Upgrading the TERRIBLE cooler on the Dell XPS PC...

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Dell sent over their higher-end CPU cooler for testing, I compare it to the Noctua NH-U9S.
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[@TimmyJoePCTech]

I think you did more than prove "bad cpu coolers are bad". You proved that Dell, one of the biggest PC manufactures in the world thinks it's fine to nerf the performance, stability and longevity of their computers to save what... 50 cents on some heat pipes on an EIGHT CORE FOURTEENnm INTEL CPU...? There's no excuse for that, I'm sure there are huge margins in these PCs, or just make the customer pay the extra 50 cents?! And this is only exhibit A in the people vs. Dell class action law suit... single channel ram... GREY METAL INTERIOR? pffffft......

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I completely agree. Like I said in the video, I tested with an ambient temp of 19.5c in a brand new system. Best case scenario and it still falls apart with any load on the CPU. I would be happy to an extra 50 cents for the bigger cooler (Which itself isn't really good enough).

[@mattwright6249]

Timmy Joe, we all know that in north bay, or wherever you hail from is so damn cold, that cpu coolers work way less hard when your house is freezing cold. Dont you put computers into deep freeze freezers for benchmarking anyhow?

[@Kasmuller]

You are making it sound like 14nm is beefy and good.... Meanwhile competitors have reached 7nm and 5nm...

[@TimmyJoePCTech]

@@Kasmuller no it's hot really hot at this point that's my point

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@Kasmuller Der8auer already debunked what 14nm of Intel and 7nm TSMC mean. There's no a single thing in those lithographies actually that small. And Intel's 14nm was equal to TSMC's 7nm.

[@herosine]

Fact : the video wasn't boring at all cause I've been waiting for it for a while

[@ronguin7062]

Same! Gut check for Dell's business model and how they really treat consumers.

[@elliottd323]

Dawid is the most entertaining tech-tuber imo when he uploads its a good day

[@bobcorn69]

same here

[@elgigante2001]

Yep, I clicked as soon as I saw the upload.

[@datachu]

@@elliottd323 Yeah, one of the few in this space that can entertain me as much as LTT imo He deserves more subs

[@paladingeorge6098]

Dawid: "Dual channel memory improves performance." N00Bs: "uH nO iT DoESn'T" Dawid: *Aww shit here we go again.*

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I know right. This happens everytime. 😂

[@gdrumeller]

You know the only people that say that are the ones that bought a 32GB single channel kit cause it was cheaper, and now feel stupid so they try to justify their decisions lol

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

I really love the flex of using 2x4gb sticks of 2666

[@devilmikey00]

@@gdrumeller Pretty much. Of all the things you could cheap out on too. The difference between dual channel and single channel is such a trivial price gap. Congrats! You saved 10-20 bucks? Even in a budget build it makes no sense for how much performance you are losing vs. whatever you could possibly put that saved money towards.

[@conyo985]

Heck even filling up all 4 slots of your motherboard even if it runs at dual channel have slight improvements compared to 2 sticks of RAM. Bunch of noobs speak out of ignorance.

[@AnnaDoes]

2:35, yo this Anna chick needs to not be such a noob 😅

[@TheJayBat]

I'm sure doesn't mind being thrown under the bus though I think it's about time for another taser video.

[@BigTylt]

True, if she has a husband or boyfriend or something, maybe he can help her figure it out.

[@rahulchandra152]

I feel like no one will acknowledge that you are the Anna he was talking about

[@walkingmadnesscrawlingsanity]

@Tano for some reason when you said just return it I thought you were telling dawid to return anna to dell....

[@SchoolforHackers]

@@rahulchandra152 - Aw, you said the quiet part out loud!

[@tuulofdstrxn]

The 3 dislikes are from the Dell rep that told Dawid dual channel memory made no difference, their mom and grandmom.

[@aclausen]

2 extra from the guy who claimed that the CPU is only overheating if it is on flames - as well as his spouse.

[@sobzuk]

and now their boss and the bosses wife (who he made add a dislike)

[@DrearierSpider1]

I disliked for getting rid of that awesome intro. A message must be sent.

[@ronguin7062]

LMAO!!! you're probably right! They hate it when you don't just buy their bullshit and hate it even more when you show your work to the world and curb stomp their asses. Like cock roaches when the light is flipped on.

