Upgrading the CPU in the $5 Windows 98 PC! - Can It Run at 1 GHz?

[@MichaelMJD]

The followup to this video is now up! In it, I try to update the BIOS and see if we can get the FSB set to 133 MHz. Here it is! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaK0qmyBlJaMn6s

[@picklr3893]

Cool

[@dionsyran2]

I have a small problem with windows 98, I have a Pentium 4 but it thinks its Pentium 3

[@PAINNN666]

733 MHz pentium is almost same as XBOX Original.

[@procta2343]

i wonder if you could squeeze windows 7 on this, with it running windows vista

[@HristoVidinov]

Hey michael i got intel i9 14th generation 6Ghz i can give it to you or not

[@DavstrWrexham]

Actually, the reason its only running at 600mhz is because the FSB is set to 100mhz. If you set it to 133, you'll get the full 733mhz. Also, adding a CPU fan is a definite must for such a cpu

[@ViperJay5]

@BrackynMor Yep, it's the bus speed that is throttling down the machine. It's more than likely the RAM is running at 100MHz aka PC100 RAM which will automatically make the FSB be cut down from 133 to 100. I'd definitely look for PC133 RAM, double sided 256MBs to be exact. Usually single sided 256MB sticks didn't work with older machines like this.

[@Natures_Intentions]

A bigger heatsink and fan should be used for the faster CPU.

[@ViperJay5]

@@Natures_Intentions It may or may not be necessary. It could probably benefit at the least but having the heatsink so close to the exhaust fan, it's not like some of the older PCs that only had a heatsink and no fan at all.

[@Sabrintwitt3r]

@@Natures_Intentions I think the PSU takes care of that job

[@warrax111]

No, FSB set at 100 Mhz, means multiplier of 6. And 6x133 is 800 Mhz. There have to be other problem, not 100 FSB.

[@Haiden4334]

Maybe a bios update will fix the issue because it looks like it does half support the cpu.

[@everyonesloopy]

that, and maybe some jumper settings for the FSB? he did mention the 1Ghz CPU ran at 100MHz FSB, so maybe that's also a problem?

[@Haiden4334]

@@everyonesloopy it would be more likely the 733 one would need set because it runs at a higher FSB than the 1ghz

[@everyonesloopy]

@@Haiden4334 or that, i just mean a jumper setting in general as most if not all motherboards from that time required it if you wanted to use a CPU at a different FSB other than the one that the original CPU ran at

[@Reziac]

100MHz should be fine with 133MHz bus; it was backward-compatible. (Not so with 66MHz FSB, which was a crapshoot.) It looks to me like it is running at 100MHz bus, tho, which would make the 733 run at about 600. Might be limited by PC100 RAM; try PC133.

[@DxDeksor]

@@Reziac the original i810 chipset is limited to 100MHz FSB, so that's probably a chipset limitation.

[@ne0ndev648]

Interesting! Make sure you make a GPU upgrade video! Loving the $5 98PC Series!

[@MichaelMJD]

Awesome to hear that! Thanks so much. I do have a couple more videos planned involving this PC!

[@ne0ndev648]

@@MichaelMJD A suggestion: Installing Windows 7 Lite on the $5 W98PC!

[@marcp.]

At the end the 5$ PC will be a Windows 10 Gaming PC with Raytracing...

[@Reziac]

This was possibly my favorite era of hardware, so I'm finding this all kinds of fun. I might have to join you in a retro, with its twin. :D

[@RWL2012]

with a 90w PSU, forget it

[@braxtonbunner4990]

Never clicked so fast on one of your videos. Thanks for sharing great content.

[@MichaelMJD]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching the videos

[@okyanusozsahin3439]

This comment deserves more likes!

[@tomharrison9280]

Windows 7 would almost certainly run on this now, 512MB of RAM is just enough, at least for Tiny7

[@rebeccadale6335]

Maby win 7 starter

[@silentsiIver1]

@the awesome gamer Yes, you’re right! Win7 starter runs just fine on 512MB RAM!

[@trongduc8659]

What about the Windows Thin PC ver.?

[@TheOriginalJGuns]

the fsb is showing 100 instead of 133 in the bios. clock multiplier should be 5.5 @133Mhz, giving you 733Mhz.

