Cam's flying throughout this video was fantastic. Especially when he was defensive against the F-22 in the Su-35 really good stuff and I was amazed he survived as long as he did. Should have more of him in your videos
@alekosalekadis60952 жыл бұрын
well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want. Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs. Here a video kzbin.info86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share
@jcadlols2 жыл бұрын
I feel like with the stealths you might as well have an altitude and speed advantage. You don’t need to hide in terrain & you’ll get better missiles if any lower opponent gets close enough to see you.
@mortlet51802 жыл бұрын
Yup, this is just silly. "BVR" but everyone is just hiding behind *buildings* and using super-zoom Mk.II eyeball. Then again, DCS's poor radar and missile mechanics does incentivise 3rd-gen Vietnam-style flying. Even peer-to-peer 4th-gen combat, with the official "PFM Modules", devolves into this weird ground-hugging pseudo anti-Fox-2 gameplay. It's exactly what I'd expect if you just took the 3rd-gen aircraft and their unreliable rear-aspect Fox-2 missiles from the Vietnam era, and simply made them faster, more maneuverable and cooler looking, while keeping the tech and tactics essentially unchanged. Radar guided Fox-1 missiles are essentially just clones of the Fox-2s, replacing flares with chaff and putting the seeker on the aircraft, but keeping the fundamental tech and tactics the same. The introduction of Fox-3s into this ecosystem would obviously prove extremely deadly for the ground-huggers (just look at how the playerbase complains about Fox-3s being too good, unfair and 'not fun'). So the Fox-3s were simply given a gamified exploit that allowed those same Vietnam-era tactics to be used against even the fastest, highest Fox-3 launch, thereby nullifying any advantage that building and keeping your energy up, being disciplined and respecting standoff distances, or even just practicing and knowing your timelines, etc. would have given the 4th-gen pilot.
@pottyputter052 жыл бұрын
@@mortlet5180 it's a difficult thing as we have to acknowledge that it's a game first and a sim second so it makes me wonder if they should just offer an option on the missles server side for if you want them totally realistic or gameified
@mortlet51802 жыл бұрын
@@pottyputter05 What I wouldn't give to have "full-fidelity" missile modules that we could buy. Yes this could easily be controlled on a per-server basis, but I don't think that's the issue here. Think about it, IRL Air-to-Air missiles (AAMs) don't need to hit you and they almost never miss by very small distances, like we often see in DCS. This is exactly why missile designers are willing to degrade the kinematics, range and the maneuverability of their missiles so much to put large explosive warheads on (reference the payload in The Rocket Equation), when even just the supersonic missile impact and subsequent internal detonation of 1-2kg of RDX would be enough to neutralize most modern lightweight fighters. ED pushes to achieve the most "Realism", while actively ignoring any classified information (and even unclassified or declassified info if it didn't come with explicit, verifiable and written permission to publicly disseminate said information). While this seems sound in principle, in practice they misuse it as an excuse to keep inaccurate or even completely unrealistic things in DCS. They even use it to actively ignore (or in some cases even completely revert it after the fact) multiple, fairly reliable (but not up to their 'standards') sources of information, even when it's obvious that DCS is lacking in that area and that no better source of that specific info is freely available either. One very visible example of this, as it relates to AAMs in DCS, is Proximity Fusing. It is common knowledge (or at least easily verifiable) that kinetic "Hit-to-Kill" interceptor guidance, compared to using an explosive warhead which only requires guidance to get somewhere within tens to hundreds of meters (depending on warhead size, altitude, etc.) of the target, has been a *much* more difficult and less reliable technique until (arguably) very recently. However, even with the AAMs we currently have in DCS and all their problems, ED have decided that it is more 'realistic' to have fighters 'defeat' active radar homing missiles, that came to within 15m (~50ft) of them, by literally out turning the missile (not decoying, masking or otherwise confusing the seeker). Sometimes the fighters are even flying so close and parallel to their persuing missiles that it seems like formation flying. ED insists that this is better and more realistic than having lagging/de-synced players die from a missile that they never saw hitting them. This doesn't make much sense as players are then able to exploit all manner of network issues (high latency, variable latency, packet drops, duplicate packets, etc.) to get a very significant edge. Indeed this lag-teleporting phenomenon was already widely observed years ago when this topic of proximity fusing was being actively discussed. Considering the past and current rate of progress on this, I have absolutely no hope of getting even semi-realistic proxy fusing in DCS withh the next 5-10 years. However, if we ever do get it, you can bet that they will nerf the missiles so that the proxy fusing doesn't suddenly result in a much higher Pk or substantially decrease those Hollywood-worthy, high-G near-misses!
@hyperx72 Жыл бұрын
@@pottyputter05 Weird how the sim that's so complicated to fly that you'd need a pilot's license to takeoff is gamified in such a way.
@TurboHappyCar2 жыл бұрын
24:57 Grump and Cam awesome flying! Weaving in and out of buildings going for a gun shot was some anime shit right there. 👍
@wasirahman52332 жыл бұрын
Aside from the bugs this turned out to be a really weird one. Su-35 killing F-22 and getting killed by F-35 in dogfight
@paradiddlesixix75302 жыл бұрын
it also wouldve helped to use chaff while youre trying to "run away" from their radar guided missile haha
@bukweat2 жыл бұрын
@@paradiddlesixix7530 that was weird. Incoming missile and his defensive strat is to try and outrun it?
@JelqSmith2 жыл бұрын
Did the F35 even get guns on at all? I think the Su-35 killed itself.
@wasirahman52332 жыл бұрын
@@JelqSmith F-35A has gun
@ricardomartinez18712 жыл бұрын
Recipe to counter a flat spin: Air brakes deployed, flaps down, landing gear down, rudder opposite to the spin direction, full throttle, cook it with abundant altitude.
