Update Review: Good and Bad Changes - Lotr: Rise to War

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[@mentormindset853]

I hate just that thing with mock battling its shit but i like everything else

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Fair enough!

[@raulok432]

I think the clarivoyance change and the temporary settlement are good for defenders, we did enjoy a big advantage as attackers. Defenders can't clarivoyance attacking armies, only defending ones so you can never be sure of what is coming even if you used it on the "attacking stack". The settlement feature is consistent with how forts are built and give the defenders a chance to destroy the camp before they port, just like forts. Before it used to be a race to the 3x3 tiles to deny it but they could port instantly...... it is more balanced even if it seems like a nerf. I feel slightly bad because I have benefitted from it far more than I have been on the defensive but it is a better and more consistent experience for new players and veterans on defense. Great content on rise to war, hope you don't stop.

[@jamesknox8016]

If anything they should speed up the leveling process. It takes so long to get anyone to 50, so you're limited on who you can use for pvp. More high level commanders gives you more versatility, keeping you engaged longer.

[@Brandonrod]

I can’t believe they are nerfing mind sharpening. It’s tedious enough to get commanders to 50

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Agreed!

[@Minifutzi_o.O]

well exp scrolls makes it actually faster than with mind sharpening.

[@Godskin_Trio]

To get you to use the gems for the daily mock buff. That's why the nerfed it

[@Chemical-H]

@@Minifutzi_o.Odepending on the xp given but overall you get 4 tavern tips free…so now you’re going to have to drop 200->400 to get xp vs just free…

[@Minifutzi_o.O]

@@Chemical-H no. I don't have to pay any rubies to get the exp scrolls. They're already in the tavern each day in addition to the classic tips

[@Logosguy-fv1bj]

Again regardless how I think about these changes... at least they are trying to make adjustments and not abandoning the game.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

True that!

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

You guys still play this game? Buyer's remorse?

[@gabefergy]

Might have been in a test server without knowing it, but I started an alt account a couple months back with the mind-sharpening/xp scroll changes. You can really boost a commander fast with the scrolls. Basically didn't mind sharpen at all and just used scrolls.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I remember seeing those as well on a test account. Hopefully the exp you get ends up being solid.

[@meglobob9217]

Its not as good as 100% quick witted though. My season 2 was with those scrolls and I was only able to get 4 comms to level 50, my record with 100% quick witted is 14 50th level comms. Its a big xp nerf overall. Also, its painful having to do the scrolls everyday.

[@soarestefan1797]

​​@@allthingsmiddleearth 10k green exp scroll 30k blue and 100 a purple It's not that's good, you have 4 to 5 missions daily

[@kylemcdonald3902]

I played a server last season with the scrolls, they were great but add the expense if lost units and stamina in exchange for, it seemed - nerfed tavern tips rewards. All the tips dropped in exp reward to 5000exp rather than the 10,000+ exp tips. All is fine unless you are struggling for resources or filling out armies and need to expend limited resources

[@victorsaavedra7296]

I've already played in what I can only assume was a testing server for this mechanic. I can confirm leveling up commanders is way faster and interactive. No need to mind sharpening, just need to adjust to that new truth

[@slipstergaming]

EXP scrolling seems they have given us a something more to do. So that's good. Quick Marching sux they change. It was always away that allowed players to have a ace in there hand if needed. I can understand that fast march to a tile right next to you would be op(suprise attack) but they could only have added a min tile range on it.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I've been in a lot of situations where it's been used to take tiles and bounce in very key situations so it'll be a change for sure

[@nathanclark2600]

I agree with their reasoning about why they’re nerfing clairvoyance and quick march. However, that’s exactly the point and how it should work. Sneak attacks and a paid scouting ability should give the attackers an advantage. That’s how actual battles work. Doing good recon and using surprise attacks give attacking forces in the real world an advantage over defenders

[@RGAELVR]

It does seem that they are trying to appeal to the casual player. I’m indifferent, as long as it doesn’t have a drastic affect on the game as a whole. It would be a plus if these scrolls allow us to lvl up faster and reduce the importance of taking high level tiles (for mind sharpening xp purposes), which is usually a pain early season. Also, less recourses/grain spent. We will see..

