Installing a Graphics Card in the $5 Windows 98 PC..... Maybe

[@christoffer4862]

11:40 when the FAT floppy error ocurred, it changed your floppy disk size from 1.4 to 2.3 MB. You must've discovered a DOS-bug.

[@ggorg0]

And I think that this maybe corrupted some files like nvflash.exe and maybe the bios file too. Try doing all of that again on a different floppy and video output form integrated graphics.

[@christoffer4862]

@@ggorg0 12:10 he didn't use that floppy and redid everything off-camera with the other disk.

[@dedr4m]

Basically the bug that happens when SMARTDRV is running, it's the BIOS calls that had the bug, had the same issue with my Gateway PC, it's because they locked down the BIOS support for hardware as much as they can so for example their customers couldn't replace the CPU with certain speed CPUs, etc... I tried to change out the celeron in mine with a P3 and it wouldn't even POST yet the CPU worked fine in another board.... Also it didn't like HDDs between 30GB and 80GB, so a 120GB HDD would work fine yet a 60GB HDD would corrupt regularly.

[@simontay4851]

That is weird. Gateway are mean bastards.

[@DoggyBingBong]

floppy disk duplication glitch

[@OliveIsTyping]

Who Would’ve thought that a $5 windows 98 pc would have brought so much entertainment

[@DavidPavicic1]

yeahhhhh lol

[@revupofficial]

True

[@WindowsXP9092]

Yeah lol

[@tobiaskress2964]

Best 5$ Investition

[@wiktor6501]

This is a fake account

[@dani.munoz.a23]

“Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.”

[@c101vp]

Ah yes, Murphy's law At least I think so

[@markusTegelane]

@@c101vp yes, that is exactly what Murphy's law is

[@stoutscientist]

@@c101vp lol

[@natemusiconyt]

Yes Sir

[@thealien_ali3382]

Lol

[@HughMiller98]

Can we appreciate that Michael didn't throw the computer out the window with all the issues he had to fix?

[@superJK92]

Or the GPU

[@Akotski-ys9rr]

the fun part of it is figuring out how to fix it

[@probanity]

When my computer has issues, I try and fix them or move on, avoiding to yeet my computer out of my window.

[@conturnplayscounturn6911]

i'm starting to run out of computers to yeet

[@jamesphillipshort]

@@conturnplayscounturn6911 yeeting computers gets expensive... well fixing them is expensive too. So let's give Michael MJD some love and help him.

[@heyitsyeabutidkklol]

in 7:29 - 18:00 Michael tried to re-flash the GPU’s BIOS, and after looking at the footage, I found the reason it failed. When he was using the Nvidia BIOS editor tool, (NiBiTor, seen at 16:09) I saw that the card model selected was the *AGP* variant of the FX 5200, and looking back at 5:55, I saw in the label that it read, “...FX5200 *PCI* 128MB” so the BIOS file was expecting the AGP variant, but got the PCI variant instead.

[@Aryx_]

You are quite smart indeed, I wished that Michael saw this comment

[@disastra_tds]

Fuck. That's rights yeah

[@sklungofunk]

wow a technical issue i actually understood in this series of video, im surprised of myself

[@seraph4911]

A wise man once said “when in doubt dump the bios.”

[@toara]

A wise man once said "When in doubt unplug your blue-ray drive"

[@dabigbadwolf5081]

What can go wrong 🤷‍♂️

[@scottshields113]

A wise man also said. "This was a foolish endeavor to start to begin with."

[@gneurshk4906]

@@toara lol

[@TheDrinkerOfWater]

Lol

[@jdatlas4668]

I'll be honest, I almost forgot this existed. Quite happy to see it back!

[@Jake1702]

Wouldn't be a Michael MJD video without at least 7 things going wrong.

[@GumSkyloard]

Thumbnail - "Everything went wrong" Oh, this gon' be good. VERY good.