@seanmurphyification2 жыл бұрын
I heard a rumor that the Su-57 isn't actually that stealthy at all. I saw a picture of it up close and you could see the rivets holding it together. But hey, when have the Russians ever lied?
@CMarkem2 жыл бұрын
Does it really matter ? They have like 3
@SukhoyBoy41132 жыл бұрын
10 experimental units were produced, each for a different role. 6 were built as a serial unit. The serial units don't have the rivet problem. I recommend watching "Millennium 7*" channel. Dude has made an hour long video about it.
@infinitetk41652 жыл бұрын
Those are the prototypes the serial production units have only entered service this year
@infinitetk41652 жыл бұрын
@@CMarkem 6 and counting 🤦🏾
@ser43_OLDC2 жыл бұрын
Those are the prototypes the serial ones doenst have that. I recommend you watch Milenium 7 and learnd about the topic with objectivity
@CH3TN1K3132 жыл бұрын
Amazing flying Grump. What's crazy is that's exactly what you see from the Russian pilots from Telegram videos taken by witnesses on the ground. Both their Su-35's and even attack aircraft like their Su-25's are keeping super lower altitudes, and then only pop up to fire, launch a salvo of flares, and hit the deck again. There's actually about 4-5 videos of Su-25's doing this, and I think about 2 of the Su-35's, that I've personally seen. I understand AESA isn't modeled, but people need to realize that Russian and other nations like India who are flying the PESA equipped Sukhoi's & MiG's have been doing training against AESA equipped adversaries, and have still had success, so tactics have been developed and employed. Not to mention the Russians relying on their IRST sensor more than most nations.
@alekosalekadis60952 жыл бұрын
Iam prety sure American have exaggerate their planes abilities. Su 35 and 57 have made the best radars to detect stealth from bvr engage. Of course mods in dcs are incomplete. Not a hater and personally i like f22 to much. But russian planes are in another lvl.
@LarryJL2 жыл бұрын
@@alekosalekadis6095 I'm pretty sure the SU-57 isn't all that. All development in Russia is full of corruption, so yeah it's going to be very lacking in some aspects. Not to mention there are like 10 of them or something like that. On the other hand F-22 is being kept under wraps when it comes to some functions. To my understanding they limited the pilots from taking part in international excercises, since the pilots aren't allowed to use all of the plane's abilities when other countries are present. Operating with limited abilities lead to some bad habits forming so they put a stopper on it.
@alekosalekadis60952 жыл бұрын
@@LarryJL well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want. Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs. Here a video kzbin.info86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share
@JDH07122 жыл бұрын
"Mom... can we get an F-22 Raptor?" "No sweetie, we all ready have one at home..." **-F-22- at home (Su-57)**
@j4s0n392 жыл бұрын
The broken airbrake and oxygen system on the Felon are just modeling Russian build quality.
@jakobmax32992 жыл бұрын
Lol so true.
@saqibshafin2 жыл бұрын
Russia has neither the time nor the money to build QUALITY things. 'Good Enough' is fine for them. Over optimization is the root of all evil. Ask Nazi Germany.
@stalinliberator4642 жыл бұрын
more like this videogame quality))
@AV8-tur2 жыл бұрын
@@stalinliberator464 DCS is the most realistic military flight sim. And just cause your a commie don't mean you get to say that Russia builds quality planes.
@voidtempering87002 жыл бұрын
@@AV8-tur What planes have they built aren't good aircrafts, in the past 20 years. Also, Russia isn't communist.
@markbreton16202 жыл бұрын
"Grump doesn't have a stealth fighter" Doesn't matter in DCS since ED has not clue what stealth means in regard to low observables aircraft. EW and ATC radar have no problem seeing stealth fighters (the tails B2 is a different story). Radar that is accurate enough for fire control has a big problem seeing (and targeting) stealth aircraft. Also, the SU-57 is loaded with right angles that render it no more stealthy than an F16. And then there is the US doctrine of using the F22 and F35 going radar silent, the F35 finds targets with its EO sensors, F22 fires missiles in the direction provided by the F35 which then datalinks the missiles to the targets. No radar required at any point. But as that is a technology from the last 20 years I don't expect ED to understand that. Heck they still have AGM-88 acting like AGM-45, going stupid when the radar is turned off and ignoring their INS. DCS is a really good attempt at a flight simulator, but they have cut too many corners for it to be considered realistic. They should give their aircraft fantasy names and stop trying to push them off as the real thing. Flight models are accurate enough, but damage modeling is too generic across aircraft and weapon systems are buffed or nerfed to make it not really matter.
@rubiconnn2 жыл бұрын
I mean you can't really complain about it when you use modded aircraft. None of the vanilla planes have stealth so there is no point in ED wasting time programming more detail. I with GR would use less mods as 99% of the time it's just a janky mess.
@AbstractObserver2 жыл бұрын
are you going to pull a "challenger" and release classified material on how stealth in those fighters work?
@Kevin-hb7yq2 жыл бұрын
aspect matters, hard to model in a sim
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
TBH stealth is only roughly modelled in game at moment.
@rubiconnn2 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-hb7yq Not really. Aspect is already calculated as part of rasterization of the plane's meshes when drawing each frame and the angle of each surface is already calculated for lighting. The only reason why it probably isn't done already is because there isn't much of a point as it won't change gameplay at all.
@00calvinlee002 жыл бұрын
CAP, I was surprised you didn't zoom out to Sea, speed up, let the F-35 draw them in with quick pulses from the radar and then shoot them from the side or rear. The F-22 super cruise would be a big help to get into position before giving up the location. I'll watch the rest of the video and see what happens.