[@dapz]

@@DrearierSpider1 I agree, its awesome, but theres a pretty significant dip in retention during the intro which isn't good from an algorithmic standpoint. He did shorten the intro once but it just didn't feel right. Though there is a chance he simply forgot this time

[@mahbodkaramoozian6409]

Dawid finally getting that luxury cooler: Finally, inner peace

[@lenwitte]

But does he have to send it back? Dell is just loaning him the cooler.

[@AnnaDoes]

Yip. Looool. We have to send it back now that the tests are done 😂

[@ronguin7062]

Well, the take away here is Dawid's kung-fu is strong. Dell tried some janky shit and showed ALOT of people their true colors because of this video IMO. The sore thumb I can't cover here is their ram price, that's just a huge steaming pile of greasy bullshit. I'll build custom PC's for my wife's business when it's upgrade time again.(if the toilet paper apocalypses is over and prices get back to normal by then.) All her Office PC's and server are Dell and they have been great. Apparently Dell went in the dumpster since 2017.

[@yahyasajid5113]

@@ronguin7062 dell has been good for office computers because it's hard to fuck up making those, gaming PC's on the other hand, yeaaahh alot of OEMs cut too many corners to increase margins and with dell outsourcing it's customer service centers to India, using proprietary crap, using single channel, using crap cooler and probably a bunch of other things it's obvious profit weighs quite heavily into how they design theirs gaming rigs

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@lenwitte Yeah I have to send it back. 😂 Its not a problem though, the Noctua cooler is going to stay on there.

[@japonofiliablog]

A decent cooler and a dual-channel ram: the Grial of the prebuilt systems.

[@erlend1554]

And often shitty psu's

[@tyrosine87]

@@erlend1554 And custom motherboards

[@ahwx]

@@tyrosine87 and slow ssds or hdds

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

It would be so easy to make a prebuilt that doesn't suck, but I guess profit margins are more important.

[@patrickderp1044]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff i thought your alienware review showed good promise

[@aprichman]

Who “loans” someone a CPU HS/F? What the hell is wrong with Dell?

[@maxmoors]

everything is wrong with them. They're just a terrible company for prebuilt pcs and computers in general for that matter

[@retr0_fps]

youre right when it comes to their prebuilt / towers , their laptops are all right imo

[@aprichman]

@@maxmoors They’re like, “We hate PCs but love money, let’s become the worlds largest maker of prebuilt PCs”

[@AnnaDoes]

Literally everything.

[@whackbag3606]

Cost more in shipping To & From then that hunk of nonsense is even worth....Way to be Dell.

[@MichaelTavel]

Dell's test for cooling solutions: Has the CPU turned into a puddle of molten glass? No - Acceptable Cooler!

[@benjamindunlop9057]

pretty much

[@cliffordgallagher4531]

Dawid if you ever have to cut screws again, put a nut on the screw and when it's removed it will Help save the threads.

[@richmonddan8249]

Yeah, thanks for saving me the trouble of mentioning that. Makes it so much easier...

[@herrakaarme]

Yeah, I always do that. Although since I attach the screw to a mini vise for the cutting, it's almost a necessity.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Even better, put 2 nuts on and tighten them against each other so that they don't move away when working on it.

[@egs-zh3dt]

Prebuilt starter pack: Single channel RAM Crappy cooler Low quality proprietary motherboard PSU that doubles as a bomb

[@alexanderunknown8605]

😂👍🏻

[@GetOverHereMK]

Also a very restricted BIOS. When it comes to prebuilt gaming PCs from big-volume OEMs, the computer will definitely run a cheap blower graphics card built to a minimum specification.

[@pdamasco]

And a PSU with proprietary cabling so you can't even upgrade it. Or proprietary form factors, looking at you HP :-/

[@alexanderunknown8605]

@@pdamasco only in smallers (usff or sff), succesfully replaced hp crap psu to seasonic atx in some 2014 hp small tower.

[@user-vy5hc9ud6l]

Only hdd with 128gb of storage but avertised as ultra gaming pc

[@Bruh-gx1ey]

I like the simple tests and straightforward thorough explanations Dawid gives. I'm glad I subbed.

[@saturnotaku]

He'll be even happier if you become a Patron.

[@allenhoyt8016]

Really surprised the results were that far apart honestly. Good info, as I find myself upgrading old XPS’s for people a lot more than I’d like.

