Urbanists are Lying about Trains

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

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[@RonBme]

Why is it we don't hear people in Norway complaining about there EV's when it's colder and for a longer period of time

[@lopezb]

Actually there was a recent report about huge lines for charging in Sweden...also Australia. He explains why (the electricity needed for fast charging at all the stalls simultaneously is a 5 megawatt connection which is too expensive for most stations so they cut costs. The cold weather makes charging times even slower. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqqcmah4gqesrNU

[@bossman6174]

I am from Canada and it is cold here too but my EV is performing flawlessly. What is there to complain. NEVER go to a gas station again, Car is charged overnight and warm and ready to go with a full battery every morning. It is a 2019 and drove 140,000 Km and no battery degradation to speak of. It has really fast acceleration. I am still on my first break pads thanks to regen breaking. I just don't know what there is to complain about. My wife's car on the other hand is painlessly slow. Needs to go to a gas station where you stand in the howling wind @-20C. no wonder she always drive my car. I will get her an EV soon. No problem.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

​@@bossman6174 does your car have a heat pump or transitional electric heating? I've seen videos of older model Tesla's in crazy low temps in Canada but I wonder if the heat pump models will work as well as its very hard for air source heat pumps to work at those temps.

[@bossman6174]

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I don't have a Tesla. I have a Hyundai Kona. I don't know if it is a heat pump or regular heating but I do know that my car is warm at the end of the street. Heating is awesome in that car.

[@Trezker]

2019 Model 3, Sweden. No issues due to cold yet.

[@jackiepie7423]

"we can save over a trillion dollars in public health benefits" I love EVs. Especially ones that can carry a few hundred people at a time, have steel wheels, and use wires instead of batteries to reduce weight and reduce the cost and emissions of manufacturing. We call them Transportation Assistance and Integration Network System, or "TRAINS" for short.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Every time I get the chance, I ask EV owners whether they would go back to ice. None so far have said yes. Admittedly a statistically insignificant sample, but ....

[@busog97641]

Well, to help your survey, neither my wife nor I will. We are using our second EV. The first one was a 2018 Nissan Leaf (3 year lease), and the second, current one is a 2022 VW ID.4 (2 years into a 4 year lease). Mind you, neither of these are in the class of best cars, but they are what helped us to switch to *NEVER* go back to ICE drivers.

[@LynelSeawood]

To also help out your survey. I’m a new EV owner of a used 21 Tesla model Y. Purchased in June 2024. After my demo drive at Tesla, I knew it was for me. I sold my Tundra for a small crossover SUV and won’t be going back to gas. To me, EV’s just make sense in my use case.

[@gavkenny]

To further help your survey, I'm on my first EV and will be getting another in a year and a half when my current PCH deal expires

[@ProtoKyle6]

I don't know any EV owners who say they're "going back to gas" either. I personally have had an EV for 8+ years now and am open to the idea of buying another gas car, but it would be a third car that's just for fun, not a daily driver. I'll never own *Only* gas cars again. If I can charge at home, there is literally no point to driving a gas car daily. That sounds like torture.

[@freeheeler09]

Rugby, people who are already building more wealth than their neighbors because they get their electricity from solar are even more reluctant to buy ICE!

[@wdazza]

I live in Australia and have a 13kW rooftop solar system, which currently costs about $A6,500 ($US 4,200) fully installed because solar systems are very cheap in Australia. I also have an EV. According to my app, 98% of the electricity used to charge my EV has come from my solar system. Yes, I admit I am lucky. I live in a sun-drenched country and have a large solar system, an EV and a garage and driveway to allow me to charge my EV from my solar, so why would I ever go back to buying fuel when the sun is free.

[@MrVelociraptor75]

And that will only get better when Oz finalises Its Vehicle to Grid standards and you can then ALSO use your car to power the house a bit too. Push that to 100% usage! Aussie Aussie Aussie! lol

[@wdazza]

@@MrVelociraptor75 TBH, I've been waiting for this for years. I never understood why Albo didn't do this years ago. I also think he should have made it compulsory for EVs in Oz to make a sound whilst going forward at low speeds. I've lost count of the number of times people have walked out in front of me in car parks because they haven't heard me! I hope if this happens I can choose my own sound. Perhaps a soundbite from Queens' "Don't stop me now!".🤣

[@rtmpgt]

@@wdazza iirc my Tesla does this already, it makes a little humming sound that sounds like one of those old timey cartoon spaceships from the Jetsons when you go below 10kph or so

[@Aamar-g6k]

WoW that is cheap. For me it would be 35k+ for a 8kw. EV are in my Case to expensive, charging cost almost the same as refueling my gas car. I don't see one good point in the moment to buy an EV over an ICE.

[@wdazza]

@@rtmpgt I have a Model 3 but it only makes a noise going backwards. What year and model is yours.? Also, do you live in Australia?

[@flattire707]

I don't care what anyone says, I am keeping my two Teslas. They rock. Your info is great.

[@aussie2uGA]

Yep, they’re so good it’s usually “EV’s” and “Tesla” used separately in descriptions.

[@JusticeAlways]

I was in a discussion with some friends who were anti-EV cars. I explained to them the more people buying EV's the less demand for gasoline which in turn brings down gasoline prices. They gave me a dumbfounded look and said "Oh!" They're now just fine with EV cars. 😅

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

For the moment. 20-30 years from now when most cars are electric gas will lose economies of scale and might get more expensive. Gas stations will definitely be harder to find.

[@aussie2uGA]

Except when demand for something drops off, the prices usually increase to make up for the missed profit.

[@fwskungen208]

Gas stations here in Norway have already started removing the pump's

[@dochi1958]

Yes, we know oil companies would NEVER inflate prices for more profit! LMAO.

[@Neojhun]

@@dochi1958 They sure can keep inflating prices when there is lower demand, that is entirely their own choice. But that results in more demand for alternatives and even Less Money.

[@MichalBartmanski]

Oh boy. Ben, I really appreciate your work, your data driven approach and the patience required to dissect all the manipulations. What you do is very important. But this time, I’m afraid, you missed some key things. I know Adam’s channel and admittedly, he likes to be controversial, and would miss the one or the other fact - kudos for exposing those. However, there are two things you might want to consider, that skew your perception. First, you have a very, very American perspective - you admit that Adam is in Eastern Europe and talks about Europe mainly, but then your argumentation completely ignores the differences. And no, we don’t have many autocracies here (pl, cz), not even a sprouting oligarchy ;). The perception of EVs is (unfortunately) very much as he describes, and I’d be happy to expand on this if you wish. Secondly, his channel mainly focuses on public transport and cities of the future. Unfortunately EVs won’t solve congestion problems, they’ll make it worse, when cars, driving and maintenance get cheaper. So public transport will become crucial - I guess you don’t want to build more highways in city centres. Saying "we don’t have so much public transport in the US, and that’s it" sounds very unambitious. Frankly, as we are already sure that EV revolution is just a matter of time, we need to start thinking two steps ahead. What will it do to the cities, how will it affect our communication in general? I’d appreciate if you included this in your considerations. Still, keep up the good work on debunking EV fakes, the world needs you.

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Never going back to a fossil unless someone gave me a McLaren p1

[@enighostmaster]

the insurance would be more than the cost of most cars

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

@enighostmaster year maybe stick with the EV I payed less than last year.

[@woodchip2782]

😅

[@aftonline]

Unlike Tavarish, if I got a P1, instead of deleting the hybrid system and battery pack, I would remove the fossil engine and make the car into something like a Tesla Roadster 2.0, with a massive battery pack and an uprated electric motor. That would blow the P1 into the weeds.