@Anarchy_4202 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Your on a roll lol did I win a request lottery😆👍 Thanks for doing yet another request! Most appreciated, can't wait to watch!😁✌
@DWillis72 жыл бұрын
I think the figures that are thrown about the most are F22 with an RCS of 0.0001, F35 at 0.005 and SU57 at 0.1 - 1.
@mac28572 жыл бұрын
F-35 is stealthier than F-22 according to remarks by Airforce officials
@emmata982 жыл бұрын
@@mac2857 also it is smaller and if the same or similar paint etc is used, the F35 should habe a significant advantage from several angles
@cockatoo0102 жыл бұрын
The SU-57 has a larger RCS than that. It's lack of radar-absorbing coating and other issues make it as large as a clean super hornet's
@josefranciscoramirez44382 жыл бұрын
@@cockatoo010 with all due respect is clear you don't know anything about the subject, I recommend you to do your research because firstly the rcs data is classified, not to mention that the rcs changes constantly depending on the angle and the radar wave lenght, and the Su 57 does use composite materials and has an radar absorbing paint.
@marshalljulie36762 жыл бұрын
@@cockatoo010 yeah this is you just hating not facts. Watch the channel combat approved it shows the su 57 in detail
@PotatoeJoe692 жыл бұрын
Wish the mod creator of the F-35 would update the flight model. We know now (from video evidence, and estimated sustained then rate and AOA) that the F-35 pulls higher AOA than an F-18, and sustains tighter turns than an F-16.
@hemendraravi47872 жыл бұрын
Wtf ,f35 outrates the f16 ? No way
@forzaelite12482 жыл бұрын
This 1000%, there's a video of an F35 pulling the same loop into flat spin physics witchcraft that the F22 can w/o vectoring, albeit a little less nimbly. The thing is just so capable that I think people are in a state of disbelief; I imagine if it were accurately modeled it might get a little unfair tho
@hemendraravi47872 жыл бұрын
@@forzaelite1248 any plane can enter a flat spin , it just depends on weather it can get out of it or not , some can and some cannot and those high alpha maneuvers depends on its speed n sht
@forzaelite12482 жыл бұрын
@@hemendraravi4787 yeah I should've probably specified post stall maneuvering and recovery but it can do it at will whereas before a flat spin was grounds for an eject, not quite sure about it out-rating the F16 but with the engine and tech available it shouldn't be too hard to beat what we've done before
@Junr-lc7no2 жыл бұрын
@@manuelpiston Highly doubt that considering that the major problem pilots had with the F-35 is that it loses a lot of energy in turns
@profo45442 жыл бұрын
Recent thing i learned about the su-57 is it has nearly the same indentical side profile as a yf-23. The russians definitly were checking out those yf-23s when we had them just sitting out in the sun. We should of atleast put them indoors. But its stealth profile from the rear is basically non existant on the su-57. And thats where the YF-23 excels over any fighter, basically to this day. Its giant tails that were the size of an f-35 wing alone gave them impressive performance without the need of vectoring. And the flat underside also helped. They were going mach 1.8-2.0 while the raptor hit 1.56 tops.
@lastknownjedi51192 жыл бұрын
Has the side profile of a stealthy su-27 actually so the yf-23 was conceived with the su-27 profile in mind
@profo45442 жыл бұрын
@@lastknownjedi5119 I doubt that, its a completely new design made from a computer. I know this for a fact. Its a diamondwing completely unique frame, still to this day, basically a 6th gen airframe made in the 80s.
@jorehir2 жыл бұрын
- The thing about side profile and YF-23 being left in the sun makes no sense. - Thrust vectoring will always be better for maneuvers, especially at low speed, when wings don't receive enough air. - The YF-23 tails were so big because they combined vertical and horizontal surfaces. In plan view, they look normally sized. - No point in going faster than the F-22, since stealth coatings degrade with high speed temperatures.
@CMDRSweeper2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter actually, when it boils down to it, there are only so many ways to solve a problem. Just look at the C-5 Galaxy and AN-124, they look very similar from the side profile, but the same mission requirements dictated their aesthetics before they even could get to adding the instrumentation and engines. Same with the "Checkmate" and F-35 as well as the Korean "Baby F-22"
@старшийсержант-л7ш2 жыл бұрын
no , they have gone their own path , just like the usa they experimented with various forms across the years. the chinese J20 though is suppposedly based on the Mig1.44 , i mean they bought one of the prototypes.
@Timotheousturalyon2 жыл бұрын
The problem with this is no one has an objective to go after. Can you imagine the non stealth plane flying around in buildings when he has something he needs to attack or defend. The stealth planes wouldn't fly anywhere near him in real life. They would go do their mission while he played around in the buildings.
@Laerei Жыл бұрын
What if the mission is to reduce enemy air capability to zero?
@Timotheousturalyon Жыл бұрын
@@Laerei If he played around in the buildings while they were bombing his base or fuel depot or ammo dump he would be useless. Just like he had no air capability. He would have to come out to play or lose everything.
@benwillis72092 жыл бұрын
In the third fight with cap in the felon, I think Cap’s canopy was opened at the very start of the flight. No idea on the speed brake but maybe bad binding.
@saqibshafin2 жыл бұрын
it was frustrating to watch him with airbrake ON...
@mortlet51802 жыл бұрын
Probably just oversped it on his way down from ~45 000ft.
@rags4172 жыл бұрын
DCS: I am the greatest and most accurate flight sim on the planet ! Also DCS: Don't forget to blow your canopy when you get into a dogfight so you can hear when the enemy aircraft shoots at you...
@g00gleisgayerthanaids562 жыл бұрын
@@rags417 i mean, theyre community generated mods, right?
