URALIC: HUNGARIAN & KHANTY

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@gilbertokoxx3559 4 ай бұрын

These two languages must have separated a thousand years ago, since the words are unrecognizable. And this is the second closest language to Hungarian, right?

@Uvkzomapping 4 ай бұрын

Yes 2nd closest after Mansi

@istvannemeth1026 4 ай бұрын

@@igorjeeMansi is closer than Khanti.

@birdsmultis9171 4 ай бұрын

@@istvannemeth1026I think they meant that Hungarian is closer to Mansi than Khanty

@1970coconut 4 ай бұрын

@@birdsmultis9171No. Istvannemeth1026 wrote the right word order.

@alareiks742 4 ай бұрын

@@igorjeeif Khanty and Mansy have 2500 years distance from Hungarian, then how distant from Hungarian are Finnish, Estonian and other Finnish group from the Uralic family?

@Ainigmos13 4 ай бұрын

Please video about Proto-Ugric language: the ancestor of Hungarian and Khanty.

@istvannemeth1026 4 ай бұрын

And Mansi.

@wintherr3527 4 ай бұрын

I'm learning Hungarian currently and I know for a fact it's the most fascinating European language, with a highly peculiar yet 100% rational grammar. Probably will never come to the level of being able to talk to a native, yet the idea of learning (at least superficially) such a unique tongue is tempting.

@adam.kovacs 4 ай бұрын

Only a native can master the true power of bazdmeg

@wintherr3527 4 ай бұрын

@@adam.kovacsevery language reaches a certain level which is only accessible to natives. My native Brazilian Portuguese is not any different. I don't feed the illusion of ever speaking a foreign tongue like a native does. In this case, being able to read Mór Jókai in the original would be enough for me.

@peasantcore 4 ай бұрын

@@wintherr3527 perfect choice Mate, cheers from hungary! :)

@wintherr3527 4 ай бұрын

@@peasantcoreszerencsét és türelmet kell kívánnod 😅

@sanneoi6323 4 ай бұрын

I always like Hungarian

@Davlavi 4 ай бұрын

Great video duo thanks for sharing.

@hyhhy 4 ай бұрын

You can definitely tell the relation by the number words put side by side, but the rest is hard to parse for a non-speaker of these languages. There are many ways to express the same thing even in a single language, so often two sentences saying the same thing in related languages can be structured quite differently. Sentence structure is a very flexible thing in languages, particularly in times when there was not yet any formal authority prescribing it. As a Finnish speaker, it is a similar thing when comparing Finnish with Volgaic or Permic languages.

@adamsmith13real 4 ай бұрын

Even as a Hungarian native speaker, at this point I'd might find a Turkic or a Slavic language more familiar due to their ccenturies-long influence. Aside from the numbers it's not even that it's not mutually intelligable, my mind is unable to find it familiar to any degree. If I look at it hard enough, I can spot a few possible cognates, but the text overall just feels entirely different. Like English to Russian or Iranian I suppose.

@szalard 4 ай бұрын

I am a native speaker of Hungarian, and still did not understand anything from the Khanty text, except the numbers.

@barkasz6066 3 ай бұрын

Yes and you can do the opposite in non-related languages too: pick out a few sentences or words that sound virtually the same. It'd be interesting what's the longest, most complex text or set of sentences you could build in Khanty and Hungarian or Mansi and Hungarian to resemble each other the most. I've seen sentences like HUN: Fekete ló megyen a tó szélén. (A black horse is walking on the shore of the lake" vs Mansi "Fekete lou mäneh o tou selin."

@barkasz6066 3 ай бұрын

@@adamsmith13real English, Russian and Iranian are all related too. You'll find the same similarities between them. Whenever I see Iranian text or hear it spoken slowly I am always surprised by the amount of European sounding words I can pick out that have cognates in Romance, Germanic or Slavic languages.