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

@aftonline the Ricardo engine is built like a swiss watch.whereas electric power is like a Garmin timepiece.very difficult but I do agee

[@JL-st1jf]

Weather you like EVs or not, everyone would agree that if you were waiting to order food at a drive-thru restaurant, you'd rather be behind an EV vehicle than some ICE vehicle spewing out toxic smoke.

[@Rovert_0987]

So is that the problem of the ICE engine or the ICE engine owner and the regulation authorities who allow badly tuned worn out engines to be used ? I have no problems with people who find EVs easy & convenient and if they were marketed like this it would be fine even though around 1 person in a 3rd world country is killed for every 10 EVs made from mining the raw materials used to make them and they actually substantially increase net world pollution not reduce it . However every thing else we buy & throw away also increases net world pollution as well

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

Aww. I feel so sorry for your sinuses, but every time I was on a highway where a wreck ahead stops all the traffic and you have to wait whatever long it takes to clear the road, I have never noticed any other smells or fumes, or smoke, or any of those things that you are crying about, Sherlock, or whatever you go by, do you want so whine to go with those crackers?

[@markplott4820]

AUTOMATS instead of Drive Though restaurants.

[@DrDave_63395]

I like this comment. Even a well tuned ICE car produces NOx and particulates when idling. Neither are good for us human sitting in the car immediately behind 😟 For me the strongest argument for EV is the benefit to human health.

[@Neojhun]

@@DrDave_63395 and Carbon Monoxide and traces of highly potent Volatile Organic Compounds VOCs. Great stuff to be breathing.

[@Mosern1977]

Living here in Norway, its quite jarring when a diesel car passes by and you can smell the exhaust. Cleaner air and quieter traffic is absolutely a nice thing. Electric cars are great, assuming you can charge at home, electricity isn't too expensive, and you don't need to drive far into the wilderness. And Chinese cars are coming for real now. Of course people are a bit cautious about the new kids on the block, but their price vs. what you get is really competitive. (And since Norway isn't part of EU or USA and doesn't have a domestic car industry to protect, there will be no tariffs. Let capitalism do its thing, and the best product/company win).

[@nannyoggsally]

I'm sorry but I'm with Adam on this. I agree with his argument that the best thing for the environment and for the people would be to have much better design series and much better public transit and in Europe is really not that difficult or that utopian a scenario. I am in Berlin and it is perfectly feasible to live without owning a car. Also the assessment you make that it would take hundred(s) of years to redesign series is a number you're pulling out of your but. In fact most cities have become carvdependent and car centred since the 60s. So it took cities about 20 to 30 years to become car dependent and it has taken the Netherlands 30 years since the 90s to Redesign their cities to be bike and transit friendly.

[@danielp8827]

Please check out MGUY Australias newest video about EV’s during the LA fires. Would love to see a video on this wack job

[@bcwest619]

Fun anecdotal evidence that EVs do help the environment: I live in the Kansas City area, so it's really cold these days. It's winter as I write this, and we just had a major winter storm and still extreme cold temps. I went to a movie a few nights ago, and as I was leaving, me and the vehicles on each side of me were coming from the same showing. We all had remotely started our cars to warm them up. The truck on my driver's side was pumping out fumes trying to get warm, and the crossover on my passenger side was also pumping out fumes to warm up. My car in the middle, while getting warm faster, produced exactly zero emissions during this process. Just go outside during cold weather and you can visibly see that EVs are better for emissions.

[@Jcewazhere]

I love how I can warm my Bolt up in the not-quite so cold garage, instead of having to move it to the driveway or open the garage door.

[@bcwest619]

@Jcewazhere YES! Ever since I bought my IONIQ 6, my wife keeps complaining about having to warm her car up outside (she still has an ICE vehicle) while I can warm mine up while it's still in the closed garage.

[@kitemanmusic]

The emissions that you see are in fact mostly steam, as CO2 is invisible

[@kitemanmusic]

@@bcwest619 is this why they are called ICE vehicles? LOL.

[@bcwest619]

@@kitemanmusic I bet you actually think that's some great "gotcha" point. I know that the visible part is steam. Do you you think the ONLY part of the exhaust is steam? That's it? Nothing else? Nope. There's plenty of toxic fumes in there too. That's why it smells so bad and you can literally unalive yourself if you run your car inside. The steam in cold weather is just a visible reminder of just how awful the exhaust from ICE vehicles is.

[@alanboucek]

I follow both this channel and Adam Something. Context is important- VW’s EV strategy has been pretty bad, and it’s right to call them out. Also, Czechia is NOT eastern europe, and is home to a huge VW subsidiary (Škoda). Prague has a great transit infrastructure, but has given over too much space for private automobiles- it doesn’t have things like the London congestion zone, or Paris’ traffic calming and expanded cycling infrastructure. I think that the two channels and Ben and Adam could find plenty of common ground, if you each learn about your differing contexts- you’re both good at calling out hypocrisy.

[@johnwahl1988]

Once again, the Perfect is the enemy of the Good.

[@dstylez1171]

@johnwahl1988 do you mean good gas???...how's the smell out the tailpipe...how's your air quality...how's your bank account? evs are just better in every way

[@johnwahl1988]

@@dstylez1171 No, not at all. As Ben was saying, this Adam person is saying EV's are not the answer, the "perfect" answer is to remake all our cities to be walkable so that no one needs a car. Which, of course, is not practical in any way for the short to medium term. Good are EV's - perfect is remaking all cities.

[@1voluntaryist]

@@johnwahl1988 No need to "remake cities". Elon will kill the need for personally owned cars with the Robotaxi.

[@5353Jumper]

Fuel trolls always like to say "it is not perfect so we may as well change nothing" My counter is usually better is better even if it is not perfect.

[@itekani]

​@@1voluntaryistWhat is the difference between a city full of robotaxis and a city full of private cars? Robotaxis will create more problems than they solve.

[@jiri3312]

Adam Something is definitely not from the Czech Republic. I can tell that just from his accent because I am from the Czech Republic myself. But he’s not from Chechnya either. I understand that the average foreigner who doesn’t live in Europe may not know the difference between these two countries, let alone be able to pronounce their names correctly. Adam is from Hungary. In his video, where he complains about how complicated it is to travel by electric car in his region, there’s even a map shown indicating the area where he likely lives or used to live (you can see towns like Szombathely or Kőszeg, which are in Hungary). This is why I partially understand his frustration with EVs since the charging infrastructure in Hungary is still lagging behind. In Chechnya, there’s none at all, and here in the Czech Republic, we’re only now slowly starting to build it gradually.

[@jaba9960]

Chechnya - not a country, just russian republic. Everything else - 100% correct.

[@mahadali2739]

Affordability was a big aspect of his video, which is why he left Tesla’s out of his video. For many people Teslas are not a real option and those people aren’t Tesla’s target customer.

[@auspiciouslywild]

There’s no conflict between EVs and public transportation and bike infrastructure. Norway and other Northern European countries are investing heavily in both. We should have less cars on the road, but all the ones that are there should be EVs. I can easily bike or bus to work. An electrician or plumber can not

[@bellshooter]

As a european (UK) I do find you to understand US issues better than European ones. There are many urban areas here that are transit rich but many are not and need personal transport to survive, just as you do in US. The 'cheap little ev's' that you berate are sufficient for many people both here and there , with low daily mileage and not road trippers. Although I recognise your good intent , it really is pretty insensitive to non US folks.