[@2dfx]

The i810 chipset doesn't support 133FSB. 66 or 100 only.

[@udoeiblmaier25]

@@2dfx This Board has the 810E wich is supporting a FSB of 133.

[@enveedee]

I there not a jumper on the mainboard to select the 100/133 setting ? That was common those days instead of a bios setting :-)

[@nobushi]

I never get tired of the Win98 machine, please do more experiments!

[@MichaelMJD]

Glad to hear it! I have a couple more videos planned involving this computer

[@dyter424]

"600E" is actually the processor model. The E suffix indicates a Coppermine Pentium III, built on the 180 nm process, to differentiate it from the earlier Katmai core (250 nm). B means 133 MHz FSB. So, the CPU you just installed is a Pentium III 733EB, the BIOS reports 600E likely because your motherboard doesn't support the 133 MHz FSB speed and is running at just 100 MHz.

[@MichaelMJD]

The full model name is actually just the Pentium III 733. This specific CPU's s-spec number is SL4M8. It appears that the system is only recognizing it as a 600E CPU as it only runs at 600 MHz. And yes, the Bus speed seems to be the issue here.

[@thedungeondelver]

@@MichaelMJD Have you tried overclocking? Can you step up the bus speed or clock speed, or both?

[@BobPony]

Did you try updating the BIOS to the latest?

[@MichaelMJD]

It appears to be running the latest BIOS version.

[@2dfx]

@@MichaelMJD It isn't. You're running P03. P06 is the latest version....it might come with the updated microcode you need to get the 1Ghz chip working!

[@VectraQS]

I've got a similar Gateway. Find me the drivers for these things and I'll go find you a unicorn.

[@phreeze83]

Googling the bios strinf also tells us that p03 is the default bios and theres a p06 out there ;)

[@MichaelMJD]

@@2dfx You're right! I was able to get the newer BIOS version. However, it's unfortunately not as simple as just updating the BIOS.

[@fishmanloveslinux7978]

Michael that was a very cool video! I love experimental type videos. I would try something like that if I had the equipment to try it on. I have a thing for old laptops like the Compaq Armada and old software. Keep up the awesome work! : = )

[@MichaelMJD]

thank you so much!

[@MaskedGEEK]

When Michael got his email from Austin, did anyone think the opening of that email was “Hey guys, it’s me .... Austin”

[@simtitan1]

Yup. First thing I thought of.

[@TheRealHomelander1961]

Austin Evans

[@someguy872]

I really enjoy your videos, Keep up the good work!

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you! Will do

[@naikjoy]

You are treating this old system better than I did my 8600k with 32gb when putting it together.

[@KomradeMikhail]

You definitely need a BIOS flash from P03 to P06. Is the Northbridge an 810, or an 810E chipset ?... This can make a difference as the base 810 doesn't support 133 MHz, but the 810E does. Did you try _hard_ resetting the CMOS Battery Jumper to fully clear the FSB and Multiplier ?? Whitney Northbridge supposedly only supports a Clock Multiplier maximum of 9.0x, so that 1000 MHz chip will likely never run. Or at least not at full speed, even if a BIOS update does add the correct Microcode to recognize it. Though getting 900 Mhz in this machine would still be amazing. If it is actually an 810E chipset with 133 MHz support, with a BIOS update you might be able to get a 1000EB to run full speed (SL4C8, SL4MF, SL52R, SL5B3, SL5DV, SL5FQ, SL4WM). Or even a 1133 MHz (SL5B2, SL4YV) End Of Line. But have fun trying to hunt down the best sSpec unicorn to work in a locked OEM mobo !... You should have an impressive collection of chips later if you do go down this rabbit hole.

[@RWL2012]

would have been funny if after Can It Run... it said "Crysis" :P "at 1GHz" will suffice though!

[@metalmusic1401]

With these types of motherboards and CPUs you need to clear the CMOS and also have a bios update in order for them to fully support the latest compatible CPUs. You also need to check and see whether there are any jumpers on the motherboard for configuring the CPU base frequency and multiplier

[@KoopaKid660]

Try Windows 7. If the 98 PC can run Vista, it could, in theory, run Windows 7.

[@Bernardoskau]

Fun fact: it does.