[@MrKillswitch88]

Just a word of caution is that the power supplies for these machines are known to fail and I had to learn the hardway. By the way these low end office toasters do pretty well with a 3DFX card like a voodoo 2 even though it is pretty expensive these days.

[@bokexd3173]

yea,but he wants aero on vista or 7

[@gasrim]

@@bokexd3173 He could Try a Ati equivalent...

[@RWL2012]

Yep, I said repeatedly in comments NOT to install a graphics card with that 90w power supply installed.

[@bokexd3173]

@@gasrim he wants to have drivers for most of windows(everything from win95 to 7 or smthing

[@CobsTech]

is it caps that go pop or something bigger?

[@eartheternal3565]

I used to work on arcade games and from the line artifacts onscreen I can tell you that this card was toast from the start. Thanks for the always entertaining videos!

[@ashisharky]

That background music is engraved in my head. I SWEAR TO GOD ITS THE SAME THING DANKPODS USES FOR HIS HEADPHONE COMPARISONS.

[@mofukitt]

EXACTLY

[@Eyetrauma]

Maybe you tried this, but generally when you reflash a video bios the recommendation is to do a cold boot afterward (presumably because the card remains active across reboots). If it truly is bricked you can probably desolder the flash and reprogram it, this was something we commonly had to do back in the days when there were Mac specific PCI video cards that had a premium price just for a different BIOS revision.

[@titanderp]

I can't help but feel that in a few months this PC will be called, "The Ultimate $5 PC".

[@supermariostreaming2002]

The Ultimate $5 Windows 98 PC

[@boreal3255]

Its not 5 dollars no more

[@toara]

@@boreal3255 originally it was 5$ so technically it counts

[@boreal3255]

@@toara in total its probably like 200$ now

[@toara]

@@boreal3255 ye :) but i think mostly the hardwares are viewer donations

[@kxppy2037]

DankPods fans are still humming this background music

[@bokexd3173]

oh my pkcell

[@misterspokkynads420]

yes indeed

[@InsanityPrevails]

YES!

[@tailsprower9542]

Indeed :)

[@doq]

I didn't hear it at first and now I can't unhear it.

[@JZX1673]

Now the spooky music is going to play on my head whenever I face dumb glitches lmao thank you

[@helmaschine1885]

I'm so untechnical I have nightmares about tech issues I can't even understand. These videos are nightmare fuel, but your calm voice and demeanor make it worth it

[@Jake1702]

@@zzco When did he say unethical?

[@markio1105]

I just came from a DankPods video and this one has the same music it's fascinating

[@DigiVore.official]

same here

[@AuroraNemoia]

"fascinating"? I feel like ripping my ears out

[@markio1105]

@@AuroraNemoia well it's a pretty good song though

[@Josuh]

@@AuroraNemoia Yeah, *fascinating*

[@Sabrintwitt3r]

Is that Is that the freakish ears on a stand theme?

[@exaltedb]

Murphy’s Law but it’s disguised as a 20-minute computer video

[@Mellence]

When the disks were getting messed up your reaction is exactly what I would have done and I kept giggling

[@sugaryhull9688]

These cards are also just infamous for dying like that (see MattKCs Ultimate 98 PC videos)

[@christoffer4862]

I had THREE GeForce FX5500 AGP and all of them failed like this.

[@sugaryhull9688]

@@christoffer4862 I was honestly surprised the 98 PC still POSTed at first

[@SharpShoot3r_14]

Is this issue also common for another GPU's like GeForce 3 Series?

[@Twintania]

when i got my family computer i played on growing up it would go to a black screen after a while, Turns out the fx 5200's fan had seized up so i took off the fan and the sticker and got greased the bearings with penetrating oil and now it works again although does smell like penetrating oil lol

[@christoffer4862]

@@Twintania my FX5500 didn't have any fans.

[@aviumcaravan]

i already like that there's a post-apocalypse package sent through the postal service

[@Jonas42134]

Your hands are doing freaky things when you're doing voiceovers

[@swissbrony23ch72]

I´m happy that the Series of the 5$ Windows 98PC still exists! Keep it going MJD, Greetings from Switzerland!