[@joeamos5877]

Dawid, thanks for sharing your experience with Dell concerning what appeared to be an incorrect RAM card. My six year old Dell XPS8700 died about a month ago. Tried troubleshooting the easy fixes but none helped. Looked around for a PC with specs I wanted with quick ship. Settled on an XPS8940 i7 with 16GB RAM (2933MHz) and other upgrades. System shipped in 4 days but took FedEx 5 days to delivery. PC started up with no problems and I spent the next two weeks loading software and recovering data. Noticed Dell had a sale on RAM so I ordered another 16GB RAM this time 3200MHz because it was $10 less than the 2933MHz. Installed the new RAM and used Crucial's scan to make sure RAM was working. The scan indicated two RAM cards were installed. One 3200MHz (the new one) and one 2666MHz (the one shipped in the PC). Where did the 2666MHz come from? Dell shipped the wrong RAM. So that began the nightmare trying to get the RAM I paid for and the RAM that is shown on all the paperwork. Much as you reported I was bounced from Tech Support to Customer / Order support back to Tech Support and still do not have the issue resolved. Customer support said I could return the computer and they would ship a new one. Sure, I had spent about three weeks recovering from the XPS8700 that died. Was not going to return the XPS8940. Then Customer Support offered a $50 coupon so I could buy what was then $180 2933MHz RAM. After another week I chatted with Customer Support and they said I should get in touch with Tech Support which is similar to the handing off I saw when I first contacted Dell to resolve this issue. Bottom line is do not trust Dell. They apparently have little quality control and trying to resolve an issue is impossible. I would return the XPS8940 but after spending a month recovering from the failed XPS8700, I will keep the XPS8940 and will purchase another 16GB RAM 2933MHz from another company and when I next need a PC it will not be a Dell. Anyone considering purchasing from Dell, be prepared to get the runaround from them if you have a problem. Suggest you consider other manufacturers.

[@mpeay3945]

"looser nitro suck face edition" :) Love the names you give terrible products

[@scottchampion]

Very interesting video. I'm glad we're finally giving prebuilts thorough research. Shining some lights on their systems and processes.

[@IcebergTech]

You tell 'em, Dawid! Dell are sure to learn a valuable lesson! (Dell will do nothing with this information)

[@walkingmadnesscrawlingsanity]

nah they will learn from it, just in a way to nerf performance even more

[@XiaOmegaX]

@@walkingmadnesscrawlingsanity Dell: Okay, we're tuning PL2 down to 65W and PL1 to 45W!

[@aum1040]

For most companies, getting detailed feedback like this is a dream. It's easily worth six figures to Dell. I'd argue that whether or not Dell actually has somebody who is incentivized and empowered to act on this is THE test of whether or not their corporate culture is broken. We may never know. In many companies the reaction would happen entirely behind the scenes. But I would strongly argue that actually contacting Dawid is by far the smartest thing to do. (Turning him into a consultant and effective brand ambassador would be the super smart thing to do, but that would be far beyond my expectations from Dell; Simply acting on his feedback is where my bar for Dell is.)

[@HayBayle]

Man, I've been building computers myself for so long I forgot how many shortcuts some system integrators take. Wild. Great video, enlightening!

[@joeonyt196]

damn the word throttling suddenly makes me anxious for no reason

[@humbdedumb6009]

You have done a fantastic job building your future Dawid. This content has always been high production and balanced professionalism, kinda in-between Gamers Nexus and Toasty Bros. Watching you work in that small space is remarkable, glad you were able to expand. Thank you for your contribution.

[@Joel-ew1zm]

Great review. If you really want the most out of a dell system, you need to go with a Precision series workstation which is properly "Pro" grade vs XP's which is definitely "Pro-sumer"

[@LinkStorm13]

Thanks for the video. I liked the previous DellXPS videos anyway, but this is the perfect follow-up. And no. It was _not_ boring at all. The way you presented and edited it, made it at least as entertaining as all your other videos.

[@holloxob]

had such a rough day but this video really made my! Been waiting for the fan upgrade vid since the first vid cuz I also bought the same dell xps! Great content! glad to watch and support fellow vancouverite!

[@greenprotag]

Solid video. We like to see big companies dragged out into the light screaming obscenities and dark secrets about cost saving measures. If we have to buy prebuilt to get a GPU, we might as well learn as much as we can about them.

[@baccusx13]

Love the "Acer Nitro Suckface edition" quote at the end XD

[@alexanderunknown8605]

Little Looser Cooler😂

[@nikandros9005]

we should try to get acer to actually call a product that

[@pelanth]

That part made me laugh well after the video was done.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Just had to make it clear that I'm not singling Dell out. 😂

[@Jallu555]

I own a acer nitro suckface edition :) :(

[@CLEARRTC]

Thanks for a great follow up, really enjoyed the video. I am curious if you thought about testing the cooler in single channel mode. I know for sure Dual is faster but curious if the CPU not choking itself can make up a bit more of the deficit running under the premium or Noctua coolers.

