Used Hellcat Hunting: Bad Superchargers and Bad “Sales”

[@mikebythesun]

One thing to add: in this video I reference a 2015 Hellcat with 275 miles that was listed for $50k in Charlotte. As I’m writing this (March 4 18) there is a torred Hellcat in Garner N.C. at Capital Dodge with 300+ miles going for the same price. If you like torred and a back satin hood, get on it!

[@Dialysisforever]

275 miles. They probably got thrown in jail for speeding and Mommy sold it.

[@alanzolotoff6014]

mikebythesun hey mike, I have a 2015 Sublime hellcat that I ordered new. I haven’t had any supercharger problems. I heard you say they will change the bearings under warranty. Now I’m afraid my bearings will go out after warranty. Are you sure they would change them since I’ve had no problems ? You have great videos I’ve learned a lot, thanks 👍🏽

[@TeW33zy]

Dude you asking for to much Aint nobody finna swap out your damn rims period and all that extra shit u saying. Its either you want it or you dont keep it moving. But your not finna come here making all these damn demands and you aint shown me a dollar yet all youve shown is that you can run your damn mouth.

[@Davido50]

mikebythesun I'm a Mustang guy! No ricers no Dodge's. Ever.

[@jondoe5290]

Do not ever buy from capital in NC. We drove over 5hrs after making a deal over the phone only to have our sales rep. run out the back door and leave with no explanation. They hiked the financing price over 8% on us and gave us a higher price than what we agreed on. I'm pretty sure they sold the vehicle while we was driving to the lot but again ,no explanation was given. Was refused to speak with the manager. Contacted the manager over the phone and by email and never got a response. They lied to us several times and basically told us since we drove so far we would either have to pay their new price or do without. We bought the same vehicle, 1 year newer the next day at another dealership and saved over $7000. To this day have not herd from capital. Great CS LMAO!

[@allentraylor5659]

Why would you guys give a"thumbs-down" to a guy who's taking his own time to educate , would-be victims ?????? I Don't understand your logic.... Smh.

[@thomaswilkinson6276]

I cannot begin to count the number of KZbin vids I have viewed where owners or prospective buyers jump in a turbo or supercharged car and beam as they boast about a "cold start" and mindlessly revel in revving this cold powerplant to produce the juvenile excitement of loud, angry exhaust noise. It does not take a mechanical engineer to appreciate the fact that although oil will circulate to all engine parts within 3-4 seconds and cold viscosity is thinner in multi-grades, the destruction comes from thermal equalization between the differing metals of internal components. A supercharger with an aluminum housing and hardened steel bearing surfaces and drive shafts will expand and contract at vastly different rates during warm up and cool-down. The proven method to insure safe warm up to prolong component life is to start car, let idle with foot off gas pedal for 5-10 seconds, put it in gear and drive moderately keeping RPMs low for 3-5 miles before subjecting the vehicle to high RPM and engine loads.. This is the fastest way to equally warm all internal engine components, thus reducing engine wear and prolonging life of same. If a performance car sits on a dealer lot for more than a few months, it is likely started and revved by hundreds of people, left to idle without ever being driven to equalize temperature. This defines the term "lot-rot" and steals many thousands of miles from the life-span of components. In buying a high performance car from a dealer or private party, always let the owner start the car and drive first. Observe his regimen. If this seller races the motor or subjects the car to high loads from a cold start within 5 miles, walk away at any price unless you are prepared for the expense of failures. It takes a certain personality to own and drive a car with over 400HP and this type of personality is not generally associated with patience and reserve. No amount of service or maintenance can overcome the damage to an automobile caused by careless operation by a bad driver.

[@komahoby]

Good points! I never thought of it that way.

[@akustaka]

I read it, and how is he an asshole for explaining general thermal dynamics of vehicle function on a youtube video that is talking about failing vehicle components due to either poor manufacturing, or careless use by the owners..? I thought it was rather informative and a good read, maybe you should give peoples statements a chance before being a juvenile child and pointlessly attacking someone when you didn't even read what they posted..

[@ProPaintballplaye]

You should have read it, you could have learned just how moronic you are dull nut! Great tips Thomas! I do the same for motorcycles.

[@pdmustgtd1013]

Actually you should wait in tell coolant temp is up 150

[@theejoeylee]

Very well put together explanation & advice !

[@MarkJackson-ok2qm]

dont buy a lime green one in vegas....

[@chadhaire1711]

wake me up when he gets to the damn point.