[@dochi1958]

Most Americans are born being obnoxious & arrogant.

[@danmartins9407]

@@bellshooter exactly. One of the "cheap little EVS in the image ia the excellent Skoda Elroq". Americans are so focused on Tesla and Rivian that ignore the amazing EVs produced everywhere else.

[@sprockkets]

Adam Something is anti car dependency. He's not wrong that Musk wants to keep cars alive at the expense of public transit.

[@breft3416]

Time for effective electric mass transit.

[@thomaskruger4436]

Ben, from a grammar nerd to a data nerd, you talked about Stellantis “adopting” when I think you meant “adapting”

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Got me!

[@jackiepie7423]

"we can not redesign every city in the world" good thing we don't need to by your own admission. we only need to redesign the american ones, which were redesigned to fit the auto. so yes we can! we just need to make the auto erotic addicts pay for it.

[@kcdesignconcepts5216]

I agree there is a lot of misinformation out there against evs. But trying to counter it with misinformation in favor of evs , is still misinformation.

[@jackiepie7423]

"tens of millions people ling no where near public transportation" he pretty much explained it. build for public transportation not your toy.

[@JSM-bb80u]

16:41 most of the USA is empty. 85% of Americans live in cities. It won't take 100s of year to do it. Electric trains and electric buses are inherently better than electric cars.

[@rcud1]

Diesel trains still move most all the cargo and their extremely efficient.

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@rcud1 They only need 15% of diesel a semi need for the same weight

[@itekani]

This, exactly. I made a similar point and my comment seems to have been deleted.

[@bobjohnson4512]

I see China doing to the car market what Japan did in the 70s. We ended up with better cars that people wanted to buy. If we put in big tariffs to protect our domestic market we will never get better cheaper cars EV or ICE.

[@Rob_Moilanen]

Chineses outselling American cars aye? Where are they sold ? Cause it's never going to happen in the USA...

[@Anomize23]

yeah, China has a huge battery fire problem. In fact they are posted all over and too many to miss. Sorry but china and japan quality doesnt go hand in hand so lets not confuse the two😂 I get the correlation, but they can’t even figure out the smaller products to be quality up to par.

[@bobjohnson4512]

@@Rob_Moilanen That is what my father-in-law said about Japanese cars in the 70's. He and his wife both drove Japanese cars for the last 20 years of their lives.

[@bobjohnson4512]

@@Anomize23 Where do you think your cellphone battery was made?

[@Rob_Moilanen]

@@Anomize23 it's not just China that's got the battery fire problem, it wasn't but a few years ago Tesla had a huge battery fire problem too. It's the nature of the beast, GM and Ford will likely suffer the same problems that Tesla had early on, unless they learn the same lessons Tesla did. I mean, there's a reason GM crushed all but a handful of it's EV-1's. It's better crushed in a car crusher, than in some vehicle fire that they had to pay out millions in insurance claims, GM took that on the chin, and maybe they learned from it. Every major vehicle line at GM has a hybrid or total electric cousin. But will Ford take the hint, only time will tell.

[@godofdun]

Saw this video by Adam Something the other day, not surprised you're covering it. I'd love transit/walking/biking to be a larger part of our solution here in the US (Europe is actually not that much smaller in terms of square miles so the "we're too large" argument isn't as good as people think it is), much more efficient and better for society with less atomization. Problem is we're so much further away from an infrastructure perspective, a political perspective, a zoning perspective, and the climate change issue is one we can't wait on so electrification of the car is what we can do right now to effect a problem we're having right now. I generally like Adam Something, but he's taking too many shortcuts to a pre-formed conclusion in this video.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

So much this. Adam Something is, unfortunately, one of those channels who put ideology first and facts second. And that means that he's unreliable, and you end up having to double check and scrutinize everything that he puts out. Which makes his videos kind of a waste of time.

[@Bryan46162]

North American cities WERE designed around mass transit and walk-ability right up until the end of WW2. It took only a decade or two to completely rebuild them around private automobiles so any argument that it will take a hundred years to put them back seems absurd. That said, I'm not convinced there's the political will to do so... so yes we need to replace every gas car with an EV in North America... as well as push to fix our cities and towns by reorienting them around people and not cars.

[@MrWyzdum]

The electricity produced by the equivalent of a gallon of gas in a power plant will propel an EV 3x further than that gallon in an ICE vehicle.

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

Where is this power station that runs on petrol ?

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 He's talking about the power plants here in the US that run on fuel oil and also coal and natural gas, something that we have enough of for centuries of use. And we also have the mindset that hates EV's over here too, and will not buy them in the numbers to amount to anything that will help our system in any way. The number says it all, still at the 20% level after of all vehicles sold through the years that EV's have been around in this country. Americans are stubborn people and don't like to be led around by our noses like a lot of EV lovers are by listening to the lies and false narrative that your biased 'experts' spew out about how so very good that they are, and not telling a peep of what else they are bad about, lastly being the terrible fires that happen to them and getting more common every day. Very dangerous and destructive fires that are bad enough that it's getting known enough that they are starting to ban them in underground parking lots. Does this info give you any kind of hint that they are NOT the great panacea and ICE car replacerment?

[@zoransarin5411]

@@GregoryStevens-hm4ix Gregory. The world does not consider America or Americans to be the least bit intelligent. The last few years have more than sold the world on that fact. Stubborn is not the right word. Most of what you think and say about EVs is a fallacy. ICE vehicles are 88 times more likely to catch fire than an EV, but your good with that and instead worry about EVs. EVs are better for the planet and EVs reduce most countrys needs to import oil. How many countries has the US invaded or been involved in regime change to keep oil flowing? You think that's the best outcome? As countries go to EV, we don't need to prop up regimes like Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venezuela, or the world biggest producer and most corrupt country, the USA. The transition to EVs can't happen soon enough.

[@BrentonSmythesfieldsaye]

@@GregoryStevens-hm4ix What a load of FUD nonsense from you. Suit yourself.

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

@@BrentonSmythesfieldsaye Thank you, EV nut and truth denier, more proving my point.

[@McMicGera]

If you build a bike instead of a car, you barely pollute the planet at all (in direct comparision). So producing less cars should be the goal. And if you have less cars, you do not need that much expensive car infrastructure and your city or county can spend it on public transportation.

[@rtmpgt]

Yes, but the roads _right now_ are not made for bikes. I agree, put in more bike lanes though. Safer for drivers, safer for bike riders.

[@Supersurfer12]

I find it funny when people tell me you can't charge an EV during a power outage. You also can't pump fuel when gas station turbines are down. Refineries can't load fuel truck on racks when power is down. You also can't pump fuel during an oil embargo.

[@Anomize23]

But i had spare gas on me leaving the fire here in California. Left the Nissan leaf that didn’t get fully charged yet. Sometimes gas is just quicker and more beneficial.

[@zoransarin5411]

For most people, an EV can go 2 weeks without charging. So unless the outage is for an extended period, or happens when you are low, this would not be an issue. Additionally, outages are rarely across enormous areas. They are compartmentalised. So your home area may be out, but the next suburb may well have no issue. This gives you an alternative location to charge where the power is not out. This is the whole point of FUD. It brings on "Fear" to those that can't think rationally. Unfortunately there appear to be many people in this situation. The other thing those people don't tell you, and likely don't know, is that it also works in reverse. If you have a power outage for whatever reason, an EV such as the Ford F150 Lightning would if fully charged give you the ability to have power in your home for necessities for 3-4 days. Your ICE car won't.

