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Having recently purchased my first Audi S1 to sell on I realised that you can now buy an early one for the price of a new Up! GTI with a few options.
So I thought it would good to make a video comparing the two cars and see how they are similar and how differ and whether one was a better buy than the other.
I hope you enjoy it and feel free to comment!
This is the music (inspired by the heavy metal in the Mr. JWW 812 Superfast first drive video)
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[@JustinSmith-ee9kp]

Great video again, thanks Andrew. I’ve got an Up GTI on order largely due to your earlier videos. I’ve got a 997 4S as well but do a lot of short journeys which I think the UP will be perfect for (and a touch more economical than the 911...) We had a Puma many years ago which was great fun and drove brilliantly so I’m hoping the Up will drive a bit like or maybe a Mk 2 16V Golf which were also brilliant fun when they came out.

[@volkswizard]

Hi Justin, you are the kind of owner I imagined in the video! The Up! GTI actually drives a lot better than any Mk2 Golf in my opinion because it's got oodles of torque. OK it doesn't reward revving out like the Mk2 16v but I'd swap that top end for the 1.0 TSI's torque swell at 2000 rpm all day long because that's what makes you smile and give the car an inordinate turn of speed with so little weight to shift. I think you'll love it and having owned 4 996/997 911s I have a feeling you might actually find it more fun to drive on the majority of roads in the UK. Tell me I am wrong ;)

[@JustinSmith-ee9kp]

Thanks Andrew, I’ve got a suspicion you’ll be right. Like you, I think, I’ve got a believe that modern day sports cars are just too fast, and your either a bit frustrated or driving like an idiot! Add to this that living in SE London requires a 25 minute drive at least to get to some decent roads and it makes an even stronger case for the Up GTI (or something like the S1) in my opinion. Anyway, if I don’t like it I know where to send the invoice! :)

[@royalstevep68]

S1 all day long

[@volkswizard]

There is no wrong choice but that is a good one!

[@oldcargeezer]

Well back to back it’s the S1 obviously, as the Audi is a superior car. Although we have an Up GTi. New V used is always an interesting concept, for instance new Boxster or used Cayman? New Cayman or used 911?

[@baileypate9460]

The Audi S1 should be compared with the Polo GTI

[@volkswizard]

Hello Bailey. I suppose you can compare in with the Polo GTI but the Up! GTI is a compact hot hatch benchmark with a really strong following. The Polo GTI doesn't really have such a strong fan base, both amongst the press and owners. The point of the film really is to explore whether the Up's following is strong enough to tempt people away from a used S1 which on paper is a significantly superior car and when 4 years old/40k miles and still in great condition is exactly the same price. Hope you enjoyed it anyway :)

[@baileypate9460]

@@volkswizard oh right thanks for outlining that, it was a great video by the way

[@mattsamuels3607]

Polo GTI does have a good following, we just do o us talking on the track 😉 I've remapped mine with APR stage I and I leave focus sts. Just. Polo GTis are underrated IMO 🤨

[@baileypate9460]

@@mattsamuels3607 They are one of my favourite cars when done up they look spot on

[@yanic9270]

Or golf GTI close to same hp

[@danl4252]

I agree. As a young keen driver I’d love the A1. It seems to be the best all rounder and a bit more of a performer than the UP GTI. However, I currently own a 62 Plate Non turbo up as my first car and I love it, it’s surprisingly quiet and spacious for what it is and decent residuals too. I can see what you mean about small cars being fun and I can imagine with a Turbo it would be a different animal to my 75hp Up, and a great way to enter the world of hot hatchery. Unfortunately I don’t think I’d be able to insure the A1, I got a quote on a MK4 Golf GTI recently and they wanted £6500 with 2 years ncb! I will definitely be considering the UP GTI in the near future in that transition period until I am able to afford another class of hot hatch maybe like the S1. The UP GTI is more obtainable for me as I’m getting quotes of less than £2000 ( age 18)In the meanwhile, let’s hope that teenagers in the UK don’t get hold of the Up GTIs and wrap them up meaning that insurance goes up for fellow petrol heads 😂 Oh and I’m building up my ncb a bit first as you can’t own either of these cars and have a black box!

[@volkswizard]

Hey Dan, non-turbo Up! is still a very respectable first car. It would be a shame if you skipped Up! GTI and went straight to S1 as you'd miss out on a truly special car. Spend some time with an Up! GTI next and when it's time to change hopefully your insurance record will be good enough so you can insure something a little tastier, so much to choose from and most of it is getting more affordable as the days go by!

[@damianwillemsen9224]

Oh the up is a great car, bought a 60hp one when I was 17, now im 21 and i have bought an up TSI (just months after that the gti was released..), tuned it to 140hp/230nm, fitted a milltek, a dump valve etc etc. Most fun is that literally no one has even a clue of how quick the car is, and its much more fun than a stock polo or anything like that.

[@georgehopkins]

I echo your thoughts on the base level Up. I've got a 60hp Seat Mii as a member of my 'fleet', alongside an Audi A6 Avant, an MG ZT and a Mazda MX5, and I still find the Mii a really fun little car to drive, also surprisingly refined on the motorway once it's wound up to speed. I plan on taking it on a mega road trip at some point.