@Gabriel_McMillan2 жыл бұрын
Re-Re-Match Please! Excellent scenario! Herculean effort! (and yes, I stopped getting all of my favorite KZbin videos, until I switched it from "personalized" to "all" too, so you're not just imagining it)
@CMDRSweeper2 жыл бұрын
Easy question to answer the one at the end... YES I WANT TO SEE MORE! Problems aside, it is interesting to also see you try to work around them as well, such as the stuck airbrake :P
@Hwalker_DayZ2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been asking growing sidewinder for this but never have them I found you thanks
@zooweemama9112 жыл бұрын
Hey Cap, Have you seen the community F-35 mod? What are your thoughts on it? If I may, any chance you could reach out to them and see if they’d let you showcase it? Its been in the works for years and looks great. Miles ahead of the VSN one we use now. Interesting video as always, hope you and the misses are doing well. PS; a short video on getting the R-77M working for the Su-35 would really help some of us less .lua gifted people out ;)
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Will try this now but I doubt we'll get anything. I haven't done anything to get R77M working BTW, it just works as default for us?
@старшийсержант-л7ш2 жыл бұрын
Su 35 isnt a stealth aircraft but should be a lot harder to detect and lock anyway because of EW and still relativily low RCS
@slay4karaka3512 жыл бұрын
Su-57 in another video makes me happy, It's interesting to see the change in approaches made to combat the stealth factor the tactics of using the Su-35 as bait and the buildings as cover is smart forcing the opposition close in for the Felon to intercept from the side to rear. I think if the F-35 stood off and let the raptor engage the Su-35 it's superior radar will help track the Felon especially if it gives its rear its lowest stealth aspect. overall good fight and great video keep em coming
@kohlshu89792 жыл бұрын
Well the SU-57 is buffed in this mod, not to mention the Su-57 isnt a stealth plane. And the F-22 is also nerfed for 'Balance' Im not sure why considering this is SIM but ask the mod creators not me. Im not sure about the F-35, havent looked at the mod
@slay4karaka3512 жыл бұрын
@@kohlshu8979 I know the jets aren't accurate by any means but working with what they have at hand it was still was a commendable fight, Irl Su-57 has stealth aspects but not on the level of the F-22 and F-35 but it still has stealth qualities. If this was a accurate fight the F-22 and F-35 would've at best max ranged both the Su-35 and Su-57 at worst knock them out at 10 miles.
@heatblast8762 жыл бұрын
The first production model of SU 57 has slightly improved its RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it and the RCS of around of SU 57 which is actually an (serial production) around 0.01m2 as the size of the human fist. But still it not as stealthy as F22 and F35 which has the RCS of around 0.005m2 and 0.00015m2. But remember the SU 57 has a stealth features which might help to undetect in a Long Visual Range.
@kohlshu89792 жыл бұрын
@@heatblast876 Source?
@brendanlawless13532 жыл бұрын
Kohlshu all over the internet. Do some research. People complaining or saying “the SU57 isn’t stealth lol” or “my raptor will eat it before it ever sees it coming” is just wrong. Most times it is young children saying “my stealth jet will beat up your stealth jet”
@Wonderwhoopin2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh, I love watching good pilots just getting at it
@johnfake60312 жыл бұрын
Tries to outrun a missile in an F-22. Flys too high without O2 on and blacks out. Accidently blows the canopy mid fight. Launches missile too low and blows up own plane. Fun to watch but not sure how good the pilots were lmao
@optimusprimus892 жыл бұрын
Despite the technical issues.. this was REALLY intense
@OverlordAntares2 жыл бұрын
Am I high, or should the Su-57 have been dead in round 1? The missile exploded right next to it, a clear hit, and he was still flying around.
@ryanpayne77072 жыл бұрын
Even if the plane survived, the pilot wouldn't.
@somsokca78362 жыл бұрын
lol you new to dcs? plenty of video shown missile hit and the jet still flight, even when tac view said that jet is dead.
@OverlordAntares2 жыл бұрын
@@somsokca7836 I've been playing DCS for years, I rarely see an aircraft survive a direct hit from an Aim-120. If It did, it was a larger aircraft. The Felon just isn't modeled correctly. They said in the video that the Felon is taking more missiles than it should to bring down.
@pogo11402 жыл бұрын
@@OverlordAntares I see fw-190's survive direct hits from aim-7 and aim-120's
@GaryBleck2 жыл бұрын
And the SU57’s dcs busted damage model strikes again.
@PsPmoddedOUT2 жыл бұрын
Yeah idk why they test a model that eats missiles
@Silo-Ren2 жыл бұрын
@34:50 Why was Cap so mad that he made a sonic boom? What's the disadvantage of creating one in a dog fight? And I'm so sorry if I ask these questions, but I'm trying my best to learn what's going on in these simulations. 👍 p.s. thnx Cap for the editorial vid you sent me on the HUD.
@somsokca78362 жыл бұрын
when aircraft made sonic boom it created a massive "cloud" around it (from sub sonic speed to super sonic speed), this is model in the game, so if some one (the enemy team) by chance saw that "cloud" they would know some one is there, it basically says to every one "Hey! I'm here, point your radar at me!"
@Silo-Ren2 жыл бұрын
@@somsokca7836 of courses, know it makes perfect sense. Forgot about all those cool cloud burst IRL. Thnx so much for taking time to explain that. Be well. 🍻
@saulhannibal38192 жыл бұрын
Cap wasn’t mad he made one. He got worried because he heard one meaning the enemy was supersonic and just went right over it next to cap.
@LeeValentine0012 жыл бұрын
@@saulhannibal3819 yep this ^ is exactly what I thought. He was more like "oh shit an enemy aircraft just went right past me and I don't have visual".
@Wonderwhoopin2 жыл бұрын
Cap in the flanker I think would be better cause he dogfights like it’s natural he moves and just performs while he is planning in the stealth he over thinks to much and it cost him
@timmyburden57012 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch video. However in real life I think both Russian jets would go down by a missile hit by a jet that never showed up on their radar screen. They would be left wondering where the jet was located that fired that missile.