[@rtmpgt]

@@zoransarin5411 Hell a Tesla in its deepest sleep state can lose as little as 1% of its battery capacity every 3 days. All it'll be doing is clicking on the contactors once every couple of days to top up the Low-voltage battery pack when that LV pack hits 20% SoC.

[@pensiveidea]

A newly designed city should not need cars at all. Build for function not things.

[@steventrott8714]

I recently used a carbon footprint calculator including 15,000 miles per year of driving, heating and cooling a house, and a few other contributing factors. Transportation was about 1/5th of my footprint. This year I’m focusing on a solar array that will provide nearly twice of what I need. Am I wrong that solar would have a greater carbon impact than an ev?

[@sb5580]

solar first yes, but using it to power an EV will make it more useful, depending on the price or gas vs the money you get from net metering

[@nathansuss]

Please debunk Patrick Boyle's latest video about electrification of the auto industry, so much misinformation about EVs

[@jimgraham6722]

EVs are fine, you get in start it and drive from A to B. Cheap to own and operate, quiet powerful no pollution. What more could you want.

[@charlo90952]

Having a viable non driving option.

[@aussie2uGA]

If you’re looking for arguments against, they’re expensive for any decent models with features and range, they can delay schedules and deliveries due to chargers taking far longer than pumping gas once you’re out of range, the repairability and insurance costs have been higher, the longevity and cost of replacement for batteries, drive motors, inverters is still largely unknown.

[@rtmpgt]

@@aussie2uGA 1: A Model 3 is cheaper than a Ford Ranger and yet Ford Rangers sell like hotcakes for some reason? 2: It takes me about 10 minutes on average to do a 50-80% charge and about 20 to do a 10-80% charge. The last 20% of a typical battery charge takes longer than the first 80%, something called Internal Resistance, see. On top of that too, if you convert those percentages into say, fifths of a tank, it means you have more than enough to get back home, plug it in overnight, let it sit there and wake up to 450km of range _from the get-go_ 3: Batteries are _warranted_ for a minimum of 8 years, and the estimated life of a battery pack is about 650,000km. The cost? About as much as it costs to replace any modern ICEV engine. A new-in-crate LS3 is about $20,000 including fitting and requires servicing every 10,000km at a minimum to get as much life out of that engine as a comparable EV battery pack. 4: If you drive an ICEV like how you drive an EV, you bet that you're replacing that engine in 200,000km. The only reason why you have to service an ICEV engine is all those extra little moving bits that need fresh or clean oil to reduce wear on the bearings, rings, etc. Don't have to do that with an electric car as there's only really one mechanical wear component in the motor drive unit, the rotor.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@charlo90952 - there are many of those already available ... walking, donkey/horse, bike, taxi, bus, tram, train, rickshaw, gondola, boat or plane. EV's don't challenge these where those options work for a particular individual's circumstances/requirements.

[@francisboyle1739]

A penis extension?

[@callmebigpapa]

Ben @9:53 that chart is not a fair comparison since Telsa is not an automaker they are a juggernaut: Tesla revenue streams: Cars, Semi's, clean air credits, solar systems (including batteries), megapacks, superchargers (electric arbitrage), FSD, Tesla bots, AI server space, AI processing service, Tesla Insurance, Robo taxis (projected).

[@zoransarin5411]

It really is impressive when you think about it. Toyota sold around 11 million cars last year compared to Tesla's 1.8 million, so 6 times more, yet Tesla is valued at 5 times more than Toyota.

[@jasonhutcheon5991]

Quite simply, Chinese EVs are superior. Since 2005, the US spent $9 trillion on fighting wars while China spent the same on R&D and technology, especially EV components. Tariffs can be the beneficial in the short term to allow companies to innovate and catch up - but if they are just protectionist, they are always ineffectual. Legacy Auto needs to worry more about their products than restricting the opposition. Another great video BTW.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Agree 💯

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

I see that you haven't been paying attention to the clips all through You Tube about EV fires. I have noticed that a lot of brands OTHER than Tesla are more prone to catch fire, or as I call it, self immolate. It's bad enough that there are cities that are banning EV's from parking in underground parking lots. In fact, in an open parking lot when one self immolates, it sets fire to all vehicles around it from the fact that EV's high temperature range of a fire is twice as hot as a ICE car that catches fire, as in 4000 degrees to that ICE car's 2000 degrees, and is hot enough to melt steel. On top of that, it takes several thousand gallons more of water to get the EV down to where it seems to be out, but in several hours it will start on fire again into the self immolating mode. I saw one picture of where after it was taken to a junk yard, they have to isolate it with about 50 ft circle around it. Now around to Chinese EV's, they are more prone to self immolate than a lot of many other brands. and going off how Chinese products are mostly pretty shoddy, at least in the construction market with houses, buildings and roads, they can't make decent ones and there is a lot of crumbling buildings and roads in China. Now here is the kicker, I actually own an ICE vehicle that amazingly was assembled in China, but in a factory built and owned by the American company known as GM, where in Shanghai, they built a Buick Envision there, and all the parts for the car was shipped there and only used Chines labor to assemble the cars. I'm not sure why but my car has been put together good enough to run so far to 105 thousand miles with having nothing, totally nothing go bad or break on this car. My guess is that since the labor market over there is so bad that if they get a good job, you do your best to keep it, so you do the best you can. knowing that over there GM pays them way better than every other place but over here, what they are paid is way less what the workers over here are paid, making my car very well assembled, plus being a Buick, a luxury brand, GM doesn't want the brand to be going down on the owners like a Chevrolet of the dreaded Ford products, or worse yet, Stellantis products.

[@FreeJaffa92]

I think you forgot to mention the thousands of miles of HSR too.

[@MrWyzdum]

Been made a good point: it's easier to push development in an authoritarian country. The US isn't behind because we spent to much on wars, it's because in our economic system big corporate players have been reluctant to jump in fully. But that's changing.

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

@@FreeJaffa92 HSR? Please 'splain, a new one to me

[@stefanbuttigieg3750]

You point out that you absolutely need a car in the US and that it's true, that's why Adam is pointing out that people should be more aware of infrastructure and that it can change towards more public transportation by time to improve emissions but not only. For me that best idea of cities are the ones in the Netherlands. Watch not just bikes to understand why.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Adam is overstating the availability of urbanised transport though, even in the UK being a relatively small area compared to the US or mainland Europe, and having a highly developed public transport system, there remains a need for car ownership as 1/3rd of the country's population is non-urban where there train/bus/walk approach is non-viable. The UK has dense urbanisation, with high levels of public transport/cycling/walking use and with a high proportion of non-car owning households (at approximately 20% of households) but it is unlikey that it will be possible to increase non-car ownership higher than this. Indeed the urbanisation is highly concentrated in the UK covering only 7% of the land mass, meaning anyone travelling on routes into/within the 93% semi-rural/rural areas away from the available bus/train transport links (mainly inter-town/inter-city), have to use a personal vehicle (such as a car) - taxi's are too expensive for all but the shortest of journeys. However, Adam (in his other videos) seem to have a slant that is against EVs (including buses) - perhaps he see's EV's as eroding one of the core supporting arguments for urbanisation (reduction of emissions pollution).

[@marcelreijnen]

The Netherlands is a very densely populated country with good public transport and bike friendly towns and city's. I live in a small town near the largest populated area. I do almost everything in town by bike but I only use the train to go to centers of large city's nearby such as Utrecht or Amsterdam. I still need a car though because there are a lot of places that are difficult to reach with public transport. If you live in a city center and seldom leave you can do without a car. A lot of people live outside of big city centers so there are also a lot of cars in the Netherlands. Mine is of course electric.