[@simontaylor3211]

Bought my S1 Sportback for my 50th recently and absolutely love it. All along I’d planned to buy a Mark 7 Fiesta ST but love the refinement of the Audi and the exclusivity so changed my mind at the last minute. Just don’t see them on the road but always see an ST. Don’t buy an S1 if you’re looking for economy though. I spend a lot of time at the petrol station.

[@mr_glasgow84]

I really enjoyed this one Andrew. In many ways, much of what you said about the S1 applies to my previous Golf R estate. As great as the Golf R is, the Up makes much more sense to me with my particular requirements in this moment in time. I do miss the speed at times but more often than not, the Up is more than fast enough day to day.

[@douglasb.5601]

Great vid...but you didn't mention the S1's secret standard equipment...a drive select button with adjustable dampers. Economy mode softens the S1 and makes it less fidgety on the M'way. Auto is a pretty good everyday setting...and then dynamic..which opens up the exhaust valve so that it sounds beefy..although the dampers are a little hard for anything other than smooth roads. I loved driving my wife's S1 so much that I ended up selling my Mecan S and buying an S3..which delivers 90% of the fun of the S1 but is a better m'way car and has way better infotainment (the S1's only weak point IMHO). The S1 is just SO much fun..it reminds me of my old 205gti 1.9 in its big engine small car vibe...but less likely to kill you!!😲😁 The Up gti is a great little starter gti..more 106 rallye in its character..but it's still in short pants compared to the S1! 😉

[@timburton1080]

I can't stand my wifes S1, even in eco mode it's crashy and harsh and the super sports seats have no lower back support, not that your back is ever in contact with the seat as you have to lean forward to see past the B pilar at every junction and to see traffic lights. Plus side, it's quick and looks quite cool.

[@douglasb.5601]

Tim Burton That's interesting. I loved my wifes S1 so much that I sold my Mecan S and bought an S3..now that does have quite a harsh ride despite the optional adjustable dampers..it's quite a bit firmer sprung than the S1 though. I agree that finding a comfy seating position in an S1 can take time..my wife has the seat back very upright which does kill the lumbar support. You could try pulling the steering wheel out and getting the seat back more reclined.👍

[@timburton1080]

@@douglasb.5601 Yea i have the wheel full up and out, and I'm sat so far back in the car that the belt isn't actually touching one side of my chest or shoulder. There is a limit to how low you can sit, as the pedals kinda push down like a van rather than towards the engine block. Whereas a 3 series or c class you just jump in and drive.

[@douglasb.5601]

Tim Burton Sorry to hear your struggling to get comfy. I sit as low as the seat goes and have no issue with the pedals (but they are very VW group and I've owned Golfs and Skodas so I may be used to them). I do agree that the seats look better than they feel.

[@timburton1080]

@@douglasb.5601 It's only a really an issue at the moment after I waved goodbye to my 2017 M3, and I'm in a gap between getting my next car, so having to drive the mrs one. The pedals aren't that bad, they certainly not as grabby as they used to be in Audi's 10 years ago, but it's a bit cheap to reuse the auto car's accelerator with a kickdown detent that does nothing.

[@470danadidas]

S1 all the way for me. Mine is red with red air vent collars and looks really cool. However I'm not writing off VWs as I've owned a mk2 Golf GTI and a Corrado 16v which was undoubtedly the best handling car I've driven.

[@Cookstein2]

the boot space on the S1 will be effected by the battery but also the fact its got all the Haldex 4x4 gubbins beneath floor that needs to be accommodated

[@volkswizard]

Hi Alex, yes indeed. I did allude to that but I wasn't 100% sure at the time of filming as on some TTs the 4x4 doesn't actually affect the boot floor which has the same luggage capacity as the 2WD version. So I am still not sure if the small capacity is simply due to the fact that you can't drop the boot carpet to the lower position like you can on a normal A1 or if the boot floor is raised - I suspect a combination of both.

[@Cookstein2]

@@volkswizard yeah sorry, I stopped the video just after you mentioned the battery being a reason and thought I'd mention the Haldex. Obviously I then resumed playing and you mentioned it :) Sorry

[@volkswizard]

No problem, it's worth mentioning again :)

[@resnonverba137]

Up! GTI with a 3/4 year warranty makes infinite more sense than the S1. The Up! is a great little car in all its forms.

[@dconcars]

No it doesn't you can pick up a used S1 with the same amount of warranty

[@chubbybrown4real]

plus you can insure the up for £133 a year. The S1 won't be so kind,The A1 we have 1.0 one is a bit more. lovely colour on A1 though reminds us of our old nugget yellow corrado

[@volkswizard]

Thanks for the insurance info, Audis are always clobbered due to the theft risk and the cost of repairs but for some, particularly lower risk/lower premium drivers it might be worth it. Yes the colour really makes the car though without the contrast bits (roof and wheels mainly) it wouldn't look so good. Ahh Corrado nugget yellow, what a car..

[@royalstevep68]

Agreed rear seat space in the s1 is really tight, either they should’ve made the s1 slightly longer or gone front wheel drive

[@volkswizard]

Front wheel drive Audi S model would be a bit odd plus quattro means a lot to them but I agree, that would make for a better car especially if it had the VAQ front differential of the Golf GTI Performance / Leon Cupra which is like quattro across the front wheels - the new Polo GTI doesn't get that but they start at £20k so with a potential £28k starting price for the next S1 if it ever happens, just think about what you could do to a Polo GTI with that budget!