[@doncosner2611]

I enjoyed the video! I have been fixing up Dell Optiplex systems lately and am interested in the more premium coolers. Thanks!

[@dancomando]

You are person who made me buy second ram stick to become dual channel lord

[@feroci-tay5708]

The Rule of Two: "There may only be dual-channel RAM" -the Sith

[@originalsynestir]

You say this is a boring video but I waited all morning to see my favorite KZbinr make a video on something interesting that I wouldn't have otherwise explored :) great video as always, can't wait to see you hit 1mill

[@DirkMensonides]

This video along with your previous video related this Dell prebuilt has been some of your best content and analysis to date~ Very helpful for so many people! Great job. - Also KZbin unsubscribed me from your channel for some reason... I just resubbed.

[@vittordecastro3815]

I loved this test, please keep doing it, most of dell hardware is just like that, all the optiplex full tower models that i know of have this termal throttling limitation and aren`t all that "well mounted"

[@MrJobocan]

Before I got a pretty decent prebuilt from Canada Computers, I was considering Dell XPS to get a 30-series card. The more videos you post about your experience with Dell, the happier I am with my decision to go with Canada Computers. Not that I didn't have issues with their crappy customer service (they weren't accepting my credit card because... they suck? And then by the time I paid in a different way they had already literally sold and shipped MY PC to someone else so I had to wait over 3 months to get it), but at least I ended up with a decent computer. Might have a couple things I'll change over time (already upgraded the RAM), but the cable management is actually great, the PSU is good enough if I ever want to upgrade the CPU or GPU (for now I'm more than fine) and the only thing I can really think to upgrade is the CPU cooler.

[@neilevans4663]

I'd be interested to see what the thermals and performance is like with the new 11700 rather than the 10700. Dell are shipping these now. Just ordered mine with a 3060ti, BUT have ordered a new cpu cooler too ! :-)

[@nro2549]

Hi Dawid. I had one of those terrible coolers in my pc also. I was able to switch it out myself thanks to your videos, Much appreciated.

[@stevencharette7918]

i think you might have more videos then linus lol been watching your videos for a over a day just had a painful surgery trying to keep my mind off the pain thanks man your content is helping a lot

[@asecret5961]

I love how delp are keeping up with your videos but still manage to give you shit customer services

[@craigdaurizio686]

Bwuahhah I know right? Loaned him a cooler, how generous of them on a system that comes with a cooler that runs games at 90C+ and throttles ROFL 😂

[@gdrumeller]

@@craigdaurizio686 Dell didn't loan him anything, a person who happened to be an employee of Dell privately loaned it to him. As for what OP said, it's a good thing, he's trying to review the average customer experience, can't do that with special treatment, and honestly I feel like the coupon for the RAM upgrade was above and beyond what the normal user would ever see.

[@RalphInRalphWorld]

@@gdrumeller at 0:18 he says it's a Dell representative, i.e. a person at Dell's PR

[@craigdaurizio686]

@@gdrumeller Ah right, that looks even worse on Dell. They seem to have horrible customer service.

[@sadmire]

@@craigdaurizio686 yeah in the first video he did with this prebuilt, he said he went back and forth through several customer services for days at a time, and then dell reached out to him on twitter to fix it since hes a content creator. really bad look on dells part to prioritize content creators to get a bias opinion of their services. wish people looked into prebuilts more before ever buying dell so they'd be forced to actually make decent systems.

[@samschute4417]

Yess literally waiting for this video!!

[@zokwandamayise1922]

Was about to comment the same thing.

[@ethanfitton6336]

Same

[@davist-mq5db]

Me also

[@davist-mq5db]

I am going to upgrade my xps but kinda worried ill screw it up

[@Mineav]

Great stuff. Love you, Dawid.

[@edwardpersaud]

This was a great video. Thanks for making it. I ordered the same cpu cooler . Should get it soon. Very informative video and thank you for calling out dell for there cheaper coolers.

[@chhipa1020]

The 7 people that disliked are probably from dell customer service

[@amehu]

Don't think so because tech representatives are waaay underpaid for hard multitasking nerve wrecking job they've got. It's fffkkking managers who dislike these videos!

