Upper Bracket Semi Finals 2022 Winter Championship - Kane's Wrath

[@datboi8727]

I have not played this game in 10 years. I did not expect tournaments to still be alive. Amazing.

[@FizzleFX]

Get the R21 patched maps. Does improve the game ;)

[@MegaPepsimax]

lol Futurama vs Master leaf: T59 vs T59 who can hexalame better?

[@jackplisken4738]

gotta say the last game was pure T-59 cancer

[@OverG88]

Yep. It wasn't a question how Green Zero could counter Futurama, but with what. Anything he'd throw would result in a failure. Futurama would send his Erradicator Hexapod on multiple occasions in a most cocky way and alwayd get out. Just look at that shit at 1:50:12. lol

[@MyriadColorsCM]

Came here by reccomendation of Bricky´s video on Kane´s Wrath. Its really cool to see people still haven´t forgotten about this game.

[@МихаилМилько-ю3з]

I think we all should agree that the last game was just painful to watch. T59 needs to be rebalanced and nerfed asap.

[@kasper7574]

As long as the giant air armadas are being kept, those are always fun to watch...

[@cruzbohy]

T59 seem so OP. Wormholes plus cultists and a prodigy

[@Nautules83]

i would be pulling out my hair having to play vs all that bullsh*t mechanics

[@FizzleFX]

1:44:25 is the *FIRST TIME* and ONLY a Prodigy is shot dead by a sniper. 1.75 hrs in - of an 2hrs video! They nearly kill it 2 more times later on but there isn't much commitment to the act. Those are sheer luck run ins. Nobody else even bothered with those before. Perhaps they should~ idk~ build a few and keep them scattered on the field/in their base?! 2 shots and the prodigy is mush! So if you have 2 sniper teams you *INSTA KILL IT* (while their Superunit is stuck in the middle of Juggernaut fire) but sure ... ""T59 is so op""... (because nobody bothers using the ON/OFF switch on the teleporter

[@TheSuperColonel]

Hexa laming needs nerf teleport in and out needs like 1 more second delay. Hexa could get twice more hp but twice less effective armor so it has the same effective hp but repairs take longer. Doing damage with almost no risk is not balanced or fun to watch.

[@FrantzGray]

Why are we pretending that T59 is not OP ?

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

Because in the hands of Bike or Leaf everything SEEMS op.

[@chonghe5598]

@@gamesandthoughts2388 T59 seem OP in Futurama's hand, too. Prodigy basically made hexapod immortal. Then all T59 player need to do is to turtle in and send hexapod to sow mayhem on enemy blob.

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

@@chonghe5598 Mate, this kinda talk has been, going on since a long time ago. U think I didn't read Leaf's comment down below where he says that T 69 is OP, yet I still stay by what I said. This game will never be balanced. When 1.02+ came out and was tasted out people used to complain that either T69 or BH or ZOCOM were OP, then time went by and people started saying that ST started getting too powerful and so on and so forth. However whenever there is a faction that was OP there was Bike playing his NOD or Scrin and demolishing everybody on his path. The bottom line is there will always be a faction that will have a slight advantage over the rest of them. Just like in chess, the white pieces have a slight advantage for making the first move. Our duty is to make sure that this inescapable advantage doesn't get out of hand.

[@BikeRush]

Hehe boi

[@Rat_Fบcker]

Because other faction are getting buff in this patch? It's masterleaf that OP

[@ChiefCrewin]

I recently started my biennial C&C phase where I play every game in release order through RA3, sadly the LAST GAME in the franchise. I've watched a ton of LowkoTV but recently found your casts, and MAN are they so much fun! I had no idea people still played competitively! Keep up the awesome work!

[@OneSybert]

Glad you've been enjoying the action! It's a much smaller scene than SC2, but there's still competitions for most C&C games.

[@marcusavey8529]

agreed, i used to play KW on console, that was a long time ago now, but after seeing these cast's i've rebought the games on steam seeing it's still alive,

[@ChiefCrewin]

@@marcusavey8529 My first copy of KW was on 360! I really wish the PC version had Kane's challenge, it was a simple mode but so fun.

