a underwater cave i would like to see something coming out 24,500 that people were in this country much earlier than what is being found

[@yoandrew4886]

Enjoyed this very much. She is very knowledgable and holds no punches. She learned the lesson the English arch. learned many years ago. Question till u can't question. Proof has to be firm.

[@jorgikralj905]

Go on with DNA testing!

[@matthewdolan5831]

Good account of the mess. Worth noting that some monkeys made it across the Atlantic from West Africa 40 m years ago..

[@sonofdamocles]

She's pretty great and I love that she's provoking so many internet experts. "MUR MUR MUR, MUH ANCIENT ALIEN THEORIES". Also comments on stuff like this reveals a lot of racists/ sexists.

[@sonofdamocles]

@J. B. Hamel Apparently.

[@sonofdamocles]

@Manley Nelson My apologies, it was my economic insecurities talking. I need to more closely read talking points provided by stormfront for my interpretations of the genetic record. achtung, mein Herr!

[@scottmyers1873]

Difficult to watch

[@jillelizabeth1737]

PERSNICKETY!

[@yoandrew4886]

I think e know what a flute is, especially ach., me a amateur , he discussion on misconceptions about fluting showed me that she is very closed about the field. She neanderthal, wheres her club, she's right.

[@VaxtorT]

All bullshit conjecture

[@umpqua-4freedom436]

She is annoying and what she is saying is they really don't know anything for sure. Dating techniques are all over the map and career professionals get totally territorial about their conclusions instead of remaining open minded. Yay...this solves nothing!

[@Arthur-Silva]

53:26 why did you move the camera? Why keep all the relevant stuff out of frame? 😅

[@dannyhamel81]

South america they discovered another groups of two peoples albriginese and asian these groups range 8,000 to 9,000 much later than others there is occupation with these two groups that ould be ealier than these were found they were found in the south americas archaic history is always interesting the climate was changing and much colder the moving from one place to warmer climate areas

[@mhodgson4574]

Wonderful lecture! Thank you so much for your candid talk about racism and poor archeology from the past. Its refreshing..