US Civil War - Cavalry Breechloading Carbines

[@Jay-ln1co]

Problem wasn't that the Ordnance Corps provided the Star the wrong cartridge, the problem was that the Star was chambered to the wrong cartridge. -t. Ordnance Corps

[@InrangeTv]

Exactly.

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@@kirkstinson7316 Sounds more like the original M16 to me.

[@ericyonchak7026]

A slightly unhinged looking Karl is sitting across a gun-laden table from me and discussing Civil War firearms. This is either a dream or a very threatening nightmare.

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[@fastmongrel]

A hinged looking Karl would worry me more

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[@GentlemansCombatives]

I see Karl with old west firearms, my body is ready.

[@TheWarmotor]

I saw his chair as a giant sombrero at first.

[@ops1994]

I’m so exited for this series. As a History lover and a civil war buff. I can not wait to hear about these guns history and their advantages and disadvantages from a tactical perspective like in range does!!!

[@BurningMonkey]

Been waiting not so patiently ever since these were teased on Patreon. I am so ready for this. Gonna be awesome!

[@InrangeTv]

Awesome, thank you!

[@damienwhisenant9115]

US Army ordance core issued the wrong type of ammo that caused reliability problems that would lead to the gun being labeled as useless. Good thing they got mistake out of the way in the 1860s I'm sure they'll never do that again

[@quangduongang6230]

Don't jinx it. The last thing you'd want to happen is that the US would fail so miserably that they'd lose a war to a vastly technologically and economically inferior opposition. Ehem. Weird cough

[@SStupendous]

Happened in Vietnam

[@george5156]

@@quangduongang6230 the officers who deliberately screwed up the cartridge and it's powder should have been put in a punishment battalion for risking American service men!

[@UsernameX-88]

cough m16 cough

[@jus10reed]

The last time I was this excited about an upcoming show, Our American cousin was playing at the Ford Theatre

[@austinbrown6593]

I look forward to the rest of this series! I’m a Civil War reenactor and would love to learn more about the weapons of the era.

[@donc9751]

Cant wait to see the more detailed video on each weapon! Thank you! I was always fascinated by the civil war era, but living on the west coast most of my life I had never been back East to see any of the battlefields until I was 50ish. My wifes famy lived in Frederick Maryland and when we visited numerous times I had to make the rounds of Antietam & Gettysburg which were both amazing! Even walking in the woods in the area had a special feel about it, like I was walking through hallowed ground and the losses that occurred there could still be felt.

[@jeffthebaptist3602]

I've also been to both and they're worth the trip. I really like what they've done with Gettysburg. The first time I went, everything was overgrown. However the last time, they'd cut back Little Round Top so that it looked like it did at the battle.

[@Reuter6795]

Hey! Rhode Islander here.. Yeah.. That tiny state. I just realized the Burnside Carbine was designed by the same ambrose Burnside that was the 30th governor of Rhode Island. He died here in 1881 and is buried less than 5 miles from me at the Swan Point Cemetery in Providence RI. I'm a huge fan karl, and if you ever find yourself wanting to visit the resting place of burnside, I would gladly show you around Rhode Island and bring you to his resting place.

[@GustheGunGuy]

Isn't everything in Rhode Island less than 5 miles from you?

[@MountaintravelerEddie]

Jordan Reuter I just got back from Newport RI before the whole carona shindig. Now I’m back in E. Haven, CT.....

[@colemanmoore9871]

@@GustheGunGuy He'll give you the one-day walking tour of the entire state. *laughs is Texan*

[@FeedMeMister]

@@colemanmoore9871 At least he *can* walk the short distance without a heart attack or diabetic coma.

[@Reuter6795]

@@MountaintravelerEddie somewhat truth. I lived in Dallas for a year. City is size of my state. Lots of history here though and a truly beautiful state. Come visit us

[@brunoterlingen2203]

Once again Karl, I am impressed by your "measured" approach to all your discussions - a true gentleman.

[@FaceofDanger]

When will we get an episode focusing on the history of Civil War-era tables? I think people would really enjoy hearing about the Nelson Model 2 'Logtop' you have there. It's an interesting example of the high quality equipment that the Confederacy was able to produce, despite a lack of manufacturing capacity.

[@RedTSquared]

Love this period of Firearm Design! Thanks and look forward to the individual carbine episodes!

[@calcite84]

This content is first class although I do miss Karl saying “proclivity” a lot and Ian saying “at any rate”. Keep up the good work chaps!