@dylan49722 жыл бұрын
What are your qualifications / research / combat experience to give this statement? Or just your feelings?
@timmyburden57012 жыл бұрын
@@dylan4972 Russian technology is often old and out of date. USA has the latest tech and a lot of stealth jets.
@dylan49722 жыл бұрын
@@timmyburden5701 the SU-57 is a 5th gen fighter with current gen stealth and is super maneuverable. The SU-35 would absolutely be prey for the F22 unless it can get within range to find it, but the SU-35 is better in every way to the F35 other than stealth. So I really don't think it would be that easy.
@timmyburden57012 жыл бұрын
@@dylan4972 I mean you could be right. I still feel that the su57 would have a difficult time getting any good lock on a f35 beyond visual range. I do think the su57 is very maneuverable in a close dog fight. India tried out a su57 and they were not impressed. The su57 does look cool.
@jakobmax32992 жыл бұрын
the real strenght in the f35 is that there are more f35s then all the other 5thgen combined
@WalrusWinking2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think the US operates like over 300 at this point while Russia can barley put together a single squadron of SU-57s last I heard.
@TerraZetzz2 жыл бұрын
@@WalrusWinking Only China can try to match the US with their J-20. But who knows if the J-20 is capable.
@WalrusWinking2 жыл бұрын
@@TerraZetzz I mean the F-22 has capabilities that the pilots are not allowed to use in combat exercises with allies and NATO countries. From what I've observed Eastern countries will OVERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment while Western countries ESPECIALLY America will UNDERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment and be way more secretive about it. For a historical example look at the MIG-25 and how pathetic this war in Ukraine has been so far with big bad Russia. The J-20 could very well be the exact same. Because the specs I've seen about that thing look utter fantasy at least the B model and in my opinion could probably be like a child trying to wear daddy's boots. Is it smart to underestimate them? No. And the U.S. is not underestimating them, but just like China's GDP they're more in likely overstating the significance.
@woahhbro29062 жыл бұрын
Video idea: "How many drunk toddlers would it take to defeat a platoon of French Foreign Legionnaires?"
@FatherExo2 жыл бұрын
i’m no ordie but i’m pretty sure if we were flying stealth with air superiority payload, an F-35 in reality would be carrying 2 aim-9s and 4 aim-120s which i don’t think is bad but i was only an avionics maintainer and never really studied the radar cross section with specific payloads
@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын
If I was on the Russian side, I'd use the "Felon" as a sniper (staying low), and the "Flanker" as bait. Never thought I'd see air to air urban combat!!
@jaxompol2242 жыл бұрын
is the data link on the F35 and F22 working in sim as the 35's main strength is to Bird dog for a missile truck to kill.
@shmevan_2 жыл бұрын
yeah I feel like F35 plus F15EX would be the actual comparison here if everything in DCS was like the real world
@Mystical9222 жыл бұрын
The 22 should see everything the 35 sees and vice versa but I guess DCS doesn’t have that
@doubleaplays84502 жыл бұрын
both the F22 and F35 have the FC3 F15 Avionics in dcs
@williamhumber58902 жыл бұрын
@@Mystical922 I mean, how many of these videos can't just be summed up as "how shitty is DCS's implementation of [x]"?
@Mystical9222 жыл бұрын
@@williamhumber5890 I mean they got one clean round off before it fell apart do to stupid stuff and really dumb trigger happy tactics probably DCS and human error
@ShadyHunter1872 жыл бұрын
I think this definitely deserves to be redone there should be no mistakes and a winner definitely has to be declared I honestly would suggest replacing the SU-35 with the J-20
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
duly noted.
@dfwald46572 жыл бұрын
F22 turning your back on the SU-35 was not a good idea at all.
@vincent_dumont2 жыл бұрын
very cool fight!! it looks like a black out due to too many G forces
@walk_in_solo15432 жыл бұрын
Bell clicked and all'ed. Happy flying.
@djzoodude2 жыл бұрын
So yeah, as mentioned by others, the Su-57 is not really a stealth aircraft. It has an RCS of between 0.1 and 1 m2. About the same as a Super Hornet or Typhoon. But that isn't even the biggest problem. The Russians still don't have any missiles it can carry internally. The missiles it's supposed to carry are versions of the modernized Adders and Archers the Su-35 carries, but with smaller control surfaces to fit in the internal bays. Unfortunately, they are still in development. So as of right now, the Su-57 would need external racks to fight BVR, making it even less stealthy. Just speculation on my part, but is it actually confirmed that the Su-57 actually has functional internal weapons bays? Like we've seen F-35s, F-22s, and even J-20s with their bays open and/or firing a missile from their bays, but have we ever seen a Su-57 with its bays open? We know the Russians claim it has bays, but the Russians are known liars...
@watcherzero52562 жыл бұрын
When they sent the Su-57 to Syria to conduct bombing missions they hadnt even finished the weapons management interface, they were literally using slide rules to work out where the manually released dumb bombs would land. Not that accuracy and collateral damage was something they ever cared about.
@djzoodude2 жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 Lol, Russian engineering at its finest there.
@ferrous32622 жыл бұрын
@@djzoodude f22 missiles are changed to fit in the bay just like the su57
@djzoodude2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrous3262 I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Yes, the US developed modified missiles to fit in the internal weapons bays of the F-22 and F-35. What I am saying is that the Russians haven't done so yet. So the Su-57 can't carry its missiles internally like the F-35 or F-22.
@Castragroup2 жыл бұрын
well they dont lie as good as americans but uh...........
@jimkluska2532 жыл бұрын
Would love to see f22, f15ex. Vs su35, su57. Stealth and max fire power!!
