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[@ivareiriksson6833]

I have a 44 footer sailboat, I have 4 , 340 w solar panels, 48 volts each one, cost $200, 48 volts. 48 v, controller cost, $150. 6 batteries 120 amps each, $120. A 4000 watts Inverter $400, total including wires $2,000. Works everything im my boat, 10.000 btu ac, 50 amps battery charger, refrigerator, freezer , microwave, laptop. Now I'll put a 1000 watts wind generator , I'll have more than I need.$3,000 total. Completely offgrid, green power for years.

[@nicodemuschronos962]

You should invest in lithium ion batteries as they can be used up around 90% then recharged. Regular batteries don't even come close. Use more than 30% of it and limit the life of the batteries overall. Also a $400 inverter is going to break, guaranteed. Get 2 pure sine wave inverters and keep one as backup.

[@aaron092000]

@@nicodemuschronos962 how much do I need to spend for a reliable inverter? And specific models, I thought $400 is expensive for a inverter

[@davesmith2150]

@@aaron092000 get a hybrid powmr it's wat easier to hook up

[@rickczainski9856]

As long as you have sun. PNW you can get weeks of cloud and rain. Not reliable.

[@6969smurfy]

Iv been thinking a direct drive electric pontoon boat, may be 3k of panels. I have extra 10 pannels at 340w...make a small super capacitor pack for equalization on semi cloudy days... like i did with my 24v well system. Maybe make a small battery pack for on board amenities with a back up DC generator. then simply ancker at nights. I am currently semi off grid. I use grid power to charge when 300amp lifepo4s are on low light winter days Of course I only use 25% of the power of a new house. This is the Key 🔑 to affordable off grid. Stupid tax is the amenities that most people "think" they HAVE to have. I digress... I've been looking for a good 56v DC generator. But iv not found a Solid build yet... If anybody knows of good DIY on this please let me know.

[@murraychadwick9362]

When the Texas power grid failed a few winters back I was smart enough to have a Harbor Freight Predator 8750 already wired into my home. We used it the entire time Texas had no power and lived as normal as I usually would have. The drawback was the fuel it used during those 7 days. When we were warned the storm was coming I was smart enough to fill up 55 gallon drums of gas that got us through. Yes it was expensive at the time but after hearing how some people froze to death I never have regretted it.

[@LDSPrepper]

That is awesome. "If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear."

[@alals6794]

What.....Texas power FAILED to provide power for SEVEN DAYS??? I remember that power failure event, it was in the news here in metro Los Angeles but anyways man, maybe you should move out of Texas?

[@slitor]

@@alals6794 I don't think there was much(if any) seven days consecutive outage but as I remember reading they could last a hours or a day or two, and of course it varied depending on the local grid and consumption. But the outages came and went in a series of successions. Which of course is BAD enough, especially in a poorly insulated house. @PracticalEngineering has a nice video on what went down.

[@stanwolenski9541]

@@alals6794We never lost power during the great freeze at our house in Richmond, TX . Our only problem was we did have one pipe freeze and burst.

[@radiobeardstudios9753]

Live in Texas , The electric was out for 6 days straight during that time. Texas is just not prepared for cold does not get that cold here very often.@@slitor

[@russellricksbooks2579]

In the 1970's my dad purchased an old early 1930's-40's wind turbine from an old farmer for $150. He replaced the motor with a rewound aircraft generator motor and added a battery bank of 100 12volt batteries with an AC/DC converter as back up power. We also had solar panels, and a parabolic solar collector, which followed the sun's path all day. Also in 1975, February issue of Popular Science magazine, they did an article on a homemade electric car my 17 year old brother, Jeff Ricks built.

[@thomaspower221]

Your family was way ahead of the game. What are your thoughts on Hydrogen generation for home use, for now, but possible automobile fuels source in the near future?

[@dabbbles]

​@@thomaspower221 Hydrogen? Possible but not likely. As an observer of the world's evolution my primary consideration would be (always WAS!) self-reliance: non-reliance on ANYthing that can be controlled by others. Particularly 'authorities'. Solar-power is a no-brainer, as is hydraulic energy if one has access to a small creek/etc. The weak-spot is the battery-bank, but even that (lack of commercial batteries) can be got around with a bit of stuffing around.

[@johnnyllooddte3415]

100 12 volt batteries would cost 1000s today

[@dabbbles]

@@johnnyllooddte3415 Yes and no. Though the 'price' has gone up, I'd guess that the RELATIVE 'value' would be about the same, or even fallen a bit. (Except for lithium: a trendy product I wouldn't go anywhere for reasons other than price.) But I've learned that there ARE cheaper ways of getting a battery-bank together if you keep your eyes open and your imagination active. All the best.

[@BornFreeFilms]

@@thomaspower221 Just remember, hydrogen is the most explosive gas by far, I believe.

[@ZsOtherBrother]

4-5 years ago, one of my neighbors bought a brand new, complete off-grid solar system for less than $5000 : 240V, 6.5kWh Capacity | 3kW Output | 700W panels (4.2kWh daily average), using deep cycle lead-acid batteries like the ones used in forklifts. This is comparable to a system between your "package #3", and "package #4", but with a "free" set of solar panels, all for $200-$1200 less than the "Mango" product. The system still operates well today. These days, you can find used solar (PV) panels for a fraction of the cost. Typically those panels lose 0.5% efficiency per year, so a 10 year old panel still delivers about 95% of its original out-of-the-box conversion levels. I've seen 110W panels (10yo) offered for less than $15, (there are probably cheaper ones), so a system based on those panels could cost even less if you don't mind an extra panel on your roof, (e.g.- 7 instead of 6 in my neighbor's case, for about $100 TOTAL). Now THAT'S a "Save $1,000's!!!" type of system, that'll give you a solution for power outages, AND save you money on your electric bill... and if you want to cover all your bases, use the savings to buy a charger that will charge your batteries straight from the grid on days with low sunlight.

[@dabbbles]

A man with brains!!!! WTF are YOU doing HERE?😃

[@samanthanicholson9015]

How can I get a system like off grid, I'm on grid and want off but our power people would sue if we remove ourselves off

[@vaidasmiskunas2331]

You are maybe better lucky in Usa more wider roofs you have.Here in Uk tipical roof can accept from 8 to 12 solar panels about size of 400w ones have usually and that is it.But it is enough for some not hungry ones😀

[@ktajax]

​@samanthanicholson9015 I'd definitely read your user agreement, contract. If you absolutely need grid power, Justus very little of it. Build your off grid system for the majority of your power needs. Leave grid power to a wall clock or something verg small other know you still use their power.

[@jkiker7918]

Where do you find used solar panels?

[@jasonbrown467]

i bought used panels and built my own battery. this is the only way the math makes sense to me. sure the tax payer can help pay for a percentage of my system but i probably would have paid top dollar for brand new equipment. i had fun building mine and leaned a great deal. in the summer i run my heat pumps from it, as long as the sun is shinning. i have about 4kw of panels, and 50kwh of battery. i will be breaking even much sooner than most, i dont remember how long but maybe in 4 years from install i will break even, but it was about more than money to me, it was being able ro make my own power, learn something new, for the fun of it, save money and help others along the way.

[@MrMichaeledavis83]

Good video despite the improper terminology. Those batteries do not hold 3500 watts, they hold 3500 watt-hours. Also important to note, they each have a power output of 3000 watts, so they can not power all those items listed at the same time. For example a microwave uses 1100 watts. So while you could power several things at a time so long as all together they draw less than the 3000 watts, if you were to be pulling 3000 watts all at once the battery would be depleted in just over an hour. These are good batteries, but they are a little more expensive than the EcoFlow Delta Pro. The EcoFlow batteries are cheaper for slightly more storage capacity and they are the same LFP battery chemistry that can do 3k+ cycles.

[@williadw1955]

Exactly! "For 99% of the people, your system will run everything that you own?".. Um. All plugged in at the same time? With the fridge running, washing machine running, furnace or window AC units running, chest freezer, lights and TV all on? They may run, but certainly not for long. Let's say the power goes out for 48 hours. The Mango Power website says one unit will power a refrigerator for 2.6 hours. Okay, so let's say you have two units. that's 5.2 hours. So, you only have the fridge plugged in and it will drain all your batteries in 5.2 hours. No lights, no washer, no TVs, nothing else being plugged in while running the fridge. It will take at least an hour to charge each. How does that even come close to powering the devices you listed, if the power goes out, for even 20% of the day? What he is really saying is those units will power the devices you listed for a limited use amount of time. Plugging and unplugging devics as needed. He's not running your fridge all day long along with the air conditioner, space heater or furnace, and his TV and microwave...all working as if he had regular power. He may be able to keep LED lights working for the entire 48 hour period but when you start plugging in the power hungry devices, you are sucking those batteries dry. He should be making that clear in this video and that you need to be doing power load management when using these devices and explain what all that entails. The video is misleading for people who have no idea how these things work.

[@GP-MB-Baden-WurttembergDeutsch]

👍thank you I hope he is getting better understanding in house hold there's running may lot electrical equipment at the same time. You explain very well thank you😊😉👍

[@VisionClearly]

Thank you.

[@dabbbles]

​@@williadw1955 Bit of a sourpuss, aren't you? No matter how big a solar-system I had I wouldn't be plugging in massive fridges on principle. WTF are fridges actually NEEDed for? Keep the bottle of milk cold although you'll use it up in less than a day, and you KNOW it won't go off IF left OUT of the fridge?? Stupid! I have a 42-litre Engel (two, but only use one) which runs on 32 Watts at the highest setting, and is easily efficient enough to switch off at night. ie. it only uses 32W for, at most, 10 hours a day WHILE THE SOLAR PANELS ARE FEEDING IT POWER. Incidentally, at my rate of usage my battery-bank will supply my needs for about SIX DAYS (never mind a miserly 48 hours) without any input charge. BUT WAIT! I FORGOT! My solar system produces power EVERY ONE OF THOSE DAYS. And that power hasn't ever gone off for ANY "let's say 20% of the day." That power-source hasn't failed ONCE in FOUR BILLION YEARS. (Even right now, with some fairly serious cloud-cover, my system is feeding my batteries at 14.8 volts; and the bank is full. But of course Old Sol isn't owned and operated by Mango Power. And finally, I can't but point YOU out as one of the "people who have no idea how these things work."