[@bluengold3443]

Dawid and disaster prebulits just goes together like peanut butter and jelly

[@zhengzhang1214]

Thanks for the comparison, exactly what I need to know the difference between the Dell and Noctua heatsinks.

[@FinalRevive]

a very smart and well edited follow - up video. thank you!

[@Durbanite2010]

Yeah, those cooler mounts go back generations at this point - I bought a cheap little Arctic Alpine 12 LP cooler to fit to an old Dell Optiplex to replace the stock Intel (trash panda) cooler and had the same mounting problem - the Arctic has those little plastic push-and-turn clips, which don't work with Dell's proprietary cooler mounts. It is pure idiocy that Dell continues with those mountings.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I know right! It's such a small design thing that really makes a big difference.

[@WaschBaer__]

to be fair, nothing NOTHING uses push pins anymore, except for intels basic trash stock coolers ..

[@Durbanite2010]

@@WaschBaer__ you'd be surprised the number of cheap, awful coolers that still use those pins.

[@nicrowe5983]

actually, this video was not boring, i've upgraded a few of these systems and always wondered why Dell think this cooler is adequate...so, thank you for this video, it was actually really neat to watch!

[@Matthew_Lang]

LN2 testing when? All jokes aside, this was a pretty good video to show the differences in both Single Channel vs Dual Channel, and different air coolers. Albeit the speeds on the ram weren't the same, the single channel stick was rated higher, so that might have given it a "better" fighting chance. And the air coolers, well, that part just makes sense. The cooler you can keep the die, the better performance you will get, and for a longer period of time. Keep up the good work, Dawid! Cheers!

[@Thecoccyx16]

You’re by far the the best tech KZbinr! Love your content and keep up the great work.

[@pctrashtalk2069]

It looks like there are mounting threads for a VRM heatsink on the MB but it's missing. If so you could perhaps make one. They have them on Amazon.

[@martinfendt1305]

The only one I can find on Amazon is sold out :(

[@24879067marshall]

Can you now show us how to fix the dell. VRM cooling Cpu Cooling. better fans etc etc

[@mr.normal8103]

I was waiting for this video to come out!

[@Noah62405]

I was so excited for this vid to come out!

[@pcchannel6294]

I'm surprised the vrms on that dell board aren't throttling, it looks like it has a screw mount for a vrm heatsink but it doesn't have a heatsink

[@bob_smite]

Vrms don't necessarily need heatsinks. Even servers using 1000W of power don't need heatsinks on their vrms. They are useful for overclocking, but with normal consumer parts for normal office workload, the vrms don't need additional cooling.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@Tano And VRMs are reliable for a long time if they are under 85C usually. That Dell might literally die after 3 years due to excessive VRM heating.

[@davist-mq5db]

It does i bought not knowing what i was buying its my first pc i bought some stick on vrm heatsinks but kinda worried ill screw it up oh well I gonna try and fix what I bought

[@ferociousdiablo]

It might be worth testing the "Throttlestop" application available from techpowerup. Its meant for laptops but can circumvent the max turbo time limits.

[@B0b842]

Oh boy this is gonna be good

[@jonathangodinho]

Thank you as always for the awesome content... 👍🏽

[@supertouring1]

This was a great video! Very informative.

[@MrBigTuna100]

Get the Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler w/ 5 Heat Pipes from Amazon, it's cheap price ($25 ) and does good at cooling and fits easily right on the motherboard. I tried a better fan on the rear and added 1 up front and without the side cover it still hit 100 c gaming with the Dell unit. After adding this cooler with the fans it maxed out at 78 c while gaming with the side cover on. It's a 10700 I7, 3060Ti Dell XPS 8940 Special Edition.

[@hipflipped]

I have the same system/setup, without the extra front fan and my temps max out at 70C. The only thing I did different was use better paste on the Vetroo V5 (i.e. not the included paste).

[@pumpkinman2343]

I just got the dell Xps and want to confirm that this actually fits

[@MrBigTuna100]

@@pumpkinman2343 yes it fits and it's an easy fix for it.

[@joelvig]

It would be interesting to see how the Dell premium cooler performs with a fan connected to it.

[@ferrumignis]

It already has a fan?

[@TheTalonts]

There's a fan in the middle of the fins.

[@WavezZx]

The black middle part is the fan.

[@alexandrucotioras7922]

how about 2 extra?

[@MrKigo1]

​ If anybody wants to do the upgrade, the Arctic freezer i13x fits without having to mess with the screws. The ones included fit straight into the cut-outs.

