AirForce Texan .50 Cal LSS Big Bore Airgun: Ballistics Gel Testing

[@indydurtdigger2867]

Well darn. I just received one of these in 457 caliber. Been watching vids on them for weeks now and just now found this guy. Never thought 50 cal. and sabots was an option or I would have went that route. Good content btw.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Don't worry man - the .457 is an AWESOME caliber and quite honestly the better caliber for long range shooting. You chose well my friend!

[@LETHAL-AIR]

Awesome results , those fracturing rounds really surprised me , can’t wait to try some of these in this upcoming deer season

[@crufflerrick]

I only have .22 and .25 caliber PCPs right now...but I do have a Inline Muzzleloader and those 50 cal Lehigh Xtreme Defense seem interesting!

[@bretlawson924]

Great work Chris, much appreciated. I gotta check Lehigh out to see if they offer something I can play with. That energy transfer is.......wow!

[@ColoradoAirgunner]

Insane! That's some great research you have done. I guess I need a 50 caliber as well now. Keep'em coming!

[@nealtressler1661]

The fragmenting slug, if the accuracy is there, is definitely interesting

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Ya - they are the ones I am most excited about. No upsizing with sabots and seriously at 50--75 yards are the most accurate ammo I have ever shot. The groups open up just a tad at 100 yards, but I think that is due to being such a low BC maybe? 240 grains for such a long slug seems like it isn't a good longer range option vs. lead.

[@nealtressler1661]

UpNorthAirGunner reminds me of the original Remington copper slugs... they had 4 petals designed to snap off

[@bobjoatmon1993]

Notice that the sabot generally stays with the bullet and the variability of both the seating AND how much the cup moves on the bullet after it leaves the muzzle sure causes fliers. Also, if the sabot stays on it totally screws with the BC! By simultaneously shooting through multiple stations of 36x36 brown paper at 15, 25, 35, 45 and 55 yards you can see what happens and if and where the sabot is seperating. The rifle was mounted in a screwed down rifle vise and a remote trigger used so no human error variability from shot to shot. I found with the .457 Texan that using MMP sabots for .357 bullets the sabots stayed on but occasionally one petal of the sabot would open causing the "assembly" to vere off. You could actually see the notch in the hole in the paper where the petal was acting like a drag brake on one side. These shots were ALWAYS fliers on the target at 85 yards. On the .457 sabots for .400 caliber bullets the sabots 7 out of 10 times DID leave the bullet and overall they were more accurate. I believe it's because the petal is thinner and the air has enough force to peel them back so the drag pulled them off. So high velocity smokeless and black powder sabots don't do as well used in airguns... We need a sabot designed with "thinner" hinges on the petals for our lower velocities and slower twists so the sabot reliability sheds. These sabots, even in a black powder rifle are exiting at twice or more the velocities of an air rifle. The air flow around the BP projectile is much more AND with the centrifugal force caused by the twist of the rifling the petals more reliably open and drag the sabot off the bullet.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Great information! I was wondering about the shedding of the sabot myself. I have been finding them at 20 yards consistently when I shoot at any distance. Good point you made about the .357 vs. .400 and the thinner walls of that sabot option working better. I agree a better sabot could be made and be better suited for slower velocities. Thanks for watching!

[@taggartlittle570]

Thanks for the info. Have been testing out some sabot rounds in my .510 piledriver. I've tried several 300 grain .45 cal. and the results have been pretty good at 75 yards. Decided to try out some 200 grain .40 thinking they would be more accurate and the results were terrible. Makes sense now considering the thicker petals.

[@cliftonhagan2397]

Looking at buying the airfoce texan 50 cal and your videos make it more convincing to buy one Thanks for a great video love the Lehigh; Most of my deer are at 25 to 50 yrds

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

You can't go wrong with that purchase and you will be a happy Deer hunter! I love mine!

[@cliftonhagan2397]

@@UpNorthAirGunner Got it and now to get it all setup.Cant wait

[@kentwilliams4152]

Great test! Who would have thought that an air gun would be so effective! Personally, I would choose the Extreme Defender for all around performance.