[@melvyncox3361]

Great video,and an interesting comparison between two hot hatches.l have an Audi A2 1.4 75bhp diesel,and it's an absolute hoot to drive.Could do with stronger anti-roll bars though.Very light indeed,as is your Up!

[@volkswizard]

Hi Melvyn, thanks for commenting. The A2 is a very special car and one I want to spend more time with. I've sold a couple i think but that was a while ago. They are cool because they are so different and weren't popular with the masses which makes them popular with me! Can't believe how cheap they are too but not for much longer I bet!

[@chriskelvin248]

The S1 is the neatest looking hot hatch ever

[@volkswizard]

Can't argue with that Chris although they don't all look as good as this one :)

[@marfrandema1884]

Its a meh but the 3 doors thank to the awd is on another level

[@paullockwood7219]

Great video Andrew. I was looking at the usaual Hyper Hatch lot last week, ( A45, RS3,) then i looked at what was on offer for the money with the BMW M140i, and that made perfect sense, being tied down with kids and a heavy morgage, as I doubt I could cope with the servicing costs. The Up! GTI would probably work for me as a daily too.

[@volkswizard]

I can see the appeal of M140i, it's incredibly good value compared to both those cars and I'd have it over an A45 all day long but with twiin turbo 3.0 straight six, definitely room for an Up! GTI to fit in beneath it :)

[@g__e__o]

The S1 is a nice car. I think it is much better than the up! in all aspects but the interior space. I use to drive one and I dreaded it's small interior space. I really felt cramped inside of it.

[@douglasb.5601]

g e o I am always amazed how roomy the car is in the front..I'm a 13stone 5ft11 inch guy..yes it's a bit 'cosy' in the back...but I'd stand it for an hour. I love the footprint of the car, it's ideal for threading down rural lanes...defo a car made for UK backroads!👍

[@paulwilkinson3963]

Its not really in the same league

[@rare6499]

Always been tempted by an S1. Especially as a piggy back ECU can get you near 300bhp which is pretty mega in such a small car with Quattro. The only thing that’s put me off is the ride and lots of reports regards the clutch being made of spreadable cheese.

[@volkswizard]

Hi Josh, yes clutch is not good but if you are going to change it you may as well fit an uprated version by Sachs and have your 300 hp but it felt plenty fast to me with the 230 PS for a small car. The ride will be fine on 17s - I didn't realise it had adjustable dampers but don't think it would be softer than in the Auto mode in which it was tested when it was just about OK on the 18s in my opinion (and I don't like a hard ride) www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/s1/ride

[@rare6499]

volkswizard true, I’m sure it goes very well with the stock engine. These things are just so easy to get more hp out of I’m not sure I could restrain myself!

[@chrismlarge1]

I looked at a S1 before getting a AW Polo GTI, I wanted the S1 but sadly the lack of rear space killed it for me.

[@harrym711]

I just wen from an older up! Black edition to a gti. I'm 21 and it's litraly the perfect car for me. And for the price don't think there is much better on the market for a new car. I've done the festival runs in my old up. Stuck my drum kit in the back with room to spare, there's not much you can't do. +it's hilarious to drive.

[@volkswizard]

Nice one Harry, glad it fits in with your lifestyle so well and you are enjoying it so much, that turbo makes a huge difference. Also makes me realise how broad the appeal from 21 year olds like you to old farts like me and @keith morris , fun is timeless I suppose :)

[@harrym711]

@@volkswizard yah, my sails guy at vw said he could pick from any car in their fleet. He chose the up gti, 😂. Says a lot about it.

[@jimjamthebananaman1]

The Audi S1 is on a different league from the UP GTI but the UP GTI is a bear in disguise. Cool as fuck in my opinion

[@sidrens5292]

Very odd choice to compare to an Up!The S1 is far superior in every aspect!!! Great video and presentation however 👏🏼

[@andrethomas7075]

Unless the S1 is a dog, preowned by some early 20s, way too old to know better boy racer (we’ve all seen the type), I’d opt for a brand new VW Up!. However a nice unmolested previous careful owner S1 would be my primary choice over any small hatchback currently on sale.

[@volkswizard]

That's always a risk Andre. Most first owner cars will end up at dealers not sold privately so you'll never know especially now data protection means no previous owner is shown in the V5 any longer.

[@sunsetgarage755]

This is a lovely little video comparing 2 cars that are absolutely nothing like each other in price, performance, size etc. We didn’t get Up! GTI in Australia, but the base version we did get is pretty slow & not very appealing for anything other than economy. For a similar price to an Up! here, I’d prefer a 6sp manual A1 3dr with the single turbo 1.4 which is more comparable in performance.

[@justinevans1894]

Nice video Andrew, S1 for me please. The oversteer incident surprised me a lot, i cant quite figure out how that happened with a 4WD car with, presumably, front bias

[@volkswizard]

Ignore the driven wheels, it was more like lift off over steer which you can do on any car regardless of how the wheels are driven. But it still suggests an inherently neutral balance. There were times when accelerating up a wet slip road under full throttle you can feel the back doing something. Don't forget it's got a short wheelbase too so is a little bit less stable that a Golf R, narrower between the wheels (track) too so it generally feels a lot less tied down which is fine by me. These cars come alive now the roads are greasy, I bet your R would surprise you if you pushed the limits - only problem is the limits are higher which makes it harder to tease.