[@joeshmoe000]

I've got a lot of experience with the Pentium III platform. Pretty much any CPU up to 1GHz will run in any mobo. Maybe if the BIOS was updated it would work. The problem is the tualatin > 1.0GHz cpus which only run in select hardware. CPU adapters exist and occasionally they let you run a > than 1G in a normal mobo. There also exists a guy from Korea on ebay that hacked the 1.4GHz cpus. Type "1.4GHz pentium III socket adapter" into ebay. It's not actually a socket adapter though; it's a hack. He just called it that for when people are searching for that.

[@breakingaustin]

The original CPU was an SL 3BA not 38A btw for anyone confused by that XD

[@js7698]

Overclocking o:

[@ViperJay5]

Check to see if both RAM modules are PC133, if even 1 is PC100, your FSB will be throttled down from 133 to 100MHz. But in older machines like this, usually if you wanted to use 256MBs of RAM, you must find the double sided modules as the single sided modules generally only worked in later machines. I know for a fact my Dell Optiplex GX110 was picky like this but it was able to handle the SL52R 1GHz processor, no problem, as long as both RAM modules were PC133.

[@Windows_98]

upgrades people, upgrades.

[@RodrigoBadin]

Could you try the unofficial Windows 98 Service Pack 3 on the $5 PC?

[@tipstricksss1453]

I always found that gave problems.

[@alangarner6990]

Someone else may have pointed this out but you need to change the front side bus speed from 100 to 133. There should be a setting in the bios or jumpers to set on the motherboard. Best of luck.

[@Nici1188]

As somebody who has 0 pc understanding i see your videos as an abselute win if i'm bored

[@WindowsProfessional-ov6xr]

And to think, we are nearing the 5GHz barrier. How times have changed.

[@blacktoaster]

Does the BIOS have an option to change the Front Side Bus (FSB)? Your CPU is set up for a 133 MHz FSB, but the BIOS says it the FSB is 100 MHz. You might also need to check your RAM and make sure it can run at 133 MHz.

[@MichaelMJD]

I double checked it it displays the FSB speed as 100MHz but there is no option to change it. I believe that the BIOS version it currently has is the latest, as I cannot find a newer version online. The BIOS date is 4/4/00. There are similar boards that have downloads for newer BIOS versions but this one does not seem to be one of them.

[@blacktoaster]

Bummer! Unless we can find a workaround 600 MHz may be the best you can do.

[@Pasi123]

Is there any jumpers on to mobo to change FSB?

[@xBruceLee88x]

Hey you did it, nice. Like the others are saying check bios, there may also be a FSB jumper or some switches on the board

[@tipstricksss1453]

When changing a CPU it helps to remove the CMOS battery and wait 10 minutes to reset the BIOS otherwise the computer will not post. When I'm working on vintage computers I open the PSU just to check there are no bulging electrolytics to save any any faults further down the line.

[@maniatore2006]

Thank you for the Video :) it always entertain me :) brings back Memories :)

[@blainepalmerza]

Awesome video,Michael!

[@MichaelMJD]

thanks!

[@vincenthiggins6091]

I was in a pawn shop one day and saw this nice little gateway laptop that the pawn shop was advertising that it was running Windows 7. As it turns out when I get home and turn it on it is actually running XP and also learned that the operating system was heavily corrupted so I reinstalled the os and got it corrected. I was only then left with the issue of putting the correct drivers back on and found out that gateway has a website where I found everything that has to do with the specific model of the computer including the bioses. With any luck maybe your computer will still be in the database.

[@MichaelMJD]

I looked on Gateway's site and found a support page where you can select your PC's model which is probably what you're talking about. Unfortunately I did not see this model on there. Guess it's just too old

[@eg1885]

Any jumpers on the board for configuring cpu speed? If so, the 1 ghz might still work.

[@ages2001]

Your videos ara awesome!!! Please more video...

[@ZeaZolf]

Put the maximum processor in the 98 PC, Michael. I think it would be awesome.

[@VectraQS]

Well, I just found out something about my own Essential. I never realized that the Mendocino Celeron and the Pentium III were both Socket 370 processors. Oh, next time I'm back home for the weekend, I'm going to have a bit of fun with that thing. I have a Dell Dimension 4100 with 512MB of PC133 RAM and a 733 MHz PIII -- parts I'll use to push that Gateway to its limits.