[@---ml4jd]

that is the style of his channel, i actually enjoy it this way.. feels like we are buddies haning out...

[@billyowen6672]

Food for thought. In 2016 Dodge mass produced Hellcats. If I remember correctly they had a lease deal with 3k down 599 a month. I'm pretty sure there will be a shit load hitting the market very soon!

[@mikebythesun]

Billy Owen Yes indeed. 2016 was by far the biggest year, and its single biggest reason why the prices are dropping. As these come off lease, there will be MANY choices for those of us interested in buying used. Therefore I’m in no rush at all. Time will allow anyone to get the options they want for the price they want (within reason of course).

[@billyowen6672]

mikebythesun If you give it time I'm willing to bet you will find what you want with the options you want. Travel may be involved but in your case is it worth having that. I know if I was spending that much I'm paying for exactly what I want. However much easier said then done.

[@Davido50]

Billy Owen thats real talk brah. Truth. What about Mustang Shelby Cobras? Never lease deals never no discounts? Why why?

[@dodgeguyz]

Billy Owen And every one will have been to an inch of its life!

[@TheKevinhaeb]

I lucked out on a new fully loaded 2016 manual car at $532 a month with 0 down. Dealership closed a month or two after I bought it and they wanted everything gone. I don't think I'll ever get that lucky again.

[@Vision42_]

Bro thank you for this vid cause you hit alot of golden nuggets on what to look for in a used purchase Thanks man.

[@Sturrmm]

I wouldn't buy anything from a dealership that treats a $50k plus car like that. Who knows what else might be wrong.

[@therealnickd3011]

I like the way you handle business man. I’m only 20 but I’m learning from your experience

[@EddieStixx]

Nick _D LOL ur learning from a sleazeball.

[@shotokanslammer1]

You’re going to see them under $40k but with 4+ owners without any warranty and needing new rotors and pads, clutches and driveshafts right away. Like the GTR, wouldn’t touch those under $40k either.

[@mikebythesun]

Yup. I am putting up a new video in the next day or so going into that point a bit more. You can find some close to $40k, but you won’t want them. You get what you pay for.

[@oldschoolhiphop2275]

I tried to tell people this about hellcats.

[@Gcal1956]

As someone who worked on a used car lot back in the day, u better believe that the car was rallied by all the sales people when no one was looking. We used to hammer on cars at all the lots I worked on. Sad but true.

[@kens7432]

Gcal1956 hahahaha not sure what dealership you worked at but 30 yrs in the used car business, I have NEVER seen 1 incident like what you had said..

[@EddieStixx]

Gcal1956 False. Any reputable dealer keeps keys to certain cars under the watchful eye of the general manager. I had a 78k Porsche Cayman on my lot and the keys werent readily available to no one in my sales team. Not even the ones with over 15 years of work experience at the dealer. "You want the keys? Oh yeah? Wheres your customer? Let me meet him." Is what my manager would say. And still wouldnt even let you pull it out of the parking spot. You dunce.

[@3rdcoastobs467]

Lol. Why even bother with this search? Dodge/ Chrysler is a freaking joke. No longevity, cheap builds and worst at warranty coverage. I've owned 2 different dodge vehicles both of then the biggest pieces of shit ever. Never again.

[@RustyZipper]

Last fall this similar Spec HellCats were listed at $48-$50k. No one else will be buying a manual, Black, ‘15, w/o a sunroof. They better take what they can get from you. You got to think how much will this be worth when you trade it in at 25k miles in a year or two? $35k ??

[@Alumnikiid]

Hellcats are not going to keep getting lower because the srt392 is about $35-$40k in the used market and they have been holding their value

[@ripsrt6822]

@@Alumnikiid ya, got a certified pre owned 2015 SRT from dealer with 26k miles in 2018 for 37k. sticker in car showed 52k new. No sunroof or black outs. Looks like the trend is 5k off per year.

[@christopherkassner8894]

A test drive is a must on any used car. And there’s no excuse for letting it get that dirty.

[@mikebythesun]

Christopher Kassner Yup. All around this was a less than ideal scenario.

[@EddieStixx]

Christopher Kassner Except you forget that this scumbag isnt serious about buying the car therefore I applaud the sales department for not letting him drive their 50,000 dollar asset.

[@Shawnsrobloxworld]

@@mikebythesun Pretty sad nobody had the time to start the car once a week or so,keeping the battery charged up. Imagine how stank the old gas is from setting all that time. Can´t be good on the injector,fuel pump etc!