[@javierbernallopez8554]

The scroll experience is alteady implemented in season 1, if i record correctly green is 10k blue 50k and purple 100k, you get a good amount per day by sweeping specific mobs as a tip, nad i think that makes the “early” leveling up, those 30-45 level way easier, the thing is that with mind sharpener nerf, i think those last levels are going to be more painfull

[@kylesimpson2844]

Yes equally painful for everyone...except for the whales who will spend the 200 gems and then the 400 gems every single day to get triple the experience

[@azadog1233]

I mostly used clairvoyance in seasons to try not to hit certain commanders rather than avoiding a player altogether, especially in seasons where we were losing

[@TehOmnissiah]

They should let us select one (only one) commander to instantly level to 50 (if it’s R5+) at the start of a new game, the benefit would be glorious.

[@dnaseb9214]

Hope Sharku gets a R5 boost, to make his buff work on the entire army if you use wargs

[@Minifutzi_o.O]

I don't think they will buff any T1 commanders. They don't make money with it.

[@nathanclark2600]

If the xp schools work out to the same amount of xp or more than the nerf to quick witted I think that’s overall good. It saves you stamina, gain and ability points.

[@mncrimsondog]

The clairvoyance update is likely to reduce the incentive of placing an alt in the server and using/having 15 daily “free” clairvoyances on enemy tiles with the alt. If many people are doing this currently, it reduces true total of “active” players on the server making them feel dead.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Yeah you might be right. From that prospective I think it's a solid change.

[@aquafreshka9308]

I think you missunderstood the new quick march, it's says that he will no longer be a marching but a mouvement. And you said that we will only be able to use it on neutral tile. But neutral tiles and redtiles are both marching order. This mean that we will only be able to use it on green or blue tiles. So it's a big buff for defence cos you can quickmarch and guard but you can no longer do it to cut or secure connexion

[@doubleupload5620]

As a f2p the clairvoyance nerf will hit hard winning is hard enough but I do like the quick march change I have wished for a while it would either cost more or have it only able to be used in regions you control.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I think I have mixed feelings about the quick march change. I have been on both sides of it so I think I see some pro's and cons.

[@okoniewski2j]

The only thing I definitely dislike is the reduction to mock battle xp and maybe the quick march... but I'm gonna have to see how QM plays before I judge that one.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Yeah it seems like a mixed bag, half of the stuff seems good, while the other half...not so good.

[@BeregondFirstCaptain]

What season do you get quick witted? I dont have it in season 2

[@craigbailey1738]

They did this for my most recent Season 2 that just ended. It was really nice to be honest. It was actually amazing and way less grindy

[@craigbailey1738]

They were OP in my season and I never wanted or needed to Mind Sharpen. All of my ability points went into battles, resource management, etc.

[@ombrartw]

I alreaady play this system on My season 2, and is fine, scroll system gonna give you alot of exp, i don't know why they put this now like news, couse is exactly the system i play for 2 mount on my season 2 account. Trust me scroll are strong, on late stage you gain alot of exp from them, if they set that like i play on my s2, is about 1 day to make one cms Lv48 to 50 only using scroll of sweep.

[@okoniewski2j]

I like the adjustments to clairvoyance it not fun to only fight counters.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

You're not wrong. Maybe they want players to be able to use a wider variety of commanders this way.

[@mnoble0141]

I think this change is good for generalist commanders overall, but it might also open up some space for niche builds. If your opponent doesn't know what you have, they have to be prepared for anything.

[@wolfstfox]

the Clairvoyance nerf is great, it takes almost no effort to reach ring lv 20 by the time full wars are going and the changes mean your alt sitting in Isengard because they never fill can no longer scout for your faction because all that account was clairvoyance and 30 ability points, this is overall far fairer for everyone.

[@trisseus2302]

honestly i just want to see commander adjustments its all anyone asks for its not like they have to go after Sunid or Gill most of the requests are for non meta commanders so small adjustments to them would be relatively safe from a balance perspective that said they should release them in pairs of one evil and one good (nerf for nerf and buff for buff) not to insult the developers but i feel they would do something like nerf Sunid and buff Legolas in the same patch and then be confused by the outrage from RP servers. Balance/Rework for the corresponding commander should intended the same effect concerning performance.