[@itmkoeln]

Back 6 years ago I was employed with a multinational where we had to support DELL Laptops (Latitude E Series) and Desktops (Optiplexes) as an internal site based it team... The funniest thing was a Haswell-U ultrabook in the E7440 series (the i5 variant) that behaved very loud when stressed by the user (while docked on an E-Series Dock)... For this unit we had to call support 4 times in 4 months.... DELL replaced the internal power-dc-board, the battery, and in 2 different service calls both the fan assembly and the mainboard... Afterall it turned out that the fan assembly was put onto the board in a wrong way (actually the fan was not able to spin freely)... DELL only noticed that when they had to replace the board, because the board had issues by itself...

[@dietpixel]

Not boring, I love stuff like this lol

[@iffy_too6465]

This is a great video. Between this and Linus sales & support debacle, Dell needs to go into the back room and have a word with itself. Really unacceptable standards.

[@gamebuster800]

this is some good content - the dell saga earned you a sub from me.

[@Dadbod2019]

This is great! I literally just got this system and it’s good to know about the cooler issues thanks!

[@Gatorade69]

Why !? Why did you get a Dell !? :(

[@Dadbod2019]

Because with the specs I got and the chip shortage it would have costed double of what I got it for, trust me I would have tried any other way if I could have

[@Gatorade69]

@@Dadbod2019 Fair enough. I still would have trusted any other OEM other than Dell though, they seem to be the bottom of the barrel. Hope you have good luck with the system.

[@qwkimball]

Out of curiosity, I sampled the Skillshare thing. They are the stock Dell cooler of online education.

[@tyaty]

Their content has varying quality.

[@qwkimball]

@@tyaty I've never seen content that bad that someone was willing to charge for. I'll admit, I only looked into their STEM offerings.

[@theeverythingnoodle9129]

AYO FINNA MAKE ME ACT UP SHEEESH THAT COOLER LOOKING FINE AS HELL

[@wordsmith451]

Should I call an ambulance? It appears you’ve had a stroke.

[@DeerJerky]

@@wordsmith451 I believe you should.

[@benbarnhart4460]

You didn't make a mess with the thermal paste again, did you?

[@DeerJerky]

@@benbarnhart4460 you mean, his own thermal paste that he makes?

[@benbarnhart4460]

@@DeerJerky Whatever doesn't short his circuit. I don't judge..............

[@RJBaldelli]

thanks for updating mate!

[@the_platapus3522]

Now im curious, how do you find coolers that work with dell proprietary mounting and fan connectors? We have 2 Dell Optiplex 9020 towers in our computer class and i noticed the pins in the fan headers are slightly more spaced apart than normal fan headers.

[@xa-xii1316]

i like your beard. its very nice

[@acewings221]

Man I just ordered an XPS with a 10900k and rtx 3070. Wonder if i can use my XPS to roast marshmallows

[@MLWJ1993]

Get that fire extinguisher ready!

[@TastySteaak]

I bought the same config last month. Let’s just say if I’m playing COD I have to turn down the thermostat because it gets too hot in my room LOL. But I will say with the K cooler I won’t get over 89C in Cinebench and in COD and Forza Horizon 4 the most I ever saw was 80-85. I’ll probably still get a noctua cooler tho

[@sinaalami4148]

@@TastySteaak The heat aside your ears will thank you aswell.

[@acewings221]

Thats such good news. I was starting to get buyers remorse lol Have you noticed it thermal-throttling yours at all, or does it stay just cool enough that the performance stays consistent?

[@TastySteaak]

@@acewings221 no throttling, though the turbo boost only gets to 4.9ghz instead of 5.1, though im not too concerned about that. it does stay at 4.9 sustained though which is nice, and the gpu gets to about 80c max. however, i should say that the stock fans are EXTREMELY LOUD, to the point where i can hear them through my headset. ill be getting the nh-u9s and an nf-a9 for not only better temps but also noise. be aware that the psu is still only 500w with the 10900k and 3070 config, which is not ideal but its better than waiting god knows how long for a gpu. also on the K-series configs a vrm heatsink is included which is much better than the non-k skus and their uncooled vrms. plus with my student discount i got an extra $250 off so it ended up being a pretty good value. even though there's a lot of things i dont like about it i can definitely say that its a very good value rn with good performance and its the quickest and most surefire way to get a gpu rn

[@TheRnlevi]

You can use M3 x 16mm screws instead of cutting down the 20mm screws. It’s a bit tricky getting the spacers lined up but it works.

