Upgrading My TrueNAS Server Again

[@donoteatmikezila]

These kind of videos where you see a seasoned amateur "ride the lighting" and just wing it are entertaining and validating, because when you see someone else's "winging it" looks very similar to your "winging it", you feel slightly less bad about winging it.

[@HardwareHaven]

That’s good to hear!

[@LouisGiliberto]

Agree with @ALLCAPS 100%. Seeing someone go through the same things is invaluable.

[@Bear_Cannons]

If you don't want to reinstall the OS when switching drives you can add the new drive to the boot pool which will mirror it so you can have redundant boot drives. But in this case once the mirror completes you can remove the flash drive boot device from the pool so it is just the SSD. Unsure if it is much of a time saver since it can take a bit for the drive to mirror.

[@JMassengill]

At least you admit you are guessing. I’ve worked with people who wouldn’t admit they were guessing and it didn’t end well. Interesting video and it’s relevant to me as I’m fixing to make a nas change myself even though I’m not a TrueNAS user.

[@GhostieXV]

Considering you said you didn't know what your were doing I think you did a great job!

[@HardwareHaven]

Thanks! It’s probably an exaggeration to say I have no idea what I’m doing, but I’m definitely an amateur and likely to goof up haha

[@travis_smartley]

Even seasoned IT Admins have to "wing it" on some things. Working in IT means you deal with a lot of issues across a myriad of system types. If you don't do something regularly, then chances are you end up having to just wing it and trust in your general experience to see you through. That and a Mastery of Google-fu

[@HardwareHaven]

Soooooo much google-fu lol

[@gustersongusterson4120]

Fan control in Truenas (or linux in general) would be a cool video.

[@GR8SALAD]

Ahh, I've been binge-watching your videos since I started getting interested in setting up a NAS, since I realized it would make managing my astrophotography stuff much easier! Nice to binge watch something then immediately get a little more XD Unfortunately so far I've been massively fumbling my hardware choices. Bought a CPU then realized it didn't actually work in the board I have (thanks LGA1151), then bought an Optiplex tower that already had an 8TB drive in it. I know I'm throwing caution to the wind not doing any redundancy to start, but I'll be keeping things backed up on an external drive too. ...then I learned TrueNAS really wants ECC ram, which nothing I own is compatible with. We'll get there eventually XD

[@HardwareHaven]

Honestly you’ll probably be fine without ECC. It’s great to get later on, but don’t sweat too much

[@Anaerin]

Technically you weren't moving the pool, as you were creating a different pool with totally different layout. The (longer, slower) way to do it would be to fault the 4TB drives one at a time, replacing it with a 10TB drive, and letting the array rebuild/resilver. Then when the last drive is rebuilt, you'll get the option to expand the array to fill the new disks.

[@halbouma6720]

Yeah, I would still do it like in this video. Bad things happen if a fault is found on another drive as its rebuilding on a single parity drive set.

[@KeithWeston]

Thanks! This is an overall thanks for your content thus far. More please - when you have time.

[@HardwareHaven]

Hey thanks! And I actually just posted haha

[@KeithWeston]

@@HardwareHaven so I see! Watching now.

[@TrashPC_lol]

i have been watching HH before 1k subs, and i personally still think he is the most underrated tech tuber. due to his comedy, voice and overall content. keep being awesome bro.

[@SNCKPCK]

just clicked the channel to check for a new video and one uploaded 56 seconds ago! nice!

[@HardwareHaven]

Well played haha

[@tigeroats913]

I always enjoy watching Ur videos nothing over the top they're real they're chill, I hope u make a in depth tutorial on truenas scale someday like setting up jellyin and how to use it

[@HardwareHaven]

Thanks! Yeah that could be cool!

[@LouisGiliberto]

Since watching your other videos I installed TrueNAS and love it. Your other videos got me ready for what I was going to go through and helped me plan out my install. Please keep the videos coming on any and all topics.

[@HardwareHaven]

Right on!

[@vinceontheweb]

yay my favorite nas-tuber uploaded

[@HardwareHaven]

Haha nas-tuber

[@philipdigrazia5036]

The steps at the end seem critical to making the whole thing work and you went through it so fast it was impossible to learn from it. Unfortunate because I need to do the exact same thing and now am left hanging. Appreciate the attempt.