[@concernedcitizen9373]

When someone is look at a Hellcat, let them look the car over if they are in on the looks, bring them in work out the numbers and make sure they have credit to buy after all that is worked out. Then they drive.....

[@justinjones5281]

One of the smartest guys on KZbin don’t back down. Sometimes you won’t get what you want, when you want . But like you said at the end of the season they will get cheaper. Sucks that you will never get the value in a trade in

[@sdmoparmaninsd6713]

The 90s called, they want their "rave dude" visor back

[@mikebythesun]

Haha, no man you got it all wrong. Its the middle aged golf goof look. Two completely different things LOL

[@sdmoparmaninsd6713]

One in the same :P img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/5/6/15/enhanced-buzz-orig-15455-1367868259-22.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

[@ATouchOfCharmed]

There is no excuse for presenting any car in that filthy condition. Shop fronts sell, it's as simple as that. Lazy dealership. Walk onto any car lot in New Zealand, especially dealerships that sell cars like the Hellcat ( here they are worth 100k and up ) they will be extremely clean. Inside and out. Even the 'new car smell'. AND selling a car with a very obvious SC issue is plain ignorant. I guess they are hoping either A) someone won't notice or B) someone won't care. Frankly anyone that wants one of these cars, has or should have, done their research and KNOW the bearings on these can be noisy and be a possible issue, like you Mike. Keep searching Mike, the right car will come along :)

[@mikebythesun]

Kim Foster Thanks Kim. This video was actually shot a month or so ago. The car sat for about another month, with the price dropping $1k, the dealership took in a nearly identical car (same year, miles, color) and then the original one just disappeared. My guess is that it was not sold.

[@EddieStixx]

Kim Foster Well theres a huge difference between the asshole customer (this guy) and a serious buyer. Any smart salesman knows to make an appointment, and have the car presentable and ready for the serious buyer to arrive for the appointment. When youre a tire kicking scumbag like this guy of course no one will give u that treatment. Because people like him simply waste salespeoples time.

[@concernedcitizen9373]

That used car manager, and General manager should be fired for having that car sitting on the lot for 16 months and being dirty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 90 day turn is most used cars

[@darktimez9721]

Yeah I got my eye on a 2015 challenger hellcat, 8 speed auto, white with black wheels, they want 45k for it. Think it had like 30k miles. I recently been looking at 2015 c7 z06s as well. I'm going to wait more to weigh my options.

[@mikebythesun]

Raj Hamilton There’s one in NC that is similar. Has a black hood. But its higher miles, 55k as I recall. And its been sitting there a while. With those miles, one should be able to negotiate pretty easily to get it for closer to $40k. Its on cargurus if you’re interested.

[@oldschoolhiphop2275]

Get the Z06. There's nothing to think about. Only thing to consider is the space. If it's space you want then Hellcat is the option.

[@bradosanz4479]

Z06 is faster than the Hellcat stock for stock. Lighter weight make it a superior street car.

[@BulletSpoung]

I have found that cars seem to set and set at Dodge dealers. One dealer near me had a new 2016 Charger AWD for sale only three months ago. All they seem to sell are vans and RAM trucks. The Hellcats also seem to set on showroom floors until they get embarrassed and then move them out in the back lot. I had my eye on a Plum Crazy auto Hellcat with a blacked out hood that sat around for months. Every time I talked to them they told me $5,000 over sticker, LOL good luck!

[@fallback8314]

that's why they're sitting there and deservedly so: they want an arm and a leg for them

[@tommcdonnell5073]

God damn you like to talk. Speed it up dude

[@chadhaire1711]

no then we will have to listed to 200% more crap

[@fafazaj6726]

Tom Mcdonnell my sentiment exactly. get to the point instead of blah blah blah useless crapp

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

God damn go watch something else if you don't like it.

[@JB-zn1kx]

That's the first mod I did on my 2018. I pulled the blower off and replaced it with a Whipple 4.5. No worry about bearing noise.

[@darnice1125]

And Zero warranty too, Smart move.

[@TheSkrillexRemix]

This guy in my town converted his hellcat to NA. No more supercharger, sounds weird but he got that bearing issue the early ones and made it reliable. It’s making 530whp all motor. Has a crazy intake manifold and heavily built motor

[@mrsr4425]

I think that many of you guys have good knowledge on buying and selling cars. For the good salesman who are truthful and genuine keep it up. As a consumer you must always have knowledge on what your purchasing especially if you're paying 5-7 years. Good to know info on video. Bottom line is, we don't want to be the person who is stuck with a costly issue when we should be able to enjoy what makes us happy (car).

