update on cshield stuff

[@Dystratix]

To clarify the no EP o3 thing, the change that is likely going to happen to take it out isnt even really focused on ep in particular, its more a change to overall improve the health of the o3 fight. Currently players ep o3 because of 2 things, 1 his phases are easily cancelled by damage, and 2, he has a pretty open damage window before he starts doing anything in his phases. There is a chance that only the first part needs to change and the early "pre ep" window can stay, but I am not currently counting on it. The changes are mostly focused on groups that are effectively pushing passed entire phases of o3 before they are even allowed to happen, so your "average" o3 run probably wont be impacted much. A side effect of changes targeting these would result in many currently epable phases due to the open damage window before a phase starts not really being epable anymore. However for phases where o3 himself doesn't fire any bullets (splendor, cosmos, staggers) there will not be anything intentionally put in place to stop eping him for additional damage. It's again a situation where EPing o3 is cool, but having groups able to effectively nullify the boss isnt. Hopefully people can still find cool way to get in for eps in phases for maximizing their dps, but the thing where you can do it before basically every attack isn't really intended in any way.

[@DeadParfoz]

Aren't you guys too fixed on taking discord runs as a gold standard? I mean, a full organized party in void top+ gear should perform infinitely better than a bunch of randoms in T10, half of which don't even know what to do and half of the roles missing. Having 2-3 competent guys is a godsent and I've been in a lot of voids which ended in ~10 minutes with 5- guys trying to survive the onslaught on 5-tile wide platforms. Normally, I would have a sense of accomplishment, but there's a freaking 1350 counter for each exalt dungeon, and the penalty for mistakes is quite brutal (no unmaxed exalts lol). This way it may end in everyone getting forced into discords or leaving out of burnout.

[@MonochromaticPrism]

@@DeadParfoz Or resulting in an even higher number of players moving to hacked clients due to feelings along the lines of "well if you aren’t going to disrespect me, then I won't respect you".

[@RayQnon]

deca create an item with longevity in mind (impossible challenge)

[@TheWolfofice]

that could be said for basically any gaming company though lol

[@JameTime]

@@TheWolfofice I think tetris holds up pretty well I dunno dude

[@RandommBoyo]

Divinity

[@RayQnon]

@@TheWolfofice like sure, but most games have *other* metas and items that can replace nerfed stuff to create a new game state. Rotmg on the other hand.... is severely limited on endgame viable items.

[@RandommBoyo]

Getting rid of EPing from O3 feels kinda shit, even if that thing is actually strong as hell ngl

[@thathungryguy2617]

Perhaps lifting the tech from cloak of the darkened sun (the agents of oryx cloak), which provides a flat heal on hit could be a powerful defensive effect, which would apply to armor piercing shots.

[@JameTime]

THIS IS SO TRUE but also it does not help with things like sicken phases too

[@Dystratix]

Youll see in a few days but this is actually what i did, to a small degree at least, ontop of the armored version.

[@Nicholas_Lim]

What's wrong with eping o3? It's literally the highest risk reward in the game. The problem is the stagger mechanic.

[@kredual]

If you honestly think about it Fungal Caverns got only 2 good white bags Cshield and Fungal Tome the CShield rite now is a A to A+ shield depending on your skill with it after the patch it’ll be a B or B- and don’t even get me started on fungal tome patch so I have to ask, what’s the point of doing Fungal Caverns when all there whites are gonna be trash

[@JameTime]

I hope it is still "B or B-" tier afterwards..

[@mimavolo9606]

This is beyond not true, The fungal spell is an absolutely busted spell, easily an a+ to s- item the fungal trap is literally the only good trap in the game, Even after every other trap got a "buff", and is atLEAST an a- tier ability, The fungal spellblade is also a really underrated staff, always outdamaging t14 staff with a 6 tile true range and partial piercing, Its legit really fucking good, especially for ppes and people that can't reliably do o3, Even after the nerf fungal tome is still gonna be nuts, Endgame priests were already using gemstone + Twilight Shroud (Shatters st robe) for the added mp regen and cost reduction, it will still be absurdly spammable for what it does after the cost increase, and arguably it will heal MORE than it did before cause it heals an additional 5 targets putting it up to 15 And finally Cshield, Honestly the only problems i have with the rework is the carry over of a speed penalty, imo i think it should give a speed INCREASE and be rebranded as a rushing item, instead of standing still and taking every single shot in existence, you can swim through some/most shots and retaliate on your way through, Useful for lost halls pots shatters switches, fungal/crystal clearing, steamworks rushing, I think cshield should give 15 def and 5 spd on equip, and remove the -15 spd, and that is all you need to make it a really fun item with a cool niche, it would absolutely demolish any godlands dungeon with that change, even with just armored you'll be able to freely sit on the majority of bosses with the exception of malphas and gulpord cause i think they give armor broken (or atleast they used to, i don't remember)