[@brannanvitek1035]

@@marcusavey8529 It's still alive! But you'll need some 3rd party tools downloaded to play multiplayer. It's very easy, and the community has great guides to do it. Just a heads up. :)

[@marcusavey8529]

@@brannanvitek1035 havnt had the time to play it much, just a few quick skrmishes and a bit of campaign so far, does steam not operate as the usual server?

[@zachary7136]

"Man, Green_Zero has this, he's gonna crush Futu-" *sees Futurama blink an engineer to save his tech3* *immediately switches jerseys*

[@calebh4442]

Ugh, less T59 please.

[@wolfieinu]

Teleporting Eradicator too OP plz nerf

[@mrjimmy55554444]

So whoever has the magic spider wins ?

[@bigchunk1]

I am a total noob in this game but late game against Traveler-59 looks difficult. So many strong and efficient abilities.

[@masterleafcnc]

This hexa lame strategy is so terrible to watch, the maps also make it way worse. I also feel guilty in playing traveler, its blatently op at the moment. I will be addressing this in R20 with shorter phase duration, less delay on emp grenades and further nerf to corruptor heal rate on hexapod.

[@chonghe5598]

shouldn't prodigy teleportation cooldown be increased, too? as it is now, it seem totally safe to throw hexapod to any dangerous situation, as it can be teleported out again momentarily anyway.

[@HerrRitschwumm01]

Wouldn't it be an option to deny the teleport on the hexapod if it is under a certain amount of fire/dps? So only allow it to be teleported if there's next to none attacking on it?

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

Those changes don't address the core problem: that Epics are just too strong for their cost. Until that and the overall strength of 1 clicks is addressed, its going to stay a shitshow. The unit diversity and strength of the 100% buff upgrades should also be looked at. Its great that some of the fixes brought a little bit of MoK into the game, but the game still doesn't look like its in a health place to me.

[@godofbiscuits2978]

Could also do with a small reduction to the range of mind control. Unless a player is sloppy it's almost guaranteed to snag a unit

[@henryjaremek2644]

All the changes that you mentioned will just Fuck up the game even more ..if you are a Scrin Player

[@sasanmanprinceofpersia1233]

ok so we all know that T59 is just op. I just don't get how this fraction is just not outright banned in tournaments since most of us don't want to watch this kind of gameplay anyway.

[@rolfauner4623]

Gods, Trav is so frustrating to watch. :|

[@Spinexus]

Loved that first map. huge classic campaigne vibes.

[@zattez3032]

I love all of the c&c content thats been flooding my homepage. You are still my go to for game coverage but overall it's great to see more tournaments and people covering the games like bikerushowns for example.

[@UNKA757]

Futurama played that last game cheezy as hell..pretty disappointed in that play style from him.

[@KucingLunox]

They really need to nerf teleport of epic units or atleast made it harder for t59 hexapod for ranking up

[@АлександрТесла-п9ч]

All you need is hexapod! It's not a fair

[@sniperking4696]

I always watch these games and as I’m watching them, I’m like oh decently good at this game and then every time I play online with people I get absolutely demolished😂

[@FizzleFX]

I do like Masterleafs style. He doesn't always win but I feel like he has a creative way to go about things and that's fun to watch :) ps. he also builds and keeps turrets around to secure his base when there is income to spare. A good thing! Less worrying about sneaky backstabs.

[@Mantorok12]

I think traveler is beatable at this level...if you can pull off bikerush plays. You gotta be able to pull off a successful attack from at least two different vectors. Snipe the prodigy, send in massed railgun preds in the back, marv and juggs in the front, slingshots go to where the PACs are, zoneheads start tearing up infrastructure when you knock out the power. But the Traveler player won't sit there and take it. That last game snowballed with the hexapod ranking up, that's what really did it. But that hexapod is insane to have basically three tiers of invincibility: two warps, and the stasis, not to mention corruptors when it gets home.