[@douglasb.5601]

Yep, I own an S3 and my wife has a yellow S1 very similar to the car shown. The S3 is a bit quicker and feels more stable at high speed, however, the S1 is more compliant and more engaging. I've had the back of the S3 push out in dynamic mode but always found the S1 very neutral...unless you provoke the back round with a bit of lift off! 👍🏻😁 S1 is my favourite for a fun drive out.😎

[@malcolmscott4150]

Love the UP GTI and its daily friendliness - S1 when we'll specced is lovely also - tough choice - great content cheers

[@volkswizard]

Thanks Malcolm, they are both intriguing cars that don't have much in the way of rivals and in both cases we are lucky the VW Group were brave enough to push the button on them.

[@381jot]

I have an Audi S1 and a Lupo GTI and they are both great fun cars for very different reasons. There will be no new S1 by the way, all new A1s are to be 5 door and FWD.

[@peterlewis3540]

The S1 is a great car, but is overshadowed by the very desirable limited production A1 Quattro. I used to own a Quattro, but was tempted to sell it, two years ago, as the offer was simply too good to turn down. I certainly miss it, but I was afraid to park it anywhere, because of the attention it received from curious people. To cut the story short, I've now bought a new Pure White 3 dr Up Gti, as it offers bags of fun, for realistic money, and unlike the old model Audi A1, including the S1, the Up remains an elusive car on British roads.

[@munirshafi2647]

I notice that your UP Gti sounds more refined and quieter at speed.

[@volkswizard]

Yes Munir, I'm glad the audio is that good! The S1 is quite noisy in the cabin due to low profile tyres (35 section on this car).

[@douglasb.5601]

Did you have it stuck in dynamic mode?..as the engine is quite a bit louder in this mode...and the ride quite a bit stiffer.

[@ashliehiggins]

i'd have to go S1, it's just more unusual, than an UP! GTI.

[@volkswizard]

Hi ashlie, thanks for commenting. I like unusual too, both cars are slightly odd choices but I reckon once Up! GTI deliveries catch up, they will be a lot more common while very S1 is already out there and they are a far from common site so will always be rarer.

[@sparkford04]

Similar to my replacement , much higher spec car arriving Feb/Mar 2019 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZeniXuZaL5jq9k Note! the centre console buttons, 2 next to 12v charger socket - not on standard UK cars. Why not?

[@volkswizard]

Keep up Keith! In their finite wisdom VW bundled auto lights with emergency city braking (front assist) and that button is to turn it off and on - some people saw this in videos when the car was launched and thought it might be a TC off/on button but sadly it's not :(

[@sparkford04]

@@volkswizard Oh! bugger, that's the problem with waiting 5 months plus and taking my eye off the offers / changes. hope that means I get a further discount? I would like a freebie alloy spare thrown in & a.TC ON/OFF button. I am on here mainly early morning Andrew ,after a hard day/ night yesterday.

[@volkswizard]

They don't give you the front assist and auto lights for free last time I looked unless things have changed. The annoying thing about TC is that the software seems to have the functionality to be switched on and off as I proved with VCDS. I think best option is better tyres as the less slip the less TC intervention there will be, question is which tyres? Someone needs to do a proper tyre test specifically for Up! GTI.

[@sebastianb5036]

Uh - right hand drive cars have their dead pedal / footrest on the right side? Doesn't that make it useless? Where do you put your left foot? How do you remain seated while cornering?

[@ianchambers2731]

What a pity VW never went through with a 4WD Polo R on that S1 platform - they'd have sold a sackload on the back of their, at the time, unstoppable WRC success. I know I'd have bought one!

[@volkswizard]

Hi Ian, when I said in the video the S1 was the only car on the platform to be AWD, Poio WRC was going through my head as I wasn't sure it was front wheel drive but my gut instinct was correct luckily (I wasn't sure until I saw your comment!). This Autocar review suggested it pre-dated the S1 and came out at the same time as the A1 quattro limited edition. It's typical VW to produce a WRC inspired limited edition and then deny it AWD because it would make it too expensive! www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/polo/first-drives/volkswagen-polo-r-wrc-first-drive-review

[@ianchambers2731]

@@volkswizard Yes the WRC version of the Polo came before and wasn't that interesting. Just some stickers and a limited run really. An AWD Polo R was much talked about in the press after the S1 and it was even suggested VW built a test car and were getting it ready....but it never happened

[@ianchambers2731]

@@volkswizard I knew I hadn't imagined it. What a Polo this would've been.... www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/polo/85376/volkswagen-polo-r-250bhp-4wd-prototype-driven

[@sparkford04]

@@ianchambers2731 Totally agree!!

[@volkswizard]

@@ianchambers2731 Interesting stuff. Maybe the new Polo will get the AWD R and the S1 won't happen this time around? That was 18 months before Dieselgate kicked off IIRC so you can't blame that for this change if plans this time.