[@davidzz4307]

Your show is the only show on youtube I can watch over and over and over. Your podcast is great as well. Thanks for squashing FUD.🔥🔥🔥

[@Skonp]

Romanian here. What I think people need in their daily life is balance. Same goes with electrified transportation: the more it is, the better. From different sources. Does not matter if you have an EV or not. Unfortunately, my country is far off to this reality. Even though we have (some of) the villages, the cities and the railways already electrified (see 13:11), people are still using ICES because taxes are higher for EVS and EV chargers are scarce outside the cities. Even trains still use diesel in rural parts of the country. That is because electricity prices at charging stations are insane for a developing economy (related to our shitty salaries too), so most people would prefer to pay the same amount on gas as they would pay on electricity. And the railway operator CFR is too broke to afford to repair or modernize our current railways. So to sum up, you can't really approximate how much time you can go "green", you can only sit and pray that one day your government would do something about it. At least in my country.

[@marktracey2088]

The Skoda Enyaq is produced in his own country. European made isn't all "crappy wee models" as portrayed.

[@mr.makeit4037]

As a semi retired small contractor, I moved from my truck to a toyota matrix outfitted with tool storage. It gets 36 mag. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of electrification and also am an electronics enthusiast. I use only cordless electric tooling and outdoor yard tools. But I can't see buying another electric car if they look and perform similar to my matrix.......a radical design shift will need to take place, something like an electrified small kei truck or van and sold in the US. It's not happening. Just my opinion ofcourse.

[@labynoe]

I first started driving EVs back in 2015 and will never go back to ICEs. That much said, moving away from automobile-centric infrastructure that forces people into cars will have a far greater positive impact than just replacing ICEs with EVs. When I travel to Europe, I love how easy it is to get around without driving, and would love to have this ability at home in the US.

[@kitemanmusic]

Live in the city?

[@Skonp]

@@kitemanmusic in the Netherlands you can use mostly any mode of transportation. You can take a bus, or a train, or even a bike in a rural area. The problem lies in the current infrastructure for most countries; it's not a EV vs train thing.

[@fiartruck0125]

Before I was born, my hometown (population

[@vincewhite5087]

Plus a huge amount of profits legacy makers get is on parts & maintenance. There is almost none with EV’s

[@dbmn7571]

Air pollution in major has been decreasing for decades in the USA...far before EV's were around.

[@ReasonX3]

American cities were literally demolished in the past to become car friendly. The main reason why US cities can't have good public transit today is due to car companies that lobby the government to continue car dependent policies. Redesigns required for more public transit and walking areas are not that radical in terms of construction. Buses and trams can use existing roads.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Adam something is pro public transport, Murikans like you never ever take the huge cost of Roads into the equation, huge roads filled with electric cars are still huge roads. i personally have an ev and will never go back to ice cars. I just think that electric public transport is the way to go.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

I'm with you, my first 5 years in San Diego I took public transit for my daily commute. Loved it, just not feasible outside of narrow use cases.

[@Electric_Dave]

@@BenSullinsOfficial It’s all a matter of where you are. Sure, here in California living without a car is a “narrow use case”, but when I lived in Tokyo for seven years, it certainly was not. For us, EVs are very much part of the solution. For parts of Europe and Asia, continued investment in public transportation makes far more sense.

[@zoransarin5411]

The Cybercab is coming in 2025. Your thinking will become reality

[@Robert-G]

yes, the best car is no car when you don’t need one. the 2nd best car is one that you can call to take you home from the pub when there’s no good public transport. cars mean we as a society waste so much money on buying/financing and maintaining/insuring them. plus the billions that are wasted on huge roads worn down by too many overweight cars. all that money is gone, instead being used to turn crappy car-centric cities into ones that are great places to live in… can we flip that instantly? no. but EVs are not the long term solution. sure, new cars should be EVs. but we shouldn’t forget to make sure enough money goes into making them less of a requirement for an increasing number of people… it’s not black/white…

[@unkleoo]

@@BenSullinsOfficial "narrow use cases"..... such as oh I don't know.... "China", have you heard of it ? - Little place with population of 1.4 billion people. Chinese railways are carrying about 4 billion trips per year and 1.5 trillion passenger KM per year. (which is about 50% of all Chinese passenger km) It's fair enough for you to say the kind of things you do about the narrow use case of North America - but you say it like it's a absolute statement that applies everywhere in the world which thankfully it isn't.

[@freeheeler09]

Homeowners in the 90% of the US that is sunny enough for solar panels, come out ahead financially if we have solar and batteries on our homes. Just the cooling from the solar panels has reduced inside temperatures enough to pay off the panels in less than a decade. Batteries, while still too small ($10,000 for 50 kWh should be standard for a three bedroom home). And, while EVs are still too large, fancy and overpriced, they are far cheaper over the life of a vehicle than ICE, even ignoring climate change. My opinion is that affordable home storage batteries will be the factor that terminally disrupts both ICE vehicles and residential electricity monopolies and cartels. In most of the rural US, running new electrical lines is already far more expensive than batteries and solar. And, if your savings on gasoline and diesel are helping pay for your solar and battery system, so much the better. As home batteries drop in price, big gas and wind and solar electrical generation facilities will no longer be Abe to compete with home solar and batteries. Think about this. If you are your own power company, you aren’t paying the overhead for thousand mile transmission lines, or deep sea oil rigs, or twenty million dollar executive salaries, or stockholder dividends. And, as electricity and propane and gas and diesel prices continue to rise, energy independent homes will be far more Valuable! An

[@GregoryStevens-hm4ix]

For one, our president elect will solve our oil production problems just after he is inaugurated, and this country has enough gas and oil for centuries. Myself, though, did have solar panels installed on this house, and like advertised, it makes the proverbial $15 electric bill a real thing, but the payments for the system run $112 for several years, but the bill used to run in the 130-140 dollar range, so I'm still ahead here. I stiill use gas to heat, cook, dry clothes and heat water with. and the bill at present runs in the $75 range which is very acceptable. We still drive an ICE car. a '17 model Buick Envision, paid for, gets 28-29 mpg and at 105K on it, absolutely nothing has gone wrong on it, so it's well built and my easy driving habits have made this car a long lasting one and plan on keeping it for probablh 10 years, like I did in my then '84 Toyota diesel pickup that I put over 800K on it, only parking it because the box frame under it rusted in two, and was still running.

[@FreeJaffa92]

Wow an EV tuber VS Urbanist showdown I’ve been waiting for!!!!!Let go!!! Who’s next City Nerd, Armchair Urbanist, the War on Cars, maybe get RM transit out of retirement, and if we get really lucky we can get “Well there’s your problem” for a flank attack? Let’s gooooooo! 😂

[@Neojhun]

EVs ARE Urbanist Infrastructure. Adam Something did a horrible video attacking Electric BUSes, soo bad his own audience argued against him. That's how tone deaf and disingenuous he is.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@Neojhun - seems he's using the urbanist guise as a deceit to hide an anti-EV position.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

@GruffSillyGoat No, he's just way more ideological than you'd think if you only watched 1 or 2 of his videos. A lot of these train-brained people won't settle for anything less than all transport is shifted to trains and pedestrians. They won't have any car anywhere, ever. Of course we need more investment in public transportation and in rail. But this idea that carbon neutrality can be achieved without building EVs is pure insanity. It's the same type of insanity as "environmentalists" who think fission power is worse than fossil fuels. It's as Ben said - magical thinking.