[@dabbbles]

@@GP-MB-Baden-WurttembergDeutsch Maybe you ignorant comment lost something in the translation?

[@jimthomas1989]

I started off buying 4 P.M.A. rotors PMA stands for Permanent Magnet Alternator , They were $50 bucks each They make 1200 to 1800 watts each . They can be installed on Wind Turbines, Water Wheels , Bicycle , anything that spins , it can make power , the faster it spins the more power it produces . Then I started buying solar panels 2 at a time Then I brought power Inverters Then batteries I have about 3 grand in everything , It's paid for in FULL I installed everything and this system has already PAID for itself I owe ZERO ! This is like one long commercial , I didn't see anything helpful to me

[@Barracuda48082]

Grid down means grid down..no lights, tv, cable, internet, ( starlink down converter) minimal cell phone if any, traffic and street lamps., fueling stations, . Battery 2 way walkie talkies, ham radio, murs, most public services on solar backup (+2000w), noise free so no worry of attracting unwanted attention.

[@Flashbackjacko]

After the big freeze and broken water pipes in Texax a few years ago, we had a 14Kw natural gas-powered generator installed. It was under $10,000 and that was with a new home circuit breaker box and the auto transfer switch. We had a four-day outage not long ago, and we didn't even notice it.

[@SuperSushidog]

Those Mango power units are a simple, turnkey, portable solution, but a little pricey at $3,700 each. I live off grid most of the year in my Class A motorhome and have been doing so for the last 4 years. I just finished the first phase of my solar system with the installation of a 7,168 - watt hour 12v battery bank, which weighs 30lbs less than the two GC-2 golf cart FLA batteries (1,400 usable WH) they replaced. I made them from 8, 280ah LiFePo-4 grade A prismatic cells that have a 6,000+ cycle life - that's over 16 years if cycled 80% every day. My entire system including a self-lifting solar array mounted on the side of my MH cost me only $3,500. Granted, my 600w PSW inverter is smaller, but sized to suit my needs. This includes a 50A MPPT charge controller, 620 watts of solar, an 80a converter/charger, BMS, 5A active balancer, a 12v-12V charger (to charge off my alternator when driving), all wiring, breakers, fittings, etc. I designed and built it myself. I also have a 5,500-watt built-in generator for back-up and supplemental charging, if needed. After the first of the year, I will be building the 48v phase of my system with an all-in-one 3,000-watt MPP inverter/charger/80A MPT charge controller, 3,640w solar array racked on the roof, a 15.5k 48v LiFePo-4 bank, a 38 SEER mini-split heat pump (and 2000w dedicated 220v inverter) and all the components for about $8,500 more. This will give me a total off grid system cost of around $12k for 24/7 off grid heating and cooling and all my electric needs. And this is with no tax credits so I'm not beholding to the government for anything.

[@MadHeadzOz]

To a layman like myself it seems your biggest investment was that wealth of knowledge. Always so much to learn, so little time. Lol. Something I have learned is how those "govt rebates" for solar etc work, in Aus anyway. Obviously the details probably differ but the outcome is likely similar. Here when the solar etc gets signed off, the owner gets what is effectively a carbon credit which trades on it's own market. The quantity of credits is determined by the scale of the install. To obtain the rebate people (mostly unknowingly) sign these credits over to the govt to then trade. The "rebate" or exchange for this commodity is scaled AND capped. Meaning no matter how many of these credits you got the govt only pays up to a set amount but always recieve them all.

[@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123]

I wish I understood all that 😏

[@SuperSushidog]

@@MadHeadzOz The way ours work in America is you get a tax credit for a percentage of what you spent the previous year that you can use to pay any taxes owed next year. So, if you have organized your finances such that you don't owe any future taxes, it's of no value. Plus, it puts you on their radar as someone who has an asset they can attach, and makes you a target for future audits, government inspections, etc.

[@ecobluefarms223]

May I ask you a question (I’m NEW) but I was considering purchasing these two items 48V 100AH | Server Rack Battery And the 3kW Stackable Off-Grid Inverter | SPF 3000TL LVM-48P Is what he is demonstrating the same thing just in a single unit ?

[@SuperSushidog]

@@ecobluefarms223 Yes. Just remember that a 3,000w inverter will draw about 60 amps out of your 100ah, 48v battery. This means you will have about an hour and 20 minutes of full power usage from your inverter. I recommend a bigger battery for that large of an inverter.

[@terrijuanette486]

I WON'T be buying the Mango Power Station. I was really hyped about it from this video and we even went to your website looking at the diff options. BUT my husband said, "Let's watch some reviews on it." So that's what we did. We've now watched TWO review videos where NEITHER of the reviewers were able to connect to the app because they COULD NOT register their station. That's HUGE since it's the app that controls MOST of what you can do with the station(s). MANGO POWER: GET A CLUE!!!! Just set up your app to ACCEPT ANY NUMBER!!!! Shesh! Do you really think anyone will use your app that doesn't have one?? Whatever!! This is SOOOOOO frustrating. Not only that, you make it impossible for someone to operate the device w/all its capabilities w/o the app. That's crazy! I won't be spending $10K for something that backwards. No thank you.

[@scotsmuscle]

Thank you

[@troyyarbrough]

Yes sir. All most people need is a simple grid-down battery backup system. My backup system consists of four 12 volt deep cycle AGM batteries (122 ah each) and a 3000 watt psw inverter. A 20 amp charger keeps the batteries hot and ready for a power outage. While it doesn't have a UPS function, it does what we need it to do. It's a 12 volt system so I can run my 12 volt dc LED lights and a few other 12 volt appliances. In the summer of 2021 our power was down for about 6 hours in the 90+ degree Texas heat. This setup ran a 8000 BTU window unit and kept our refrigerator cold the whole time. I just recently purchased four 100 watt solar panels and a 20 amp charge controller, but have not set them up yet.

[@fun4all2go]

I live offgrid since 2019. Total 3200 watts in solar panels Charge controler 20 000 watts (20kilowatts) in batteries 3500 watts inverter/charger (this is a bare minimum recommended wattage in my own experience) Plus built a "power" house to hold panels (tiltable) and protect all equipment. Total investment: 9700$ (Canadian dollars) In winter, snow removal is not an issue with the panels almost vertical the snow doesn't stay on it. Plus I get more light from the reflection of the sunlight on the snow on the ground. My investment already been paid compared to when I had electric utility service provided by the grid (was paying 2200$yearly in electric bills).

[@mimiseeyou]

I’ve text David twice before asking about items in the store and he exchanged several texts with me both times. I enjoy doing business with him and I support what he is about. Vote with your dollars y’all.

[@JesusChristIsLord07]

If I paid $90,000 for a solar system with back up, I better be 100% off grid with enough replacement panels, batteries, spare inverters, amps, and charge controllers to replace everything at least twice. That’s insane

[@dabbbles]

Insane indeed. As is the very idea of entertaining such a prospect. First of all adjust your usage. Next: prices: Panel between 10cents and 40 cents per Watt. Batteries: UNDER $3 per ah. ONE inverter ( about 500 Watts is all you need: or none at all if you're happy to run your house-electrics on Direct Current*) about $300. Regulators (charge-controllers) available for about $15 per 20-amp or up to 100-amp for about $25. I don't know what you mean by "amps". Amperes are a measure of power NOT a piece of equipment. Nor do I understand why one would want "replacement" equipment. After 40-odd years I've never had to replace ANYTHING, apart from a solar-panel broken by a horse!, and batteries which DO have a lifespan, depending on how you treat them. I've come to expect 6 years out of recycled/second-hand L/A batteries. (and used the expired ones as building components. eg replace the acid with water and used them to build a north-facing HEAT-ABSORBING wall for a greenhouse. (the possibilities are limited only by one's imagination. * perfectly feasible in this day and age: Many of your electrical equipment (eg your computer) runs on DC which has been reduced from 240 AC (here in Oz.) You'd need slightly heavier cabling, but well worth considering.

[@RockCrushing777]

PLEASE build a faraday cage and place any spare electronic parts inside. i have done this because of the many electrical and EMP sources that can easily wreck havoc on all electrical and Eprom based electrical circuits. this goes for everyone out there. being cold hungry and in the dark is no fun . as i have found it is not what we think will harm us it is what does harm us that comes from the unknown and does thoroughly and completely. be safe out there.

[@dabbbles]

Couldn't agree more. My first (overdone) system cost me $1200 in 1980. More recently I've been putting up systems for some local Oldies for about $300 all-up excluding labour costs (which I don't charge.) A lot of these oldies are paying more for their 'connection-charges' per month than for the power they use.

[@happymack6605]

I had no idea that some people have been duped into buying solar panels without battery backup 😮 I just can’t imagine 🤦🏽‍♀️. Thank you for your always informative and caring videos.

[@ashyslashy5818]

just DIY a lithium battery Bank with charge controllers and save a mega ton of more money

[@cybernoid001]

a lot of times, its not even mentioned. they sell it by saying you'll sell excess power during the day and use what you need during the normal day, and you buy the cheap power form the power company at night. Rarely are the batteries ever brought up as an option from a lot of these companies, because when you include the battery backup, charge controllers and mandatory grid shutoff switch, (because its a big big fine to feed back to the grid when power is out for safety to the line workers) the cost is so high, they rarely make sales to average people. So they aren't really being duped, just not told the other available options to make a better decision of. And most people aren't preparedness minded, they just want cheap power.