[@1989gibbi]

I'm a cavalry reenactor and I use the Smith carbine. This is for in range and any reenactors out there. the biggest problem with the cartridges back in the day and modern ones was how difficult they were to remove from the chamber after they were fired. they're also difficult to put in the chamber with an actual bullet in place. All because of the rubber. What the rubber did was it sealed the chamber so there was no leakage and higher pressure resulting in better ballistics with the bullet. But both in combat and and reenacting these became very difficult to work with. Sometimes I actually found myself spending too much time trying to remove a spent rubber cartridge from the chamber then actually participating in the reenactment. The solution that I found was using red plastic plumbing hose from any hardware store which is used in conjunction with blue plastic hose for hot and cold water in showers. Cutting them down to the same length as the rubber cartridges and using masking tape on one end that is easily burnt through not requiring any kind of hole and after the powder is poured in, poor boiling candle wax onto the top so that it forms around the granules of powder. If the candle wax is too cool then it will form a solid Mass on top of the powder creating a projectile which in my experience and experiments can sometimes result in a tracer. But all in all it is a projectile and you don't want to use those on the reenacting field. Will they kill? At close range they could possibly kill and cause serious damage. They put pretty solid dents in pinewood. So long as the wax forms around the granules of powder to the point where the powder is all you see then it will disintegrate and burn upon ignition meaning no projectile whatsoever. So because the plastic hose is a smaller diameter than the rubber they are extremely easy to pull out of the chamber and extremely cheap so not much to worry about if you drop some on the field. Glad to share my experiences

[@matthaught4707]

It's so cool that you were able to source all of these (and even ammo!). This is truly living history.

[@TheWarmotor]

I called the Sharps before he picked it up. Then I was SO proud of myself. Then I was VERY sad. I learn so much from Ian and Karl, but not how to let people love me... never that. Good series 10/10 will recommend.

[@samhansen9771]

Tha was a rollercoaster

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Sir this is a Wendy's

[@SgtKOnyx]

Heck you have a thumbs up

[@bigbud6842]

@@sulivanmagnum shit so I cant buy my weed here?

[@shawnadams1965]

Great video Karl, Muzzleloading on Horseback... I can't even imagine that coming close to working.

[@Arthurzeiro]

Looking at the calendar I expected bo be greeted with a bunch of AR-15s, I'm glad I assumed wrong.

[@stonehaven]

AKs instead of ARs. Those who read Harry Turtledove's Guns of the South will understand that reference.

[@colemanmoore9871]

@@stonehaven That would have been a great April Fool's video. Starts out showing a Sharps. "this was the Union's preferred carbine. However, the Confederacy made great use of this" *pulls out AK-47.* "The AK-47 turned the war and secured victory, but not peace, for the South."

[@FeedMeMister]

We are in time where urgent news every day sounds like a joke, April fools has become irrelevant.

[@jasoncarskadon6809]

This is awesome karl I can't wait to see more on these weapons.

[@ZGryphon]

This looks like it's going to be a fun series. Also, it's nice to know that even in these times of crisis, civil aviation is alive and well in Arizona. I had to cut my Patreon pledge from $5 down to $1, so the thank-you at the end made me feel kind of guilty, but hey, if there ever is such a thing as money in Maine ever again, you'll be the second to know after the people who hold the mortgage on my house. :)

[@george5156]

Here's hoping you have plenty of fuel for winter heating

[@andrewpiegzik4121]

Am I the only one that heard "Horses mounted on Horse"?

[@dannythehonestgamer6051]

Nope, i heard it too. A true derp moment from Karl.

[@Batmack]

Well, yes, but we have to agree that a horse mounted on another horse would still have trouble using a muzzleloader.

[@t0r4kk4]

I heard it the first time, but after rewinding it changed to 'forces'. What is this wizardry?

[@ActualHumanPerson]

@@t0r4kk4 - it's science.

[@51WCDodge]

How else are you going to get replacments?

[@fongule100]

Karl, I really appreciate the history portrayed on inrangetv. Like others in the comments, I have an interest in firearms and history. Thank you.

[@stevenandbobthedog]

I've always been very fascinated with the civil war era so it's great seeing content like this, thanks Karl!

[@CDOES]

Awesome video. I can't wait for the more in depth videos on each rifle!

[@georgehjohnston7155]

Yes the Henry 1860 was issued. Most notably it was issued to the 1st DC cavalry that was one of the units that helped defend the nation's capital. Book "Symbol sword and sheild"

[@tomunterwegs1206]

Besides the different carbines and their story and history, I enjoy the lush green background at the moment. Thanks Karl!