[@indigo3843]

Genuine question from someone who only plays cnc single player and probably has no idea what they’re talking about. I imagine for things like 1:45:55 where the eradicator gets blinked forward, crushes a few things, gets blinked back; that there would be a way to punish such things. For flame tank rushes as an example, that’s countered by the fact that flame tanks pop easily if they’re seen moving forward (hence, sent rarely to act as surprises - a good player would be on constant lookout and punish easily with hammerheads or seekers or like). For this, though, there seems to be little actual consequence to doing this action since the eradicator can just get healed up easily, has instantaneous travel time, and lots of HP that prevents it from being destroyed too easily. And this one instance it’s surrounded by Zoneheads, in other instances Juggernauts. I’m just curious how you’d punish something like this outside being lucky with a prodigy snipe. Combine this with stuff like stasis (a pseudo cryogeddon from what I can tell in how it can immediately shut down a push) and phase (a sorta get out of jail free) and I’m just wondering how a good player would be able to work around these things. For the support weapons, the only weakness I see is user skill (which imo isn’t a ‘cost’) and that it costs money; for the eradicator the only counter is to beat your enemy so hard into submission that they cannot possibly get into that position to begin with, which given the skill of the players here suggests improbability. Again, I’m not competitive and tibwars is not my most played cnc game (as much as it should be lol) so someone more familiar explaining this would be helpful.

[@OneSybert]

I think if the devs could see how some of that stuff turned out they probably would have tweaked some of the design. Something like emp grenades traveling faster so they don't always land after the hexa has already teleported away. There are probably a million ideas to tweak the hexapod to make the laming strategy less effective (units could take extra damage when they're in a teleport animation so there's more risk, or a longer delay before or after teleport, scale the healing of corrupters differently so health regen takes longer, longer cool down on teleport abilities, teleporting costing HP). Yeah stasis is definitely one of the best support powers in the game.

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

This stuff has been broken as hell since release, and 'hexalaming' is the standard go to strategy for most Scrin for the reasons you've mentioned. You can try punishing it with EMP weapons on the defense, hopefully locking it down and getting in some good damage. Offensive pressure is likewise a good way to pressure it. They can't really run and hide if you are knocking on their front door. Killing the Corruptors will prevent it from coming back out onto the field so quickly, limiting how often it can pull off its tricks. Killing the Mastermind while its attacking denies it its blink to safety, which is usually fatal. Most of these are situational and dependent on the Scrin not being aware though. EMP remains the only viable way to limit the damage while you look for your own wins elsewhere.

[@squishymusic9723]

Unfortunately it only seems to be reliably countered by predicting it is going to happen and staying the throat of the other player.

[@rosaparks6479]

That's the neat part, you can't!

[@jia2001]

T-59 are for players who can’t play like a man.

[@Vigilante-3-1]

This is what i have been waiting for.

[@darkfireslide]

1:44:28 the baiting of the prodigy into a sniper team was so beautiful, honestly T-59 is a stupid faction and that was so satisfying to watch

[@alecmorningstar5585]

WE LOVE YOU SYBERT!

[@DerGrafLP]

As a question to the pros: The only thing I was able to think of as a counter to the Hexapod/prod situation that green Zero was in besides Sniping the Prod in the golden moment while also moving his army in the perfect moment.. Was to maybe spread out a couple of EMP grenadiers around your Army and big clumps of crushable units, so that the moment he jumps in, you always have an EMP-option close enough to react if you click it fast enough. Does that technically work? Or can the Hexapod still be blinked away if it has been EMP'ed? PS:Also to Sybert: I am still in love with the music-tracks you edit onto your videos of C&C3. For me, they have nearly become more iconic when seeing C&C3 in action than the actual ingame-tracks. They really carry the C&C3 vibe so well. Also: I am not sure if you adjusted your bitrate/rendersettings for 1440p, but even me with german Caveman internet (Aka the best available for way too much money as we went full on #Coppercablegang) was able to watch it without heavy buffering. Thank you for these videos! :3

[@Visgoth]

Cringe inducing gameplay from the Traveler-59 players. 🤮

[@thepredator8539]

fr one of the worst sub factions featured in this video. Zocom was nice to see though even if they lost

[@adnanrf8609]

Watching traveler 59 is so lame I always skip the matches, global teleport with almost very little cooldown is as riskless as it can be and very boring to watch. Love the other vids tho

[@Sirbancaloff]

T59 should be balanced or ban from championship, so much overpowered

[@OneSybert]

In tournaments where nothing is banned people say something should be banned. In tournaments where factions are restricted people say that nothing should be restricted. There are tournaments for both types of people.