@ShadyHunter1872 жыл бұрын
I've been bugging for a F-35 Lightning VS SU-57 BVR Fight although I heard it wouldn't make sense because they both have the exact same stats in terms of stealth and that the FELON would dominate if they were to make it to a merge, however this fight makes a little more sense!
@Utubesuperstar2 жыл бұрын
In dcs yes but irl not even close
@cancelanime15072 жыл бұрын
In IRL the RCS of the F-35 puts the SU-57 to shame
@WalrusWinking2 жыл бұрын
In real life the SU-57 is apparently massive relative to other stealth aircraft. This is just what I've heard tell me if I'm wrong.
@jurajsintaj66442 жыл бұрын
@@WalrusWinking similar to a normal F-16
@WalrusWinking2 жыл бұрын
@@jurajsintaj6644 Yeah lil but the SU-57 is SUPPOSED to be stealth lol
@thomasroth46952 жыл бұрын
That grey out was cool effect
@старшийсержант-л7ш2 жыл бұрын
you should mention in the title or description that said planes are mods , people might get the imperssion that this stuff is official
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Ok will add what now.
@старшийсержант-л7ш2 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers thanks
@Pete2923232 жыл бұрын
What was that merge from the su-35? I see the pilot attended the Prometheus school of running away in a straight line.
@greylensman28342 жыл бұрын
Gonna sit back and wait for a "Survive the Pirouette" challenge. Or Cap does ballet examples. (grin)
@randalljones43702 жыл бұрын
Can we vote on Cap's tutu 'skin/colours"? Would pay
@greylensman28342 жыл бұрын
@@randalljones4370 A10 wings and engines on his little boots?
@randalljones43702 жыл бұрын
@@greylensman2834 Bless his Nomex socks.
@the1anonlyblake2 жыл бұрын
It’s not BVR if you guys can see each other
@cshader24882 жыл бұрын
Do the Aim-120D's no longer work?
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Nope. I'll try find someone in mod community to fix them.
@kenhelmers26032 жыл бұрын
More of these please :) dog fights in the city are scary! :)
@xxxm9812 жыл бұрын
Wow, these comments are so god damn salty, i could dry out a whole beef side with it and still have enough for a big portion of pasta.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Every time I lose in F-22 I get in trouble with viewers.
@captclown64922 жыл бұрын
Every time I hear, "You have done very well." I think of Young Mr. Grace front Are You Being Served?.😁
@crakkbone2 жыл бұрын
LOVE YA CAP! Keep up the good work!
@T.K.92 жыл бұрын
The Super Flanker going low the to the buildings (if memory serves me right) is like the Harrier's in Falkland war staying low to fight forcing the enemy Mirage to go down to fight them. Cause if the Harrier went up to the optimal altitude for the Mirage they would have lose.
@rags4172 жыл бұрын
The Flanker should have stayed high and way back and just kept illuminating the Yanks to keep them guessing while the Felon maneuvered to nail them as they went hunting the (non-existant) Flanker in the city.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Flanker could only see the US planes within 10 miles.
@RogueRiderUk2 жыл бұрын
You've just fired a missile at a target within 10 miles.... they have used the terrain to evade it..... do you A) Turn and run (bearing in mind they can probably visually see you now) or B) Use the terrain yourself..... I guess we know the answer now! Thanks for clearing that one up Cap! Also...tactically.... a 20 mile split pincer would have been a better move, pinging the F-35's radar on and off to draw in the two SU's with the 22 flanking
@Kamikatze1082 жыл бұрын
The link for the Su-35 isn't working anymore. Is there another way to get the Mod?
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
We have an old version of the mod but have been asked not to share until it's re-released sry.
@muffinfish35992 жыл бұрын
Finally a worthy opponent
@anthonykearney6082 жыл бұрын
Cam did well avoiding grumps fire as long as he did
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
yup
@mrlodwick2 жыл бұрын
Capt we changed the hat today and she likes it - all is well.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Did you get the $ back from old one I hope?
@mrlodwick2 жыл бұрын
No it cost more 😪
@Istandby6662 жыл бұрын
Hearing you through Grumps speakers, make you sound younger.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
I can live with that...
@rianmacdonald94542 жыл бұрын
Now there is 4 stunning looking aircrafts.
@keithhoward40692 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem I have with this simulation is that you are giving the Russian stealth fighters the same visibility and detection properties as the American fighters. From what I have read, that is not the case. The Russians would be disadvantaged
@GoBzi2 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with this simulation + comments like yours is that we don't actually know how any of these work. Obviously we have a rough idea, but we can't know how exactly F-35/Su-57 work, so you can't say the Russians/Americans would have an advantage/disadvantage.
@rianmacdonald94542 жыл бұрын
Before watching this, I can of think this is an uneven match up. 2 stealth crafts vs 1 stealth and 1 normal, as much as I love the Flanker, it is an awesome aircraft, stealth alone states it should be targeted and shot down, way before it gets anywhere near the F-22 and F-35 to take a shot. As much I would to watch the Russian's piss all over the USA, in this match, having 2 aircraft that can close to serious distance with out being ''seen'' is too much of an advantage. The SU-57, either flies formation with the flanker, in which case, it's position is known from a great distance, or it bugs out and leaves the flanker in which case, the flanker should be shot down in minutes, leaving a 2 v 1 case. EDIT: Ok I take that back. The flanker, that was some damn good flying, thought those buildings, impressive.
@ObiWanShinobi9172 жыл бұрын
Sorry to break your communist bubble, but Russia would be the one getting pissed on in any real war scenario. There isn't a country on the planet powerful enough to "piss on" the U.S. #1 baby.