[@visamedic]

Trying to tell my parents that. I’m not sure what they’re investing money wise, but I told them they need some kind of back up. I have a feeling summer, in the Ca Central Valley, is gonna be a b!t@#.

[@guytech7310]

"people have been duped into buying solar panels without battery backup" I can! Remind me how many people supported Obamacare: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor :)

[@tookster7483]

I had a $60,000 system installed 6 months ago and i WANTED a battery backup, but the salesman convinced me to not get it. I love my system, but this just pisses me off.

[@daviso4954]

I spent $16,000 on an off grid solar system with 30 400W of pv panels and controllers that provides 240 split phase with 30 kWh of battery power for grid down events. After rebates and federal and state tax credits I paid $9000. My return on investment is 5 years. Best decision and work I have done.

[@davidwright4211]

Great deal how can anyone spend $90k on solar . Snake oil salesman.

[@dhat1755]

can you supply a link?

[@daviso4954]

@@dhat1755 check out Signature Solar

[@vdubsterw2516]

You sir have given the best advice ever! I live in a remote area but im on the grid. Everybody around me is invested in solar panels with batterries on grid. They payed over $50,000 for the system. I use an old diesel generator and batteries i pulled out of a cell tower which i aquired for free. When pge shuts my power down due to fires or storms. I run off a pure sine wave inverter hooked to my batterries and then i kick the generator on to charge them back up whenever ever i leave the house to get supplies. Super simple, super cheap, super easy. Grid down power is the only thing you need.

[@someguy-xi2xq]

Iv never needed backup power all my life (63 yrs) till this pg&e fiasco. That and moving to Tehama county. They used to turn off power for days on end after the fires. They turn off the power for flooding too. Be ready if your not in the city.

[@michaelgresham1980]

So you have a power station that is juiced by batteries, and then once the batteries are out, you use the generator to charge the power station and batteries? I am new to this, so why not just use the generator full time?

[@vdubsterw2516]

I have a different set up now. I ditched the lead acid batteries that i got from the cell tower and invested in agm batteries. I have the generator just in case the power is out for a very long time. I can use the generator to trickle charge the batteries at the same time i power the house. Its a big diesel so it is not effected by power load up. But if the power goes out for lets say 12 hours or less, i can run the house minimally with the charge on the agm batterries. They are constly trickle charged by the power company when the power is on. The agm batteries are much better then the lead acid style. The power has gone down about 5 times so far this past year and it was out for about 6 to 10 hours everytime. The agm batteries had enough charge in them to keep my critical cicuits powered the whole time without having to turn the generator on.

[@michaelcain1870]

I think for the cost I would go with propane for down grid scenario. A 420lb tank and 4650W generator is about $2000. Add in another $1500 for install and tank fill, and for $3500 I can have a system that will power my house for a month running at 12 hours per day. For another $250 in propane, I can run for another month. Propane is always there and never goes bad and the generator will never crap out due to bad fuel. Plus, I can run a gas heater and stove off the same tank.

[@truthseeker9688]

Well...I have been hearing rumblings that THEY plan to limit propane.

[@melissam450]

That’s assuming you can get propane.

[@danythrinbell1596]

@@melissam450 from shit you can get as much as you need

[@ElohimIsLove]

If a EMP is sent, there will be NO gas OR propane available ...... to the average folks. Maybe at ”First” to those who can afford $8.00 per gallon STARTING. But when the Middle East, raises oil to an ungodly price .... and threatens to cut us off (or does) because of our alliance with Israel, OR war with their allies ....... our government, will be quick, to keep the reserves for themselves. ❤ Oh wait 😮 ...... that's right! Biden already used our reserves! Nevermind.

[@Lulu-he9dp]

I just want to thank you for researching, explaining the system, and giving us the opportunity to buy at a sale price if we choose to. I see hateful and negative comments and wonder what they are doing to help anyone, but their attitude is their issue. We can all learn from what you share and decide if it works for us or not, so I appreciate all you do! God bless you and your family!!!

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

They're trying to warn people that even with his sale price (because this video is just an advert for mango power) there are plenty of cheaper batteries out there which could do the same job while saving you thousands.

[@fvrrljr]

@@hurrdurrmurrgurr photovoltaic/solar thermal technician here you are correct-a-mundo

[@commonsense.1014]

You should check out Diy with will prowse

[@LEO-pc6hc]

I want a grid down system. My only option is to charge on grid power. HOA doesn’t allow solar nor portable gens sadly. I’m looking for 7000 watt storage. Don’t need 240 right now but I’d like to have it. Do you only sell only mango. Truthfully I like the ecoflow better at this moment. Perhaps once I know about the advantages of mango

[@barryboothe3408]

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[@degu44]

Great information. I have a similar system in the UK using two PowerOak Portable Power Stations EB240. They are 2400Wh each but only output 1000watt each at any time. But enough for running fridge freezers, the microwave, TV, Desktop PC and a laptop. I can also plug in our Aircon unit if needed. Obviously, the more appliances you plug in the less time the power is available.

[@truthalonetriumphs6572]

Don't say great information. He talks as if they will run all day.

[@stevehurst7526]

Where I am you cant just feed power to your house circuitry when the power is out. You need some kind of a transfer switch if your connected to the grid. If the power is out because they shut it off to work on the lines and your feeding power to a wall plug, its connected to the grid. Your making the grid wires live. You would have to have the switch and wire it to your main panel.

[@heavenismydomicile3280]

If you have large amounts of $,why not acquire a private transformer to power your home & connect it to a kohler or generac generator

[@AlternativeHomesteading]

We had a snow and ice storm with - 3 degrees. All the solar panels were covered in ice and snow with no sun. This is a serious negative consequence.

[@LDSPrepper]

That is exactly why I am recommending this solution. No solar needed. works 24/7

[@ashyslashy5818]

just DIY a lithium battery Bank with charge controllers and save a mega ton of more money

[@roberthealey7238]

Doesn’t work if you can’t recharge… You also need to determine how you are going to recharge in an extended grid down situation. Rooftop solar is what should be avoided if at all possible since they tend to be grid only and difficult to clear snow/ice from.

[@simon359]

@@roberthealey7238 That’s only if you get a grid tide system. There are a number of methods, like the transfer switch to go off grid, so your system won’t go down when grid tide. Or just completely be off grid and build a second panel for critical things in the house, like refrigerator and freezer and heat.

[@WhatDoestheFutureHold]

@@ashyslashy5818 what company would you recommend? Buy from Amazon? I live in Quebec Canada.

[@_AandO_]

@LDSPREPPER ...PER EMP SHIELD... @12:16 EMP Shield WILL NOT Protect the Mango Power Es. They need to be protected by a Faraday Cage or Bag. EMP Shields will only protect the AC Portion of the unit, not the DC or the ports the solar panels plug into.

[@jmaxton]

Good system, except that I've heard that there are problems with the app and some people complain that you MUST use their app to do things. In my opinion the Bluetti AC300 + 1*B300 system is comparable and slightly better quality and has a longer track record. But I do agree that the all-in-one units are better for a 'grid down' scenario than a far more expensive setup and are likely the future of solar. The best feature is these units can be expanded and converted to an 'off grid' use for much cheaper than the 'old traditional' solar setup.

[@stevezelev7008]

Consider converting your generator to a propane using generator. Propane lasts essentially forever where gas goes bad after 6 months-ish. I have 100lbs of propane that will run my 2000watt Yamaha generator for a month. American Carburetor sells the conversion units for about $60.

[@immrnoidall]

I started out with older computer UPS Battery backup systems that usually come with one or two 5 amp hour batteries that die after a couple years. Then the inverter is tossed and you can get them for cheep or free and stick a giant 100 amp hour Walmart battery on it for under a hundred bucks . These may only be 400 500 watts , but you can put it inline with light circuits in your home and never worry about the lights going out. 400 500 watts will run run a lot of LED or florescent lights and charge phones Radio ,tv. or security system. It really cool. Automatically switches to batteries during power outages, and switches back to house power when the power comes back on or you start a generator and starts charging. You don't need a lot of money to be safe. visit your town dump. Or "transfer station" as they call them today.

[@borandell9915]

Very good video. This is the route I'm going. I recently purchased the Bluetti AC500 system which includes a 5000-watt inverter (output) and expandable up to 6 separate 3kwh batteries (total 18kwh capacity). Also, expandable to 36k storage in split phase if you purchase another AC500 inverter. The prices between Mango and Bluetti are similar. Not sure about the warranty differences. Bluetti is 4 years. This is definitely the best bang for your buck. And you can grow into these with the expansion capabilities if you don't have the $10k-$15k to spend on it up front. These are fractions of what people have been spending on complete systems. And, its portable if you need it to be. "Whole House Power at Portable Power Prices", indeed.

[@slaaptabletvijfmg499]

A1

[@heatherk8931]

I got the AC200MAX, but the CD sucks! If you need questions answered

[@borandell9915]

@@heatherk8931 I know. I've had pretty good luck with my purchases from Bluetti. But I read the blogs and they are not good. But I really believe that Bluetti is a superior product, but they are rolling these units out too fast. And they will admit that right now they are playing "catch up" to meet the demand while maintaining adequate QC and customer service. Obviously, if they don't fix that they will not be around much longer. But I believe they will fix it. Tesla had/has the same problem. It's a wildly popular product.

[@lindac6378]

You all eay it runs your fridge, tv,toster oven. Yes but can you use your toaster oven the same times it's running your fridge n TV to?

[@borandell9915]

@@lindac6378 Yes, it can run all that. As for how long you can run it, is a function of how many batteries you add to your system.