[@Auxiliary000]

I Don't know Why but you're highly recommended for me in KZbin ...and it's true...your channel is awesome.

[@noobmaster-dm7tu]

Yes! My dream of 480p video editing on Windows 98

[@nekrugderzweite8298]

Are you the one sending that? / Bist du aus deutschland? ^^

[@thealien_ali3382]

Can u pop me

[@noobmaster-dm7tu]

@@nekrugderzweite8298 hahaha, no

[@thealien_ali3382]

@@noobmaster-dm7tu can u pop me

[@kaitlyn__L]

I noticed when your disks appeared to duplicate, the bytes used matched while the bytes remaining were different. I’m guessing the larger bytes remaining on the other disk represented the real disk usage, with the bios.bin and everything. Seems like the file allocation table got screwed up, somehow transferred over as part of the refreshing process. Maybe a race condition or something.

[@CanalDEWILAPI]

I once had an ATi Radeon that before died showed vertical lines like the ones on your video. Find another, this one overheated sometime and damaged the GPU.

[@TheNews1990]

I would just remove the heatsink, and reapply / replace the 20 year old thermal paste / thermal pads.

[@aKuBiKu]

@@TheNews1990 That wouldn't reverse any damage though

[@Reziac]

Yeah, looked like the card was trying to die, and that really caused all the problems.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

Yeah its a 5200. Just get a ew one.

[@DangNguyen-xx3zi]

Sure. let's just go down to the nearest store and pick up another 20 year old GPU

[@GeoStreber]

FX 5200? Isn't that literally the worst GeForce card ever made?

[@JanglePangle]

That explains why he got it for free

[@SharpShoot3r_14]

Yes, maybe... But it doesn't change the fact that it is actually pretty good for playing games from W98 era.

[@lordmmx1303]

it's an 3dfx technology packed into geforce core, totally badly. they tried to squeze something from 3dfx buyout but results were... well... baaaad

[@schmatzler]

Man, even a GeForce 4 MX would've been a better card than that. :D

[@prodeusunity7393]

no the worst was the gs7100 cant even get 2fps in crysis

[@GrzybDev]

I think you should have used nvflash with /save argument to dump bios, and then reflash it with nvflash I'm not sure if that dumpbios app saved it in same format as nvflash expects

[@JPX64Channel]

This channel never dissappoints :) you have a lot patience

[@gp3328]

Looks really good Michael it was a good purchase, and it sounds good!

[@KetchupBlood94]

Michael that bought the PC for 5$ and brought so much content out of it: *STONKS*

[@Ironapple09]

Try a usb bios flasher. So you can flash it on a newer computer

[@nobushi]

Yeah that CH341A should do the trick.

[@Josh.Davidson]

Considering that when you bumped the desk the image corruption changed, I think probably the issue is a cracked solder joint. Whatever bent that bracket in shipping probably caused a cracked joint, possibly in the GPU itself.

[@shawnmulligan3471]

If your BIOS has an option for selecting the primary display adapter, you can take the nvidia card out, configure the BIOS to always prefer the integrated graphics, and then plug the nvidia card back in. You can then try flashing it again or using other options. You might want to try getting a known good bios for it off the internet - its possible that if you dumped the bios with one version and flashed with another, that there are differences in things like a header that would make it not work right. Or maybe it didn't work right because the card is overclocked and hot, and wasn't able to write the new bios successfully (letting it cool down, and then turning it on and immediately booting into the flash tool without loading Windows first might allow it to flash before it starts misbehaving - I noticed that your video problems usually only occurred after the machine had been running a few minutes).

[@clementpruvost8670]

Video audio: *bios.bin has just disappear ed music* Me: *laughing like a dumb*

[@Techtype_]

Me in living in Germany and seeing an American talk about Germany: Well that was unexpected!