[@RodrigoBadin]

Also, you could try the AutoPatcher 2007 for Windows 98 SE to be able to run more recent software and devices on Windows 98.

[@pvc988]

Smart move, not showing thermal paste application. For some weird reason, it seems to be very ummm… delicate topic for many people.

[@hugosimoes5119]

Not mentioning that there seems to be missing cpu fan.

[@macecail]

Try Windows Longhorn on $5 dollar win98 pc Also, I love your videos, Keep it up

[@sedrosken831]

I'm actually quite surprised to see a PPGA Celeron on an i810 board. I thought PPGA370 did the signalling differently from FC-PGA370.

[@shaggytheshaman]

If anybody else is wondering, let me save you a bunch of time -- there is no such thing as "The $5 Windows 98 PC." He just found a Windows 98 PC at the thrift store for $5 once. Don't waste your time Googling to figure out what he's talking about.

[@armeniancrusader301]

8:08 I bet that Pentium III was overheating with that tiny heatsink wich was made to handle a Celeron but not a Pentium III.

[@Commodore_Plus4]

The 5 dollar Windows 98 PC Is becoming a 200 dollar Windows 98 PC with all the upgrades!

[@neilychoppers841]

Great video as always, perhaps you could install a pci graphics card?

[@MichaelMJD]

I want to! Looking into that currently. Getting a graphics card for this thing would be awesome!

[@RWL2012]

@@MichaelMJDPSU would need upgrading

[@harexe6306]

I got asked today if i wanted an old tower at my school, i said yes,i was expecting something like cor2duo or some early i3 but what i got was an pentium 3 based pc with 256mb of ram, riva 128 and a scsi 36gb 10k rpm hdd and i took it without thinking a second

[@vipervidsgamingplus5723]

Nice

[@vjnobody]

Methinks you're going to need a bios upgrade, and a fan :)

[@TheDukeOfZill]

ah celeron.. i get a kick at how crappy it was back in the day, yet the g4920 is literally the 8700k, but less cores and half the cache. it still games just as good.

[@rexracer3005]

The total price of this computer isn’t 5$ anymore xD

[@namesurname4666]

now it's $10

[@pijussimkevicius6149]

Amazing as always!

[@MichaelMJD]

thanks!

[@crystalscan2002]

that 1.0ghz going fry without directfan on it

[@The90stv91]

Now can you please do a series of you upgrading the PC to windows 10 from windows 1.0?

[@OVQ2]

i didnt know that intel cpu sockets back in the day looked like modern day ryzen ones

[@Arhentir]

Your mobo must be have jumpers for FSB selection.Switch it to 133mhz speed.

[@Reziac]

I gotta drag its twin upstairs (ugh, it's really heavy -- tricked out with every add-on card known to man) and see what can be done with it. Lots of BIOSs of that era, you have to manually set a speed higher than the CPU's minimum default, or it'll run at its slowest supported speed. CPU auto-detect was not yet reliable, or more often entirely absent. It may also have a jumper that needs setting for the higher bus speed, or may be limited by PC100 RAM (try PC133 in it). I have another one that's similar, same era, that will always come up at 500MHz, and you have to go into BIOS and tell the dumb thing that it is actually 800MHz. Some of 'em just did not remember from one boot to the next. Seen this enough times to think it's a bug from that transitional era when CPUs finally got past the early 440BX barrier (usually 550MHz). And if you want to unload that 1GHz CPU... I know a P3 that would love to have it. :D

[@iamsethiam]

Maybe you can post a video tour of your PC and all its add-in card glory. Did you fill the ISA slots?

[@Reziac]

That's an idea, if I ever start doing videos. (Why I have subscribers escapes me.) Been a long time since I looked inside but IIRC it has vidcard, video capture card, NIC, modem, sound card, SCSI card, and maybe a couple others that I don't remember (might also have a SATA adapter and an extra IDE adapter). It was salvage and was never actually put into service at my house, but definitely too good to toss out.

[@nigelcooper1191]

Please don’t for get to update the $5 windows 98 pc playlist whenever you do a video on this topic!

[@21gryzon]

Are You going to "max out" the ports as well? I mean plug in something to every port this PC has. I've always wanted to do that!

[@patricktrakzel9657]

At 1.04 the processor shown is a 900 Mhz ( 9 x 100 Mhz ) processor and not a 733 ( 5.5 x 133 which btw is 731.5 ).