@laszlofurmen9904 4 ай бұрын

Khanty is nice language to listen, but cannot pick out any familiar word. ( apart from some numbers at the beginning)

@iloverainbows233 4 ай бұрын

I love it

@ZTGSWOrZaki 4 ай бұрын

Beautiful language video you got here andy

@GeoCrusader 4 ай бұрын

This speaker of Khanty sounds very cute :3 but definitely resembles Hungarian especially in numbers!

@justincasesept92 4 ай бұрын

Before hearing, I tended to think that Khanty and Mansi would sound primal, gutural and strongly palatised like a lot of the Turkic and Russian-influenced Uralic languages. After hearing to my surprise, Khanty and Mansi sounds too soft (even softer than Magyar, almost like Finnish) and not so heavily palatised. Well, I'm not an Uralic speaker by any means.

@leonardoschiavelli6478 4 ай бұрын

Among the only 3 Ugric survivors (Hungarian-Khanty-Mansi) I should say Khanty is the least Ugric of them.

@PaloclegenyIYI 4 ай бұрын

Becouse of Uralic influence.

@PanZerV 4 ай бұрын

But hungarian only has a bit over 20% of uralic

@tommeiner9983 4 ай бұрын

@@PaloclegenyIYIU wot m8?

@barkasz6066 3 ай бұрын

@@PanZerV That's an urban legend perpetuated online that is based on a faulty English wikipedia article that's completely different from the Hungarian article on the same topic, and the source cited in said wikipedia article is a questionably researched section in a 1987 book that isn't even a scholarly thesis on the Hungarian vocabulary but a school aid for primary school children. Even with google being shitty as it is these days a 10 minute search is enough to discredit the claims of said article, yet no one takes the time to correct the article, and any time it is corrected, the incorrect version is soon reinstated. The fact of the matter is that over 80% of a modern Hungarian text contains words of Uralic origin. Specifically 99% of those words are internal Hungarian creations. There are roughly 500 Turkic loanwords and about 1600 Slavic loanwords, but those also depend on the dialect and region, as not everyone in Hungary uses the same or the same amount of Slavic or Germanic loanwords for example. A Hungarian living in Southern Slovakia will obviously use more Slavic loanwords than someone living on the Great Plain. The number of universally used Slavic loanwords number around 600. An average person's vocabulary consists of about 15.000-20.000 words, a college educated person who actively reads can reach 25.000-30.000. Even if we assume that said person uses all 1600 Slavic loanwords, there is no math that gets you the result that "20% of the Hungarian vocabulary is Uralic and 21% Slavic". There's a single Slavic word in the top 10 most common Hungarian words (to speak) and I think another in the top 50, the rest are less frequent than that.

@mysteriousDSF 4 ай бұрын

I'm Hungarian and I would much rather think Finnish is our relative than Khanty. My theory is that, since both Hungarians and Finns have been largely independent throughout history, have kept the original Uralic pronunciation intact while most other Uralic languages have various Indo-European and Turkic influences in their pronunciations. So even though linguists prove that the ancestors of Hungarians and the Khanty split off of each other much later than the ancestors of Hungarians and Finns, today Finnish arguably sounds the closest to Hungarian (this is not concerning grammar and especially not vocabulary, which is very divergent even between close relatives)

@stellaislovely 4 ай бұрын

Khanty varieties have more recent common ancestor with Hungarian than Finnish

@mysteriousDSF 4 ай бұрын

@@stellaislovely I said the same too

@Marcibane 4 ай бұрын

This is just incorrect. Türkic languages had an enormous impact on hungarian, especially during the time magyar tribes lived near the caucases (around the IV.-VI. century maybe). Due to habsburg rule, hungarian has taken many words, and even grammar from german, such as the passive case. I dont know much about finnish, on that you might be correct. But both khanty and hungarian has slavic influence as well (hungary:south and western slavic, khanty northern slavic).

@mysteriousDSF 4 ай бұрын

@@Marcibane maybe stop learning history for far-right groups my brother they're all sponsored by Erdoğan

@ncrranger2281 4 ай бұрын

@@Marcibane passive case?