[@savannahrei8674]

Since i already had a big propane tank I bought a 24kw propane generac for under $10K installed. I figured that I could turn everything on in my house and run it for a week before I ran out of propane but the reality is that for $1k you could get by with a 6kw gas powered generator wired into your panel and run what you need until the grid comes back on.

[@oldtimerlee8820]

I have a 9500w dual fuel generator connected to a 500 gal propane tank. We already cook & heat with propane that's supplied under annual contract pricing. Have a few 5 gal cans of treated gasoline in a shed for just in case, as well. Gasoline periodically rotated.

[@warthogA10]

🤷 I spent $1600 for a 9,500 running 12,500 peak watt portable generator and the inlet/lockout kit. I can keep everything I need running with it.. I have an oil/steam heating system with tankless hot water.. and it stays on with zero problems.. Yes, I have to roll it outside, get it hooked up and start it.. but it's not a problem. If it ever does get to be an issue for health reasons, I'll pay a few bucks to have it all set up to be semi-auto (as it has a remote start) 🤷

[@warthogA10]

​@@oldtimerlee8820mine is dual fuel too, but you get less power using the propane.. But if it comes down to ability to get gas when needed, having it hooked up to a large propane source is nice.

[@oldtimerlee8820]

@@warthogA10 Storage space required for an equivalent amount of power from gasoline is a big factor. Especially when 5 gal cans, travel expense and manual labor to use is factored in. Another is the shelf life of gasoline vs propane. As long as the container doesn't leak, storage of propane is practically unlimited. Without additives, shelf life of gasoline, especially with ethanol is very limited. BTW, just got notice of the upcoming 2024-2025 propane home heating contract price. It dropped $.20 per gallon from last season. Was expecting the quite the opposite.

[@warthogA10]

@@oldtimerlee8820 .. all you explained is why I stated having the ability to use propane as well is great. For average, short term outages, I use gas. But once my two large cans are empty.. it's nice to have the ability to switch over, especially if the outage will be much longer, as we've seen outages of 1 to 2 weeks at times over the past 10+ years.. With all the solar BS.. wait until the population sees what happens to those prices if they ever succeed in actually stopping the general population from access to fossil fuels. Of course.. the elites will always have access. They'll explain they're more sophisticated and THEY know how to use them responsibly and they're important so they have no choice.. 🤷 And they will start implementing rules, laws/regulations on which solar panels you can have, how many, how and when you're allowed to use that energy and how much at a time.. Just as they have water restrictions in many places.. there will be energy restrictions .. because it's all been about power and control over the resources, the general wealth, and the general population.. all along. That's what the entire 'global warming/climate change' scam has been about..

[@murraymallinson1337]

Your solution may be 100% correct for USA but not for South Africa. This past year we have had 200 days of load shedding where we had on average 6 hours and sometimes 8 hours without power due to our corrupt government. I have spent approximately R120 000 (US$7100) on a 12 solar panel system with 15 k/w Lithium battery pack and a 5 k/w inverter. I have 6 refrigerator/ freezers running and sometimes I do welding off my system. I am now during the summer months completely off grid and during the winter months semi off grid. But I don't have any load shedding.

[@dabbbles]

You are aware of the HUGE risks of Lithium batteries exploding and burning down your house, I presume. Every week here in Oz a fire is created by Lithium batteries, not counting the endless other fires in smaller things (battery-powered bikes/lawn-mowers/wheelchairs .) I've been around a VERY long time and wouldn't go anywhere near thi crap. There were ominous hints coming from the industry/insurance companies even long before Lithium batteries had even been herd off by most people. BE CAREFUL.

[@PersonalStash420]

@@dabbbles Electricity is very dangerous in any form. Perhaps you will be safer just burning wood for heat and light. 🤣🤣🤣

[@kingkinit8120]

I live in a 120square foot tiny home in an Island here in the Philipines and power sometimes goes out when you need it. My work is online so availability of power is crucial. I have a 12V system with 3units 200 Watts solar a 150AH lead acid battery. During day time I'm using the solar system for 1 laptops w a monitor using a small car inverter and electric fan and lights are 12 DC. As long as it's not stormy i can do my work. Dring the night I'm using AC form the laptops and electric fan( I have 1 AC fan ans the other is DC). I'm plaaning to get a 12V freezer next.

[@lamasteve6905]

LDS isn't stupid ! Get your screw driver out ! 200 watts is 200 bucks, Lithium Ion battery's are 275 100ah. Put one 200 watt solar panel up for each 100ah lithium battery ! Use a MPPT controller and a 2,000 watt inverter and build system ! 4 panels, 4 batteries ! Do the math ! 2,000 watt inverter 130 bucks. Charge controllers are under 100 bucks ! Build it as you go ! 4 panel 1,000 bucks, 4 lithium battery's 1,200 bucks ! No secrets here ! Pick your solar company well ! Rich Solar is a good one !

[@billscheller577]

Then you have a week of cloudy days, know sun, then what?

[@a-dub4323]

Then the battery kicks in what do you expect

[@jamesmoore6424]

So it would seem that you're missing the main idea of a prepper. For a true SHFT occurrence. You are going to need both. If the situation is truly going to post apocalyptic clearing the snow, dust, volcanic ash, or even fallout off your panels will be required. Fuel for a generator will not last. Your several hour blackout is a camping exercise. I am suggesting months!

[@jonathanbuford1793]

I was thinking the same thing invest now and buy extra batteries and solar panels as you find deals and store them. Best batteries period 8 years old hmmm

[@Gendo3s2k]

Keep in mind that it will run all of those appliances and electronics, but for only an hour, do don't try to max it out at 3Kw, so it lasts longer

[@rickclooney5461]

Exactly, the will NOT last any more than a couple hours if you only put small items on it. They are a joke. Take the money you would spend and just buy a Generator, Gas or Diesel in the first place.

[@hankreszka9319]

Spot on. Most houses consume an average 20 to 30kwh per day if your heat is gas or oil. This is nothing.

[@lindac6378]

@@rickclooney5461 was wondering how long you can run everything at once thankyou. Good to know I can only run my frizzers n toaster oven for a couple of hours before all my power dies n have to take 10 hours to recharge.

[@melissam450]

@@rickclooney5461 how are you gonna run that gas generator if you don’t have access to gas? Again people are not thinking grid DOWN. You are all stuck on “off grid”. If the SHTF there will be NO gas, NO propane other than what you have on hand when it happens.

[@dabbbles]

@@rickclooney5461 And take your chances with getting'storing fuel!

[@65Jessev]

Grid down is well and good for the short term, but if the grid stays down you must generate and store your excess power. If the grid is down for any real length of time, do not power your lights, or if you must, keep them blacked out and invisible. If the Fed is allowed to institute Central Bank Digital Currency, the grid will be the least of our worries. Cashless is digital SLAVERY!

[@garyaltenburger6667]

I have been using solar power for more than 10 years now. My components have been totally trouble free but my battery banks, even though I never discharge them more than 50 percent. I have replaced them three times already and the deep cycle lead acid batteries ARE expensive. The top of the line Globatt batteries are the worst I have ever had. I recently had those two 200 AH batteries go bad. I was about to just shut down that small system rather than replace the batteries. I finally bit the bullet and bought a lithium ion 200 AH battery. That battery works better than I had dreamed. No more lead acid batteries for me. That one battery easily replaced two 200AH deep cycle batteries. I did have to buy a charge controller compatible for lithium ion batteries.

[@immrnoidall]

You are right. I've had a bunch of solar still in boxes But once I got the batteries and a big UPS plugged in and keeping batteries. The lights don't go out in my house. Once lithium is charged full, they stay full and use next to nothing to maintain them for uninterrupted power.

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

Depending on your age and health there's nothing wrong with just a solar installation to save money on bills. My Father's array has accrued at least £600 a year from feed in tariffs that have been helping to offset electricity and gas bills for the best part of a decade. It cost £8k to install because we knew the installer and helped to install it. We're definitely in the ballpark of having the solar system pay for itself.

[@stephenboyd4934]

Well we've got a solar system on the roof for 12 years now & it cost nothing, because the roof is rented out for 25 years. So completely free electric also I recently purchased some lithium battery generators to store power for the night time .

[@dabbbles]

Right approach, but (speaking for my own local experience (Melbourne Australia) you paid far too much. My first system (1980) cost about 10 times as much as what I can get these days. Certainly worth it (and is STILL working at about 80% of it's rating) but these days I can set up a useful (STAND-ALONE) system for about $1000. (which DOES rely on restrained/intelligent usage.) I emphasise 'stand-alone'; otherwise why bother? Here in Oz grid-connected systems now are billed for 'grid-connection' and charged a fee for power fed into it. AND the grid-connect inverter won't work UNLESS it's connected to a working grid. (ie. in a blackout situation your lights/etc. don't function.

[@ErvigHenry]

That's a great point about the benefits of solar installations for saving money on bills! However, if you're looking for a portable power solution for outdoor adventures or backup power at home, I'd recommend considering the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. It offers massive capacity, super fast recharging, and a durable design suitable for any adventure. Check it out!

[@fuzzylogic33]

​@@stephenboyd4934try selling your house with the rented roof, you wont be so cocky 😂

[@stephenboyd4934]

@@fuzzylogic33 it's not for ever dumb SHlT, by they way you do understand we own nothing when you registered your home on the land registry list. It's ignorance of people like you that spread stupid rumours. My electric bill is cut in half, how's your bill going.

[@peteyb5150]

To everyone here... (EMP) Please have more than one type of backup especially to keep from freezing (if you're in a cold climate)

[@bertkelly7650]

Yep. Had Pink energy come out and give me a quote for solar. For a 1000 sqft house, they wanted 40k. I have generator and did think about buying a big battery pack. Not as big as yours tho. Some units w/o buying and installing a separate box for instant transfer, do it automatically. I think Bluetti can do that. Thanks for this video!