[@theotherdashmelted]

Ideal $5 98 PC - 256MB DDR-333 or whatever type of ram they used back then 10GB Hard Drive Pentium III 733MHZ (133MHZ FSB)

[@BritishToggled]

Late 90’s pc: cant run 1 GHZ with mods My small pc: laughs in 3.10 ghz

[@Alex-cn4ct]

next video: playing crysis on the windows 98 pc

[@_lun4r_]

Not possible. This PC is still too weak to play Crysis.

[@RWL2012]

there's a video of Crysis on a 500 or 600 MHz Pentium III but with a GeForce 6200, running at about 6-12fps on lowest settings. so this PC stuck on its onboard video has no chance

[@singletona082]

put the unofficial windows 98 service pack 3 on there. And of course attempt to see if the bios can be updated along with a graphics card of some sort. Because taking a piece of hardware as far as it can go interests me.

[@GoldenTrumpet24]

The pentium 3 pc I had with basically the same specs handled the latest Debian without problems. Might make a good video.

[@angieandretti]

It shows 600 mhz because that's what you get with a 100mhz system bus. Bus X Multiplier = CPU speed. To get 733 you need 133mhz fsb. There may be jumper(s) on the Mobo to set fsb speed, although 100 may also be the best it can do.

[@MichaelMJD]

Unfortunately that is not an option on this particular board. I have a followup video coming detailing the whole thing

[@mattd5719]

An ssd upgrade via a pci to sata connection and a molex to sata power would be a good video to watch. Maybe update the bios as well and you will be golden. 👌 Then get to some online multiplayer in 2020 on a 5 dollar gaming pc.

[@retrochristmas7329]

Im not planning on being here much longer if you know what i mean. I have some nice old hp laptops a zd8000, ze4700, dv2000 special edition, and some other interesting machines. Ide like them to go to somebody who would care for them since collecting them brought me alot of joy. Ide rather my family not have to deal with cleaning up all my stuff. If you want them i would be happy to send them to you as long as you take care of them. Let me know.

[@qwerty343d5]

I just realized how much you sound like one of the friends. It's kind of surreal hearing you talk actually.

[@valterc]

Update BIOS, check the jumpers in the motherboard, try to change the FSB in the BIOS, it seems to be running at 100MHz not 133Mhz.

[@hugosimoes5119]

chipset limiation

[@StevenSmyth]

This is my second viewing. I know others have mentioned this but just in case I’d install the chipset drivers and up the FSB to 133. Chipset drivers will probably get you better integrated graphics performance, or you could spend some and get a PCI graphics card. I’d do the latter.

[@adg1355]

i810 supports 66 and 100 MHz FSB only. P3 733 uses 133x6, so it's the best one can get from this bundle.

[@eveangreen8801]

aw man the psu cools the cpu so i can only imagine how hot the poor pentium was when he was testing it without the psu bolted in

[@macinjosh2223]

absolutely mind boggling

[@francescoceresa123]

Try to update the bios. And I am courios to see how win xp perform with your recent hw upgrades

[@rostyc]

Or Windows 7

[@alanschlieper]

It's not running at 733 because even though that is the slower processor, and it was spec'd at FSB at 133, but if you notice, when you get into the BIOS, the FSB has been slowed down to 100Mhz.

[@GAMMAXII]

Are you sure the 1ghz cpu isn't dead? I've got a 440bx gateway with an 1100mhz Pentium 3 and it works fine, even shows 1100mhz in bios. It wasn't uncommon for FC-PGA chips without a IHS to die if there was a microscopic crack on the die from uneven mounting pressure.

[@babaruskie]

My first pc build I made was with this Tualatin p3 1ghz cpu and I used it in a board designed for only a 733 mhz board. It ran well for over 4 years before I upgraded it. Except the zif socket broke mounting the heat sync and had to rma the board. Stupid socket 370!

[@Connorplayer123]

This is as fast as my phone

[@james42519]

update bios. also should use fan

[@iammrsparkle84]

I'd definitely throw a fan in there either on the CPU cooler or on the back as an exhaust. Curious how the 733MHz CPU was running at 600MHz. 733 = 133MHz FSB x 5.5. 100MHz FSB would then yield 550MHz. Where would it be getting its multiplier of 6?