[@Kevinw927]

Ging mir genauso 🤣

[@GigantTech]

@@Kevinw927 ist so

[@yasyasmarangoz3577]

Und schon geht es los...

[@redcrafterlppa303]

Same here. Spannend wieviele deutsche Zuschauer er hat.

[@Techtype_]

@@redcrafterlppa303 stimmt

[@Terra_]

The PC has been through so much its insane

[@LKonstantina915]

with the amount of work he put into it, he could probably buy 10x machines like this that actually worked😂😂

[@freduah4253]

I follow this channel for one good reason... If I plan to do something and I found out that you did it before, I'll have to watch your video first so I'll definitely know what kind of problem I could have... It looks like you get issue everytime you try something. It's great for us/me because we can learn at the sametime :-) Thanks for the video.

[@burnutec3]

Instead of flashing, it had to be reheated, lines on screen usually indicates bga problems, gpu solder points, since this is a passive cooled card, it gets toasty , even with a fan it was more than warm. I fixed cards with this technique back in those days, and one agp card i still have, and works fine.

[@a_antw]

The editing was 10/10 I loved it

[@MichaelMJD]

I appreciate it!

[@Leahi84]

I don't know why, but it's so interesting to watch videos when things go wrong.

[@TheDemocrab]

I am literally in the same boat as you with old GPUs coming in the mail from Germany! I ordered an x1950Pro in June, they couldn't ship it until October due to COVID (Germany couldn't send parcels to most countries) and I ended up getting it right before Christmas. Also, those lines are textbook symptoms of a dying vRAM chip.

[@totallymady42069]

I had one of those cards for a while, it was a great little thing when it wanted to be. Mine eventually gave in and gave me those artifact lines too

[@melonademan5639]

Would’ve been interesting to see you test our aero on Windows 7, not Vista, but that’s just my opinion. Then again, Windows 7 updates past June 2018 was absolute hell for SSE1 processors.

[@atticusnari]

You're pumping out these videos dayum

[@chevycaprice87]

I have AGP Geforce FX 5200, it works fine even with Windows 8.1.

[@kynkai]

*freakish ears on a stand music plays softly*

[@gregbruyere]

That was really cool of the guy from Germany to send you the stuff you could use.

[@airfixer9461]

Whoooo....don't you just love ancient technology....flashing bioses & things....you get the badge of courage from me for attempting...keep up the good work Michael ;-)

[@melonademan5639]

“Everything Went Wrong...” Just like my marriage...

[@edameow]

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[@user-il2pn6vr9c]

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[@markusTegelane]

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[@smd89xx]

F

[@entitydoesvids]

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[@JoaquinPro64]

It could be that the floppy you used to store the bios is corrupted because i saw that it changed to 1.44mb to 2.3mb in a part of the video so that explains nvflash being corrupted and the bios could have be written in a sector that didn't exist so it overwrited another thing, you have to keep the original bios because there is a chance that it wasn't overwritten.

[@mdukasa]

"Installing a graphics card" Me still on integrated graphics:

[@DavidWonn]

Two decades ago, I stayed on my Intel 815 integrated 4MB graphics, giving me mostly what I needed, up to 1600*1200 in Windows for Workgroups 3.11, 95B, and NT4, though I usually kept it at a much lower resolution for the better refresh rate and color depth (and to cooperate with Puppy Linux too.) Now I get to see which adventures I missed out on!

[@thedungeondelver]

Your integrated graphics are probably better than that FX5200

[@amvymavy]

I've decided to get a GT640 or a GTX650 but don't know when. Intel HD Graphics 2500 sucks

[@thedungeondelver]

@@amvymavy If you can find a GDDR3 version of, and 2gb, you'll do OK for some 2015ish era gaming depending on how much visual acuity you lust after.

[@amvymavy]

@@thedungeondelver they say it'll be fine on GTA 5..... I guess that's correct since you said 2015ish. Also it'll be fine on Trackmania too since thats my other most used game

[@hihungryimdad]

I am so happy that I was able to grow up with the computers we have today, improved for sure.