@Kiss76specialK2 жыл бұрын
You didn't seem to mention to subscribe to all notifications for the grim reapers 2 channel as well...
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
For some reason GR2 isn't struggling.
@LarryJL2 жыл бұрын
I love how in round 2 the round was over but they just didn't tell you 😂
@oleof6352 жыл бұрын
That super flanker pilot thought GG's
@adamsmith29442 жыл бұрын
Great video tbh. Very descriptive of reality, like the issues with f22 missile launches
@FlyingWithSpurts2 жыл бұрын
Raptor/Felon pilots should be up at 50,000ft supercruising with their radars aimed down. and Yeah Felon is closer to 0.5m than 0.005m RCS
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
In real life yes, but in game they wouldn't be able to see the Felon up that high.
@duthimer2192 жыл бұрын
The F-35 Radar is better IRL than the Raptors its 10 years newer tech
@Goober_____2 жыл бұрын
What radar dose the F-35 use?
@djzoodude2 жыл бұрын
@@Goober_____ It's an updated, somewhat scaled down version of the radar the Raptor uses. It might not actually be better, in some ways. The Raptor's radar is bigger and therefor a bit more powerful.
@zacharygaunt61442 жыл бұрын
F-22 could have beat them all... Bad pilot... 😆 lol Great video love it..!!
@MrWarneet2 жыл бұрын
Stick forward, right rudder and power.
@paradiddlesixix75302 жыл бұрын
why are you guys not supersonic and higher altitudes in bvr fights? this is exactly the opposite of what would really be happening irw most likely
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Problem is if you do that, you can't detect the Su-57 if it's low down and shooting up.
@skaldlouiscyphre24532 жыл бұрын
So, will we ever get a Grim Reapers vs. Growling Sidewinder+LongShot crossover?
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
It's just no poss, we do our fights so differently.
@skaldlouiscyphre24532 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Ah, understandable and it's not surprising from the different video formats. Thanks for the explanation. 🐈⬛
@belegendary662 жыл бұрын
do you know of any new or latest mods for the F22 and F35, I recently downloaded DCS and have tried to load the F22 and F35 but has not worked
@muick9792 жыл бұрын
Dam air breaks messed you up man
@arthurzheng98422 жыл бұрын
About the running out of O2 at 21:00, do you think the plane decompressed?
@rags4172 жыл бұрын
Seriously,how unfair was that - two stealth vs one stealth and one Gen 4. Come on, if you want a fair fight either give each side a single stealth and a single high vis or give the side with high vis more assets.
@LeeValentine0012 жыл бұрын
The point was to pit the best 2 US jets against the best 2 Russian jets. It's also completely fair since they swapped planes for 2 rounds to even things out.
@necronoverlord23062 жыл бұрын
These simulations are based on a wartime footing, and the goal in war is to win with that being said why would you not take any and all advantages while denying the enemy all of his.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
This was the request I got. I'll just do what you guys request.
@daveweber95772 жыл бұрын
Good thing the over g doesn’t cause tunnel vision or black out
@jsubb46802 жыл бұрын
Does cap script his mistakes? I feel like some of his piloting is just very weirdly thought out.
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Yeh it's annoying but you will see some mistakes on GR, it's the bad thing about recording it live.
@philippe27152 жыл бұрын
What I would find super interesting, to see how they would perform if you add S-400, AWACS, Patriot, Pantsir,... In a conflict those systems will work together and a 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 is rare. While I think that in an offensive role the F-22 and F-35 are superior to the SU-57 and SU-35. I think that in a defensive role (or close to there own frontline) where the Russians are supported by there AWACS, S-400, Pantsir, BUK, TOR, Krasukha (electronic warfare system),... the US would get there ass handed to them.
@MICLakVER2 жыл бұрын
SU 35 + S-400 WILL BE SUFFICENT VS F22 F35 NO NEED OF KARASUKHA
@philippe27152 жыл бұрын
@@MICLakVER Could be. However if you use stealth and use a radar (or any other active system) you give away your position. So in a steath fighter you need an AWACS to be your radar and than using a secure data link you get the data. I think that a Karasukha could jam this link between the AWACS and steath fighter and make the fighter blind. It could still use it's passive scanners. Maybe I am completly wrong.
@MICLakVER2 жыл бұрын
@@philippe2715 no your logic is great karasukah jammed the link and f22 forced to use the radar and it give its position and if no jamming then s-400 will lock awacs at 400km and thats a trouble for f22 since no awacs suport and f22 forced to use its radar
@fnglert2 жыл бұрын
Very scuffed, but very interesting.
@GentleeDuckie2 жыл бұрын
that was fun to watch
@Anarchy_4202 жыл бұрын
J-20 and J-16 VS SU-57 and SU-35 BVR!👍
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Noted.
@Anarchy_4202 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers hell yeah, thanks Cap!😁✌
@Anarchy_4202 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers not trying to bother you😅 Also very much looking forward to this Request-- U.S. Carrier Fleet 3rd* rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet! U.S. Carrier Fleet has additional Iowa Class Battleship and LHA Amphibious Assault Ship with F-35's and Helicopters! U.S. Carrier has half F-18's and half F-14's!Please have F-18's take off first! Please have The Iowa Class Battleship next to The Carrier and Helicopters on Support Ships! Plus Human Pilots starting in flight with SU-34's and Super Hornet's!
@TheBerendir Жыл бұрын
I know nothing but isn't the 57 only stealth from front on?
@michaelcraig16912 жыл бұрын
May I ask what program is this simulation run on.
@kalliste232 жыл бұрын
The Russian planes would be supported by ground radar according to Russian doctrine. There's plenty of radars that can see stealth fighters although not well enough for a tracking solution but they would be able to give the pilots an idea of where to look. American planes would surely have some kind of AWACS lurking around that could help out.