[@lostechoes5917]

I feel like getting to the T4 camps are going to be more important than ever. Farm them while stacking scrolls as much as you can.

[@slipstergaming]

They nerf good side camps, expect Hobbit camps.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I wouldn't be surprised if those get nerfed soon. Enjoy them while you can :(

[@wesker7415]

Love ATME from DKNG

[@ombrartw]

Abaut scout system, i hate the change on clarovayance, is complitly in favour of randoom player, couse for counter perfect an army you need to know how, now, is all randoom again!

[@fritzwalter46]

Well I do mostly like the updates but why the heck is nothing done on balancing commanders lol

[@matthewfraser3826]

The vast majority of people don’t have time to play 24/7. We don’t get paid to play and stream. We have 9-5 jobs and play games for fun not work. 😂

[@CorrionReap]

Then pick a more casual game?

[@trisseus2302]

last time they slowed mock battling they rebuffed it real fast because everyone hated it

[@luke-ig4gd]

i feel like alot of you overview that the mochbattle nerf is a f2p buff. imagine all the whales that get their 300 a week before you are nerved in exp. thats just a net win for slower players. i dont say i like/dislike it. but alot keep asking for changes for lower spender and i feel like they did that here, still no one seems to be happy

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I feel like the change to mind sharpening is worse for less active or F2P players. Very active whales aren't mind-sharpening to get to lvl 50, they're farming camps. In my experience, our biggest whales help others get 300 power tiles so they can mind-sharpen and catch up a little easier. So I feel like the whale and hyper active players will still do the same, but those less active or whaled will be slowed down.

[@Dreddy99]

Last 3 seasons i wasnt able to get any commander to lvl 50. this doenst make it any better :(

[@slipstergaming]

Look at clairvoyant as a +, spy accounts are getting lesser value. And thats a good thing. The quick witted is a good nerf, whales can get 300 very early and what happens whens when a whale with 10+ lvl more then you comes. Not much stops him😅

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I don't disagree about the benefit in regards to alt accounts being used to have unlimited clairvoyance. My thinking on the 300's is that whales get 300's early because they hard all the neutral camps like crazy, the biggest thing they usually start doing with 300's in gathering to build more troops to farm more camps. So it seems like it'll be slower for those that are trying to play a bit more casually and level up when they're offline on their 300's

[@cyrusjunden]

“Commander changes”. And then no buffs to unused. Or special items. Sigh

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Right?? Would be nice to get some buffs to underutilized commanders

[@timekeepermedia5142]

@@allthingsmiddleearth The fact they leave Legolas in the dumpster makes me depresso expresso lol

[@therubes]

Let agzok buff orc comms.

[@Superagent666]

I think the devs have realized that their game's player base is dwindling with the rise of Mega Whale Fellowships determining the result of seasons before people even join. So long as they allow unlimited spending by financially irresponsible people, there will be a massive barrier between free to play and whales. This feels like somewhat of an attempt to help the game appeal to F2P players while not addressing the real problem in big spender monopolies. They're going for any sort of illusion of fairness that they can produce, when it's all just a lie.

[@champuli1027]

Yeah the new video shows it too, they are addressing this mega group problem now, at least trying to

[@CorrionReap]

Send the whales to their own servers so they can fight each other

[@pathofmatth]

tl;dr slow the game down it's not actually to cater to casuals, it's more-so to get people to play for longer, treat the game like a marathon instead of a sprint the idea is to get people to play longer and therefore have more opportunities to spend money

[@Tylerm1013]

I disagree with your take on clairvoyance. Its being abused by people with multis, so effectively getting this information at no ability point cost. This change decreases the demand for multis, which I think is a good thing.

[@YoMommaNYaDaddy]

I’ve never been able to get a commander to level 50 lmaoo RIP

[@justinmckinney4962]

Clairvoyance ruined this game imo, Before it, you had to read reports or send scout armies out. Now you just tap 2 little points out of 30 to know everything....Get rid of it all together and just rework some commanders.

[@ATKDERBY2010]

new update is wank

[@kylesimpson2844]

Another update for the super whales...they're going to be spending the 200 and then the 400 gems to get more tavern tips to level their r25 Suninds even quicker. Great. When I think of the devs for this game I just picture a group of rats sitting around a table consistently brainstorming how to rinse every single penny then can from people😊