[@Noel_FGC]

me listening to this calming voice and lofi music while playing through Doom 2016

[@HardwareHaven]

Sounds like a nice day!

[@scoty_does]

I used to have an old PC for my trueNAS. I recently upgraded to a 7 drive TrueNas MINI and couldn't be happier.

[@tonisterasmaa1813]

Was a good video, I'm same sort of person, who figures things out while doing, rather than heavily researching beforehand 😅 Keep up the good work!

[@HardwareHaven]

I try to do at least SOME research haha

[@modaafoca]

And do some research. And them heavy when it is not going good hahahaha | Luís Alves

[@VersedPlaysTM]

Another great bit of footage here. I am currently looking into a new home for my NAS as I need more drive capacity.

[@First_Grafter]

20TB! You must be storing a lot of memes :)

[@gh975223]

thats not much! my nas is made up of 12TB & 14TB & 16TB drives, looking to add 2 20xtb redundancy drives in eventually migrating the smaller capacity drives to the lager capacity then add more 20TB drives in

[@First_Grafter]

@@gh975223 bruh… 20tb is a lot. All my drives combined are 4tb and only half is used, for people who hoard data 20tb might be normal but for the average person they'd never fill that up even if they tried

[@gh975223]

@@First_Grafter photographs alone is easily 4TB in jpeg format not the preferred format of NEF. if SSD were not so so so expensive i would put a few 4TB SSD in the system for just the photographs

[@First_Grafter]

@@gh975223 yeah but not everyone is a photographer or even know about higher quality formats Like that you have that much storage is okay and pretty cool But it's really not what the average person has

[@zeusde86]

abit late to the show, but there is a sooooooo much easier may to migrate, especially your old and new diskset have the same "layout" just with bigger disks: 1) add the new disks to the pool with the same disk-layout as new vdev(s). so that you have e.G. one raid5 with 3+1 4T drives and another with 3+1 10T drives in the same pool 2) when the disks have sucessfully added, mark the other, old vdev for removal. this step will take long, because zfs will now shuffle around data in the background to free up the old disks. because there is enough space left in the pool then, this will work without any hickups. zfs will auto-distribute the data to the new drives, because it is the only possible place where the data can go to. in larger arrays this will be more spread out and balanced afterwards, depending on individual fill-grade of the vdevs and such, but here it would be straight-forward. Swapping all disks in a pool to bigger ones AND having the physical ports needed to have all disks attached all at the same time, is the best-case-scenario for this method. after everything is done, the old disks can be simply removed physically. another way would be to explicitly replace disk-by-disk. after all disks have been replaced, your pool should auto-grow, because now there is unused space on all disks which the pool can be extended to. both methods work equally well, the first one is just significantly faster, as it is only a single operation. also only usable data have to be moved, not empty blocks, so this will be faster, when the disks are not full.

[@Whylde-Tech]

Great video! The clueless homelabber in me appreciates your "guessing" heh.

[@HardwareHaven]

Hahaha I’m glad

[@JorgeEscobarMX]

I just love NAS videos.

[@fteoOpty64]

Love it when you just "wing" it.

[@ericromo3669]

ProxMox allows for containers as well as VMs....did you try adding Portainer directly in ProxMox? And Wireguard? If that works, no need for a Debian VM... Your thoughts please.

[@justinwhite797]

What's wrong with ventoy? Sometimes it's hard to reformat and repurpose the USB afterwards but it's really nifty to have one dedicated with windows, Linux, gparted etc iso ready to go

[@Bandicoot803]

5:03 - For heaven's sake! PLEASE PULL OUT the fan connectors BEFORE blowing compressed air through them as they generate a high enough voltage to fry your motherboard with ease.

[@David_Quinn1995]

I use that exact Icydock for my NAS its an old machine case with a Skylake CPU and some mix and match ram I added over time doing PC upgrades.

[@HardwareHaven]

Sounds like a fun machine!

[@therealsprint]

Short question. Is true nas better as openmediavault? I run OMV but I think true nas is interesting

[@michaelkane6797]

Just an observation as someone who is moving from OMV to TrueNAS Scale... one isn't necessarily "better" than the other, but TrueNAS is a better hypervisor if you want to run services beyond data storage. OMV is easier to install and do a base configuration as a NAS in my experience, although TrueNAS has more flexibility. That flexibility comes with a learning curve though, and like anything you "learn" on I've broken my installation several times. Currently I still have my OMV device in place, and if possible I would recommend experimenting with TrueNAS on another piece of hardware before wiping your existing storage solution. I'll end up with 2 servers... a TrueNAS hypervisor/Jellyfin server and my OMV box will get a storage upgrade, at which time I'll have to decide whether it stays OMV or becomes TrueNAS. I'm leaning toward keeping OMV running on it since it's a known quantity to me and TrueNAS is only recently out of beta. Good luck!