[@heroesandzeros7802]

Invest in a Guardian back-up generator that runs off natural gas or propane. This can run for days if need be and start automatically in about 1 minute. You can use the UPS backups for your medical devices which should not skip a beat.

[@jokiejokes]

This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact kzbin.infoUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.

[@banpowel9784]

I charge my powers stations overnight during the cheap off peak hours for electricity, and they last all day and repeat it again the following night, the larger powder stations remain fully charged from cheap off peak electricity, ready for any power outages, never needed solar panels etc, so very little investment and huge savings

[@rumdog117]

We went with a Bluetti system that we can add extra storage and it runs our freezer and will charge flash lights and such. You are correct that most don't actually know what they need and get taken by salesman.

[@lindac6378]

How do you run all 4 devices at once like your fridge, TV, airfryer?

[@rumdog117]

@@lindac6378 the things we are worried about charging are flashlights, radios, weapons lights and one top load freezer which we have run it on to test how much power it takes. All cooking will be done in a wood stove, a Coleman camp stove that can use unleaded gas, and a rocket stove. Anything else is just fluff and not important. If we can increase the size of the system and the solar panels, we may be able to use it occasionally for a movie on a small TV and DVD player. We are quite aware that most of the things people take for granted will be of no use once things go south.

[@henryhenderson7051]

My mother has had three different solar companies up here in Northern California come in and give her a quote. Not one offers battery backup systems. Took a minute but when that last sales rep was here I questioned him to the point he spilled the beans and lost his sucker permanently.

[@wkmac2]

There is a HUGE difference between being completely off the utility grid, in this case the electrical grid verses situations of short term loss from the electric grid. These 2 scenarios are literally apples to oranges comparisons. Average US home uses around 30k/w per month and too generate that level of power can cost a lot. What people need to do first is find out what they can live without or create non power work arounds regardless if going the apples or the oranges route. Once you've answered that question, then you can begin to size accordingly and pay accordingly. Being in the "off the utility grid" category, I have different criteria and needs from the scenario being discussed in this video but what/how I choose to build my system is indeed way overkill from someone looking to get through a short term grid down scenario. This is where solutions like this fit in very nicely.

[@guytech7310]

Not to nit pick you, since you got it pretty nailed, but average US household uses about 30Kwh per day not per month. Please don't get offended by my comment. The biggest issue I see is a lot of homes now have heat pumps or other very power hungry systems that just aren't going to work off-grid. For the most part to have a true off-grid setup you really need to start from scratch: Have a well insulated home to keep energy consumption for heating & cooling low as well as a heating system that can operate off-grid. If you can heat\cool with some small mini-splits that would work for off-grid, anything larger is going to be a problem. A propane\Oil\wood boiler is an option, but I would be concerned about the rising costs of Oil\NatGas\Propane. Probably we will see Oil\Propane prices north of $10\gallon do to peak Oil (2018), Geopolitics (War with Russia\China), Inflation (insane federal gov't spending & unfunded Gov't pensions & entitlements).

[@fredflintstone1428]

@@guytech7310 Good answer.

[@Brisket9392]

@@guytech7310 True, but in a grid down scenario, you power only critical loads. Home theater doesn't get run with netflix going nonstop and computer station running idle. You power your furnace, some LED lights, sump pump. What you need versus what you use are two very different numbers.

[@19ghost73]

@@guytech7310 Wow - 30kWh/day? In my humble opinion, that is a LOT of electrical energy when compared to other well-developed locations in the world. Just & only to provide some global perspective: My 1992-built German house with central heating (heated floors etc.), proper insulation and all modern standards uses around 8kWh/24hrs during wintertime and

[@guytech7310]

@@19ghost73 the majority US homes have been to keep building costs low, which means little insulation (probably walls with R-10'ish and ceiling with R-20'ish). US homes very leaking with a full air change in 30 to 40 minutes). The US is heading for an epic energy crisis. The US managed to dodge a bullet with Shale out, but Shale oil production is now in decline and will fall into terminal decline around 2027. I beleive Europe is in far worse shape since it pretty much painted its self into a corner. Russia was the only real reliable energy supplier for the EU. The EU is facing total de-industrialization and probably unemployment rates toping 60%. There is no way the US can even come close to supply the EU, considering the US is a net Oil importer, and much of its NatGas is going to be needed for NatGas Power plants as it shuts down its coal fired & nuclear power plants. Currently the US now has 70 GW of new NatGas Power plants under construction which when completed will consume close to 10% of US annual NatGas production. Another major problem for the EU is going to be food production as the EU bureaucrats are forcing EU farms to close or limit farming practices that will drive many farms out of business. Russia & the Ukraine were major food exporters to the EU, but that is off the table for the foreseeable future. If you plan to remain in Germany, I recommend you have the means to be nearly food self-sufficient. FWIW: I am building a homestead in the US. My new home well insulated only needing about 24,000 Btu during the most extreme cold\hot days. I have a 100 acre farm (mixed with pasture & timber), Have AG equipment, Chicken Coop, small orchard. I practice what i preach.

[@One.--]

I have a grid tie & a off grid system. The off grid system is always supporting my T.V, wifi, refrigerator, & two mini 220v splits. If I were ever to do another home it would not be grid tie period.

[@dennisboyd1712]

With our solar we have battery backup & you can still have solar power when the gride is down. Plus, our solar has cut our power bill by 80% as our use of city power is rarely used & we sell excess back to the electric gride

[@sony5244]

I have installed a 5kw solar panel with 6x12 volts , 150 ah lead acid battery on my home. Now ,going on 5 years+, my electricity bill drop by 90% . Besides running my whole house like fridge, water heater, induction cooktop, PC, TV, Microwave, 12 leds bulbs etc, I charged my electric scooty with this solar system and charged my electric car on Sunny days too. My total expenditure in Indian Rupees is 3 lakhs 20 thousand which is about 3900 US Dollars, so anybody telling me that Solar doesn't work is totally untrue.

[@christianmorrison8688]

Very sunny in 🇮🇳...

[@Asad-2166]

@@christianmorrison8688 in today's technology you don't just need sunlight 🇬🇧😒

[@Hero10838]

These days it’s always cloudy! You can’t recharge if it’s always cloudy

[@danythrinbell1596]

it works as long there is sun at night you use lamp shads ha ha ha

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

Before anyone seriously considers this, check your electrical bill to see how much energy you're using per day. His list of devices this battery can power is deceptive since any battery can power your fridge, your tv etc but you don't know for how long and you don't know how long the power will be down. Also there will be plenty of battery backups thousands of dollars cheaper than what he's advertising. By all means get a generator and your battery of choice but don't think this guy isn't running an infomercial for mango power.

[@Jollyprez]

A neighbor has 20k of solar. He has a very expensive inverter - but only 200ah of battery power. Recently, he lost power for two days, and could not even run his furnace after 12 hours. His generator failed, too. He had enough to run his pellet stove for a while, which luckily ran just long enough during the night to then run during the daytime. His modern propane stove wouldn't run without power. Crazy. I have 200 watts of solar, and 200ah of battery power - but my heat can use kerosene and woodstove using zero power. I have kerosene dual-burner cooktop - again, no power. I have 1/10th the solar, comparable battery power - but can last two weeks or longer, easily, during winter.

[@guytech7310]

I am not a fan of using kerosene inside, especially with no exhaust venting. Plan B would be a small camping propane stovetop with a 20Lb tank adapter.

[@Jollyprez]

@@guytech7310 Kerosene is NOT like propane - yes, it needs ventilation, but it's not nearly as dangerous as propane. Further - you would NOT want a 20lb propane tank INSIDE a house. The little 1lb bottles are OK. I have propane camp stoves, too, and they work fine. But, not for general heat. A 10,000 BTU or bigger kerosene heater is DESIGNED to be used inside, cannot explode, and do not produce 1/4 as much CO as propane. The technology has been in continuous use for 130 years.

[@guytech7310]

@@Jollyprez Its the soot thats a problem with kerosene. Propane stoves\ovens are common in homes. I have one so burning propane inside a home isn't as big as concern. You can buy propane appliances at most stores like Lowes\HomeDepot.

[@Jollyprez]

@@guytech7310 Sure, but don't bring a 20lb tank inside a house, and park it near any flames. As for the soot of kerosene - virtually none if the wick is at the right height - which all the kerosene "flame spreader" stoves force. I've been running kerosene for over a decade - no soot problem. Also, for emergency purposes, kerosene is far far safer than propane in enclosed places. Sure, there are appliances that use propane, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking emergency - where everybody may have to go to a single room and keep that warm. Regarding a kerosene cooktop - yep, those are more aggravating than propane - it doesn't react to fuel-flow changes rapidly like gas. But - it doesn't blow-up, either.

[@ashforkdan]

250 watt used pannels from solar fields only cost 30 bucks each. You can live comfortable on just solar then use your batteries for night use. Santan solar has thousands of them.

[@grannyllama617]

I lived off grid for three years. I had Hughes net and dish. I work remotely. How to do it. While running your generator.. have a battery charge attached to your battery banks. Faster than solar panels. Have different sets of batteries for different things.. have a propane refridge and propane wave heater with a wood stove backup. Also, a wind mill works much better than solar panels.

[@onetailgunner]

I know somebody up here that has two car alternators running his hole house . One in the crik on a prop and one on the roof . & 1 dc to ac converter . No batterys . Was a interesting set up . Under 400.00 .

[@Steven-r4q]

how does that work? thats amazing, i want to see how to set something up like that!