[@judeg.8101]

NOT boring at all. For us not as savvy as others this helps A LOT for us to decide on what to buy that's best for the money spent. Thanks and a big THUMBS UP!

[@kellersales]

2004 I fully realized Dell's proprietary BS when they make their PC's. After a frustrating night with customer service, I decided to custom build my PC's moving forward. Best decision I made. Thanks Dell!

[@tomashre7896]

But when you have GPU double retail price and these dell arseholes still have stock?

[@volactic8495]

I was wondering why you didn't get the "premium" cooler. I saw someone else's review of this computer and theirs did have it already installed.

[@tyaty]

It is for, high TDP processors. 10040 has 65W TDP, so it gets cooler rated for 65W. It was fine up to 8th gen (My work PC has similar one with 8500, and it works fine without overheating ), but Dell now has a significant stockpile of cheap 65W cooler to sell.

[@volactic8495]

@@tyaty so you're saying Dell only puts those crappy coolers in their systems to clear their inventory of them, and that they aren't really rated for 65W

[@tyaty]

@@volactic8495 Those coolers were rated for 65W pre-.8th gen quad-core CPU-s. Intel started to calculate their DPS differently when 6/8 core mainstream CPU-s appeared. A 10400F is much hotter in practice compared to an i5-7600.

[@volactic8495]

@@tyaty ok that makes sense

[@poorsap1598]

If there is any extra molex connectors you could add 2 fans(probably 80mm or 92mm)as a push/pull to that dell mini tower cooler. Should help a lot.

[@Gravel-79]

Great video! You live in Canada I thought you use the metric system. The m3 has finer threads than the 4-40.

[@randomaccountepix4481]

im early cause of the discord ping off your server

[@Omegapork]

So they'll only give you that cooler if you have a K skew, but some non-K CPUs they sell overheat instantly without it? Sounds like dell!

[@ianrobertson3419]

The "premium" cooler still isn't enough for anything above 4.6ghz. Not that dell would let you overclock it anyways.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@ianrobertson3419 And those K chips would overheat even more, because their TDP is much higher than non K chips and those VRMs will be frying or throttling(no heatsink, no airflow if tower cooler). Not that Dell actually cares about making decent computers.

[@machiavellix7835]

I just bought one of these two days ago, this video came at the perfect time. Do u have the link to where you bought that cooler?

[@nasticanasta]

I found the same issues on a deal I got on a xps 8940, I first removed the extra hdd cages that were restricting air flow, replaced the 80mm exhaust fan to a 92mm then I bought the thermaltake which was the same thing but a heat sink that’s twice as thick, it actually knocked the idle temp of the i7 10700H from 119f to 91f I found that better Dell cooler and it was an even greater cooling as I put another 92mm in front for max air flow from front to back

[@NexusTales2030]

Dawid uploads = 8 minutes ago me = *clicking so many times that my mouse died* KZbin = loading me = ;-;

[@SmithBeatZ1]

I build PCs for a living. There's definetly a major performance loss in single channel haha. Especially Ryzen.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

I wonder if proper FX config (2 1866MHz sticks + turbo on) could beat crippled Ryzen (1 2133MHz stick + turbo off)

[@SmithBeatZ1]

@@MJ-uk6lu Depends which FX, but possibly. Especially the Ryzen APUs. I've tested single 8GB and Dual 8GB and the loss is enormous. Especially since 2GB go to VRAM. Intel isn't as bad, but still effected. Speed and dual channel for Ryzen is a must.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Considering I managed to beat 2 module/4 thread FX with my 12 year old Core 2 Quad build everything is possible.

[@SmithBeatZ1]

@@HappyBeezerStudios Wouldn't/Doesn't take much to beat a 2 core FX CPU with HT though.

[@j.w.grayson6937]

Excellent video Dawid!

[@doba36079]

I work on these under warranty for my job. I think that unit should have the optional VRM cooler also. you can see the screw bosses on the motherboard for it. Maybe try again if you can get a hold of it. If nothing else will extend the life of the PC.

[@truckerallikatuk]

The reason they follow Intel's thermal limits is because of that cheap ass triple mosfet power section, with ZERO cooling on it... They'd cook if you turned the power limits off totally.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

They have no cooling on it, but clearly the board (and case) have the screw holes for it.