[@scottkolaya2110]

8:00 that was the correct way to ask. If I would replace my EV with another EV. Not whether or not my next car would be an EV. Huge difference in multi-car households.

[@Sean_S1000]

Sounds like someone who works and lives in major city, if you don't live in a major city in the uk Public transport is a major inconvenience. For me to get to work it's a 40-60 minutes drive Or public transport is 2 hours, as you require to go in to the city to come out again.

[@JSM-bb80u]

84.4% of UK population lives in cities. This would go up to 91% by 2030.

[@Sean_S1000]

@JSM-bb80u that is incorrect, 84.4 percent of people in the UK live in urban areas these are place were the population is greater than 10,000 people. This covers most small to medium size towns in the UK.

[@Vanuatoo]

The main problem for EV adoption is still the price. But this is the problem in US and EU. If you can import EV from China, you could get it for 15K USD, car like BYD Dolphin or E2. I imported my China built ID.4 Crozz Top Trim for 29K USD. The same car in US would cost 50K USD easily and in EU even more. The answer to this problem would be small European EVs like Renault Zoe, but they suck if you ask me, because they don't have good range and practicality. Another solution would be for Tesla to release volume model (Model 2) that would drive the prices down. But if EU could allow Chinese automakers into their market without horrible tariffs, consumers would get access to much bigger market with affordable prices.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Buy used, tons of options in the low 20s

[@DanBurgaud]

5:00 re Battery life/capacity. It does degrade and is guaranteed to stay mire than 80% of its capacity after 4000 ~ 6000 cycles. This equates to about 20 years! Note: batteries do not need oil change. Can ICE engines still be >80% after 5 years of no oil change aka maintenance? And even if maintained, can ice still be >80% after 10~20years?

[@zoransarin5411]

Finally, a car battery at the end of its useful life still retains value. EV batteries are >90% recyclable and therefore have a large value. Secondly, when an EV battery gets to that 80% capacity, while it may no longer be suitable for use in the car, it is still very useful for connecting to your house as battery storage. Most EV batteries are around the 60kWhr size. That's nearly 4.5 Tesla Powerwalls. Check out what it costs for 4.5 of them. ICE fanatics always forget to mention these facts.

[@tuanoful]

shorter range is absolutely something you need to be worried about... you talk about others cherry picking and you say that?

[@Likr666]

The ID.3 Pure actually gets 6000,- Euro off for jan/feb/mar. The Golf 8 TSi (20 HP less 170 to 150) costs nearly the same. Both between 29K and 30K in Germany.

[@larrywave]

Interesting that he only showed shit options as there are so many good european electric cars this point

[@laurentallenguerard]

19:50 Car sharing is one of the best solutions. You get a car only when you need it and let the community use it the rest of the time. In Quebec, we have Communauto which works great with constant plans improvement. The Flex plan is nice, no reservation, just take the closest car and do your things.

[@newscoulomb3705]

In this context, the "West" he's referring to the "Collective West," which does include the United States. So the "Collective West" would be Western Europe and all of its colonies. On the other hand, you'd have the "Global South" and "Asia." I think the greater argument he is trying to make is that Chinese EVs are not only cheaper than Western EVs but also better and more capable.

[@chlistens7742]

oh whistlindiesel has made a 2nd entertainment hit piece on cybertrucks .. very funny but very inaccurate again

[@billdodson1103]

Thanks so much for the hard work. Your really good to listen too

[@superamazingexpertfantasti6593]

Ben is correct that EVs make sense with the networks we have, Adam is correct that investment priority should go towards transit. Also V2G is not likely to happen - simpler than V2G would simply be grid connected demand shifting (your hot water heater and your car pull from grid when the grid wants them to, without the grid caring about the gnarly details of feeding back to the grid). V2H in emergency scenarios is very compelling though

[@plonkster]

Agree on the V2G situation. I work for a company that makes power inverters. They have to be certified according to the grid code. Every country has a different code. You usually start with VDE 4105 (Germany) and then work your way down towards the others. V2G is essentially the exact same thing, battery storage feeding into the grid via an inverter. The same will apply: It would have to be certified for every grid code. We can probably hope for more of a standardising of grid codes, and generally anything that is VDE compliant is fine in other countries... but... this is going to take a long long time. Demand shifting is however already a thing. Even charging the house batteries when the prices are low, and then later charging the car, is becoming common place.

[@superamazingexpertfantasti6593]

@@plonkster indeed. you've provided very helpful info. And V2G relies on a 'surplus' in the device. It's much more efficient to do demand shift *and* only pull as much power as you need! Like if the owner only plans on driving 10 miles tomorrow, then they can simply go from 50 to 55%, instead of keeping a battery at 80%+ just to do some wild energy price arbitrage that would degrade their battery! I don't own an EV, however if I did, I wouldn't like it if I woke up to a 70% charge, with the grid arbitrarily driving it to 80% just to suck it back. Would make much more sense to have it parked at 65% and then just draw what it needed.

[@plonkster]

@@superamazingexpertfantasti6593 Another thing we're already seeing in Europe is energy arbitrage systems where home owners can actually make money from buying and selling energy (my company built such a system too). The home owner has some control over this, they can specify maximum charge and discharge rates, they can specify a minimum state of charge they'd like to keep, and so forth. It gets a bit complex at times, because even when prices go negative (they do in summer, and then you get paid to take the energy off their hands), taxes are always for your account, so you only really start making money once it goes negative by a big enough margin. A colleague of mine managed to make 50 euros profit two years ago, after getting all his electricity essentially for free. Granted, there was the cost of the battery too, of course. The system has a cost function that can be configured by the user, which includes a battery cost component. This causes the system not to do arbitrage if the gains will be lower than the battery cost. I imagine that if EV batteries are added to the mix -- and I very much expect it will happen, just not too soon -- they will do it the same way.

[@suchdevelopments]

Good day from Goonellabah, NSW, Australia. Some people do not like EVs. 🎆Now Tesla is🥇KING🥇🎆. - 🤗Cheers, Ian Cleland

[@0ctatr0n]

Can't be done in the US? "KZbin channel "Not just bikes" would disagree with you. A lot of the European countries started out with road systems much like the US but they managed to pull their finger out and do the work needed to allow other forms of transport to prevail. Think about it, do you really need that 8 lane / 4 lane highway when all you're doing is encouraging the very behaviour you don't want to occur? Even changing your by-laws on the amount of parking spots business need as most of them are 99% empty 99% of the time. This would free up so much land to be repurposed for parks and housing! Who knows maybe the US can not look like car centric s**t everywhere you go.

[@FutureSystem738]

Thanks Ben. After 5.3 years of Tesla ownership, there is not even a snowball’s chance in hell that I’d ever buy ICE again. Our Tesla has been fantastic since day one, and is actually better than day one thanks to constant updates.

[@keithbennett1656]

Cars & small vans account for roughly 10% of global emissions.The effort and resources being put in to persuade us to change to EV's seems to be completely over the top given the best possible case outcome of everyone driving an EV. I wonder if a better outcome for emissions might be achieved if government stopped us being so wasteful & greedy instead in other areas of our lives but left us with our combustion engine cars. We massively over consume.I don't have any figures to back it up but i'm sure we'd reduce emissions by more than 10% if we all stopped buying stuff we didn't need and learned to live with less unnecessary stuff in our lives.

[@antoniocruz8083]

Life without cars is made more difficult because people actually enjoy driving a car, ev or ice, there's a feeling of skill and control. People take pride in ownership and the inside of a car is a private place where one can act almost like at home. A car can take you in the late hours when there's no public transport, door to door, in bad weather and can transport heavy bulky stuff. As much as I love my e-bike i cannot live without a car and would much prefer one that doesn't spew fumes to my face while I'm near it.