[@Justin-wg4sq]

rip no more cshield avatar:c

[@ponypown1079]

could a potential solution be having certain bullets that pierce invulnerability? There are already armor piercing shots, and this would allow cshield to remain a strong defensive item that can human decoy in certain rare situations, while letting the devs pick and choose where it remains as its current meta, and where it can be a nerfed version of its current form. Alternatively, cshield could drain mana based on the amount of hits taken, rather than by time. This would allow it to still human decoy, albeit with a higher skill floor, while removing the full invulnerability that the devs want to get rid of.

[@JameTime]

This will also be a nerf to Oreo, Kensei (all of kensei), cuirass, and each Matrix armor

[@twopiece4729]

Make the cshield wis mod. And its armored and damge risistant percentage. Like the new assasin poisons

[@assortedproduce8053]

I hope they keep pre-EPing but make it so you can’t sit on him during staggers or counters

[@RandommBoyo]

Hell naw leave me staggers EP-able

[@Charziken]

Honestly being able to EP during staggers is genuinely one of the best things about this game/fight. One of the earliest possible UT items you can get, which is nigh unusable in just about every possible area of the entire game without the use of a debuff that is becoming more and more useless (due to more and more enemies being immune to it), has a use in what is *supposed* to be the final boss (currently) of the game.

[@renaldaslaurynas9951]

I wonder if they wanna kill oreo like that too? 😅

[@JameTime]

I personally think oreo is in a good spot tbh. I see a lot of people die with them so I'd imagine it's in a "good-to-okay" spot

[@TheArkanaz]

Make cshield a pause button

[@JameTime]

so true

[@hughmungus986]

to be honest, i feel like this is a massive kick to the balls for the people who run shatters. think about it: - they removed hp and damage mods for bosses and replaced them with crappy minion mods (I DARE YOU to do tablets with minions attack faster + faster projectile speed) - practically deleting cshield and wnting to make some boss phases even harder than they already are the only thing we are missing is an even worse hp scaling rework.

[@JameTime]

To be fair, those minion mods have already been in the game before then, but since it exists in grade A and not S most people just didn't really notice. Cshield replaced skills like properly dragging sentinel and all chase phases in king can be done pretty easily on a non cshield character too. Sometimes nerfs can be good to push players into the direction of high skill, such as the case of removing hp and damage mods, but the removal of shield both pushes players to learn other things but also removes an entire playstyle from the game (which is what I am not okay with)

[@Nicholas_Lim]

You think the game is better off with p2w god keys? Cshield just makes the dungeon less fun. Sentinel jumps can be predicted if you know the pattern and the king's chase phases are already easy to dodge. Removing cshield is a different issue but to say it's a kick to shatters players just sounds like you want to afk.

[@SakamotoSan09]

They should make the projectile delete enemy shots or something. That way it still has that defensive wall motif but isn’t quite as exploitable as invuln.

[@JameTime]

I feel like that could be extremely abused and even more of an issue though. Like everyone can sit on bossed if a bunch of people just spam delete shots sort of thing

[@dreisangthefreezer]

@@JameTime What about deleting only a number of shots

[@JameTime]

@Dreisang still the same issue with spam

[@Aim_rotmg]

Hey im a o3 world record attempter!

[@JameTime]

Attemptererer! Go get that wr

[@Aim_rotmg]

@@JameTime i got it :)

[@TheWolfofice]

so many people are upset the cheese items are being targeted, and it's only right that those items are being targeted. they can't put alot more in the game to challenge people without targeting the cheese items. it just can't happen.

[@JameTime]

I agree that this item can be used to cheese things but there is plenty of challenge in the game even with the item in the game. Remember that this isn't the most easy item to use in the game to begin with, so watering the item down to being just a "cheese item" downplays what the item is capable of.

[@littleshrimping6872]

​@@JameTime especially cause mistiming things gets you popped

[@refiened9724]

Track ?

[@JameTime]

It is part of the rotmg soundtrack! kzbin.info/www/bejne/h36ui6h8jZenaqs

[@refiened9724]

@@JameTime where does thisnplay?

[@JameTime]

@Refiened I completely forgot but for some reason my brain is saying vault