[@beardoggin8963]

Really enjoy the history in these videos. From a single shot, larger than .50 caliber, using black powder carbines to a .223 M4 Carbine

[@markhorejsi2139]

And all in less than 100 years

[@mikeadams8293]

I would really enjoy a video about the battle of chickamauga! They have a super collection of ~4 to 500 rifles of the civil war on display at the visitor’s center and I’ve really enjoyed your vignettes on the Wild West! Great Job!!

[@jordantrottier3882]

The Spencer is so beautiful. The big lever operated rolling block action. The tubular magazine safely concealed in the butt stock. They really are a work of art.

[@jeffhumphreys8642]

Thanks for covering this type of stuff Karl! You and Ian are the best!

[@JohnDoe-pv2iu]

A Big problem for the US military during the Civil war was the Ordinance department's desire to Not supply any ammunition of 'non-standard' design. They only wanted to issue the standard paper cartridges and caps for a Springfield rifle. This was a problem for the Calvary throughout the war. Great video and Take Care, John

[@olddirtbiker5088]

The Spencer also had a cartridge box with a number of tubular "speed loaders" that could be emptied into the buttstock magazine. That's a lot of fire power for the time. I have a repro in 45LC-what a great gun.

[@MrWarwick15]

Thanks Karl! It's always a pleasure to watch you! Thanks. Rich.

[@InrangeTv]

Thanks for watching!

[@donalddodson7365]

A bit off topic, but I am researching the weaponry of the 8th U.S. Cavalry Troop E formed August 1866 and deployed to Ft. Lapwai (later Idaho). As a newly stood up Troop the reading I have found is unclear whether or not they would have had hand-me-down Civil War, remanufactured Civil War or newly purchased "state of the art" firearms for a post Civil War cavalry. My great grandfather on my dad's side served with them in Idaho. I also have a Maynard carbine, similar to the one you showed, but our family lore is that belonged to my mom's great uncle, who served in the U.S. Army in the Philippine Campaign, around 1899. Thank you for any leads you might think of. Also, thanks for a well done video!

[@danielberry3625]

I’m excited for this series. The U.S. civil war is really a major turning point in politics and firearms development.

[@quintonb9870]

I love these types of videos. Can't wait to see more. Keep pumping out the quality content, please!

[@cptreech]

This is what brought me to "Forgotten Weapons" and then on to "In-Range". Such a fascinating period of History, such a unique "War"

[@umami0247]

This is a great series the civil war is a subject I try and learn as much about it as I can. And your doing a great job in presenting this. Keep it up.

[@con6lex]

Fantastic! I love to see the evolution of the arms and ammo.

[@johncashwell1024]

Great content Karl, I am really looking forward to watching your series on these unique Civil War weapons systems.

[@elektro3000]

I really enjoy the content involving the development of breechloaders and repeaters in North America. Close second to the Old West Vignettes!

[@richarddixon7276]

Fascinating !, looking forward to the follow ups & in depth explanations, perhaps You & Ian can do a shoot off to finish the series the series off . Thanks for this lesson on historic carbines ,stay Safe & stay Well !

[@Huntersinthesky]

Hey Karl, are we still goin to see this series any time soon? I know I love your gun comparison videos and seeing more about these fascinating arms would be a real boon!

[@charlesritman1088]

I love the civil war content. Would love to see carbine specific videos.

[@USSEnterpriseA1701]

One thing worth pointing out on the comparison between the linen and paper cartridges for the Sharps is that the over long paper cartridges had a tendency to contribute to the rifle's forend detonating on rare occasion. Basically, when the base of the cartridge was shaved off, a bit of powder inevitably came with it and could collect in a recess cut in the forend for the spring that tensions the breech mechanism and holds the lever closed or open. Under the right circumstances, with the gas leakage of the breech, this powder could ignite and pretty much detonate the forend. Interestingly, this is most often attributed to the Confederate made copies of the Sharps as a design or material flaw, but actually this was because the South didn't quite have the capability to manufacture the linen cartridges en mass, so they stuck with the paper cartridge unless they could capture some Union made linen cartridges.

[@troy9477]

Nice. This is going to be a great series. A brass case with a flash hole. I am surprised that it took several more years to make the mental leap of putting the primer at the flash hole. Rimfire cartridges existed, so having priming in thd case was not an off the wall idea. I have long thought about getting a repro Spencer. Starline has been making the centerfire brass for awhile, so it is a feasible proposition. I imagine dies are probably expensive and special order, but they are a 1-time expense. Same for the bullet mould. Don't get me thinking- that is always dangerous😃

[@jackusmc2542]

Awesome video. Looking forward to the individual rifle videos. Love the greenery!!

[@CUSELİSFAN]

I'm not a native English speaker but your pronounciation is very nice. I can still understand you even though you talk quite fast. Great!