[@callmebigpapa]

I spent 1kusd for a 3.2kw solar system for my house.....cant wait to get a BEV and some more panels and never have a gas bill ever again.

[@davidzz4307]

Had my volt from 2014 2022. 2022 I purchased a bolt. Completely done with gass. Even my house is full electric. Done with oil. Leave the oil in the soil.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS BEN 👍💚💚💚

[@pbasista]

Thank you for patiently explaining the facts and debunking the misinformation about EVs.

[@newscoulomb3705]

He is correct to say that public transportation is the better solution than individual car ownership; however, in the United States in particular, the oil lobby is far to powerful to allow any large scale public transportation initiatives to happen. So we must first remove fossil fuel companies' revenue stream, and then we can push for large scale public transportation to make individual car ownership optional and largely unnecessary.

[@kennethskjttstagistoft7203]

Newsflash. The US car market isn´t that big. The EU which is by no means all of Europe has 500 million + people. India ? China ? Indonesia ? Need I go on ?

[@Josh-179]

The US is the second largest car market. You're looking at populations. We buy more cars than India with 1/5th the people.

[@kennethskjttstagistoft7203]

@@Josh-179 Sorry my friend. but you are wrong. From InsiderMonkey : India, a country in South Asia, is the most populated country in the world. It is the 2nd largest automobile market in the world in terms of sales. According to the latest data, India recorded a total of 4,101,600 passenger car sales in 2023.

[@Josh-179]

@@kennethskjttstagistoft7203 , the US sold nearly 16,000,000.

[@kennethskjttstagistoft7203]

@@Josh-179 that is true. However the number for passenger cars is below 4 million. And as we are talkiing about EV¨s this is the right number to consider as vans, trucks etc are irrelevant for the electrified market at this time.

[@kennethskjttstagistoft7203]

However, The 16 million includes SUV´s of which a significant portion will be electric and classified as a car, so the picture is not totally clear.

[@sweetblue44]

I recently decided to get a third car for the household for an eventual teen driver. Waffled between a 'fun' gas car like a convertible with a stick shift or a cheap EV. Started with looking at a Bolt EUV or Kira Niro but ended up buying a heavily depreciated 3 year old Audi e-tron prestige for 1/3 of its original MSRP. I have never had something this nice and now don't want to turn it over to my teen and am considering selling my large 3 row luxury SUV I previously drove when I needed to drive. I might even sell the motorcycle as well!

[@Hybridog]

With ANY study by McKinsey the first thing you shoud do is ask "Who paid for this study?" McKinsey's primary business model appears to be focused on generating favorable data for their paying customers. Any McKinsey study should be analyzed carefully - which is true of any study really.

[@matthewhair6110]

On the rare occasions I drive, it's in an EV, but I bike much more, and I advocate for good bike infrastructure in my largely car-dependent city of Wichita. I don't think getting good alternatives to driving is a pipe dream, and it's also not exclusive to switching from gas to electric cars.

[@chrisbroemel5508]

3:33 Why is this guy using Nintendo wii menu music from ten years ago?

[@kng128]

Yes! I hear that too!

[@elviswsjr]

I’m so tired of all the people claiming that we could solve all our problems with public transport. Maybe in densely populated areas, sure, but in rural areas, especially in the vast expanse of the US, you’re not going anywhere if you don’t own a car and that’s not going to change any time soon. That’s just the reality.

[@NYPATRIOTBX]

@@elviswsjr yep, especially like some places in Nevada and Arizona.

[@sjsomething4936]

Precisely! If you overlay the map of the US over Western Europe, there is slightly more land mass in the US. However, the population density in much of western Europe is vastly higher. Add to which, politics in the US plus the rise of the auto early in its existence has meant that there are many roadways and few connected transit systems. Same in Canada, which has a very small population in relation to the land area. Major urban areas in NA have so-so transit and are somewhat connected, but getting people out of vehicles requires sustained commitment by governments to make transit more widespread, SAFE, connections faster and less expensive.

[@metricstormtrooper]

You're wrong, public transport will solve our problems. US road building has been out of control since the 1950s.

[@NYPATRIOTBX]

@@metricstormtrooper It only works in highly populated areas, outside of big Metro areas not so much.

[@gardencompost259]

@@sjsomething4936. I agree. My wife and I traveled from London to Bristol by train, and it was very nice. Talking to so people in Bristol (in a pub, of course), they were complaining about the train system. Mostly because of the scheduling, and crowded trains. Ok, I’ll give them that. However, compared to US trains, 😱. I’ve been on Amtrak, not very clean, old cars, warn out seats, slow sections of track, prone to being late. I will say that Denver’s light rail is pretty good. However, it has its flaws as well. Maybe my experience with rail in Europe was just one ride, only one sample.😮. We could do better with rail, imho.

[@jackiepie7423]

"heavier? who cares" the wear and tear upon a road is proportional to the 4th power of the mass. that 10 to 15% means a lot more than your little mind can comprehend.

[@michaelmackey754]

Here in Detroit we just found out the Mach-E just outsold the ice mustang for the first time!

[@andraskovacsi2726]

As a person from Europe, we are stuck with these sucky, priced up EVs. Importing one is also not cheaper. Or am I missing something?

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

I'd probably go used Model 3 if I was living there and had to own a car. Should be able to find one for around 20K

[@andraskovacsi2726]

@@BenSullinsOfficial thanks for the feedback. I'm installing Solar panels this year and maybe even buy an EV. For now, bike & public transport is the answer.

[@DrTofutybeast]

You're wrong it's easy and fast to change

[@fozzyrinker313]

On an ICE vehicle gas mileage degrades over time as well which is pretty much the same thing as battery degradation. Another thing is when the ICE vehicle degrades it generally runs worse which isn't really a thing with an EV.

[@philipphilop5199]

@@fozzyrinker313 where's your evidence of this A well maintained ICE car can still get similar mpg to new Same as an EV that has been regularly overnight slow charged is more likely to have a good condition battery for a long time.

[@Illopp00ify]

@@philipphilop5199 Agree, the problem is you can fairly easily recover ICE performance with maintenance and tune-ups. Batteries are non-recoverable performance. I'd much rather have the Chinese battery swap solution.

[@fozzyrinker313]

@@philipphilop5199 I don't have any specific data to point to but I was mainly speaking from the experience of 30 years of owning various vehicles and a few years of mechanic work for a lawn maintenance company. My most recent ICE vehicle was a 2013 KIA Soul base model that I drove off the lot brand new at the end of 2012. It died in March of 2024 with about 260k miles on it. The gas mileage had degraded to about 23 or 24mpg when it was around 30mpg new. You never truly recover ICE performance through maintenance to get results like that you have to do a full rebuild which you might as well just invest into something newer unless you just really love the car. I am ultimately waiting for my Aptera to be available.

[@aussie2uGA]

Cmon, thats not accurate. My Tesla at 135k miles has 265mi range now while my Tundra with 215k miles is quicker than it was new (tolerances open up) and the mpg is the same.

[@fozzyrinker313]

@@aussie2uGA So your Tundra has gotten better with age?

[@yanndooms8892]

I live in Europe (Belgium) and even tho on that chart (full purple) I can honestly say that public transport isn't a golden solution either. If I wanted to visit my sister for example I would have to take a bus, get a train and get a bus again. Travel time: 3h. By car travel time: 1h15. Just saying.