[@chrismc1977]

That black bootlid wrap on the S1 is awful. The competition models get the bigger wheels & look more squat- but the rear 1/4 & bootlid decals they also have are just hideous. Rear end looks too black with the windows being tinted

[@morganwatkins5339]

That’s like comparing a bic lighter to a toaster

[@candyman3108]

Well... I now see that my country is in deep shit. In Croatia, if you are able to find a used Audi S1 for 25-26k €, you are considered to be lucky AF. On our nationwide web page for car ads, currently there are 2 VW Up GTI's for around 15-16k € which is okay but a bit to expensive, but If I was in the GB, i'd buy the S1 over the UP GTI anyday because the depreciation will hit the VW waaay harder than it had hit the Audi. And Audi is faster with better options, build quality and refinement.

[@volkswizard]

Thanks for making a very informative comment, I'd rather be in Croatia with an Up! GTI than be in the UK with an S1 but that's just me :)

[@candyman3108]

@@volkswizard Really? If I may ask,why so? I've driven the UP! GTI and it's quite fun but IMHO it's a bit overpriced considering the whole package you get. Even the Twingo RS is not a good "bang for the buck". However, I still did not have the chance to drive the S1, but how bad could it be? A well-proven 2.0 litre VAG engine with loads of torque on paper, sounds tempting and fun!

[@volkswizard]

@@candyman3108 it's not so much to do with the cars but how beautiful Croatia is :) Back to the cars though and the Up! GTI is cheaper in the UK for some reason than mainland Europe so it's seen as exceptionally good value and had a 12 month waiting list when it was launched. The Twingo RS has had really poor reviews here, the Up! GTI has been much better received.

[@candyman3108]

@@volkswizard Thanks, buddy. It really is beautiful! Well, in that case, I get your point. Although, I would like to point out that I reckon that all the A segment warm hatches are pointless to me, just because of the amount of money they cost here in Croatia. Love your work, man, keep it up! :)

[@volkswizard]

Thanks Juraj, you are very kind :)

[@audirs142]

Audi S1 you have to be mental to choose an UP Gti.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420]

I did and I'm not mental.

[@KGDHMF]

I think this is a fair and unfair comparison. Fair because its in the same price range plus more hp and torque. Unfair because of insurance costs and maintenance.

[@volkswizard]

Hey ridow300, thanks for commenting. With regards to insurance and maintenance costs, the lower depreciation of a £15k S1 should cover some if not all of this as I think the Up! GTI will lose more money than the S1 as it's a brand new car so the minute you drive it out of the showroom a significant chunk evaporates. Hence my reference to the total cost of ownership which includes depreciation. Obviously insurance costs will depend on age/location/driving history so the difference between S1 and Up! GTI will depend on who's trying to insure it. And you can save money on servicing the S1 by using a specialist as it's out of warranty, while not essential it's probably wise to use a main dealer for the first 3 years with an Up! GTI.

[@stevesje71]

Interesting review I read this week in that the Skoda Citygo beat the up in virtually every area. Surprised at that

[@volkswizard]

Is that against a non-GTI Up!? If so I can believe it although how they differ apart from price is beyond me and the Skoda badge will always be an obstacle for some and VW badge worth paying extra for. If you are a stylish city living Londoner like made in Chelsea types, you'd never be seen dead in a Skoda but an Up! (especially GTI) still cuts a dash.

[@calvinchann1996]

My Up GTI has been built, just waiting for delivery now. Oh, and I have to pay for it, of course.

[@volkswizard]

How long have you been waiting Calvin?

[@JackPriddle]

Great video.. Is that a Revo sticker I see on the back of the UP!?

[@volkswizard]

No chance, why would I want to have even more traction control fun blocking?! Drop the R and you've got it though ;)

[@JackPriddle]

@@volkswizard ahh I've just rewatched the video now I see Evo haha

[@utb8536]

very nice video! what about consumption for those cars if you can tell us..

[@volkswizard]

Very roughly in real world use I'd say 30 mpg S1 45 mpg Up! GTI. Up! doesn't like motorways speeds but otherwise will do 50 plus even around town if you keep moving. Have seen over 70 mpg in the summer, 60+ not unusual but think my average with a short urban commute is high 40s. Not bad considering fun factor and no diesel fumes.

[@douglasb.5601]

Over A/B roads the S1 delivers about 34mpg on average. If you do a lot of town work it will drop to 30 'ish. Compared to my DSG S3 the S1 averages around 3mpg more for the same journey..but the S3's 7th gear gives it about 3mpg better economy on the motorway. The S3 can be caught more off boost than the S1 which always seems 'over-engined' and eager..partly due to the higher final drive.👍🏻

[@petersothern2909]

you should always buy a car between 12 and 18mths old. it's cheaper and most of the faults have been ironed out

[@volkswizard]

Hi Peter, do you mean by a used car when it's 12-18 months old or wait 12-18 months after a new model is launched? Both are probably a good idea though my early Up! has (touch wood) been faultless, the depreciation is unavoidable though but worth it :)

[@chrisredfield3240]

If your talking used you could almost get any car you want for £15k even an A6 s-line avant maybe even an R32

[@gtlegacy8]

or you could get a S2k, S15, focus RS, Sti, Golf GTI. Why waste on a new Up!

