UPDATED! Know BEFORE You Buy! Marine Lithium Battery Comparison | Trolling Motor | Fish Finder

[@markbohlin1256]

One of the most important things that you missed was quality of build. In Fl we are saltwater and hardware internal/external is very important. Dakota and Amp Outdoors cells and internal components are made for saltwater. SS, aluminum... cells are also incased in metal fastened to a metal frame at the base of each. These are batteries that need to be capable of bumping and bouncing continually while in use. Amped Outdoors is a 3yr warranty and they are blootooth. Also number of cells internal and quality of same is another factor not discussed, may be that you are now just now learning about batteries yourself. Both companies mentioned may not have responded to yr email but do answer phone calls. lol kind of a nice video but missing a lot of important info.

[@DustinSilva]

Its worth noting that Li Time has a "trolling motor" version 100ah battery that does include BMS and low temp protection.

[@OhioFootHills]

And you can get it with Bluetooth 5.0 now, for under $250.

[@garagedoortec4083]

Wow your coming in clutch on the breakdowns! I’m actually shopping for batteries now awesome content

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks! Post up with what you find 👍

[@gandalf6223]

Battleborn is coming out with bluetooth but not for 4-6 months per their response to me this week.

[@jab376]

Lets be honest. To anyone who has noticed, prices of batteries is been dropping day after day, rapidly since Christmas 2023. Absolute good news for consumers. Knowing that, why would anyone buy batteries based on 3 years, 4 years , 5 years, 10 years etc warranty? Just Why? In those time frames, alot of vendors in battery business will be out of business and your warranty will be WORTHLESS.

[@goodmanfishing]

Certainly a valid view point.

[@masteryoda9341]

That why you buy the aftermarket warranty Amazon prime. Tho I’m cautious about buying the budget lithium batteries for my boat, the idea of failure offshore is scary and I don’t mind the extra weight from optima blue tops running my down riggers ,radar ,sonar & lights. But see the potential of lithium batteries being half the weight

[@25Patman]

I store my batteries indoors, have no choice(apt in the city) the low temp cutoff is not an issue. I ended up paying 259 for an 100amp with good reviews. Should have it by this coming friday or saturday. Excited.

[@goodmanfishing]

Nice! Which brand did you go with?

[@danielwebb5595]

The EPOCH battery has built in heating so you can charge below freezing. As well as all the other stuff including automatic cutoffs & Bluetooth.

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks Daniel. Self-Heating is pretty neat, it can also be added to a battery by using a 12v RV tank heater with automatic temp triggering.

[@billcoleman7316]

You neglected the SOK battery, which is also a great battery but I chose Battle Born myself.

[@Eric-zs6rd]

Are these batteries drop in ready to be used as starting batteries too? I've read things about the alternator damaging them or them damaging the alternator if connected to an outboard. Or are you guys only using these as house batteries to run the electronics?

[@goodmanfishing]

These are not intended to be cranking batteries, mostly due to the BMS being rated to 100A. There are some dual purpose starting lithiums out there that will work for some. For the most part the batteries discussed in this video are going to be used for electronics or trolling motor applications. 👍

[@nathanhook4421]

Thanks for the video. I just pulled the trigger on the new Li Time Mini. I have a river boat and weight is everything for some of the skinny water I like to fish and explore. The new Mini weighs only 19 pounds.

[@goodmanfishing]

Should make be a great battery for you!

[@johnstreet797]

I have three eco worthy12 volt batteries connected in parallel for a certain application. I charged them with a power supply of too high a voltage, then disconnected them and checked voltage at BMS charge cutoff on each one. The were within 100th of a volt of each other on my Fluke 16 meter. I was impressed.

[@user-og7il2wf3w]

Heard these type batteries had a 1 year warranty. Lasts 10 years, but warranty is only 1 year.

[@goodmanfishing]

Depends on the manufacturer of the battery. The different warranty periods are covered in the charts and linked manuals

[@Sandy-u6c]

I wish you had included Lion Energy UT 1300 BT 12V105Ah Lithium Iron Phosphate $899 ($100 off) on site. Bluetooth Compatible. Weighs in at 23 lbs. But bought two at Costco today at Vendor Road Show" for $699 each with a Lifetime Warranty.