[@MegaPepsimax]

@@OneSybert I think if it were only mirror matchs allowed in tournies, it might make things a bit better. Then you can't really complain how OP a faction is as both players have a chance, then it just comes down to skill and timing

[@tankunext81]

Does anyone know where to download these maps at, I recently got back into playing C&C again but im still rolling Vanilla. Im kinda tired of the same ol' maps for the last 14 years xD

[@LucasOliveira-vc9mz]

How to build harvesters closer to tiberium??? Got this game recently and there are almost no KZbin guides .

[@SethTheProphet]

0:09 That's a Strategic Structure from the Global Conquest mode. Is that custom made or is the model cut content?

[@OneSybert]

Cut content or a campaign asset.

[@KinderAndry]

1:09:15 Why Cabals doing flips? Is there a shockwave mechanic in the game?

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

It's almost always a spectacle to see Leaf play! I really hope to see him in the finals!

[@HerrRitschwumm01]

The finals were already played. Check out Bikerushownz's channel, he already casted them

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

@@HerrRitschwumm01 I watch Sybert's channel primarily

[@HerrRitschwumm01]

@@gamesandthoughts2388 fair enough 😊 then lets hope Sybert casts the rest of the tournament, too 👍

[@OneSybert]

Of course I'll cast the finals. It wouldn't make any sense for me to cast the early rounds of a tournament and then not finish it for no reason.

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

@@HerrRitschwumm01he always delivers! )

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

Traveller and BH were completely busted in 1.02. I dunno how this is any better. Epics aren't toned down at all, 1 clicks are still everywhere, the 100% upgrades are still in the game, no major improvements to the underpowered units. This patch just isn't it.

[@masterleafcnc]

Hence why its still called 1.02+, but that stuff can be toned down even further.

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

@@HQbaracuda I was present for all of the official KW patches, and many of the discussions for the unofficial ones. I have no idea what that has to do with this patch though. There are obvious areas of 1.02 that need overhauls, and this is closer to just a list of bug fixes rather than a serious attempt to overhaul the games problems. For the last decade, people have been complaining about the same issues, but the community has remained paralyzed to actually fix any of them.

[@HerrRitschwumm01]

Is my memory just that bad or are there some new effects in the game? I doubt that I have seen any of those hammerheads' search lights, e.g. at 9:02 on my PC. Is that coming with Masterleafs' 4k patch? Is that specific to that map that was played here?

[@OneSybert]

It's a 4K pack addition. Although it may also now be available in the 1.02+ map packs as well. I don't remember if Leaf added it into 1.02+.

[@KinderAndry]

It is in vanilla game as well, there is campaign mission where these lights are actually scanners. But in this case it is 4k Mod, I believe

[@Cyribuz]

Having to skip to 1:04:00 for a non t59 game, god traveller games are insanely boring to watch.

[@OneSybert]

When the next video comes out some of the traveler games are worth watching I promise. There's some pretty insane games in the lower bracket.

[@Vigilante-3-1]

@@OneSybert I hope shocktrept is successful. I like his wanky playstyle.

[@MegaPepsimax]

Had to agree, all games before that are completely one sided. T59 is broken

[@devinoliver1942]

What makes them boring for you?

[@masoluboxD]

Why, when a player loses all orcas/firehawks, almost never rebuilds them after?

[@anonymousjake]

thank you Sybert

[@kanesgamingchannel9899]

Why are the Tiberium glaciers glowing and detailed?? On my rtx they are just Dark Green

[@masterleafcnc]

Check out my channel, links to my 4k remaster mod can be found there.

[@megadyni7018]

I need the link for the first map... it's the first time I've seen the towers in a skirmish maps...

[@garrettcolon20]

it does seem a bummer that infantry isn't a bigger deal at high levels, but i get why

[@rosaparks6479]

Infantry is only good on defense. It's too slow to attack with

[@josephwinters3612]

Wild card games are great!