[@volkswizard]

It's a fun car that's cheap to insure, amazing on fuel, easy to park, has a 3 year warranty - I could go on. It's not perfect for everyone but for people who want an interesting daily to keep the miles off a special weekend car it's spot on and for younger drivers looking for an affordable, inspiring car with good build quality (generally) and low monthly payments, it's the perfect primer to the world of performance cars that may eventually lead to ownership of the cars you mention. i couldn't daily an S2000 because it would have been wrapped around a lamp post by now, not sure what an S15 is, Focus RS would have been stolen (no joke), STI Impreza? Very poor mpg and image isn't 'me'. Golf GTI? Newer ones are too nickable round my way and too big too get in my garage easily. Plus I rarely carry more than 1 passenger so all that bulk is pointless, they feel like a big car on tight urban roads or narrow country lanes. Mk6 is narrower but Edition 35 is terrible on fuel, normal GTI is definitely an option though.

[@Fluxxyys]

@@volkswizard yeah but the up has minimum tuning options, 3 cylinder? would go boom being mapped too high. S1 is a no brainer

[@Airano]

Dont get it why these two are being compared. The S1 is bigger in size. Almost tiwce the price an more than twice the power. And not even avaiable for order anymore due to the realese of the new model. Compare it to the Opel/Vauxhaul Adam. That would be fun. Same size. Same prize class. Even power levels on eye hight.

[@volkswizard]

The point of the video is that you can buy a new Up! GTI for £15k or a used S1 for £15k, simple as that. There are many S1s for sale used for that kind of price. One of the most popular car magazines in the world 'CAR' run a feature comparing new cars vs superior used cars so it's a tried and tested formula.

[@paulw5822]

I'm late, but I would have happily given you £15k for the S1..... the asking price was considerably more?

[@volkswizard]

Hi P. The car shown was 24k miles, you need to be looking at 40k for £15k. Plus I did say that for £15k a lot of the options the car in the video had might be missing but you might get lucky. This one looks decent: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810221719742?make=AUDI%26model=S1%26Email_a_Friend%26Email%26Email_a_friend_car

[@chrisredfield3240]

£508.09p a month and a £1000 deposit and 4 year old car could be yours...

[@welshy8216]

Can't be many of those S1's around.. I've not seen one..

[@volkswizard]

You'd probably miss one as the standard car is very S line to look at it. Mr JWW had one on his channel for a couple of years as it was Mrs JWW's, worth a look.

[@welshy8216]

Well i've never come up behind 1, that's for sure. wouldn't miss those exhaust pipes..

[@jimjamthebananaman1]

Quite common actually. They're very similar to the S-line

[@welshy8216]

Can't be popular in north wales, still not seen one

[@TimMSUK]

Lifts off and adds more steering on a damp roundabout "inadvertently"

[@volkswizard]

Hi Tim, thanks for commenting. It was indeed inadvertent because I was hoping to feel the car driving from the rear but had to lift off before I got to that bit because the van had pulled out in front of me. I'd never expect an Audi to lift off oversteer, that's pretty unheard of and came as a bit of a shock!

[@PM-oo4pv]

I love the comment “traction control .... blah blah....always interfering with driving pleasure ... blah blah” and then you lose control on a roundabout at 20 mph. That’s what traction control is for. I’d rather have traction control “spoil my enjoyment” and save me from 1000s of pounds of damage or, worse, killing a cyclist/pedestrian. But, respect for showing us the roundabout incident! Most people would have kept that to themselves. I’m enjoying your videos.

[@lbottrill9097]

Enjoying these Volkswizard videos, Andrew. Keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@volkswizard]

Thanks Lee! I quite enjoyed making this one. If it falls into place Mk6 R DSG vs Mk7 R DSG might be the next one, a Christmas special ;)

[@callumgray1437]

Great review and comparison, but I'm pretty sure Audi have said there won't be another s1 which is a shame.

[@volkswizard]

Hi Callum? No new S1? I haven't heard that but I haven't really looked. That would be odd as there is an SQ2 coming but maybe a hot SUV makes more sense to the accountants at Audi now even though dynamically they are a bit of an oxymoron (heavy and tall isn't the best basis for a dynamic car but it's just pose value for many). The new A1 has launched with a 200 PS version which sounds like a good start but with no AWD it's not so unique as the old S1. Darn it, I was hoping for a 300 PS + RS1 as well!

[@callumgray1437]

@@volkswizard Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've seen a few people mention on facebook that the production cost would be to high to warrant a new model.

[@volkswizard]

Interesting. I guess it all depends how many cars on that platform will be AWD. Maybe they can do an Allroad A1?! And if a Polo R is coming (no idea) that will be AWD. Looking back at when cars like this have been introduced in the last, VW/Audi tended to invest a lot getting the first car (e.g. R32) on sale and testing the water. Then bring it into the range much earlier with the next generation car often losing a lot of the first car's skunkworks appeal along the way but selling lots more now the model is established in the range. It would be a shame but things aren't the same after dieselgate and a lot of e-mobility development work will be taking the place of niche cars like the S1 potentially.

[@sparkford04]

From day one of launch in the UK,it was vastly overpriced ,it's major failing imo of Audi Sales & Marketing £25000, for starters 4 years ago , a very good spec was nearly the price of a Golf R mk7. They really missed a trick here by being far too greedy, volume sales were rubbish. How many of these were actually sold new to customers in UK, probably more sold as demo /pre registered in the UK. I'm feel sure a similar fait will meet the next generation S1 unfortunately.