[@acme9538]

Solid Breakdown . . . Thank You. One company that keeps coming up is Miller Tech. From what I've read they are top quality, with solid customer service, and a fair warranty policy. Interesting enough, they are are amish owned and operated !

[@goodmanfishing]

I have a MillerTech 36v battery and it's outstanding! Great company to work with.

[@patskanes5262]

Hello, You are the first person I found on KZbin that talked about Low Temp Protection in Lithium Batteries. However, in Northern US and Canada there are times where you may need or want to change below 32 degrees F. Having protection to protect your battery is a good thing. However, how about if you want to change the battery at or below the protection setting? There are a couple companies that sell Lithium batteries with a warming blanket. If the BMS notes that the battery is below the required temp. for charging than the warming blanket warm the battery and then charges it. I just purchased 4- 100Ah batteries with warming blankets as well as a Lithium 4 bank charger. My batteries warranty falls within the 10 years. But what was important to me was the ability to charge the batteries when it is cold and having the Bluetooth capabilities. Just make sure you know your needs before you buy a Lithium battery. Just to let you know, one of the companies you listed told me “To plug the batteries in as soon as your get home”. Well, with my drive time the batteries would have cooled down to a point where they wouldn’t have charged.

[@lawrencedavidson6195]

I live in Jamaica so i don't need a low temp cut off. However even if the battery does not have low temp cut off, most good quality charge controllers have low temp cut off built in.

[@scotwcates]

i am so confused on what battery to use, pro guides keep coming up when i search for a battery, what is your thought and what battery selection do you currently use thank you

[@goodmanfishing]

@@scotwcates there's a newer version of this out there with batteries under $300. Currently I'm using LiTime batteries

[@scotwcates]

@@goodmanfishing I guess my main confusion is should I spend 1000 or are the batteries that are half that just as good, I’m looking at 36 volt batteries for my trolling motor

[@goodmanfishing]

@@scotwcates I've not seen a strong case for $1,000 name brand batteries lately. I have a LiTime 36v that tested at 57Ah and should have Bluetooth soon

[@scotwcates]

@@goodmanfishing thank you for your help hopefully customer service if needed is good thank you again

[@AAE-cg1il]

In the process of converting from AGM to Lifepo4…….Best breakdown I have seen yet.

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks!

[@hvacguy1127]

One of my Li time 100 won’t charge after one year. Disappointed.

[@goodmanfishing]

What happens when you try to charge it?

[@markromero634]

Can you share your workbook?

[@davidmcdonald6207]

Looking to replace my electronics Lead Acid battery with Lithium Ion, but concerned with charging. My current method only relies upon my engine's alternator, since I use my boat nearly everyday. Will this work if I only replace my electronics (house) battery with Lithium Ion or should I install some other equipment? My vessel also has an "Emergency Parallel" switch to ensure that the engine will crank, even if the primary cranking battery dies for some reason. My vessel has 4 batteries and I have been changing to AGM as these lead acid batteries fail over time, but would like to lower the weight if Lithium Ion batteries will work as direct replacements.

[@IndyFan]

Your comment was from 3 months ago....but no, don't charge regular lifepo4 batteries off your alternator. I think Dakota and Ionic are making some dual purpose batteries meant for cranking and deep cycle, which you can hook up to your outboard. But they are way more expensive, and I'm not positive if the BMS allows the outboard to charge or if you have to plug in when you get home. You can email them to find out. That being said, don't use the cheapos...you can't connect them to your alternator.

[@Mrkellywilliamson]

I bought a Monster Marine Kong battery 1.5 yrs ago and it just died. Total bummer. Today, I decided to replace it with a Dakota 24V 60 amp hr.

[@goodmanfishing]

Bummer! Did they warranty it?

[@Mrkellywilliamson]

Gary at Monster said they would warranty it...but I have to ship it back to them on my dime. I live in Hawaii. Lithium batteries on planes are complicated for shipping from Hawaii. $138.00 to ship it back to them. By comparison, Newport Vessels which makes the NK180 trolling motor I use for my kayak, when it decided to stop working, they emailed me a mailing label (UPS), all I had to do was slap it on the box and drop it off....they paid for shipping and made it sooooo easy. Anyway, I am working through all this and...a pain in the you know what. @@goodmanfishing

[@craigholland2274]

Which battery would you recommend now? Monster, miller tech or something else

[@goodmanfishing]

Depends a lot on where the battery budget is and the customer service expectation

[@Fish-os4pe]

The tracker lithium is made by Relion

[@JLaird-ji1qr]

Appreciate these videos …….. just purchased 3 lithium to run a trolling motor …… your information was SUPER helpful.