[@hugosimoes5119]

from bios/cpu microcode/hardware level

[@iammrsparkle84]

@@hugosimoes5119 Wouldn't it be reporting a 5.5 multiplier though?

[@hugosimoes5119]

@@iammrsparkle84 that he can fiddle... probably not. he would need to give an overview of all pages of the bios. 5.5x133 yes it's 733mhz 6x100=600 and 5.5x100=550 we need to recall that intel used to have multiplier blocked to avoid normal computer shops to overclock cpus and steal the profit.

[@iammrsparkle84]

@@hugosimoes5119 That Gateway BIOS would not have user-modifiable FSB and multiplier settings. I guess the CPU is just negotiating what speed it can run at given the motherboard's limitations. CPU: "Hey, I want a 133MHz FSB" Mobo: "I can't do 133MHz; here's 100MHz" CPU: "OK, can you do a 7 multiplier?" Mobo: "Nope, I only go up to 6" CPU: ""600MHz it is then"

[@powerslave0606]

Installing GPU next?

[@MasayukiYakumo]

I used to have a Gigabyte i440BX, somehow by using a socket 370 adapter it can support Pentium III 866MHz by changing a series of jumper combinations....at that time it felt awesome~ Maybe should do some change with this mb here?

[@BALtimore2001]

Was the Celeron in this based on a Pentium II or III???

[@MrLuisMaldonado]

Hello Michael it would be awesome if you could get a dedicated graphics card for this machine and try games from the late 90's early 2000's era.

[@mraaron1584]

update the bios. something else u might want to try. the ide cable your using is a 40wire ata 66 maybe swap it out for a 80wire ata 100/133 might make booting a tiny bit faster depends if the hd controller supports ata 100/133 but even it dont it wont hurt to swap it out anyway.

[@white_mask13]

Did you update the BIOS?

[@AnthonyP2A]

Is there a CPU/MHZ jumper on the motherboard?

[@jasonhawkins4528]

maybe a Bios upate will run the 1 GHZ CPU

[@darkestlost]

Do you think to upgrade the bios on motherboard?

[@gregsmith9183]

Usually good videos but this was useless. Didn't explaint anything about the motherboard model. All I got was the motherboard is too old and doesn't work with the newer CPUs. Which can be summed up in a few minutes.

[@kokodin5895]

celeron coppermine 566 cd0 stepping is the funniest celeron ever made because after covering bsel1 and bsel2 pins on the cpu it can run either at 850mhz or 1,14ghz i had 2 of them and both of them had dual cpu pin active so they could even run in dual cpu board also 1,5V core and very cold chips, they didn't require overvolting or big coolers for 1,14ghz overclock i810 is kind of unfortunate chipset, still it have qdr chipset link but it is teoreticaly limited to 100bus and no agp i would check the power suply because early pentium 3 coppermines like to hog power on 5V rail and some power suplies simply don't like that via apollo 133 t chipsets would take up to 2gb of ram and up to 1,7ghz overclocked tualatin celerons by the way

[@Tom2404]

I also have a Socket 370 PIII 1GHz. I need the right Slocket to fit it into my Slot 1 rdram board.

[@GigantTech]

now the 5 dollar Windows 98 need a new graphics card

[@foley2k2]

If the FSB can hit 133 and it's a 733Mhz chip, you should be able to get 800.

[@kaden6297]

Make it work like a 2017 pc!

[@juusopikkarainen2083]

Next, try to find best graphics card that supports your system.

[@ackman3981]

Has the BIOS even been updated?

[@musicandfilms9956]

I'm going to just go ahead and watch this video... and now I'm going to go ahead and make a comment to ask if this was made by the manager from Office Space.

[@xmodsgaming]

Would be good for old school gaming windows 98 games like doom 2 and hidden and dangerous and GTA 3 and yeah try to flash the BOIS

[@DxDeksor]

I doubt the CPU is maxed out. That CPU is underclocked probably because of the limited FSB speed your i810 chipset is limited to. If you can't use the 1GHz Pentium 3 it may be because its not properly supported by your current BIOS, but maybe Gateway have released updates to support this CPU ?

[@tiagomarques7149]

Check the MB FSB Jumpers to run at 133mhz otherwise it only use 100mhz of FSB