[@volkswizard]

Thing is Keith, it's no longer about RRP but how much it costs per month and at 4-5 years with over 50% residual at 40k miles that is pretty good going making leasing/PCP costs less. I guess that could be due to their relative rareness, even if it's affordable on a monthly basis it will never be a big seller as it's too small for many people's needs. Part of the of the cost must be due it the development work involved in making the S1 the only PQ25 chassis to have AWD, very unusual for a mass producer like VWG! Limited edition A1 quattro was £41000 and LHD only and technically very similar so £25k must have seemed cheap in comparison when S1 was launched. www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/a1/first-drives/audi-a1-quattro

[@sparkford04]

Andrew. Guess Audi are shifting stock now in preparation for the replacement, by discounting and better PCP offering to limited new buyers . Has this S1 model now been stopped in production, if not when ?

[@volkswizard]

I think it stopped a while ago. There hasn't been one on the press fleet for ages. Latest customer car I've seen a 2017/17 and it was a Competition model with some suspect stripes on the side.

[@sparkford04]

@@volkswizard I wonder how many New cars are still in UK stock or are they converted in the management pool, might be some give away sales, like BMW have been doing with the M140i over the last year before their 2lt 4 pot replacement is launched .

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

S1 very expensive for what it is.... Not to mention a bit feminine. For 15k you could quite easily get a used m135i... Leagues above these.

[@volkswizard]

For £15k there are lots of other choices (Mk7 GTI, Mk6 Golf R, Scirocco R, 8P Audi S3) but it's the compact nature of these cars that appeals to me. New cars, Mk7 Golf in particular are huge and while they are great to drive they are too refined for there own good. I appreciate a 135i is good drivers car but it's no way near as cool as these 2 cars as they are everywhere and they look quite plain from the outside. They are a big car but not hugely big inside, rear legroom and boot is tight for the size of car plus running costs are high as they have a big V6 engine, insurance will be hefty and at £15k they will be getting on so repairs will be likely. Also the rear wheel drive handling might be revered by motoring journalists but can't really be enjoyed on the road but when it snows they are the safest car out there as they don't actually move :)

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

@@volkswizardfair points. I appreciate why the Up! Is appealing especially if in somewhere very dense like London it's probably a great car to have.

[@volkswizard]

Doh! Thanks - my excuse is I'd just woken up (and I don't do BMWs!)

[@fatwalletboy2]

Yellow interior highlights are horri.

[@volkswizard]

Hey fatwalletboy2, it's not expensive to remove them and repaint in glossy black or whatever colour. They were an option but these were done by the owner to look OEM. Thanks for commenting :)

[@jayrave4]

Warrantywise are absolute cowboys and will wriggle out of most claims - steer well clear of them! Stick with a well-known brand when it comes to warranties; people like the AA are more expensive but at least they’re likely to pay out.

[@volkswizard]

I'd love to know what happened as I've heard nothing but good things about them and I spend a lot of money with them. Some dealers will issue policies using Warranty Wise's lowest level of cover and not pay extra for the bits that they should do but that's a dealer issue not a WW one. If the T&C say they cover something there should be no argument but if the dealer issues you an unsuitable policy and says "it covers everything" then that's going to cause dissatisfaction. If you want to email me it's andrew at volkswizard dot co dot uk Thanks 👍

[@jayrave4]

volkswizard the many one star Google reviews will tell you all that you need to know about them! I hear what you’re saying about dealers overstating what WW’s basic level of warranty actually covers, but I’d be interested to know exactly how many claims have been paid out at this level - if any. This to me is just used as an introduction so they can try to upsell you higher levels of cover. Even so, I have spoken to a number of people now with the highest level of warranty that have had expensive claims rejected on the grounds of wear and tear, even with written statements to the contrary from the investigating garage. As you can probably tell, I’ve had my fingers well and truly burned by them, as have many (many) others.

[@volkswizard]

Are these policies bought by owners of cars or supplied by dealers when purchased mainly? Without knowing the facts it's hard to make a concrete conclusion but most warranties do not cover wear and tear (though some WW ones do). Another common thing is that dealers sell a car with a know fault and expect the warranty company to fix the problem for them which isn't right. Likewise owners will buy a warranty after their car has developed a fault and try and claim which again is wrong. I'd be very surprised if WW reject a claim that their terms and conditions say will be covered as that's illegal and they could be taken to court? So surely it's just a question of reading the T&Cs and knowing what cover you have got? I'm not sticking up for them for any reason other than I spend my own money on them (£1000s per year) and I've never had any complaints - ultimately if the warranty doesn't cover a repair then it will come back to me legally and so far none have. But as I said I'm prepared to be educated about them but need to know the facts before drawing conclusions as often there are 2 side to every story :)

[@CarlWeakAss7]

Wish I could trade my S4 for a S1.

[@CarlWeakAss7]

For a rs1*

[@volkswizard]

RS1 would be good, need an S1 first though and not heard one's definite yet.

[@darrencottrell5541]

A shame to see your up! for sale Andrew, great publicity you have given this fabulous little car over the many months of pre and post ownership.