[@KucingLunox]

Where people got this map? And how??

[@OneSybert]

Part of the 1.02+ map packs available through the Command Post app: cgf-uploads.net/

[@KucingLunox]

@@OneSybertthankyou sir

[@Liberator616]

ban scrin factions from tournaments. watching players get bodied from someone abusing broken game mechanics that were surely never anticipated by game developers is infuriating, and i’m only observing. at least make it sure you can’t blink units that have been EMP’d as to give players an actual CHANCE to put up a fight.

[@yamchadragonball6983]

Do they ever use Mammoth tanks and super weapons?

[@Mantorok12]

last game has a super weapon structure. they tend to be stalemate breakers in drawn out games. You don't much see mammoth tanks, but you see a lot of juggernauts. Juggernauts are slightly cheaper and faster to build, they have far greater range, and if you play it right, you can reclaim the husks when they get destroyed. To be truly effective, mammoths need railguns, which is an expensive upgrade. But the juggernauts are as good as they'll get coming out of the factory.

[@yamchadragonball6983]

@@Mantorok12 I did see the Ion cannon in one of the later matches. I suppose the cooldown is too long for the super weapons to be truly viable. It is kind of sad that the mammoth was only ever good in Tiberian sun, wish the steel talons had the mrk II mammoth instead of the marv ;)

[@Mantorok12]

@@yamchadragonball6983 yeah it's a shame mammoth tanks don't get the same use as tripods or avatars. I don't think they can really be buffed though, base gdi is already one of the most powerful factions.

[@yamchadragonball6983]

@@Mantorok12 They where terrible in Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert as well. It's just advertised as the high tech super weapon, but it has historically been a waste of money and effort...A shame for such a cool looking and iconic unit.

[@rosaparks6479]

Super weapons are too slow to use, mammoth tanks are too slow moving and expensive to be worthwhile.

[@Kokuyous3ki]

These abilities are what killed red alert 3 tbh., they just went overboard. Were already overboard in this game probably but at least it was still novel.

[@clip-ish7574]

Yayyyy another videooooo ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@freyasanime5274]

How come I don't see any mammoth tanks from any gdi player

[@Mantorok12]

Juggernauts are cheaper, build quicker, have better range, and you can reclaim them when they're destroyed

[@hex9814]

That, and also the fact that mammoths are HUGE which makes it a royal pain to get a good concave going, which basically limits what could be 10 - 16 units in a row to 5 - 8 mammoths attacking the enemy. juggs are just infinitely easier to make a concave with and watch them demolish anything within range. which is really fucking sad since i love their design :/ In short, they are unfortunately inferior in every area except durability, which is negated since they have to get fairly close to danger in order to be effective combat units.

[@Mantorok12]

@@hex9814 it's kinda cool though how it mimics real life military logistics. The mammoth is really cool because it's outfitted to take down ground and air units, but it's unwieldy and expensive. You could get two predators for less than one mammoth, throw in some slingshots behind them if you really need the AA. Big medium tank army has always been a cnc staple

[@jia2001]

Expenssive , slow and easy to pick off with infantry.

[@thesecondtonone3010]

So much fun to watch!

[@FizzleFX]

Don't care what others say *Futurama earned this one* and it had nothing to do with 'Scrin op'. If his opponents can't use something as simple as a sniper team once in a while ~ countering his mind control/teleport ~ they ask to be stomped by it :) Its like someone uses Heli's and nobody else bothers building AA... and then the comments go like 'aircraft are op!' < ain't that a clever statement?? 2 shots from a sneaky sniper is all it takes. 2 teams nearby are an INSTANT kill on that prodigy. He can't doge those shots. People need to learn the ropes, that's all. ps. IN FACT: ALL was done last (and previous game) was trading HP BAR vs MONEY. How does anyone think that turns out?! You bleed out and die! THATS how! You tell me right now ~ how many times did GDI not fight in the middle?! How many things were send around after the 1:44:25 incident. or better yet i tell you: ZERO. All that happened was a back and forth in the middle. GDI never bothered sending tanks, helis, anything around. Even the snipers remained in rather bad positions. One time ONE juggernaut shot harvesters over the ridge... and thats that. SO......... again.... WHY do you play the way Futurama wants you to?! Just attack his god damn base! Aside of flack there was not much to defend it! An engineer rush could have taken out half those buildings and broke his back... What do you think *Bikerushowns* does ALL THE TIME?! Flank and harass- flank and harass! Poke poke poke! He would have killed Futurama despite his "Op Traveler" but sure... blame the game. Not the player.