[@marks1638]

I bought another breech loading carbine used in the Civil War. It was a percussion Gallagher Carbine (mine was replica) back in 1978 as my first black powder rifle from a guy for $75. It has a metal cartridge that you pre load with a minie ball and powder or could leave in the gun to muzzle load. The issue is that it would burn off hair from your arm and you had to wear long sleeves (nothing flammable). I kept for about a year and sold it in trade for a used 1911.

[@Orzorn]

I'm always amazed by ya'll's ability to just rattle off numbers without a paper in front of them. You listed 5 separate cartridges, bullet weights, powder counts, and velocities without a hitch!

[@magnani]

Oh how I've been looking forward to this series, it'll keep me entertained for the lock down here in the UK. How much were you able to get filmed before all this started happening?

[@sirbassist]

@InRangeTV I'd love to see videos on each of these rifles. fascinating stuff!

[@ArtemisTherion]

love these history videos! keep up the great work guys.

[@Mag_Aoidh]

I applaud your narrative, daunting though it may be to regurgitate that much information in one take. A couple of Spencer/Sharps mismatches but overall a well put together video. I’ve owned an original Spencer rifle, I own a repro 1863 Sharps and have fired a Maynard.

[@spartaninvirginia]

This will be an awesome series. Looking forward to it.

[@lars9925]

I am always excited about these series on specific topics. But that also makes me wonder: What about your WWSD 2020 series? You announced that big and only made a few videos ... months ago.

[@truestory2990]

Just what i needed to take my mind off the panic. Thanks, Karl!

[@mattjohnson5402]

Really looking forward to this videos. Thanks for these excellent history lessons!!

[@ringogringo814]

One of the rarest early War breach loading carbines was the Cosmopolitan carbine. My great-great-grandfather carried one in the fifth Illinois Volunteer Calvary. I think there was only around 2,600 of them made.

[@user-ty3vd8qr5j]

The Spencer Carbine remained the Standard Issue Carbine to mounted Troopers posted West of the Mississippi. At Ft Sill the Spencer was finally recalled in the winter of 1873/74. I wonder how many seasoned Troopers bought their's Surplus for $10 and carried it as " Back up? The cartridge was pretty similar energy wise; the 45-70 Carbine load was 45 grains of powder and a 405gr bullet. Spencer used a 350gr bullet and 45gr black powder.

[@poppasquat8483]

mixing Spencer up with Sharps is the closest thing to April Fools Joke we'll get this year

[@trevorlomprey3077]

I heard that too

[@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike]

I love cavalry carbines so Im looking forwards to the next videos. Thanks for doing this.

[@arieheath7773]

It’s refreshing to not have an April’s Fools video right now. I’m just not in the mood for that. Thanks for the video Karl, always glad to see Old West themed videos.

[@garyneilson1833]

Thank you for this Karl, the US Civil war is an area of my military history which is very limited and I'm hoping to find out more from these videos

[@DanielESmith-iz7lx]

I collect cartridges. A small collection it is. But I love this sort of thing. Top notch sir!

[@itsnodawayitustabe5654]

Thankyou Karl. Civil War small arms are underappreciated among younger shooters.

[@davidelzinga9757]

I ran across a Maynard at a pawn shop, had 3 barrels and some cartridges with it. Must have been a later model, as the primers went on the cartridge. There was even a tool for setting the primers

[@BoldAlligator]

Really wish this video came out 5 years ago. My pops would have loved this.

[@shootingwithmitch5921]

I am very much looking forward to watching this series!

[@Sedan57Chevy]

I have never been so excited for an Inrange series! Thank you, Karl! Can't wait to see more on these wonderful old carbines.

[@KingHalbatorix]

Real video? Real video. Thank goodness, April 1rst spam got old quicker than ever this year.

[@Matt61702]

YES! Old timey US guns are my favorite content on IRTV.

[@justhavingfun675]

There are also many unique breech loading carbines issued only to State regiments that are well engineered and using the most advanced technology. e.g. the Triplett and Scott Repeater, Sharps and Hankins, and Frank Wesson. So much advancement in a short period of time

[@briancox2721]

So many questions about that rubber cartridge. Was it vulcanized? Why rubber? Can't wait for that video to come out.

[@machintelligence]

The cartridge he displayed was a modern equivalent. The original was a rubber tube with a bullet at one end and a cardboard disc with a center perforation at the other. They are very rare and collectible today. My great great grandfather purchased one of these carbines when he was discharged from the Union army. The price was eight dollars and it is still in he family.

[@droidlittle582]

As always I love the historical content! You guys rock! Cheers!