[@volkswizard]

Hi Darren, if I can afford to keep it I will but my business is very cash hungry and when trying to grow it, the funds from the Up! will be useful especially when the car will no longer suit my needs when I move out of the city and my commute gets longer and faster. Apart from a much valued subscriber base on here and social media generally I've gained nothing from promoting the Up! GTI (I don't even think Volkswagen UK appreciate it as I started off by getting a test car 3 weeks before they made them available to the UK motoring press back in January which I don't think went down well). I had a brilliant cross country drive in it yesterday driving back from the Cotswolds in the dark with minimal traffic on some back roads and still got 50 mpg +!

[@darrencottrell5541]

I can fully understand your dilemma Andrew. Hopefully the finances come good and you can hold onto your nicely specced up! for weekend fun. We own two high up! TSIs, my honey yellow being very well equipped. I love the lightweight and back to basics nature of the car and the 3 pot turbo is a joy. I'm so hooked I've taken a hit on my TSI and should have a 5 door GTI on my drive in the next few weeks. VW have made a cracking affordable little car that is well rounded, the GTI being a very desirable package. VW might not have appreciated your efforts in marketing the car, but many do. I've followed every video with interest. Hope to see you pop back onto the forum from time to time.

[@mittyahmed7362]

S1 vs polo gti+

[@jayrave4]

The start reminds me of the old ‘Police Stop’ videos 😂. Awesome video 👍

[@volkswizard]

Hey Jayco, I will take that as a compliment, that was good TV back in the day. 😂 Glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@juanlopez-rk2be]

Estas comparando distintas gamas de auto

[@volkswizard]

si juan, pero ambos tienen el mismo precio

[@juanlopez-rk2be]

@@volkswizard aca en argentina el a1 0km vale 30000 dolares, y un up tsi vale 12000 dolares.

[@alexb2612]

S1 all day long.

[@neokgatla]

They both have manual transmissions!

[@volkswizard]

Hey Neo, yes indeed. S tronic in the S1 would have been insane but I think the extra 50kg would have really affected such a small car. The ASG that other Up! models get is not a very impressive gearbox as it's very s l o w so not suitable for a GTI. Both work really well with manuals though there are reports of clutch failure of S1 at quite low mileages but that's in part to do to it being so brilliant to thrash mercilessly!

[@KGDHMF]

and also , the like and dislike ratio is disabled.

[@volkswizard]

just fixed as you were typing!

[@shawnschneider9676]

That`s not even a question

[@volkswizard]

Why not?

[@shawnschneider9676]

@@volkswizard Fwd vs awd, 115hp vs 230hp plus the Audi's parts are far superiour in quality plus the up looks like a mashed potato next to the S1

[@davidmorgan2409]

Great review.

[@supertiger2898]

Ba humbug,. I'll stick with my ford escort

[@CJax749]

Their not even in the same league😂

[@guccigoldberg5303]

But a used up would be even cheaper

[@volkswizard]

Yes but they've all been crashed and repaired because of the tyres :)

[@davidwall5581]

Golf 920am won a wee

[@minefla_00]

Audi S1 +25K in Italy :(

[@LorenzoClara97]

Si portano via sotto i 19

[@minefla_00]

@@LorenzoClara97 con 150.000 e senza optional che a culo trovi la vernice

[@LorenzoClara97]

@@minefla_00 non guardare su subito, cerca sui gruppi fb. 18/19 é il prezzo giusto per una tenuta bene tagliandata massimo 80mila km

[@g_webb21]

Ne ho viste a 21k con meno di 50k km, é una cifra discretamente accessibile

[@brunoserrano1739]

They are not even close to each other.... you are comparing a Audi A3 with a VW Polo is the same....

[@volkswizard]

Hi Bruno. The video compares to cars that are £15k in UK (used S1, new Up! GTI). The point of the video is therefore to see if the lots of people that have bought an Up! GTI might be tempted by an older car that is a similar size yet a lot faster and more prestigious. Can the Up! hold its own and still be the rational choice?

[@brunoserrano1739]

@@volkswizard i understand sir, but why people think twice to buy a UP insteed a A1, i know you have one i saw you video buying one , but thats your choice

[@volkswizard]

The S1/A1 is narrower across the mirrors and has a smaller boot than an Up! - I don't think that's true of A3 vs Polo

[@ABQ87]

Buddy, I gave you a thumbs up anyway but how can you even compare the brilliant S1 with this fake GTI! 😡

[@volkswizard]

Hi Que Alpha, thanks for commenting. What does GTI really mean? I could argue the Up! is closer to the original GTI concept than the heavy, gadget laden models further up the range (but I won't!) and the value for money (£14005 basic) is hard to beat. They are both worthy cars for enthusiast drivers which is what matters to me and if you've never driven an Up! GTI it's hard to appreciate how good they are to drive and it's great to have this choice at £15k, long may these models survive in their respective ranges!

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420]

You can't have drive one if you think it's just a tarted up standard car.

[@pk-zx2vb]

No arm rest and hard plastic on the door rest!!!?? So where do you put your arms on the motorway cruise!? Sorry but thats💩SHIT💩 IT'S not cheap the Gti and arm rest and soft touch plastic for your right hand its minimum...

[@pteamg]

??

[@Spike0000]

1st....RRRRRRRROOOOARRRR!!!!....

[@volkswizard]

Well done Just Sum Guy for getting first comment! Appreciate your support, hope you enjoy the vid :)