@KingsleyAmuzu 4 ай бұрын

How did they different from a long time?

@KingsleyAmuzu 4 ай бұрын

Could you make Iraqi Arabic and Persian?

@KingsleyAmuzu 4 ай бұрын

Is it easy to see similarities between these languages?

@lazartamas1433 4 ай бұрын

You literally have to study the correlation of the two languages to be able to understand what things mean in the other language. The everyday vocabulary may be of the same origin, but the two languages diverged for a very long time on their own.

@CatBamkaEl. 4 ай бұрын

YEEEEEEEEE I was heard!

@laszlofurmen9904 4 ай бұрын

The countries you mentioned got parts of hungary after ww1 …

@chirsbeee 5 күн бұрын

Khanty native speakers: only 14k 😢. As I know Hungarians are 13-15 million, rather 13.

@KingsleyAmuzu 4 ай бұрын

Request: Finnish and Mongolian?

@joseg.solano1891 4 ай бұрын

Munji language, please

@gaborvisnyei8528 4 ай бұрын

Mivel magyar vagyok, ezért magyarul írok. Mikor jöttek hozzánk a tatárok, előtte Anonymus ellátogatott hozzájuk, akkor szóltak, hogy mi várható. Hungaro gesta kronikát onnan szedte össze. Genetikailag a legközelebbi rokonaink, ezen felül a volga menti tatárok még a rokonaink. Van más rokonunk is de már ők nem ilyen közeliek. Egyébként a két nyelv között nincs akkora átjárás, mint a szláv nyelvek között, én már nem értem, pedig az összes magyar dialektust értem.

@kavarnyikferenc3729 4 ай бұрын

Nagyon tetszik az első mondata. A többivel is egyetértek, de az első a legjobb. 👍🇭🇺

@tommeiner9983 4 ай бұрын

Genetikailag a legközelebbi rokonaink az osztrákok, csehek, stb. szomszédos népek. Az általad említett népek maximum a honfoglalás előtti magyarok rokonai.

@istvannemeth1026 4 ай бұрын

Nem baj, hogy Julianus barát kereste fel őket?

@Nyuffykah 6 күн бұрын

As much as i would like to have a language relative as a Hungarian, Khanty just doesn't seems like it...

@Jean-HubertGUILLOT 4 ай бұрын

Khanty sounds like a Turkic language

@Kunta-Kinte002 4 ай бұрын

Never, stop turkification, jean Claude van Damme

@PaloclegenyIYI 4 ай бұрын

I mean, he is kinda right. The Ob Ugors used to live more to the south, much closer to Turks. Don't take this Uralic thing too serious.@@Kunta-Kinte002

@tralalallalalolololo2179 4 ай бұрын

It sounds much softer compared to most turkic languages tbh

@tarannumkhan5791 26 күн бұрын

Sounds Siberian or mongolic to me

@PaloclegenyIYI 4 ай бұрын

Please stop calling the Ugrics Uralic! Will you do videos about Hungarian dialects? Oh and I still want to see the Mongolian and Magyar language compared! Long live the Khanty people!

@wintherr3527 4 ай бұрын

I heard there are not highly divergent dialects of Hungarian, the language is mostly the same everywhere in Hungary.

@stellaislovely 4 ай бұрын

But Ugric is a branch of Uralic language family

@alexandertumarkin5343 4 ай бұрын

But Ugric _are_ Uralic, actually.

@1970coconut 4 ай бұрын

@@stellaislovelyIn the meaning of nowadays nomenclature, yes. But it would be important to emphasize the Carpathian-Uralic name. Ancient Helleno-Hungarian language area was in the nowadays Ukraine. So it would be great a video about Hellenic-Hungarian similarities.

@tommeiner9983 4 ай бұрын

Ugric is a language group within the Uralic family. Why would they not call them Uralic when they are in fact Uralic? Hungarian and Mongolian comparison doesn't have much sense, since the two languages are unrelated.