[@goodmanfishing]

Glad it's helped! Which did you go with?

[@JLaird-ji1qr]

3 x Li-time 100ah trolling motor model.

[@steveking8548]

Good video! Bluetooth is nice even if you only have 1 battery!

[@lloydcastillo8568]

Based on your video, I think I’d like to go with RoyPow because price, low temp cutoff, Bluetooth, and decent warranty. I’m in a Kayak and need state of charge/remaining runtime because the battery is way out of reach and my trolling motor battery status is not accurate for LFP. Do you have a link to more information on the RoyPow? And yes, I just subscribed!

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks Lloyd! The Roypow battery is also operated under the PowerUrus name, here is the Amazon link: amzn.to/3lVlF0m

[@jkg6211]

They're also affiliated (to some degree - I THink) to *Epoch* Batteries- which, for Trolling motor batteries, is currently THE top of the line - i.e., the very best that money can buy, at this time of posting. (July, 2023) I have their 24v 100AH for my MinCota 24v 80lb thrust Riptide Terrova. Price, Warranty, BT info, and build quality is, at *this* point in time, is 100% unsurpassed. Period. IP67 on top of that...? AWESOME. BUT... only time will tell, as manufacturers constantly play the "catch - up" game...

[@allstaralex0776]

Do you think I can weize 2 12v 50ah for my terrova which is 80lbs thrust and 24v? I fish a trolling motor only lake so it’s gotta last atleast 7 hours during a tournament.

[@goodmanfishing]

I would expect that to work fine.

[@allstaralex0776]

@@goodmanfishingeven so the terrova pulls 56 amps? That discharge thing won’t happen?

[@goodmanfishing]

@allstaralex0776 sorry I'm not savvy on all of the specs off hand on the Terrova. If you go above the C-rate of the battery, it will shut down. Check my 50-60Ah video for batteries that have a higher than 1C discharge rate.

[@kennyjimenezjr.1348]

I have a 24v min kota trolling motor what battery would you recommend

[@CAN43715]

I have been using ionics for over a year now. Couldn't be happier! Bluetooth also. (2) 100 amp for minnekota 24v and (1) 125 amp for motor and electronics. Customer service is awesome. I submerged my batteries when I forgot to put drain plug in. Batteries were underwater for 30 minutes. They still work fine and did not get water inside.

[@lifeisfuneh]

Do you recharge LIFEPO4 back to 100% after every use when you get the boat back home? Thanks

[@goodmanfishing]

Not unless I need full capacity. LFP batteries like to be within the 20-80% range. It's fine to charge it to 100%, but it is harder on the cells.

[@lifeisfuneh]

@@goodmanfishing Thank you! I wish there was charging level limiter like I have on my phone.

[@goodmanfishing]

That would be nice. Most EV cars do as well

[@lifeisfuneh]

@@goodmanfishing I guess "smart chargers" need to get smarter :)

[@cmwade77]

You missed a very important category, ohysical dimensions, sone applications this is a huge deal. For example in mobility scooters, Dakota has the highest capacity i can find that can fit in a pirde victory 10.2

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks for the input! This is more Marine-application centric where these are all pretty much the same size. Several companies now sell 100Ah "mini" batteries, which utilize LiFePO4 pouch cells (vs cylindrical or prismatic), which offers quite a bit of volumetric density improvement. LiTime, PowerQueen (which I own) and a few others sell this "mini" 100Ah.

[@cmwade77]

@@goodmanfishing the minis are still too large for most scooters. Dakota has a 54ah one that fits the victory 10.2. this is currently the largest capacity I can find that physically fits, but it does seem they keep getting smaller. But different brands have different sizes for the same capacity.