[@jonj8379]

16 months without an oil change I bet

[@mikesbbody]

Why would it? it hasn't moved in almost a year and a half.

[@TeW33zy]

My 2016 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat wasn't sold until 2018. It sat new at the dealership in Forest Lake for 2 years. It has 45k on it now

[@excelmaestro9798]

I love how demanding you are for what you are going to spend your hard earned money on. That’s my biggest takeaway from this video. I definitely will be more demanding and ensure I get what’s fair and right before spending a dime. Nice video, thank you

[@alimonytony]

Some of the ‘17s had bearing issues as well.

[@swp466]

Bearing problems are what kept me from buying a HC (I ended up with a SRT 392). Warranty coverage wasn't the issue -- it's the thought of a $12K repair after the warranty runs out.

[@mylynne1953]

I'm i the market for a used Hellcat. There is a used one in Jacksonville at Coggin Chevrolet. Went over today and took a look. 2015 challenger with 10K on the clock. Very clean, black paint and no detectable scratches inter very clean, bla, bla, bla. Priced at $47K. So Im interested and ask to take it for a run. Manager comes out and says can't drive it until we have a deal and financing arranged. I'm 66 years old, not a kid looking for a thrill. Manager says sorry that the policy on high performance cars. Told him no worries. There are hundreds of used Hellcats on the market. I'll just buy from a dealer that wants to sell. Amazing!!!!

[@mikebythesun]

sachmo omhcas 66 years old and Hellcat shopping... I LOVE IT! Good for you, sir! Since making this video I purchased a Hellcat and it was well worth the effort to get what I wanted at a fair price. As crazy as that “no test drive” experience was for you, it is very common for the hellcats. New ones they typically don’t let you drive at all; used is hit or miss. I managed to do a test drive with a used one (with the red key) and it was only because I had been there before and had a beautiful SRT that I’d be trading in. The sales guy told me that lot of people come in just to drive them with no interest in actually buying, which ruins it for the rest of us legitimate shoppers. In any case, good luck hunting!

[@TheSnakeeater2012]

Just FYI, they did not let you take the car for a drive because they must have found out that your credit is shit. Having an SRT does not mean you call your conditions. That just means that you have poor credit.

[@mikebythesun]

Hawkeye You got me confused with that other guy...

[@vinniecorleone62]

I enjoyed your research & walk around of the Hellcat, best of luck with finding the "keeper" my friend.

[@G5june]

The dealership should be ashamed.. that car was filthy.. but might be a diamond in the ruff if they do a whole new inspection and check that supercharger they would still have to come down to 42-45k or no deal

[@mikebythesun]

JuneBoulevard I hear ya. It was sitting so long that the elements really got to the engine bay. I will say though that the inside of the car was actually really nice - it smelled new, the seats were really crisp and not broken in much at all, the leather on the steering wheel felt brand new. But everything else you saw on the video was as you saw it - unkept and in need of attention. I actually shot this video about 5 weeks ago, up until about 10 days ago the salesman was still reaching out to me periodically about it. given that it sat for 16+ months, I’m sure they paid top dollar for it back when it was traded in and, with the flooring costs, they had a lot $ to make up. Oddly enough, they got a nearly identical car in after i made this video so they had TWO black hellcats with 10k miles sitting there! As it turns out this here is gone. The thing that got me the most though was the customer service. When i got there, I actually walked around the lot for about 20 minutes, then walked inside the dealership and looked at their trackhawk, and then went back outside again, and no salesperson even said hello to me. This is despite this car being right outside a huge plate glass window area where the sales team could clearly see me. I had to go out of my way to get a salesperson to show me the car.

[@ripsrt6822]

@@mikebythesun just seeing this video now, the reason salespeople don't go up to walk ins is they don't think they will buy anything. The internet has taken over and they only help those that made appointments on the interweb. When I bought my SRT, I found it online but never contacted the dealer. Didn't want them warming it up or try to hide anything. I got to the dealer and like you, was left on my own but I found the car and my sister had to get a salesman to help. Had rusty rotors and was started cold, was able to check the car cold which is the first check anyone should do.

[@IamRemoWilliams]

Uh.id be going to the chevy Vette dealer,see what kind of service you get from them.guarantee you wont be in lot for 25 min before someone comes and talks to you.