[@KGisthename]

Great video through and through man. Subbed. Also that water melon looks bomb 😋

[@phillipzx3754]

Before I start watching this, there better be some melons getting blown up! :-) Edit: @3:41 caused a big-ass grin on my face. Those melons didn't know what hit 'em! :-)

[@BigFun4Life]

Another amazing video Chris,thanks for all the info that you share...

[@isferfun3909]

Great comparison video Chris. Really liking that Lehigh F5 .510 w plastic cup base. But w/o base cup may be good w Seneca Dragon Claw or Evanix big bores. Those watermelons almost like complete slushy just missing shaved ice and syrups. You're correct the Hollowpoint slugs are go-to for AF big bores class. Pure awesome 👌 👏 😎

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Thanks! Just one point of clarification. The F5s don't use a sabot cup. They are designed to work without a sabot. The Dragon Claw is .495 I think so I am not sure if this will work in that gun, but I will test and report back.

[@isferfun3909]

@@UpNorthAirGunner oh what!! The F5 don't use sabot cup and its sized .510?? I'm very interested to try those. What's the link to the website again please?

[@injairgun]

Great well informed video, Chris! Did you post this to the group Airgun Addicts Anonymous? If not please do! Great video!

[@garypostell5268]

Impressive on the copper slug omg!

[@kpaintball3]

I ordered the 350's from mrhollowpoint he sent some 345's and 385's as well I used 25lbs of plastaline clay the expansion on the 350's is amazing but I did get two (out of ten) that basically exploded after going like 6 inches into the clay but the ones that actually expand get huge and completely flatten out .....but im using a 50 cal piledriver

[@kpaintball3]

P.S I have a couple short vids if you are curious

[@scottroder5516]

Yoopers rule! I hunted a few days near Manistique before returning to Texas. Did not see a deer. I hope you have better luck than I did. I cannot wait to see a deer autopsy on those Lehigh defense rounds. I carry them in my 9mm and 10mm pistols.

[@JoeZelensky]

One small point of contention. When shooting something not round ball from an air rifle, it is called a pellet.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Hmmmm…. No a pellet is a wasp shape with skirt. Then we also have slugs and hybrid slugs.

[@JoeZelensky]

@@UpNorthAirGunner according to the BATFE if it's fired from an air rifle it's a pellet except BB's which is actually the size of the projectile.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

@@JoeZelensky Well the good news is that they don’t govern regulations over Airguns so they can call them unicorn fart projectiles for all I care. We also have bolts and arrows being propelled by Airguns and state by state they are defined differently by length. So academically we have pellets, slugs, hybrid slugs, round ball, and bolts / arrows.

[@JoeZelensky]

@@UpNorthAirGunner try some round ball in that thing.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

@@JoeZelensky It shoots roundball really well! Fast as hell!

[@garypostell5268]

Do that at 50 yards and 100 be very interesting!

[@morallybankrupt1461]

I could confidently say the Texans could be used for a defense situation, just don’t miss lol.

[@Thegoofyairgunner]

I actually started a Texan fund! 🤣 unfortunately I’m not in the position to drop the 2 gs on a full kit but it’s coming soon

[@scottg9703]

The sabot cup doesn't get caught in the baffles of the Texan SS?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

From this test you can see that the Santa cup is still attached 6-7 feet away from the muzzle.

[@scottg9703]

@@UpNorthAirGunner does it stay with the projectile all the way to target, or does it drop away? If it stays with does it effect aerodynamics & trajectory ??

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

scott g I’m finding all the Sabot cups about 15 yards from the muzzle so it’s shedding within the first few yards.

[@RoadTo2046]

Those projectiles are just the "extreme penitrators" from underwood ammo... lol

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Lehigh is the actual manufacturer.

[@RED89P13]

Do you feel comfortable having this as a hunting rifle and if needed home defense. Obviously it would be something best for farther away but if it came to a situation (apocalyptic) where you would need to be on patrol what do you think.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

To be fully honest, I can’t stand these videos that keep popping up about using Airguns for home defense. Not the right tool for the job, but if I had to I would use it, but being single shot and so long, I’d much rather have a 9mm or .45 pistol in the night stand or a shotgun with 00 buck in the corner.

[@gilyost7744]

great job chris!!

[@curtisgibson6190]

Awesome video. Thank you for it . 👍

[@garypostell5268]

Awesome ammo but will be pricey and very hard to get, already hard to get .50 cal slugs at a reasonable price that are good for hunting!