[@mycoolhandgiveit]

Thank you for all the indepth and we'll done content.

[@taylorkessen8772]

I'm so excited about this series!

[@elricm13]

Great video, love the production data. Might be interesting to do the more obscure rifles like the Triplett & Scott

[@timd729]

Excellent knowledge here and great video. Those are pretty awesome rifles.

[@joedunbar2072]

Great video brother it was informative and worth sharing and subscribing keep up the good work

[@akradr]

So much better than the History Channel.

[@CT--fp4se]

This was pretty cool, would be nice to get more civil war stuff in general

[@george5156]

I'm distantly related to the first union officer killed in the "civil" war. He lost his head to a cannon ball, but we should be so lucky as to check out quickly. Other reports say Theodore Woolsey Winthrop died from a rifle bullet to the chest.

[@leebrewer1190]

Amazing info - I had never seen some of those cartridges before (wow...rubber?!). Please don't take this as a negative...former OCD teacher here.🙂 The caValry was on hoseback. The place called CaLvary is where Christ was crucified.

[@robertallen9095]

Common error

[@argyle1812]

Excellent series

[@DocOmaley98]

I love this historical based content. Maybe you could do a water of mud test with the rifles to see how weather proof they would've been. Love the video and the channel!

[@ch319ris]

I really looking forward to this series.

[@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n]

I saw the video about the model 2 Maynard with it's reusable brass cartridges- I'm rather confused about why it's only the sixth most issued when it makes much more sense than several of these other breechloaders. I can understand that the Sharp's was the first widespread one, and I definitely understand why the Spencer would be so popular, but these other designs don't have any advantages I can see over the model 2 Maynard.

[@Tacklebox3000]

Videos like these are why I’m a patron, not the matches.

[@InrangeTv]

We have a very diverse audience, I get the same comment the other way too.

[@Tacklebox3000]

InRangeTV I know, and I imagine I’m in the minority preferring the history over the action. I was just excited to see some old school carbines.

[@MarvinCZ]

I like the diverse content. The combined experience provides a unique perspective for both.

[@AAAF556]

These are awesome, thanks for sharing them, man.

[@trooperdgb9722]

Looking forward to this series!

[@petergunn-w2v]

The Maynard was also made in .35 before the war as sporting carbines and again in 1865 in .40 as sporters. Most of what the state of FL bought before the war were .35 sporters I believe.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

The Smith rubber cased round looks almost like a modern telescoping round.

[@williammagoffin9324]

Reminds me of some of the specialty pellet gun ammo out there, where you have a sub-caliber tin and iron (not lead) pellet and a plastic casing to engage the rifling.

[@Warriorcat49]

William Magoffin Your plastic “casing” in such a guise is called a sabot (pronounced “say-bow”), in case you didn’t already know.

[@williammagoffin9324]

@@Warriorcat49 They are not sabots as they don't separate, it's just a plastic coating over the skirt of the pellet to protect the rifling when using a tougher metal than lead since air rifle barrels tend to be made of fairly soft steel.

[@devincook2736]

@@williammagoffin9324 do you have anything to back up your claim of airgun barrels being made of soft steel?

[@williammagoffin9324]

@@devincook2736 Airguns will have 1020 or 1117 steel for rifle barrels while centerfire rifles will have 4130 or 4140 steel. Companies like Crosman and Daisy use low carbon 1020 in their barrels, higher quality air guns will have 1117 which is equal to the steel in .22 rimfire barrels. Benjamin uses or used brass barrels at one time (many older guns will have brass barrels). You'll find warnings online about not using steel or copper-coated steel BBs in rifled airgun barrels because it can damage the rifling.

[@maxwellclark6992]

Very interesting, love the content, always have, always will

[@FeedMeMister]

"Forces that are mounted on horse" sounded like "horses that are mounted on horse" and I had a very strange mental picture.

[@johnfife3062]

Looking forward to the follow-up videos.

[@michaelmcgourty9535]

Thank you for this video. I've always wanted to learn about this subject.

[@noahcount7132]

The Hall "breech-loading muzzle loader that you didn't load from the muzzle" (mentioned about 1m 20s into the video) must have been either a very confusing or very convenient firearm to operate. Clever, subtle April Fool's Day joke Karl. ;^)

[@liverpoolirish208]

The number of Spencer's received is incorrect. Only 45,733 Spencer carbines were manufactured under the wartime contracts (excluding the Burnside contract, as none were received before the end of the war), which ran into 1866. By 1st August 1864 the army had received 20,182 Spencer carbines. They probably didn't receive much more than 30,000 before the war ended.