[@samfish6938]

Watch out some battery makers send out batteries to youtubers for reviews Especially reviewers that take batteries apart They send out perfectly built batteries that give out more power than rated A year later they put in cheaper cells and batteries are not made as well and have failures so be skeptical of reviews Also I think battleborn and victron pay reviewers to look at the batteries especially in rv space They may be good products but sometimes they are 3 times the price of other makers,also victron inverter is bad design they have push in connectors for ac As why does not sit in well and overheats and burns out $1500 inverter I saw an expert using a pliers to get wire in he puts in at least 50 a year you damage the wire You strip wire 7/8 to copper .you get small screw driver in small hole push in you strip 8 inches of outer sleeve inside to cable clamp in case you want to redo it. Then each wire you pull on to see its not loose victron should go back to screw connectors in multiplex inverters

[@kennyhaworth9606]

Great info What about Trolling motor 24v to 36v systems Thanks

[@truck57us]

I've had an Ionic 24v 50ah battery for a year now for my MK Terrova TM. A buddy has three Ionic 12v for his 36v MK for even longer. All working great and a world of difference. Of course, there's a price to pay for these...

[@Uncle8015]

What’s a good charger for a smaller capacity battery? Currently looking at some 7Ah & 10Ah LFPs for kayak fish finder. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

[@goodmanfishing]

Something like this 2a would be fine. It will also work on lead acid or AGM, which is handy to have around. amzn.to/3LGJq5f

[@MrKgboyer]

How do these compare to Lion Energy 1300 BT?

[@Wiscobowhunt]

I appreciate the video, I’ve been looking for a long time for trolling motor batteries. I pulled the trigger on powerhouse 36v batteries. I guess they’re mid range ish but hopefully I see a difference than my agms

[@goodmanfishing]

Powerhouse will do you well!

[@wstewart5532]

Hey buddy! Great video as I am purchasing my first 100aH lithium battery. I'm getting some conflicting info regarding charging. My battery manufacturer says their 12V 100Ah battery can be completely charged with a standard lead-acid charger that achieves 14.4-14.6 volts. I have one of these and am hoping I can use the 10a setting (it offers 2a/10a/30a charge rates) yet others have said a lithium is different and I should only use a charger designed for lithium. Thoughts?

[@goodmanfishing]

Hello there - Couple of things to unpack here. I personally would only use a lithium-rated charger. Lead-acid chargers typically slowly ramp up current to lead the battery absorb the charge. A lithium does not need this, the BMS will manage current to each cell and you want it to do it's job balancing. It is likely that your charger will put out 14.4-14.6v, which is fine for a lithium battery. However! You do not want any type of desulfating function to be pushed to your lithium battery, that is a typical lead-acid charger feature. If you do completely drain your lithium battery, the BMS will cut off the cells. You need to "wake up" the BMS by applying 12v to the battery. A lead acid charger will not do that, it will not push power until it sees there is a battery hooked up. That may cause an issue. Charge Rate: You do want to charge a LiFePo4 at around 0.2C, if possible. So if you have a 100Ah battery, 100Ah x 0.2C = 20A charge rate.

[@wstewart5532]

@@goodmanfishing Hmmm, I discussed chargers with both the retailer and the manufacturer. Don't want to get into brand wars but mine is one of the higher end brands. It was the manufacturer who said my 2/10/30 smartcharger would be fine if used in the AGM setting. And the retailer said I would be fine with the 4a same-brand charger he gave me for free, but offered a 10a version which was over $125 so I decided to make do with the slower 4a charger. I'm thinking a 20a charger is going to be significantly more.

[@jasonbroom7147]

@@wstewart5532 - You can use a 14.4v charger meant for AGM, but realize that the charging profiles are very different. You won't charge as fast as you could otherwise, if you're not using a charger for LiFePO4. Also, you will not want to leave your batteries connected and "float" charging, the way you would with any lead-acid chemistry. Just bite the bullet and buy a charger that will help protect the $$ you put into the new battery.

[@patskanes5262]

@@wstewart5532 I would ask you charger manufacture before I charged Lithium batteries with a Lead-Acid / AGM based charger. I had a Pro Charging Systems 3-bank charger, and I gave them the model and serial number and they stated “Do not use the charger with Lithium batteries? They also stated the charging profile could not be changed for Lithium batteries.