[@DoogieHoosier]

BS. Period

[@davidmadison1087]

An alternator doesn't generate power without a battery. 😵‍💫

[@tombrenes2411]

I’m in the middle of nowhere . . . With a DIY solar lens (melts rock) 1 River water to steam large boiler (in 20min) with solar (2hours burning wood) 2 with steam I spin an industrial air compressor (store energy) like a battery Air hose to an air drill or air grinder to spin a semi truck alternator I power 6 homes the startup is about 2k My maintenance cost per year is around $200 (the backup has a backup) FYI in winter I heat the driveway parking lot and common areas (no snow shoveling) Lights, live electric fences and cameras around 8 acres I’ve zapped dear, bears, wolf, large cats, and a moose (no one died) We have electric dryers after the washing machines, electric heat for the homes, electric car lifts in the garage for maintenance Every EV I’ve rented has died under "cold conditions" not even freezing weather

[@samanthanicholson9015]

Wow sounds cool I wish I could be off grid, and still enjoy doing all our house hold work. (City)

[@NicoProv]

Your definitely McGuyver. I'm very handy and that sounds pretty complex. Sounds like you understand electricity well and have devised your own super efficient system. Pretty cook. I'm looking into the best option to power a tiny home box truck. Any tips would be appreciated.

[@JosephSmyly]

Did you buy these or were these provided to you from the manufacturer?

[@ZsOtherBrother]

I've seen several of your videos in the past and most all of them were useful and informative, this one seemed more like a really long commercial (almost 19 minutes). Your reputation is much more valuable than any short term monetary gain you may get from such videos. And if you decide to keep making them anyway, please be honest about what they are, if not in the title, then at least in the first few seconds of the video. Thank you.

[@ZsOtherBrother]

Other than that... I also find the headline a bit misleading, (although it got me to click and watch the video... so I guess it did the job it was intended to do). Comparing the product you're promoting to THE WORST choice that anyone can make in solar is not cool. There's a difference between "do not buy solar!" and "buy the right solar solution for your needs". I'm sure the "Mango Power E" is a good plug-and-play STORAGE system. It's also quite expensive, and you haven't really shown us how we're going to "Save $1,000's!!!", (just telling us that we will, isn't enough).

[@newjx]

I have 2 houses 1 grid down only 16 batteries that powers my entire house with 24h+ autonomy and an other house off grid 16 PVs and 16 batteries 100% autonomous. I spent 5000$ for the first one and 20000$ for the second one. It’s been 4 years now I have no issues with any of them.

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

David, first I want to thank you for the Berkey I got from you and the seed bank and the micronutrients. I want to let you know that I use the echo flow Pro system with the extra batteries smart home panel and smart generator. I probably spent more than your system cost but I feel like it's quite comparable. I have four of the echo flow Pros and eight of the spare batteries and a couple of the echoflo Delta units for convenience. But you are absolutely correct, people need grid down power. I too have seen members friends and family buying the off-grid stuff to cut their power costs but without batteries they're just supporting the infrastructure not protecting themselves.

[@aztec8888]

When I purchased my house I purchased a complete solar power system. My electric bill is only about $12.00 per month. But when the power sometimes goes down - nothing is working. So I purchased an Ecoflow solar generator, I also have a gas powered generator, and I am purchasing two car batteries to charge my Ecoflow. This set up can power my small appliances in case of an emergency. I asked for a quote for a complete off-grid system and the quote was $31,000 - that adds on to my current solar power system! Well, I cannot afford that. So, I liked your video - it gave me great information!

[@ingridrose1092]

You mention charge up time at about 1-2 hours from a WALL outlet BUT how long does it take to charge from 200W SOLAR panels? The website also seems to avoid giving out this information too.

[@Gendo3s2k]

3500W/200W is almost 18 hours But why would you try to charge this with only a 200W panel?? If you used 10 panels, you'll get there in under 2 hours

[@garysuderman174]

200W is for like a very small RV. A house uses too much power for one panel. Look at heat by wood, by Propane and lighting with candles and oil lamps. Forget refrigerators, hot water tanks, and most electrical appliances with just 200W.

[@ingridrose1092]

@@garysuderman174 Thank you - yes I know 200W is not enough but both LDS and the Mango website never mentioned how many panels or how long it would take to charge this unit back to 95%. They both over mention the 1.5 hours wall plug charge. I think it's good for people to know the whole truth. Look at Mango's site and you will see they never answer this question!!!!! Shame on them!!!

[@ingridrose1092]

@@Gendo3s2k Thank you - yes I know 200W is not enough but both LDS and the Mango website never mentioned how many panels or how long it would take to charge this unit back to 95%. They both over mention the 1.5 hours wall plug charge. I think it's good for people to know the whole truth. Look at Mango's site and you will see they never answer this question!!!!! Shame on them!!!

[@oldbloke135]

@@ingridrose1092 He literally said it in the video "If you had ten of these (the folding 200W panel he has in a bag) it would take an hour and a half." It also says on the Mango site that the maximum charge rate from solar is 2000W. By the way I'm not at all supportive of these products, they seem an awfully expensive way to store electricity when you look at the price of used EV batteries. A 24kWh EV battery that is down to 60% would be useless in a car but it still holds over 14kWh.

[@hedykarim3614]

It would be nice to show beginning to end how you began with installation of this system

[@ecos889]

I am looking on solar generators rather than solar panels for the top of the house as in flats and am just looking for things that will save a bit of money on daily expenses as the cost of electricity has skyrocketed so just being able to charge and run a few devices such as my laptop, space heater and electric rack and my LED lights seems ideal. To counteract it.

[@lifeenglightment7977]

Completely agree!.. in Florida, the power being discrupted during hurricanes or high wind storms: During those cases, those roof top solar panels are the first got killed by high wind due to hurricane and projectiles.

[@RobertShaverOfAustin]

My understanding from this video is that you plug one Mango Power E into any outlet in my hours. When the grid goes out the power unit delivers current to the whole house via that single 110V outlet it is plugged into. Is that correct? My house is fed 220 volts that is comprised of two 110 volt feeds and a ground. How can the power being sent into a single 110 volt outlet get safely to the outlets that are on the other 110 leg of the house? Also the power unit will be sending current all the way out to the power poll which would be a danger to anyone that might be working on that pole. It would also send current to any of my neighbors that are getting power from the same pole transformer. That would be a danger to my neighbor too.

[@arlissyoung8899]

As someone that has been playing with Solar for a few years now. The very first thing anyone should know and learn, NEVER have a grid tied system for any reason. Most greedy governments don't allow you to use your system tied into theirs with battery backup. The system I have, I use it to supplement my house power and to have backup power when needed. I could get my monthly elect. bill down to $60.00 dollars. I plan on getting a full solar system with far more batteries than I need. I want to be able to go at least a week without power from the elec. grid. With a system I will put in I will have a $25.00 dollar a month bill to keep it on, I will not use the grid unless I have no other way. If a person just wants backup power you can go this rout and get the battery backup for a few power outages in the year. Ass for me, I want to get as far away from being dependent on anyone as I can. If people are stuck in a Blue State, county or city then you have no way to do anything but what they tell you to do and how and when to do it.

[@guytech7310]

Sol-Ark supports battery & grid-tie if you want to export power to the grid. There are lots of inverters that will just use grid power no export and will will use both solar & grid & only draw on battery power when the grid is down and power demand exceeds solar.

[@jw3843]

I did not know they sold solar systems without battery storage. I put together my own system with batteries and i have power stations. Not big enough for whole house but enough for my needs.

[@haroldgreen1425]

I had an estimate for a grid tie system to meet my normal usage. It was $90K. I'm in my 70's and that wasn't realistic as it had a 30 year payback. So instead I bought a 22kw generac system and bought a refurbished propane tank that holds 500 gallons. The tank was fairly inexpensive but the propane isn't. I put it in 11 years ago and it worked through minor power outages and once a month self checks. This summer we had a hurricane and the power was off for nearly a week. The unit ran 24 hrs a day during that time and the fuel in the tank finally dropped fairly low by the time the power came back on. We had everything in the house working normally during that time, especially important to seniors. I did have to refill the tank and it wasn't cheap but worth it to us. Running continuously at full load it will run a week on a filled propane tank. In a true emergency I suppose I could turn it off and on and make a few weeks with it. At the time I bought the system it was $4K for the generator and a thousand for installation. Today it's likely two or three times higher but far cheaper than a solar installation. Considering all the years it was only used for short periods it was more than worth the cost and I put under $700 dollars in propane into it and it took 11 years to need more I'd say it was cost effective. However if you have natural gas it will likely be far cheaper to use. I'm not sure a solar system will remain in working condition for 11 years with no maintenance yet the backup generator has other than oil and filter changes perhaps once a year ($30) done myself.

[@sharonreum3134]

I live in a southern state. If the grid goes down, will one of these batteries keep a 3.5 ton heat pump running? I have no air conditioning without it. If not, then I will get a window air conditioner. Thank you for your help. May God bless you for sharing this.

[@ourkilkennyhomestead2006]

Thanks for sharing this idea. Unfortunately in most parts of the world solid fuel costs more than mains electrical rates so running a generator is actually more expensive than using the mains. That's why solar and wind is preferential. The upfront costs of a self built solar system are regained after 1-2yrs when compared to a monthly mains power bill. After that all power generated is free. Nice alternative though there isn't a one device solution to home power generation. It requires multiple sources of generation to reliably provide off grid power nó matter what the conditions. Learned that the hard way 😉

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

1-2 years 🤡🤖🤪

[@ourkilkennyhomestead2006]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss 🤡

[@oldtimerlee8820]

How long will the fully charged battery,(of the smallest version) last if current draw for all devices attached is at the max rate of power usage for the version? (For example: Well pump, freezer, furnace, TV, dehydrator, etc. operating at the same time. ) Thanks in advance for your reply.