[@Shawnsrobloxworld]

@@mikebythesun Salesmen must not have been very hungry if you know what I mean.

[@HermannTheGreat]

Smart buying man, take your time. Patience is everything with a purchase this large. People get burned everyday because they aren't patient, and there is always another car around the corner, and the cars continue to depreciate the longer you wait to buy. And for a car that expensive if they won't let you test-drive the vehicle even when you say you won't abuse it, then you run! Because they aren't serious about making a sell or they don't want you finding something out. The consumer has the power if he's willing to walk away, and it's better to have that gap room for unexpected repairs.

[@stevenplaskett7728]

I work at a FCA dealership as a mechanic. They can't just do warranty work without a customer buying it and making a claim. If the dealership has it on the lot they can't do warranty as the car owner.

[@DarcyJovic]

Some dealerships wait for the right buyers. Sell the problem, then upon 2nd owner return try defuse the situation by repair. What comes next is only a partial warranty coverage so the 2nd buyer pays large. At the same time, the factory is paying 100% coverage. In other words, the dealer gets all the parts free and paid for labour by the factory AND THE CUSTOMER!!! A double slam! (Nobody would be the wiser).

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

I came very close to buying a 2016 Hellcat with 9.230 miles on it. But I ended up in a brand new 2019 Scat Pack Plus with the Widebody package. It was the right decision for me.

[@jonsmith1259]

First off, waiting 20 min for assistance is inexcusable! A used car for $50,000 should be "No apologies, No excuses" condition! Yet, noisy engine parts under the hood is plain laziness! It should present, run and drive as well as a new one, with no hesitation to allow a test drive.

[@Davido50]

Jon Smith agreed. Find the next Dodge /FCA dealer! Keep it MOPAR man.

[@Ecoscienceczar]

Low coolant!!!! Not good! Where did the coolant go!!???

[@nitroman365]

Ecoscienceczar I drank it. My feet hurt real bad now.

[@wyattcash274]

There are radiators out there that leak where the plastic and aluminum meet fca knows about it.

[@SixTwoHemi]

Do you consider the SRT challenger & Charger that much different from a Scat in both models?? Good luck on your Hellcat!

[@mikebythesun]

6.4L HemiPower Not that much different, no. Especially if the SP has the dynamics package. The adjustable modes of the SRT are nice, as are the leather options and the steering wheel. But I think the SP is the best value out there. I saw a new (‘17) SP yesterday MSRP for $42k - someone’s going to be able to take that one home for under $40k.. Can’t beat that!

[@redkeyinuse4754]

I went to the dealer a couple weeks ago to check out a 15. It had 2 owners with only 5200 miles. And they wouldn't even let me test drive it.

[@mikebythesun]

Dark Maple SRT I found that rolling up in my SRT helped a bit with that. They see that you have an SRT already and are likely a serious buyer. That is what a salesman told me while I was on a test drive.

[@redkeyinuse4754]

mikebythesun I did. I drove my srt grand Cherokee. Which I would have thought they would see that I already have a $60+k vehicle

[@mikebythesun]

Dark Maple SRT That’s a damn shame. I’m assuming you walked. Horrible policy, esp considering two previous owners.

[@redkeyinuse4754]

mikebythesun yeah that alone seemed weird to me. 2 owners before the first oil change.

[@stevenplaskett7728]

Cause everyone wants to make a personal video smoking the tires doing stupid shit for KZbin. No way I would let any joker drive a 700hp car even around the block

[@bondjames652]

It's a Dodge.. The Lt1 was winning awards in the 90s while the fake Hemi wasn't even a scratch in some Germans pants. The Lt1 ran 176mph for 7 days straight.

[@victorialouden1912]

super chargers are failing a lot I do windshields for a dodge dealer I've seen a lot of hellcat cars with super charger issues.

[@ayebee1207]

Every Hellcat lived it's life one Vin Diesel at a time.

[@joesarr1671]

I can tell this guy is a tire kicker!!!

[@hiltonlouque1504]

I was in the car business 25 years, I wouldn't deal with this guy!!

[@thevally6127]

@@hiltonlouque1504 lol what he's a smart guy and not your dumb customers you guys like to hussle and criminally rip off. i truly wish there will be a day we get rid of the middle man purchasing a car y'all need to kiss my ass before i pay for any car. oh yea i low ball and pay cash. you should of seen the dealer sales guy cry when i bought my 09 G8 back 2012 in cash for less than 19k. they wanted for 25k lol I don't think so and no bullshit finance upcharge. fuck all of you pieces of shit

[@tskoog2824]

except he bought a HellCat lol

[@boris730]

you must be the salesman.