[@maidenguard274]

Wow dude, you sound so wise and pro. I 'd like to see you do what you told here.

[@shadad07]

Masterleaf Overmind the 2 harvesters full of tiberium deliver to his base like pizza hehehehe. Dunetiger should never let them go like this. what? he though they will come back? there is no coming back after this LOL. perhaps he sought to slow down Overmind by letting him control these 2 units?

[@SolusLupi]

? Those harvs were grabbed by cultists, and were stealthed with Dune having no stealth detection to kill them off.

[@Kugaraya]

Really wanted to play RTS on communities but people are way too good or I'm just way too bad lol most likely the latter. Still good fun tho

[@jackwright2779]

LOVE A FEATURE LENGTH VID 😍😍😍

[@bratzoc1785]

Keep it up Boys!

[@tristan1392]

how do you get the pic in the thumbnail?

[@OneSybert]

Drive made it. My guess would be it's a 3d render (although maybe he pulled an image from somewhere and cut out the mammoth) and then he added snow and ice on top.

[@philipmariaegeanga7984]

traveller is easy just aircrafts devs and pacs then while they aree busy deploy a mothership

[@FizzleFX]

57:15 bunched up Juggernauts. No anti air. No abilities on standby. No clever manouver elsewhere. How did he think this would turn out? Well he finally got some Slingshots... too bad he does nothing to repair that marv at the front so it just stands there for 5 minutes while Futurama eats away bit by bit 1:02:25 is that why people call Traveler op?? ... because Green Zero took inequal trades for the past 10 minutes and got overrun in the end? 1:44:25

[@Conflict-l8m]

Cool match

[@davekavanagh7599]

So silly not to build more slingshots when 4 literally hard carried your army, and then not to micro them to target the PACs is nuts to ne

[@Mantorok12]

but then futurama mind controls the slingshots and sends them on a suicide mission into leaf's base. Traveler just has so many tools

[@malaysianman5941]

this game is so imbalance, Scrin is so strong, can blink with almost no cooldown and CAN cast invulnerability ? haha EA needs to take balancing class from Blizzard .. but the matches are very exciting to watch nvrtheless

[@Ququestion]

Guys you have pretty mixed up the Uploads or just haven't payed much attention to naming the clips.... Why are the Semi FInal beeing uploaded now here when i watched the Grand finals Yesterday night on Green_Zeros channel...

[@OneSybert]

Nope neither. Green_ZERO and Bike casted the finals live. I'm doing VOD coverage. This happens with almost every event. Our channels are independent of each other.

[@Ququestion]

@@OneSybert so are you showing basically the same matches they did but with your commentary? Or are these matches we haven't seen? I think I'm just confused...

[@OneSybert]

I'm covering the matches I want to cover, and they're doing what they want. There will be some crossover between the channels, but I'm not going to skip a series just because someone else has casted it. Think of it as we all run independent channels and we post whatever we want.

[@Ququestion]

I see. Thank you for clarification. :)

[@Spyduck]

@@Ququestion Hearing Sybert's energetic casting is a good reason to watch them :x

[@LegendaryBrah]

Wow, traveler 59 is so insanely boring to watch and unbalanced as all hell. Can’t believe this faction used to be the fun one.

[@superdahoho]

lol, good thing I don't play this game and don't have to deal with this op unbalanced pos

[@WilbertLek]

Zo.... eentje die wel fatsoenderlijk Engels kan praten.

[@pickupmasterygame1991]

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[@RvRsystems]

We want RA3, We want RA3, We want RA3 ;D

[@jackplisken4738]

na KW Supremacy

[@MegaPepsimax]

Generals Evo is good

[@jia2001]

He post everything dude

[@MegaPepsimax]

Nearly everything. Tiberian Sun