[@nobokik7990]

Only 800 views... But the video is epic?

[@JSALFan]

Hi MJD! I really like the $5 Windows 98 PC videos!

[@bokexd3173]

same

[@JSALFan]

@@bokexd3173 who doesn't?

[@bokexd3173]

@@JSALFan idk some guy who is not interesed for old tech idk

[@realspeedghxst]

Did anyone noticed in the beginning he was using the same music as DankPods uses when he compares headphones?

[@matzmatz4148]

Hi is the EEprom available in like a smd package with pins ? you could use a CH341 Cheap programmer to program a bios to the chip from another PC directly to the eeprom under linux you probably can use the flashrom utility and there should be also a tool for windows.

[@PurpleLover101]

This video started with an ad that started with the win98 boot screen, and I was soooo confused for a second.

[@andrewkev8544]

I had this card. Was actually WinFast A340 but then when I was playing GTA: SA all characters models were transparent so I had to install the original FX5200 drivers in order to fix that haha. Nice card by the way

[@GeetaDeka]

Thumbnail says everything went wrong. I have to watch this video 😂.

[@AndyOdish]

Memories... I remember buying that card years back in Tottenham Court Road, London. I'm sure it came bundled with Elder scrolls Morrowind. Feels like yesterday!

[@puhbu]

This is so entertaining, you truly do deserve more recognition!

[@bmhater1283]

Le Malin?

[@puhbu]

le malin.

[@paulisthebest3uk]

Wow worked, done this recently, on an nvidia 6200. Reduced clockspeed reflashed the vbios and artifacts are gone. Thanks for the video, got my nvidia 6200 working again (not sure how long for but its working)

[@robertfoster6070]

Reminds me of when teachers got things wrong in front of a class of kids.

[@teengames4865]

some things i wanna point out: 1) It could be over heating. try to mount a fan on that bad boy. 2) if that bracket has any voltage on it it could short the vga adapter 3) there is something supposed to be mounted near the dpi connector 4) that gpu might not be compatible with your hardware in that pc

[@lpfan4491]

Windows 98 is slowly becoming the best meme of all time.

[@Techtype_]

xp beats it

[@lpfan4491]

@@Techtype_ That is not a meme. It is a great friend that we were forced to abandon.

[@RocketRiptide]

walk through the park at the start spiked my brain and i immediately thought IS DANKPODS TESTING STANKPODS???

[@junkynioy]

Editing on this video is the best! Please keep at it :P

[@Denuwu]

As soon as i heard the background music i instantly remembered Dankpods channel lol

[@StevenOBrien]

You've been having Druaga1 levels of bad luck recently.

[@darkmaster6058]

2:52when you buy windows 98 for 5 cent on eBay and turn it on

[@jari2018]

I remember trying to overclock a nvidia 200 mx -it started to artifact 4-5% higher clocks so if that card artifacts at default try 90% speeds or lower

[@danielmelanson4211]

I REALLY LIKE THE FORMAT

[@Cookie__XD]

Vielen Dank lieber NoobUltra! 😂

[@longcat266]

flashing a bios on new graphics cards are much easier than from the older days lol dont worry if you've actually bricked the card, fx 5200's aren't rare and are cheap usually

[@aviumcaravan]

12:58 "if that file vanishes again, **i will snap**" is what should've been said

[@TobStonk]

Michael MJD's tech misadventures. I blame the GPU not being $5

[@therealjammit]

When I saw those vertical lines I was thinking bad ram or an overclock. Seen that many times. People would buy video cards from us, overclock them, blow them, and try to bring them back.

[@alebarrera7]

congrats on 120k

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you!!