[@John117alon1]

Appreciate the video! I’ve been wondering what I’ll do “IF” I ever run out of space on my drives!

[@HardwareHaven]

Hahaha yeah I feel the same way. I can't imagine that will be anytime soon

[@josephmacomson5720]

Hey hardware haven I made a mc server and my server folders aren’t in mc-docker folder an I can’t find the. I found there container ID an looked at the logs but Idk what to do from there

[@Rockwolf50]

Do you have a long term plan for the 4tb drives? If not, you have the space in your case and an HBA. Why not just leave them in there and use them as a second pool for something?

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah I thought I mentioned that I had a plan for them in the video. There’s a video coming out soon that explains it all 👍🏻

[@ArcanesWorld]

Truenas recommends WD storage drives vs all others. Does it honestly matter???

[@anthonyrussano]

this is a great tutorial, my nas only has two pools, 1TB each so i will have to follow this pretty soon... what was that card you installed, a pcie

[@HardwareHaven]

I forgot the exact model, but you can Google SAS HBA for TrueNAS and find a lot of good resources. You’ll want something flashed with an IT mode firmware

[@serverlibre]

Hey, could you make a video on installing Nextcloud Docker? I'm having trouble with the process and would really appreciate some help. Thank you.

[@HardwareHaven]

At some point I’d love to!

[@KennethBenzie]

How is it you can log in with the haven user? All the forum posts I've seen say only the root user can be used for web ui login.

[@jpao36]

What is the name of this particular case? Looks like an old ANTEC... love it for this project.

[@HardwareHaven]

Antec 300

[@LeoLijo]

Great video as always

[@jaylord55]

just did same thing myself went from 3 4tb drives to 6 in raid z2 config old was a raid z1. I couldnt figure out how to do the replication task so i ended up just going with The copy paste method over smb on 2.5gig nic's it only took about 6 hours to copy all 7.6tb over wish i had seen this vid on the replication it probably would have went much faster and no annoying copying box on the screen

[@pousoupoux]

the only thing keeping me from building my nas is the hdd cost. make a tutorial about getting wd/seagate/toshiba to send us a bunch of drives too

[@HardwareHaven]

Sure! Just spend hundreds of hours planning, filming, writing, editing, and publishing videos! In all seriousness, I get it. You might look into renewed drives if you’re okay with taking a bit more risk.

[@jimholloway1785]

Is this a Dell computer you are using as your TrueNas server, if it is a Dell what model is it?

[@HardwareHaven]

No, it’s a super micro motherboard in an Antec case

[@jimholloway1785]

@@HardwareHaven thank you

[@jimholloway1785]

@@HardwareHaven Did you create a video when you built this TrueNas server with the super micro MB and Antec Case? I am currently watching another one of your videos on a nas build but I think you state you are using a HP mb, so I would like to see how you built this server before you did the HD swapout with the 10gb drives. thank you

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah sorry! I originally built it with that HP mobo, but swapped it out after I accidentally killed it.. lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2i9gapjftqMfZY

[@jimholloway1785]

@@HardwareHaven I found the video and watched it today. thanks for your videos. I am interested in TrueNAS Scale and watching all the videos I can on it.

[@notFoxils]

Ive been thinking about converting my old laptop (2 cores, 4 threads 2.1ghz) into a nas, but i also find it useful as a minecraft server (2-10) players, could i possibly run both at the same time? or would i need an upgrade to the cpu (i found a 4 core with hyper-threading at 3.2ghz)

[@Ultrakillisprettycool]

I could be missing something, but laptops don't allow you to upgrade CPUs, and if the one you have does, the CPIUs likely aren't compatible sockets.