[@cliftonhagan2397]

i got two bowes for 37$ a box at lethal air

[@lovejcdc]

Awesome video, I do have one question. How well does the solid round wound channel expansion hold up after impact on a deer? I am curious about it as I'm considering getting a airforce Texan.

[@pabuffa]

Have then.457 Airforce Texan Carbine ordered. Looking to shoot Nielsen 290 gn HP. Should be good for squirrel ....

[@Josephsvideoalbum]

Do you have an airgun dealer you're working with, I've just gotten into the business and I'm looking for a good content producer to partner with?

[@hideousruin]

I'm devastated by all that sweet sweet watermelon going to waste. Those look really ripe and delicious.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

LOL! They gave their lives for the sake of science. 😂😂😂

[@hideousruin]

@@UpNorthAirGunner Ha. Yes indeed they did. I'd never seen those fluted bullets before. It's amazing how much innovation still goes on with something as seemingly perfected as ammunition. Subbed

[@luislongoria6621]

Big Bore Airguns Are Not Toys. What kind of db Does the 50LSS Make? Can't wait to See these in 72cal LOL

[@1tokeover]

Which scope would you recommend for this rifle?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

My new favorite big bore Airgun optic is the Element 5x30 Immersive!

[@deankissos2861]

Do you have information on the depth the projectile should be in the sabo cup and placed in the Airfoece Texan Barrel? I would appreciate, based on your experience, with the Lehigh projectiles your thoughts. Thanks.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

You just push the slug all the way down in the Sabot’d cup and just push in flush into the barrel.

[@deankissos2861]

@@UpNorthAirGunner thank you

[@MiscMitz]

Dang! That's sweet!

[@zkiro367]

Can that 240 go through my hand ?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Dude - all of these are made to take down a full sized Deer. So yes, it would go through your hand.

[@zkiro367]

@@UpNorthAirGunner test it against duk tape , I means how much layers of duk tape would required to stop these pellets from AR

[@utubewatcher3852]

I may be thanking crazy but i wonder in sted of plastic cup what if the cup was made out of graphite. Would that cut down the friction?

[@christopherkeillor9728]

Sorry for the thumbs down but I want to see what the damage is at a hunting range, the distance most game is taken.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Well...... Ballistics gel testing is done at close range to get a benchmark to compare different ammo. Go watch my 160 yard shot on this Doe and you’ll see the terminal performance was similar to what you saw in this video. You might want to turn that thumb around. Thanks for watching! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iafXkoyLiN-MgJY

[@jesseesparza4974]

What sabots are you using

[@NobodyHere44]

Could the Airforce Texan .50 caliber shoot the .500 caliber 240gr controlled fracturing rounds with any issues? I'm looking to purchase a few from Lehigh defense

[@EngSam-wz9ly]

Awesome video Chris! Do they have the copper slugs in 457 Cal?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Not yet. You could try the sabot technique with a .357 slug in a .457 sabot maybe. Go to the MMP sabot cup website and I think they are the blue ones.

[@MrSundown323]

Where can I buy some of those copper slugs from??

[@Soldis-vq5xg]

Nice 👍👍👍Great video.

[@azcontable649]

buenas te hablo desde colombia me encanto tu video, me gustaria, conocer link de los distribuidores de moniciones recomendados que usas en este video, gracias.

[@freethinker5225]

Wish the test was done from 50 to 75 yards...reasonable distance for hunting

[@Ray-ro2jj]

Do they have the copper ones for the Texan lss .45 cal ? Or where does one get a mold ?

[@22airgun]

How many shots do you get out of that bulk tank? I’m scouring your videos trying to find out but I haven’t found an estimate yet.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

You mean the big 100cf tanks I tether to? Regulated at 3600 PSI and a full fill to 4500 PSI around 50 shots.

[@22airgun]

@@UpNorthAirGunner awesome, thanks. I naively tried to get by with just a hand pump and ended up pumping 1,667 times for 26 shots. I got a blister to prove it too. Needless to say, I’m getting a F@&$ing tank lol.

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

@@22airgun Dude! You need to get a prize for that effort. Slow golf clap....