[@kitkatOSC]

@@MichaelMJD you are verified cool

[@TruceDoesStuff]

You're gonna have to find another bios for that card WITH its exact model and vendor or reflash the old bios and try using another gpu slot

[@nightbirdds]

You're not going to recover that card without a BIOS programmer. Doesn't look like you really did anything wrong, though. I think that card was on its way out and that BIOS flash finally put it over the edge. Welcome to the Geforce FX 5200 Experience.

[@UwOtt]

this's not FX5200 issue. Flashing a graphics card BIOS from under an OS is just a bad idea.

[@junkynioy]

yo i had this exact same issue, but on a system running Windows 10, i7-2600, GTX 650 1GB. and all i did was clean up the GPU and its contacts and then on it stopped from freezing out of no where and to seppuku the whole computer to the point where the BIOS SPLASH doesn't even show!

[@weatheronthe8s895]

Well, I did have a Windows 98 era machine that was running great. I got it for free from work. It was running great with a 450 MHz Pentium 3, 384 MB of RAM, and a card that I upgraded to a Geforce4 MX440 which is admittedly a little new for this computer, but it worked fine. However, I recently did something that I can’t figure out the problem. I went to change the CMOS battery on the motherboard. At first, everything was working fine. However, as I was playing a game, it ended up completely freezing. So I reset it, and no POST. So then I reseated everything. Still no POST. Even resetting the CMOS did nothing. The computer will power on, but only the fans and things turn on and I get no POST whatsoever. My biggest worry is I may have damaged the CPU when accidentally messing with the arms that keep the slot 1 card in place. It is hard to tell though as I don’t have another Pentium 3 to test it with. I may do some more messing with it soon, but I am worried I may have messed up the system. I don’t know how to test it though when I don’t have testing equipment for it. It makes me sad this happened because I loved using the old computer that’s older than I am.

[@cs188creations]

Michael MJD is the new Druaga1 😆

[@andi]

Yay that’s so cool that it came from Germany! :D

[@codybanghart5166]

the pc with the overclocked gpu was so powerful it started speaking enchanting table

[@stonent]

Years ago I bought a scrap 5200 card for a dollar. It was dead but what I did was use the onboard video on the computer and reflashed with the latest bios for that card and rebooted and it came up after that.

[@amnottabs]

being fair the fx5200s are known to die in this manner (the vertical lines); I have one agp version with the same symptoms which freaks out when you try any driver and maybe 4 of them totally dead, one of which donated its beefy heatsink to my good ol' MX4000

[@gttmone]

Windows 98 is like a grumpy old Grandpa that doesn't accept new things and it's always pretensious about everything.

[@Twintania]

even with a fresh install windows 98 is always doing something weird on many of my old computers, one of the reasons i hate using it even for retro gaming

[@phroggu]

At this point, Michael should just rename his channel to "Murphy's law"

[@amichels]

I recently discovered your channel and love your videos!

[@MichaelMJD]

That's awesome, thank you so much!!

[@Aureus_]

Wow you put so much effort into this

[@MegaSantiago200C]

Damn now I really want to see that card working on that PC :(

[@qpol]

michael tries to squeeze any content he can out of the $5 windows 98 pc

[@aaron_11111]

I have vague memories of doing a similar thing in the early 2000s. It might be worth: 1. Taking the AGP card out. 2. Using integrated GFX go to the PC BIOS. 3. If the PC BIOS has an option of selecting to initialize a specific GFX first, pick the integrated one. 3. Then put the AGP GFX card back in. 4. Try flashing a working file to the AGP card by running the flash utility. 5. Go back to the BIOS and select to initialize AGP first again to use that card. My apologies if this is a false memory!

[@eDoc2020]

I've done a similar process as well. It was most useful when I wanted to flash a Mac card to PC.

[@Ranimetion]

I've noticed that the card is PCI, when you flashed the BIOS the setting indicates AGP. Maybe you could boot with both the pci card and igp as your main gfx and change the flash bios to pci and reflash the card? Really loved the video though.

[@darkmaster6058]

When the malware keeps restarting your computer so you can't do anything 9:29