[@rafaelmurciaballester5474]

"Considering that the hardware (cameras, radars, etc.) necessary for autonomous driving is more or less clear where it should be installed (Tesla, Xpeng, DeepRoute-Ford, Mobileye-VW), wouldn't it benefit us all to have legislation that mandates the manufacturing of all new cars from today onwards to be structurally equipped to update and add this functionality? The sensors could be placeholders and the car's CPU could be an upgradable motherboard prepared to add this functionality. In 5 years, a rich man may have a €60,000 car with 100% autonomous safety, but if a poor man has a 5-year-old second-hand car that for €2,000 (which could be paid with reduced insurance) cannot be upgraded to autonomous driving, the rich man will have only reduced his risk by 50%. I hope I've explained myself, greetings from Spain."

[@tribalypredisposed]

I worked at Tesla and I bought a Model Y six months ago, but MOST people could just bicycle and use mass transit and the occasional taxi or mover, and I say that having not owned a car the vast majority of my life, now being 57. I have bicycled everywhere in Tucson, NYC, Minneapolis, Buffalo, Reno, two cities in Ontario, and yes through the winter and summer, in everything from 117F to torrential monsoons to -18 to eight inches of fresh powder. Most of us mostly bicycling is a far better solution than EVs, and if people were taking climate change seriously that is what would happen. But reality is that most people are full of crap when they claim to care about the environment or the future of our species or any other, and the only way to get them to pollute less is to offer them a better product that also pollutes less. For the record, my Model Y gets parked at my mom’s and is mostly for her to use; at 82 with cancer and heart disease I don’t expect her to bicycle.

[@stvybaby]

Los Angeles had noticibly less air polution and surprising clear skies on the last few visits.

[@stevecoinitin7521]

Never takes more than 2 minutes for this guy to discredit himself! He played a video that was very balanced with info, but tries and fails to discredit it! Why??? That video showed the pros AND cons, even if the guy was saying the EV is a worse option in his opinion. The pros AND cons of EV's never get shown in you're videos, so why would anyone trust you're opinion? At least the other guy tried to be balanced with the info!

[@teslarex]

I have a Time of Use EV-5 plan (SDGE). Pay 16$/mo but get off peak electricity at 0.16/Kwh. My powerwall charges at night. Powered house during peak hours (0.56/Kwh). Repeat daily. Run dishes laundry at night or off powerwall.

[@wineberryred]

Another way that we could go car free is to rely on Uber or autonomous taxis instead of owning a vehicle.

[@rtsrts2317]

Stop dictating what other people should do and own. You people are disgusting.

[@Skylancer727]

"Getting rid of cars is a fairy tale" Why do you think we're in that position? But we keep saying that! Europe is not especially better for having trains and tram routes and the US did have all of that. Here in the north east every single city was connected by rail, you can even see all the old stations still laying in waste. Just look at pictures of the entrance to East Pennsylvania and your staring at an old train station. In fact there used to be two of them there. The entire US used to have rail lines and we ripped them out when we decided that we have highways instead. If you've driven over a freight crossing in your area it likely was passenger less than 80 years ago. We're in this spot because we put ourselves here. This isn't fiction, this is exactly what happened. "We can't redesign every city in the world" when that's exactly what we did for the car. Like my home town has the biggest landmark being a giant bridge that's 3 lanes. In fact nearly every street in my town is either three lanes or has a turning lane. Why? Because we used to have trollies and they ripped them out shortly before I was born. And it wasn't just my town, those trollies traveled between the next 3 neighboring cities. We did spend the money to redesign our cities already, we're asking to change it back.

[@alexshagal5474]

I am driving an electric car for 3 years, never going back! I want to buy a new car in a few months and all I am searching is an electric options. So the study is right, once electric always electric.

[@cmdrstevemcmaru7417]

Really, even the VW ID.4 in North America is a great EV and in Europe VW seems to be doing great with the ID.7 and ID.7 touring? The German automakers are struggling because they started too late with the BEV development. They heavily relied on the ICE sales in China as people in China used to like the German luxury brands a lot. This obviously changed when China massively started to invest in BEV.

[@rainermenes5921]

I own an ID7 and Cupra Born, both MEB cars, and they are great cars. The ID7 sells very well in Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway. In Germany, it is number two in EV sales since months before Tesla. The MEB platform is by far the most successful platform in Germany. I am not sure why we have the myth that Tesla and Chinese cars are way ahead of, for example, VW? My ID7 does everything I want, and by intention, I bought it over a Tesla or a Chinese brand. The main issue with VW is that they wanted to sell the ID lineup unchanged to the world. In China, this doesn't work. People want something different. By the way, the great US cars won't sell very well in Europe; not that they are bad, but they are too big.

[@larryc1616]

All legacy auto will go like Kodak, Nokia and Blockbuster. Too little too late. The only car manufacturers left in 5 years are Tesla and Chinese ev makers

[@williambasinger5859]

All the tariffs will do is allow the auto makers in those countries to sit back and loose more market share in the long run. The big manufacturers need to wake up, lean up, and prepare to run the long race and quit looking at the short term profit margins.

[@shawnstangeland3011]

Tesla enjoys massive protection from competition by the Chinese EV tariffs. Personally would like a Nissan Leaf so I can use it as a bidirectional battery for my solar system.

[@aussie2uGA]

The cybertruck should really shine for bidirectional needs and complete home backup during emergencies. Not enough people know about vehicle to everything tech yet.

[@shawnstangeland3011]

@ pretty sure they know about the $100,000 price tag and that its ceo is fascist that seeks to destroy the democracy

[@CyberFitzy]

Hey Ben, I'm back, as a regular again. I love the new format, mate! You've really nailed it.

[@vincewhite5087]

Actual EV sales numbers that are being released. EV sales in Ford & GMc are doing great.

[@rcud1]

LOL, Ford has thousands of unsold F-150 Lightnings sitting in huge lots.

[@zoransarin5411]

Compared to what? Their historical numbers? US sales only or on a worldwide basis? What about profits? Look at Ford, it is the only automaker in the world with the courage to separate its EV business so we can see the financials. Their EV business will likely lose $5 billion in 2024. Both Ford and GM cannot afford to greatly ramp EV sales as it would send them broke. The same goes for all automakers. Most analysts believe that only Tesla and BYD, to a much lesser extent, make a profit selling EVs. The rest lose money. EVs will certainly be the future, and there sales worldwide are growing year after year, but it will be intersting to see how things pan out financially for all concerned.

[@teardowndan5364]

Charging at home is only a benefit if you can actually do so. Plenty of people don't have a dedicated secure parking space with power to do so. For people who cannot charge at home, fast-charging often gets more expensive than gas, especially at higher speeds when you don't want to sit there for 40+ minutes at a time. Polling existing EV owners is a heavily skewed sample since you are basically polling people who can afford the higher price of EVs, can afford to change EVs before the warranty expires and they start having to pay for everything out of their own pockets, can afford the lower resale value due to the second-hand market being wary of (nearly-)out-of-warranty EVs, can already charge at home and have already made peace with having only 200-300mi of range on a base EV vs ~400mi even on the cheapest gas cars. While you may not drive 400mi on a regular basis, 400mi in the tank is two more days between trips to the gas station vs a 300mi battery and trips to fast-chargers when you cannot charge at home. EV sales in 2024 have mostly flattened vs 2023. Most of the easy sales are already done, future EV growth will be dependent on convincing people who don't meet most of the conditions for EVs to make sense to come over. The next 20% of the market will be substantially more difficult to convince than the first 20%.