[@navy_vet]

Not an easy or simple question to answer. Smallest unit is 3.5kw (3500 watts) with a 3kw (3000 watt) output. Maximum "theoretical" run time, running 3,000 watts continuously, would be about 75 minutes. There are a lot of other factors to consider with these numbers though such as power loss due to inverter inefficiency. Pulling a constant 3,000 watts is a lot of power. Not all things run constantly and only cycle on and off for a short period, i.e. well pumps, furnace, and sump pumps. Also, most well pumps are 220v AC which will require two of these 3.5KW units to run and may still not run if the pump requires a high amp draw to start (starting amps and running amps are not the same). A typical home refrigerator/freezer will use about 2,000 watts per day.

[@oldtimerlee8820]

@@navy_vet Thank you for your reply. About what I thought it would be but didn't know how to figure it out. I hope people will research on their own needs and the best way to meet those needs if the electric grid is down for more than a few hours. Some "What if questions" may need to be answered before committing to any backup plan. What if you have an electric stove and/or furnace? What if you already have natural gas hookup or propane bulk tank? What is the life of the batteries? Can the batteries be recharged if the temperature is below freezing? Should solar panels also be installed? Hurricanes & ice storms have on multiple occasions taken out the electric grid for 2+ weeks at a time. Would an appropriately sized generator be a better choice economically? In my case it was. I bought a 9500w dual fuel brand name generator for $1,000 a little over a year ago. It's connected to a 500 gallon propane tank. It has a remote starter key fob. BTW, propane price is under contract. Again, thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Appreciated!

[@navy_vet]

@@oldtimerlee8820 Agree with everything you said. Here are the formulas to figure out electrical Amps * volts = watts Example in DC: a battery has 100 amps at 12 volts then it has a capacity of 1200 Watts Example in AC: a circuit has 110 volts AC and 20 Amps then it has the capacity of 2,200 watts. A watt is a watt for AC and DC in the most simplistic formula. If you have a wattage requirement then you can calculate your voltage and amperage requirements for AC and DC the same. If you need 1000 watts from a 12 volt battery then you need a battery with at least 84 amp/hours If you need 1000 watts from a 110 volt AC main then you need a circuit that can handle 9 amps. For the question you had concerning run time here is the equation Available watts (capacity) in watt hours divided by available draw in watts. Example: the battery capacity is 3500 watt hours and the inverter can supply or draw from the battery a continuous 3000 watts. That is 3500 Watt hours/ 3000 Watts = 1.16 or roughly 75 minutes because in the equation the watts cancel out and you are left with time in hours. Which when converted to minutes equates roughly to 75. Hopefully all my math is correct.

[@oldtimerlee8820]

@@navy_vet THANK YOU! I'm going to copy, print & put with my generator manual for future reference. Much appreciated.

[@tradermunky1998]

Yep, this is the way to go on a budget. Well done, you're the first prepper I've seen recommend this type of setup I have. At least start here and then branch out into solar later instead of not doing anything at all!

[@privateuploads-geo2625]

Here in California even if I get two or three solar panels hooked into the system before next April will qualify and be grandfathered in to being able to sell back electricity to PG and E at the current high price… That is going away with new legislation

[@ashyslashy5818]

no 3k watts run 1 refridge for 2 hrs

[@tradermunky1998]

@@ashyslashy5818 not sure what you mean? A refrigerator is generally around 1.5 kWh per day so a 3 kWh battery will run 2 refrigerators with one charge each 24 hours.

[@tradermunky1998]

@@privateuploads-geo2625 There are much better ROI than building a massive system to sell back to the grid (and hope you're still grandfathered in at a good price 10 years later when the system is paid off). And those investments you can get in and out of usually with a click of a button.

[@heatherk8931]

@@privateuploads-geo2625 don't hook into the system. 3 solar panels can sit anywhere and go directly to a solar generator. Then its ALL YOURS. You'll probably find you need many more panels depending on their rating.

[@cindypaige7563]

I reside in the northern region, where there is limited sunlight and financial constraints. This situation has left me feeling somewhat helpless, as I anticipate significant changes in the near future.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 I'm completely broke dealing with a lot of anxiety 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@jnac8857]

Thank you so much the timing couldn't be more perfect for me to listen to your words of wisdom. Everything resonates with what I am going through right now. Much gratitude to you!

[@visamedic]

I’ve been doing the same thing for years. Just kinda lurking and watching, and I think these systems have finally started to come into their own, where they’re a viable method to go completely off grid. I’m still a renter. I live in the country, it I’ve been working on putting an entire system on a trailer. Hooked up properly it would save me thousands of dollars. Just over summer alone, June to September I paid almost $3200. That’s completely ridiculous. Average between $7-800 a month. With around $4-500 in May and October. Im gone at least 48 hours a week. I do not leave anything other than two outdoor lights on (that are LED) and my fridge and freezer. Im gone 72 hours every two weeks. Im gone 10 to 11 days a month. I don’t have my AC set to 60. And I try to turn it off between 1600-2000 hrs (4pm to 8pm). Im lucky if it’ll cool the house to 75 or 80 when it’s 100, much less at 110. And Cal Edison ain’t getting any cheaper.

[@my_flippin_journey]

Unplug everything you aren't using. Plug it in when you do. Check your hotwater heater temp settings & consider adding a insulation blanket to it.

[@my_flippin_journey]

I see you're a renter .. I missed that fact in my 1st reply. I'll add a couple ring cameras or any brand that has motion alert. I use 1st generation ring doorbell cameras, setup on my wifi with no pd subscription to ring. Set camera to motion detect & you'll receive alerts. The camera doesn't record w no subscription, but it does allow you to view live. So whatever caused the motion the alert u can watch live thru the app. Screen record or take screenshots on your phone if necessary. *you may be paying for power someone else is using .. creepy I know*

[@visamedic]

@@my_flippin_journey already done. Battery powered. One front, one back. I’m on 7 acres. I can see pretty much everything. Water heater gets turned down to “vacation”. All lights are LED.

[@heatherk8931]

@@visamedic I was going to say the same as Amber. At $7-800/month, it's not adding up for basically refrigerator and freezer, maybe a motion sensor outdoor light. Something is joined to your meter.. maybe read the #s b4 you leave, then when you return. X cost per kw to see how its really adding up.

[@visamedic]

@@heatherk8931 I’m actually looking into that now

[@timcargile1562]

Great video! I used a hybrid 'Grid off/down' design with my stealth motorhome(Dodge minivan). I used motel rooms once a week to recharge my 3 Gel-Cel deep discharge batteries from the grid and shower. I needed enough onboard power to power my laptop for 6 days. I also had a 1 KW portable, compact, gas generator carried in the stealth motorhome which was powerful enough (900W of AC available) simultaneously recharge two of my batteries. I also had a 800 W inverter that was connected to the starter battery to provide for battery charging when the engine was running. Much less hassle and cost and impracticality of using solar panels (in a motorhome). Thanks for creating and uploading this video. I think this is good advice for 'Grid Down' designs.

[@dabbbles]

Nothing impracticable about using solar-panels in a vehicle. I have 420W of panels on the roof-rack of my Ford Econovan. Moreover I have the ignition-system (including the alternator which cranks out 132amps@900revs) also wired into the battery-bank of 220ah, and run EVERYTHING in the vehicle on DC: ie, have no need for what you're calling (mistakenly I suspect) an 'inverter'. Everything runs on DC, except my only 'luxury': a microwave (1100Watts) which largely obviates the need for all sorts of cooking facilities (from stove/gas-bottle/ etc. to pots and pans, along with the water-bottles to 'do the dishes'.) It does mean I need to idle the engine when using the microwave; but it's only ever for a few minutes at a time. Works well.

[@dabbbles]

PS. No need to waste money on getting a shower. Any major shopping-centre (here in Oz anyway) has a shower in the central toilet area.

[@kerrymarris4260]

Or you can join the YMCA or a cheaper gym. I have a 2002 Dodge minivan, getting up there with the milage at 227,543. It's also the longest lasting vehicle I've ever had at 8+years old. And I have two Napa deep cycle marine batteries and, a 25 year old 52watt panel Japan. And I just got a 100watt thunder bolt panel and two 35ah 12v of the same, and a 1500watt Jupiter inverter all from harbor freight, for $500. Wires and clamps. I tried a controller and it fried, got it though home Depot, $25 dollars. Haven't even tried to take it back yet. It seems good without it. Sometimes I'm parked for months, And sometimes I'm in a different spot every other night. Can't have to much in a minivan. Unless you have an Astro.

[@paulawagstaff686]

​@@dabbbles also there are airfryers

[@direktorjosh3576]

I feel really sad that this product doesn't sell outside the US. This would have been a perfect solution for me.

[@maigematthews5620]

Now that it’s 3 months later… Questions: 1. What would you suggest for someone that just bought some land w/ an empty storage unit on it? It’s completely off grid, in the arid high-wind desert. Records are shown to receive 100mph winds! We’re are no rush to move there. 2. I was thinking of storing something for future use. What do you think? 3. They say the biggest expense is not solar panels anymore, it’s energy storage… the battery. But do you think that your brand will come out with a more efficient product in a year or two? 4. Tax rebates & credits. Could you elaborate on how to obtain these? Is it Federal or State? 5. Are you able to tie the system directly into your circuit breaker panel (M-Park accessor) yet? 6. How does the Mango Power E battery backup compare to its closest competitors? 7. How many decades should we expect for it to last? 8. Are the discounts still available? If not, any other discounts? Thank you so very much for your time and patience in answering these questions.i

[@seymourpro6097]

Start with a big battery, then a means to use the power. THEN look for a mains charger. This means that if the mains goes off you have backup. Then look for other means of charging, solar, gasoline/propane/diesel fuelled. By these you can run the generator for an hour twice a day and live much of the time in neighbour friendly quietness. Remember however that your usual fuel station will run out of electricity for the pumps and tills at the same time as you.

[@wayne4740]

You had me until I noticed the cheapest @ $2,000. Totally agree with you but I'm more in the price range of Ecoflo river at $500 running old 100watt pannels from harbor freight.