@Sinkorswim12252 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree that the Russians don't have a well-integrated/ multi linked radar/tracking system in place. If they did the skies in Ukraine wouldn't be contested and Israeli F35's wouldn't have penetrated Iranian airspace without detection from its Russian air defense systems. The Russians use a three-frequency radar to help detect aircraft, but they would have a low detection rate on the f117 nighthawk which had a stealth signature three times the size of an f35 or f22. By the time these radar systems got a blip the Russian aircraft would be long gone. Getting a track would be a whole other story.
@kalliste232 жыл бұрын
@@Sinkorswim1225 for Russian territory they do and it extends into parts of Europe. Apparently you've forgotten the F115 that got shot down by an obsolete Soviet system. VLF radars may be able to guide pilots to an optical tracking solution and the stealth fighters will have to rely on BVR missiles for self defence.
@joytoys56692 жыл бұрын
Hi, i’m looking for the Su57 mod, i followed your link and it seem to be moved to the trash. Please retore it if you don’t mind. Thanks very much.
@petnahc2 жыл бұрын
Do you guys play it in VR?
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
About 50% of the GR guys do.
@killingyouwithlogic58082 жыл бұрын
The Fact they try to say the SU-57 has same stealth as F-22 just shows how little Russians and even DCS really understands Radar signature and tracking!
@Issacandjacob2 жыл бұрын
those huge engines on the su-57 basically delete whatever stealth it has. The engines on the f-22 were designed to avoid most radar signitures. So in all honestly, the f-22 would lock on the su-57 and would have fired long before the su-57 can get into position.
@OscarZheng50 Жыл бұрын
aint no way an f35, one of the worst modern day dogfighters beat a su 35, one of the best modern day dogfighters in a dogfight even if the f35 started on the flanker's six. if russia claims that point its nose at anything with ease, it should still get offensive pretty quick be able to pull out of a flat spin.
@fadli_1577 Жыл бұрын
Russian aircraft just overrated. Look what any SU-35 doing in Ukraine
@OscarZheng50 Жыл бұрын
@@fadli_1577 im not sure you would say that when your up against a su 35 when your in an f35 in a dogfight and the su 35 just points its nose at you with ease. its just russia who doesn't know how to use its weapons and their undertrained pilots
@talinpeacy7222 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, he went full ace combat on your ass. Said to hell with those civilians, imma use buildings as my jammer
@ger_airfighter2 жыл бұрын
20:55 your pilot ran out of oxygen, thats why the view is so weird
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
hmm
@ger_airfighter2 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers if u dont trust me cap, take the viper to angels 40 and shut ur O2 system of😂
@Phong70802 жыл бұрын
How could Su-35 not beat the F-35 in dog fight? (:
@fqeagles212 жыл бұрын
Hehe
@skyhorseprice65912 жыл бұрын
Watch some F-35 airshow demos, but u have to watch only the 2019-2022 ones. Those feature the full block 3F 9G rated f-35. Everything before that, F-35 was under some limits.
@_Yep_Yep_2 жыл бұрын
The New Zelander guy flies these planes really well.
@martyndyson95012 жыл бұрын
Why didnt you use counter measures Cap? Was they allowed in this fight! Also the sensors on the F35 are the best about, thats what it is best at, in real life the F35 would have all the data and info well before anything else even the Raptor, a dog fight is the last thing it wants to be in. Its all about beyond visual range for the F35. I love the fact that us British have carriers again BUT for me it doesnt make sense to only have the F35B, it also needs something that can dog fight, it does carry helicopters but for me they really need something that is not stealth, something cheap that can carry a big load, at this moment the carrier with F35b's is too much of a specialised platform, but without a catapult they have limited themselves to the stovl aircraft, id like to see a few Harriers on there atleast
@ГеоргийМурзич2 жыл бұрын
Ooof, well, this one was painful to watch
@paulphoenix93622 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
@gail_blue2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they don't use guidance from ground-based low-frequency radar to get missiles within [their own high-frequency radar] lock-on range.
@ashscott60682 жыл бұрын
Cus low frequency radar can only tell you that there's SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE, and that's about it. And any communication between surface-to-air missiles and ground radar, would just give away the location of the ground radar. This is all 70 year old technology. There's nothing new here. There's really nothing involved in stealth technology or missile technology, that wasn't widely known to everyone in the scientific community in the 1940's.
@gail_blue2 жыл бұрын
@@ashscott6068 Don't you know where the ground radar is anyway? (I thought lf-radars were generally left on all the time) and I think they're accurate to around 100 meters (correct me if I'm wrong) so not enough to target an aircraft, but certainly enough to point a fox3 in the right direction.
@trolleriffic2 жыл бұрын
@@gail_blue I think the positional accuracy of those big low frequency radars is a lot worse than 100m so it might be enough to vector a plane into the vicinity of a stealth jet, but not enough accuracy for a missile. The other problem is that those radars are very big and not particularly mobile so they make easy to find targets that would be prime candidates for cruse missile strikes and SEAD missions in the opening hours of a conflict.
@stalinliberator4642 жыл бұрын
what i know is that reality differs from videogames ...su-35 flatspin.... crashed, nice "simulator" lol
@grimreapers2 жыл бұрын
Yes there are some differences.
@robb6252 жыл бұрын
That’s wrong f-22 is rarely tracked the f-35 is uncommonly tracked n the su-57 is made to be stealthy buh doesn’t have the same stealth capabilities as f-22 n f-35
@Ikbeneengeit3 ай бұрын
All 5th gen in DCS have the same RCS? Seems like that defeats the purpose of this exercise. Given that in real life the Su57 is far less stealthy than the American jets.
@stevemorris85452 жыл бұрын
Airbrake stuck on? "This is not bug, this is feature of SU-57!"