[@TomVogt-u4h]

what is the reserve capacity in minutes, on these batteries . Thanks Tom

[@goodmanfishing]

Tom, the conversion from Ah to RC is: 100Ah / 25a = 4 hours at a 25a load. 4 hours x 60 minutes returns a Reserve Capacity of 240 minutes. For all of these batteries.

[@TomVogt-u4h]

@@goodmanfishing thanks for the update. I enjoyed your videos. I hope you continue to post more information. Tom

[@samfish6938]

Most use same cells Same bms basically the same battery Some maker said it had A light 100ah that worked like all other batteries Someone tested it and got 40ah

[@ranger178]

the real question is do the companies actually stand behind their battery when you call them do you just get the run around as a lot of reviews on these batteries say.

[@goodmanfishing]

I did a video on my Weize experience. They took it back

[@30gills]

So after all the research you did you really ended up with miller tech. They are not even on this comparison charts. Did you get free batteries from them?

[@Jp12-h1y]

Li time trolling motor batteries have low temp cut off

[@goodmanfishing]

That battery was released after this video came out. Certainly helps! 👍

[@Jp12-h1y]

@@goodmanfishing figured it was

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Good video! "98% of my viewers aren't subscribed" - yup I get the same thing!

[@brettlatta]

Thanks for this! Straight to the point with great info.

[@goodmanfishing]

Thank you!

[@bobbarnhill8557]

10 months later. Litime offers bluetooth, high and low temp sensors.

[@goodmanfishing]

I've seen their trolling motor version with low temp cutoff but I have not seen a Bluetooth battery from LiTime. Do you have a link?

[@frederick6008]

Personally, i hate automatic, bluetooth or smart crap. I like controlling everything myself.

[@ronfalk5296]

I'm sorry but you forget one of the most importent thing. Customer service, if that sucks the battery is worthless

[@goodmanfishing]

Very true! 👍

[@thomas4315]

Here a better way, get a Honda 3 hp outboard motor. And yes it powerful and can move a full size fishing boat as long as you aren’t a speedster's. They used it even on house boat. And over 100 miles gallon. It a cheat, but not perfect. Hand carry . Push the arm forward or reverse. Cute thing. And it a Honda last forever

[@bobbeckert8863]

This video needs updating.

[@goodmanfishing]

Yes, videos on KZbin do age. There is a

[@ricqik]

It is you as the consumer to know what you have. If you charge it in freezing temperatures, you're stupid. That's no different driving your car into the water.

[@libbymolly1]

Your information is incorrect sir

[@kurtc6302]

Where do u thinks it’s incorrect?

[@CrashPen]

I noticed some info was incorrect given today's date in that some of the battery makers have multiple models, some of which now have charge protection for freezing temperatures. Appreciated the content, it was probably correct at time of making.

[@l8tapex]

nextgen jump in the lake...

[@LarryButler-kp3se]

You'll bever get it overboard before it explpdes. Your old wetcell from Walmart never overheated and burned like a Tesla...

[@goodmanfishing]

Teslas have very different chemistry batteries..

[@LarryButler-kp3se]

@@goodmanfishing kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmilhGmHjpiqf5o Go watch the fire from this little lifepo! Is your boat steel?

[@scotwcates]

So you went with the weizeus because you trust it I was going to pull the trigger on amped 48ah battery for mine 106sv and LS black box, I’m more confused about what to buy now more than ever, I’ve all was been told you get what you pay for,

[@goodmanfishing]

There's another video about my process with Weize on sending my battery back under warranty. They took care of it well. The lower cost batteries certainly have a place, but I would suggest setting up a basic capacity test and check it annually within the warranty period.

[@scotwcates]

@@goodmanfishing yeah the weize battery I saw which is the 50 ah is 159.00 and the amped one is 350 but the amped comes with a 10 ah charger, is weize a mix of quality and good price is that why you went with them

[@goodmanfishing]

@@scotwcates Price was a big factor for sure. I have a Power Queen and a Cenerius in my boats at the moment. I run my Garmin Force off of a MillerTech, it's realllllly nice.

[@rwefree9469]

Are all of these batteries the same size?

[@goodmanfishing]

Yes they are 👍

[@FlatsFisher73]

New sub ran across the channel seeking a lith battery for my kayak 36lb thrust and this helped me understand some things🫡

[@goodmanfishing]

Thanks for the sub! Glad it helped!