[@lesliegrayson1722]

$53k omg... complete off grid cost $30k in Australia.. for $4k in Australia we can get solar with government rebates... sux to be in the US.

[@jayblescashews]

The ecoflow delta pro is also a good option for backup power. I hear the hysolis apollo is gonna be good too

[@acinfla9615]

I got mine a year ago and use it all the time without issues. Comes in handy keeping the fridge and a small ac running in power outages.

[@annalivings6660]

Yep I learned this the hard way. I wanted grid down power and tried to explain this to the solar salesman but he signed me up for solar and denied me the back up solar system. Where were you 3 years ago?

[@Odis-edgar]

Vacuum tube heat pipes can generate steam generation air conditioning and are highly efficient and do not have the problem of snow accumulations and work off 40% sunlight add 100% efficiency enough to charge up battery systems for night time use for those with big homes.

[@glen2908]

You are correct. With the rolling blackouts that are being predicted, the solar panel piece is not really needed. Charge the station up when there is power and run it down during the blackout. If the blackouts are predictable/scheduled, this should get you by easily. I think the Ecoflow deal is better though. More power output and a little more battery at a currently lower cost (2 X Delta Pros with Dual Power Hub for $5703 after the Hobotech discount - I think the promotion ends in two days).

[@twboegel2918]

"With the rolling blackouts that are being predicted ...." "Scheduled" is the more appropriated verb here. Scheduled and implemented without notice.

[@tngardener231]

Ours was scheduled 5 hrs last week and they have a deal with my employer to shut down power when needed, we had a 2 hr trial last week as well

[@neil2945]

Thank you for blessing us with what you put into finding these deals and sharing with us

[@theremnant2967]

Very nicely done presentation informative and no nonsense of a good system to set up not just to be off the grid but when the permanent grid down scenario across our wonderful nation possibly might occur by natural or unnatural forces. Either Solar flares, EMP, nuclear Attack, Domestic or Foriegn terrorism attacks on the nation's grid system, or global weather wars and instability of the tectonic plates in a pole shifting scenario, or any dystopia catastrophic events that could occur. A system with a combination of solar, multiple fuel generator, vertical and or horizontal wind turbines, and enough battery back up to run everything inside/outside the house, I would say at least a good 6000-10;000 watts should keep things comfortable. In a bug out scenario at least the smaller portable systems can be moved and relocated with the folding solar panels. Be safe fellow Americans and Preppers as we move into 2023, God bless America, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. "For evil to flourish good men and women do nothing" Edmond Burke 1766 The Remnant, December 27th 2023

[@invisibilianone6288]

Baltazar Gracian wrote that quote in 1653 ( made correction in spelling of his name,,, no h, 🎯😎☕)

[@theremnant2967]

@@invisibilianone6288 Probably a well spoken quote throughout the ages, spoken of by regular people, holy men, prophets, medicine men, shamen, shaolin monks, sages, or those political rivals locked away in forgotten cages.😊

[@invisibilianone6288]

@@theremnant2967 yes, he was kept under close watch, as he exposed the corruption by those in power.

[@theremnant2967]

@@invisibilianone6288 We have seen whar happens to those who expose the truth

[@cattywool1]

U have a grid tie you have off grid and you have a hybrid. I am a solar installer and electrician and telecommunication technician all certified. I have a NVQ-j level 4 in photovoltaics, NVQ-j level 2 in electrical installation and telecommunication NVQ-j level 3. Note petrol is expensive in jamIca so solar is the only logical way to go. Those back u have can be connected to solar panels and u get to charge them without gas .

[@manandatractor]

Living in a hurricane prone area I don't worry about feeding back to the grid, I worry about keeping my butt afloat while waiting on the grid to be reestablished, which could be weeks. I could do wind, solar, or both but the storage is absolutely key. Think of it as boondocking in an RV.

[@51dbail]

Well the real problem is would your solar panels survive a hurricane?

[@ellismedavoy7314]

Wild Wonderful Off Grid channel installed their off-grid system for way less than any contractor would bid for. If anyone is interested in true off-grid power then they should check out their video from about 1 year ago where they did a detailed invoice of what they installed and cost breakdown.

[@ashyslashy5818]

just DIY a lithium battery Bank with charge controllers and save a mega ton of more money

[@garysuderman174]

I've been watching that channel since they began the A frame but not everyone has that much land and renting a machine for that huge solar panel collection and digging a ditch and then the cost to hire a specialist electrician to hook all that up is enormous. This video is for emergency back up, not full time off grid. Better to have a battery bank or a system like the prepper here is showing. Grid tied or not, a system like this with more than one way to charge it, plus anything else like candles, oil lamps, wood stoves, and anything to bring down draining the system too much or too fast would be best in my opinion.

[@guytech7310]

Wild Wonderful Off Grid: IIRC, their system cost about $56K.

[@WilliamRNicholsonLST-1195]

Very well thought out plan ! In these times , I have thought that solar panels would not be advisable if changing locations was needed . I would think that a couple of Mango's plus a small diesel / gas , / propane / Nat gas generator would be far easier to take with you if indeed some calamity would force you to move to a more defensible location. Thx for the info brother , Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195

[@ErvigHenry]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment, Nick! I completely agree with your point about the convenience of portable power solutions, especially in times of changing locations or emergencies. The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series sounds like a great option for outdoor enthusiasts like us. With its massive capacity, fast recharging, and waterproof design, it seems perfect for camping or even as a reliable backup power source at home. I appreciate you sharing your insights and recommending this brand. Stay safe and enjoy your outdoor adventures!

[@dabbbles]

What goes up CAN come down. Inluding solar panels. I've installed/removed/shifted several hundred solar systems over the years (since 1980) for myself and others, and can do all the above in my sleep. A generator can be handy (eg to run a microwave if you can't cook!), but the fuel will ALWAYS be a problem, and RISK in a SHTF situation. AS WILL, don't forget, the fuel for your vehicle to come and go in resupply (everything, including your fuel.) I for one would expect a SHTF/similar situation to become permanent, and prepping must be made on that basis. Fortunately I've ALWAYS lived like that, from choice and know it IS workable.

[@MarkOakleyComics]

You can get a 1000 Wh unit from Grecell for $650 (CAD). Four of those would do the job of one Mango unit (rated at 3500 Wh) at less than half the price. Not as convenient, but not a bad choice for folks on a tighter budget.

[@anthonyesparsen7776]

thank you for your information i'm an electrical contractor myself looking into the best system possible today

[@RustyWalker]

There's a shift over here for suppliers to drop prices or offer rewards for using power when demand is low and not using it when demand is high. Having a system that can take over from the grid and run the house when demand is high and charge when demand is low helps maximise those rewards.

[@stevelong9328]

What a joke. I'll just stick with my 5kwh generator from Lowe's for $500.

[@latebloomer315]

You should put little solar panels on the manger roof. And a miniature battery array inside the manger next to the Three Wise Guys. And Mary could have a little cell phone with an app she's using to monitor the charge state of the batteries. She's clearly a prepper and she begot and subsequently raised the best prepper ever. He could turn regular ol' water into wine and make bread out of thin air! Now THAT'S a guy I'd want to hole up with during a Zombie Apocalypse!

[@progshark]

Lol 3 wise guys. Jimmy, Tommy and Harry.

[@dabbbles]

Nah. You'd get sick of sandwiches 3 times a day within a week!

[@MetalMan1969]

I have the ecoflow delta max ,two extra batteries , delta smart duel fuel generator, and a delta 2. My electricity was £50 to £60 a week. Now i pay less than £4 weekly on propane only for charging the system up in 1hr 40mins. I haven't even put solar panels up yet for full free energy charging.

[@deltoncbaker]

I just purchased an Electric Ford F150 in New Mexico USA. PNM the major electric supplier for New Mexico will charge my truck for $5.00 a night (10PM to 5AM). If I were to charge my truck or a backup Mango power system, PNM wouldn’t know the difference. Texas has a similar plan, their plan is $30 / per month. I am sure power companies across the the nation are doing the same or similar plans. If you sign up for one of these plans there would be no need charge batteries with a generator. Which mean you run your air conditioner during peak hours on the batteries and recharge the batteries at fixed off peak rate. Now if the grid power goes dark for more than a couple of days you might want the solar panels there to take up the slack. A 5 Kilowatts per hour can easily produce 25 Kilowatts per day in good weather and 5 Kilowatts in bad weather. In this video you yourself said most people only need 3 Kilowatts per day.

[@ElohimIsLove]

That literally doesn't make sense. As the SUN provides FREE energy ..... electricity. You have been told by the government, that you can PAY them ..... for ”FREE” Energy?! Make that, Make Sense. Off Grid, means ..... Uncle Sam, isn't gaslighting you anymore. ❤We ”All” need to STOP paying for Air, Water, Electricity, Land, and yes ..... Food! These Dictators are even trying to stop people from having ”Gardens.”

[@twoeyedjack879]

I bought a 15KW PTO driven generator a few years back for $2400. Then I got a used 250 gal. diesel tank. With my tractor, I can run everything in my house for weeks if needed. If you already have a tractor, this is by far the cheapest and most reliable way to prep for extended power outages.

[@MaritimeFox]

I live on a narrowboat on the inland waterways of Britain. I have 440ah of leisure batteries onboard. Those batteries are charged by a 36hp Yanmar engine. In addition to that I have 2 x inverters and also a 3.5kw generator attached to the engine. My plan is to get 4 solar panels and portable battery bank like a Bluetti EB3A to give me maximum redundancy. I did have engine issues last year and that exposed the flaw in my system of not having an alternative to the engine. My boat also accepts shore power, but that is only available in marinas or wharves. I am amazed at how much people spend on solar in the US. Not having a battery backup is madness.

[@alanday5255]

As a Floridian, I live on my Solar with NO issues. Even my RV has a solar system that cost almost nothing.