[@mikexbox1]

"Just because Acer does it with the loser nitro suckface edition" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@nishantdavid]

Hello David. Love your content. I got exactly the same treatment as yourself from Dell Canada. Tech support passing me to customer care and vice versa. Finally I had to write to Michael Dell and turn it into an executive escalation. Only then did I receive the needed help.

[@tankcy7956]

I recently got my hands on a XPS 8940 so I’ll be looking to improving the CPU cooling. Wonder would a Enermax Aquafusion 120, Thermaltake TH120, or Corsair Hydro Series H60 fit? Or are the Dell mounting not correct? Hmm

[@DumbDesign]

Dell: It appears Dawid was not pleased with our offerings. Dell Rep: I won't fail you next time, my lord. Dawid will be yours. Dell: There wont be a next time. Dell Rep: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Dell: I don't care what it takes! Make Dawid like our sucky computers, or you shall be next! *Dell Reps rush out of the cave in panic, bumping against each other, their wings flapping erratically.

[@marcdedouallier3209]

You gotta love the couch "experts" who know everything on a KZbin comment...... It's almost as if you just need to tell them to sit at the back of the class and carry on eating the glue :-) :-)

[@deadbydawn745]

I really want to upgrade the cooler in my 10-year-old XPS 8500, but I can't because of the reasons you talk about @ 10:45 . In fact, I read that the backplate of the stock cooler in this particular model is firmly glued to the motherboard. It would have been awesome to show us more about the practical process of replacing the cooler.

[@safedave9689]

your videos always make me laugh keep up the good work man

[@RandomRider570]

I think Intel's stock cooler is actually better.

[@mr_watery_watermelons9779]

What

[@SlyStarling]

@@mr_watery_watermelons9779 Its true, the intel stock cooler is far better than this garbage piece if shit from dell, dell are the worst company you could possibly buy from

[@mr_watery_watermelons9779]

@@SlyStarling Bro ima be honest I forgot why I commented but ur entirely right

[@TotallyNotRedneckYall]

I upgraded the cooler on my Dell G7 17. Just prop the back end up, aim a fan under there... 😳😂 Never getting another gaming laptop.

[@lucascadena]

You don't need to cut down the screws--just buy the correct 16mm M3 screws and the Noctua mounts easily. That's what I did. There's also another option now. Somebody on the Dell forums reported that the Vetroo V5 cooler doesn't require any additional screws or other hardware to install, and it costs less than the Noctua.

[@AgentSn0wWhite]

I love you dude keep up the great work

[@burningdell3062]

Dell: *Cuts corners on literally everything Gamers & PC enthusiasts: Dell stop your ruining your computers and bottlenecking your PC's performance Dell: *Pretends the backlash doesn't exist and continues ruining performance and upgradability.

[@ram89572]

Any single individual buying from them at this point without knowing what they're getting ahead of time deserves to be taken advantage of. They're a scumbag company and their products reflect as much.

[@Buddy.Temple]

I do feel sorry for my ignorant friend who saved up to get this rig bcz Its a dell…

[@ggzii]

I think it would be interesting to see how those improved Cinebench scores translate to realworld actions. How much fast does it say render a video, or a big audacity file etc

[@ufoisback5088]

Yeah, dawid, start including some less abstract benchmarks

[@steelfox1448]

Cinebench is a real-world demonstration, it's actually just a tool to demonstrate the power of Cinema 4D, and what's great about it is you can see the scores and there are massive online databases of cinebench scores to refer to.

[@Nerdificationing]

Great job - although that Dell rep may not be sending you too much again hahaha

[@avoncompton2135]

Awesome video mate!!! I recently brought a Dell XPS 8940 in New Zealand with a i7-10700K CPU and it still came with the ultra-budget cooler! (why Dell oh why do you do this!). Fair to say I'll be following up Dell to get a free upgrade to their premium luxury cooler. Wish me luck with Dell Customer Service. The good news is that I did get dual channel 2 x 8GB 2933 Mhz RAM with the original order To be honest, I might downgrade the CPU to a non-K SKU variant (i7-10700 or i9-10900) given that the motherboard can't overclock and not to mention no heatsync on the VRMs (I'll look to buy a heatsync to install). I only brought it as it was the only way to get my hands on a RTX 3070 at anywhere near the MSRP price (Dell had a 40% off end of financial year sale that made it worth while as well as a 7% Honey coupon) Keep up the good work Dawid as I'm really enjoying the content and your channel is one of my faves along with Tech Yes City, Phil's Computer Lab and Linus Tech Tips :-)