[@notFoxils]

@@Ultrakillisprettycool no i have done some research and they do appear to be the same socket the 2 core with hyperthreading is an i3 2310m and the 4 core hyperthreading is an i7 2630QM

[@52thephotoshop]

@@notFoxils socket is irrelevant most laptops are not cpu or gpu upgradeable I highly doubt it. Get a Dell optifine off ebay you can get a quad core with hyper threading for like $200

[@RestInRaxys]

@@52thephotoshop Some old laptops could be upgraded.

[@bastian433]

You will likely have a problem with the cooling if you even succeed switching the cpu

[@afriendlynorwegianguy3284]

I don't know man, I had one of the Toshiba N300 4 terabyte variants. Not long after I installed it, it started squealing and destroying itself. Might have been a freak accident tho

[@HardwareHaven]

We’ll see haha.

[@Napert]

is it worth getting used toshiba/hgst 4tb drives for $50/ea. for very budget "nas"?

[@HardwareHaven]

Depends! I did a video on that just recently ($150 NAS video)

[@Jessehermansonphoto]

I just left TrueNas for Unraid. I loved TrueNas but I having set up my system with two 16 TB drives in raid Z1. I bought four more 16TB drives and tried to expand. Turns out I am not happy with raid z1… as I don’t want 3 drives for redundancy. Also, to my surprise, you can’t change it once you set it up. So, being ridiculously annoyed, I left for unraid. 2 for parity and four 16TB drives is much more reasonable

[@Jessehermansonphoto]

Basically I have 4 more disks that I could create a RaidZ but then I couldn’t add those other two disks to the same vdev later to have 6 disks in the vdev… the only way to do this is to maybe make a 3 disk raidz1 vdev and then replicate from the mirror to it and then use the mirror drives and the extra drive to create a second vdev? What a pain in the ace!

[@phillee2814]

@@Jessehermansonphoto You can (now) expand RAIDZ by adding one drive at a time. The only thing you can't do is migrate between levels of parity protection, e.g. from RAIDZ1 TO RAIDZ2, RAIDZ1 only uses one drive for parity, and needs at least three drives, so I don't know what you set up with two, but a mirror seems likely, which would indeed only add more mirrors of the same single drive if you tried to add to it. So your problem was thinking you had RAIDZ1 when you didn't. Not the fault of TrueNAS, I'm afraid, but somewhere between the chair and the keyboard ;-) To migrate everything into a RAIDZ2 configuration from where you were, you just need to set up the four new drives as a RAIDZ2 vdev and pool, copy the data from the mirror to the new pool, then unmount the old pool and destroy it, then add the disks back one at a time to the new pool, giving you 4+2 with 64TiB available. The only part which takes a while is copying the data over. You can even rename the original pool to old-pool and the new one, possibly starting out as new-pool, to pool once the old one is no longer occupying that namespace.

[@0deepak]

My NAS is running Windows 10 Pro, and it works great. I disabled the auto updates, and now I haven't rebooted in 2 months. Is anyone else using Windows?

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

what hardware are you using for NAS ?

[@HardwareHaven]

If it’s storage and attached to the network, I’d say it’s a real NAS. Windows wouldn’t be my go-to, but I definitely won’t discourage people from using it if it makes sense for them

[@0deepak]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 I am using an Intel NUC. It has a pentium Sliver J5040, 8 GB of ram, 256 GB SSD for Windows. For media storage, I am using 2x 4 TB Seagate Ironwolf NAS drives.

[@andreacaproni9305]

@@0deepak oooh this is literally my AIO PC I use everyday, same same! the mb itself it's tiny so easy to fit in a back of a monitor 😂

[@HardwareHaven]

Makes sense!

[@nanourbano]

How did you get a picture of the server under support?

[@HardwareHaven]

no clue.. lol

[@computerenthusiast402]

What do you think is the Best Motherboard/CPU combo for a PC-NAS ?

[@HardwareHaven]

Really depends on what you need it to do. For just a couple drives in RAID1 or something with gigabit Ethernet, you can basically run it on anything. If you want to get into things like 2.5/5/10GbE and more complex raid setups or if you want to run other services, it’s going to take a lot more. Assuming you want something fairly basic, 4th gen i3 systems are usually pretty affordable and aren’t too bad on power draw. If power is a bigger concern, look for systems with “mobile” CPUs. Just do some research and see how well it will work for your use case. Hope that helped

[@mitjajarc]

I'm going b450 asrock pro4 full atx with 3400G, after NY. Coz the smaller kid just got smallpox. I know overkill, but that't what I got laying around. 😅

[@keylanoslokj1806]

Can you setup your own vpn at home with minimal cost?