[@jerrypurnell4066]

How do you adjust power wheel on lss .5cal cf?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

The power wheel is on the left side of the frame.

[@jimmanycricket4952]

Do they have these copper shot for .357?

[@jacquesyvetot6232]

Do you know if there is a mold to make 50 cal FTM (Fluid Transfer Monolithic) bullet like the "Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator" bullet please ?

[@Baehrman87]

Not a fan of copper inside my airgun barrel. Am i being crazy?

[@chaysokhieng]

good

[@Scott-cu4ol]

Great video. where can i buy lehigh copper bullets? I have the Air Force Texan 45 carbine modified by African air ordinance

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Lehigh doesn't make a .45 airgun specific option yet. You could try a these .45 sabots for a .40 slug: mmpsabots.com/store/tan-sabot50-pcs/ Try these slugs: www.lehighdefense.com/all/400cal-10mm-140gr-controlled-fracturing-bullet

[@Scott-cu4ol]

UpNorthAirGunner thank you 🙏🏻

[@U.S.Dept.ofHoeflation]

Imagine using the suped up Air African ordinance version 😂

[@airpower7692]

Can't hunt with jacketed or none lead around my area is illegal

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

Huh? Where do you live?

[@airpower7692]

Tennessee

[@airpower7692]

Lead bullets only

[@airpower7692]

Ok I went back and double checked it says no full metal jacketed ammo

[@airpower7692]

So I'm assuming these metal slugs can't be used here

[@Beemanshooter]

If it's brown it's down lol can't wait to see the results

[@luciankristov6436]

I have to keep reminding myself this is an airgun lol. Wtf it hits with powder burner performance

[@cliftonhagan2397]

Would someone please get these guns in stock so i can get one everything is backorder

[@sanakmancingmania7137]

👍👍👍

[@MrGhostface213]

If I can only buy one ☝️ what would you recommend in caliber and model

[@sat20387]

3:40 for the mellons. I'm putting the time of impact so ya'll can go right to it without a search 5:20 for the gel

[@mikethefarrier]

While this is interesting....to get a real performance idea they need to be shot at hunting distance....say 20-50 yards. Also, some kind if hide/bone simulation before the block. Cool.video though

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

True, but that isn't the purpose of Gel testing. The reason why we do this is to test all ammo under the same conditions to measure expansion vs. penetration. In this controlled situation we can say X slug expands or penetrates better or worse than each other. That way when you do go into a real world hunting situation you have an idea of how your ammo will perform.

[@j4v-cyberpunk-music]

The way those slugs look like the manufacturer could easy turn them selfrotating increasing accuracy by light years and why did I never hear about ammo air channel tested even so they are way faster than any car around? #legalizeselfprotectionglobaly #bornfreediefree

[@oneonone1422]

4:09 Atleast kiss it first 🙄

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

We had dinner earlier. 😂😂😂

[@georgejackson7501]

sorry not a real world test... you always shoot deer @ 6 ft. ? same test @ 100yds. would be real world...

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

That isn’t how ballistic gel is used to test. It is used as a calibrated media to measure penetration and expansion comparatively between one ammunition type against another. It’s just a tool of measurement, NOT what really happens when you hit fur, hide, bone, muscle, organs. Go what some of my other videos where I use pork ribs and melons. That is a much better example if you want to see what it will do on an actual game animal.

[@christopherhess9553]

I just shot through five cast iron skillets with this gun he has. Please check my video out on KZbin.

[@ustinates335]

At 6 feet? who cares at 6 feet?

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

LOL! You missed the point. This is a comparison of terminal performance across all these different ammo options at the same distance using the same gun with all factors held equal. That is the point of gel testing. It’s why the FBI does their testing at close range. They use the same distance and the same medium to test the terminal performance across many different ammo types.

[@davidberkley839]

Haven't shot many deer at 6 ft Mabe one at ten yrds Accuracy at 60 probably don't have any ! 70 /80 /100

[@UpNorthAirGunner]

LOL! That isn’t how ballistics gel is used and ammo tested in gel. Typically it is tested within 10 yards. This test demonstrates what the ammo will do close to maximum muzzle velocity. Your comment about yardage.... Every deer I have shot big bore Airgun hunting in the last few years has been 70 yards or closer except one at over 100.

[@guyjohnson3775]

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