[@Reset91tm]

hi, do you know what is the power consumption of your build?

[@atomictesting6412]

He mentioned it in the original build video. Around 20 watts at idle, 20 flat when using it to watch movies/TV, and 37 watts when running a Minecraft server. (If I remember correctly)

[@mattclauss]

Do you still use that UnRAID setup or full TrueNAS Scale now?

[@HardwareHaven]

I use TN Scale for my personal NAS, but Unraid is a really good option, especially if you're wanting to do a lot of different things on it and storage isn't the absolute upmost concern. I actually hope to get back to some unraid videos early this year.

[@Fraggi77]

What was the HBA Card?

[@sutski0249]

could you teach us how to create server for ark survival pls ?

[@HardwareHaven]

Ooh maybe!

[@grryboo]

i like watching your videos because I started my system with almost the same spec... i5 655k with 16gb of ram and the same PSU lol

[@Pzdrs]

i see you're running ecc ram, unregistered that is I assume?

[@HardwareHaven]

Yep!

[@therealgamingfire]

Next he is gonna upgrade to 2 petabytes lol.

[@HardwareHaven]

Definitely not, haha 😂

[@kaspersergej]

The prn music in the background... :)

[@neilgorman9325]

What are you doing with all those Lenovos in the background?! 🤓

[@HardwareHaven]

Noooothiiiing….. 👀

[@JasonMeeks79]

Dang. I wish I could get new drives sent to me.

[@HardwareHaven]

Just make a bunch of videos. It’s easy! 👍🏻

[@alekzandru221]

Must be nice getting them ssd...fk expensive af...:,(

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah it's nice, and it's also taken hundreds of hours of my life making videos to "get them for free".

[@alekzandru221]

@@HardwareHaven Don't you get financial compensation from said hundreds of hours? On top of the "free" merch?

[@HardwareHaven]

@@alekzandru221 Yes, but what does that have to do with it? Also, the "free merch" I get sent is typically to make videos. A lof of people find value in them, and I can only make so many of them by buying everything myself. I seriously don't understand the point you're making...

[@alekzandru221]

@@HardwareHaven im just curious man. No harm meant. Lol

[@HardwareHaven]

You’re good. It can just get a little frustrating when people assume all I do is play around with computers and get free stuff for it lol

[@SrSilverstars]

Seemed very hard. For my personal use case, I will definitely be going with something more user friendly. Good job though.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah TrueNAS can kinda be a butt, but worth it for my use case. I'd give Unraid or OMV a go!

[@cyberpunk9487]

I see 3 Lenovo mini pcs in the backround on the bottom right. So Im assuming your going to do a cluster with them. Proxmox, XCP-ng just a guess. SHHHHHHH spoilers

[@HardwareHaven]

Possibly, as long as I can get them to work 👀

[@cyberpunk9487]

@@HardwareHaven You'l figure it out l your really good XCP-ng is easy to do but all you have to consider is ha or distributed storage proxmox basically same deal just setup the replication task

[@HardwareHaven]

No, I mean I have to get the PCs to work at all haha

[@cyberpunk9487]

@@HardwareHaven o sorry. But getting the pc to work at all is a one of the funniest responses to something like that

[@willcurry6964]

I dont have a NAS but if I did I would not have any spinning drives....way too slow. Nvme is the way to go.........

[@HardwareHaven]

As cool as that would be... I like getting a lot more storage while still being capped by my 2.5GbE network lol. Multiple spinning disks in RAID + ZFS + a fair a mount of RAM can be surprisingly fast.

[@jzlproductions3908]

Hii

[@HardwareHaven]

Hi

[@yousouf4047]

Your videos makes so jelous lol

[@lelandY2K]

holy SHITE im early

[@HardwareHaven]

Yep! 1st actually lol

[@mig8979]

😁

[@jorgegomez374]

I just found your channel, I saw your promox video got interested. Great job

[@HardwareHaven]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@infradragon]

I am sorry but this video is triggering for me asit reminds me of when my father used to beat me with a rope. do not think it is appropriate to post content that could be triggering for others and hope the person who made this video will consider the impact it has on their audience.

[@ProximoNovio]

There is a easier way with all drives plugged in you jist type in /sudo del all -f sda0*9