[@DiddyBop_]

When it failed to start I would have walked away i don’t care if it was dead

[@sliknik1025]

If the dead battery is the only issue then it’s nothing to worry about.

[@charliekiger]

Dead battery means nobody there is taking care of their inventory. No excuse for lazy salespeople

[@sawsebawse2000]

@@charliekiger Exactly. Means the fluids and gas aren't getting changed. Wouldn't pay $10g for it

[@TheBlackScatPack]

I think that's why that car is still there. It's a pity seeing that nice looking Hellcat at that. Keep doing your work. I can tell you a black car is a lot of work to keep clean. You'll eventually have that Hellcat.

[@fafazaj6726]

TheBlack ScatPack yupp. shows dirt at every possibility

[@brianm.595]

Ugh I'll never buy another black car I plan to keep.... unless you are extremely careful and hand wash with new clothes everytime, you will end up with permanent swirl marks.

[@JD-di5qp]

10,000 hard miles I’m sure

[@richardcerritelli9657]

That's what I was thinking that's why I would not buy a used Hellcat or Mustang or Camaro with the V8 something like the opposite of a Lincoln Continental or Cadillac when old people buy those cars you like to buy a used one driving slow and garaged them That's why if I was to buy a new Chevy Dodge or even Corvette I would buy it new not used assumed the buyer beat on them especially the Mustang LOL.

[@_LEONKING_]

I wish I could show you a 7k mile Hellcat I found on CarGurus, the car had all kinds of performance mods wich immediately lead to believe the owner probably only drove it on road courses or the drag strip to not put miles on it and not lose value. That car must have been pushing at least 800 whp, and the owner probably used every single one of them everytime he drove it😂

[@HemiMike]

Honeslty to get what you want this seems to be the deal you are looking for.

[@mikebythesun]

Hemi Mike Nah.. I’m in no rush (this video footage is actually a month old, too). I’m a patient man, I’ll pull the trigger when I find the right one at the right price. And the number of hellcats coming off lease is only going to go up. Back in ‘16 all sorts of great lease offers were available (i.e. 0 down, $599/month) and many of them are becoming available now.

[@HemiMike]

mikebythesun so they didn't followed up with you since...?

[@mikebythesun]

Hemi Mike I did hear from the guy a couple of times and actually I could have made another video just about that. I checked back in with him about the car and asked what pricing they were willing to consider and he actually quoted me a an out the door price that was HIGHER than what they offered when I was there. HIs explanation for that made no sense. Then a couple weeks later he reached back to tell me that the asking price of the car had dropped $1k, though that price change had already happened when we spoke on the phone for the first follow up. Unreal, to say the least. Since then, the car has disappeared.

[@HemiMike]

mikebythesun Ah! Oh well...next one! Keep us in the loop, its kool to follow you on this quest. Plus it gives you ammo to expalin to your wife the countless hours searching! Lol

[@adamsdailydriveway]

That’s a serious issue when a hellcat sits for 16 months!!! Shits not right.

[@BurtBowers]

51.000$$..I wouldn't pay more than 20.000$ tops...these cars are not worth it many cars & trucks today are way over priced someone is laughing all the way to the bank what a joke....

[@hammer3921]

Run, don't walk.

[@concernedcitizen9373]

You are talking about the salesperson right? To get away from this jackoff!!!!!!!

[@pthomas923]

Honest question: That car sounds and looks like it hasnt been started in most of those 16 months. I have heard bearings sounds similar (bearings that are good) when they sit for so long. Is it possible they sounded rough due to sitting so long? I mean the car sat so long the battery died. If they lowered their asking price to 42-45k I would say its still a great deal but I wouldnt be taking it for service to that dealership, they clearly dont understand basic sales and inventory management!!

[@mikebythesun]

Its a fair question and you may be correct. But the bearing failure issue on the 15s and early 16s is well documented and there are a number of videos on youtube of failed superchargers. I wasn’t about to roll the dice. FCA changed manufacturers to resolve the issue. All that aside, I wasn’t really all that interested in this car (all black, etc), hence my comment at the end of the video when I say even if they meet all my requests I MIGHT consider it.

[@rodclark669]

There is obviously an issue with supercharger bearings. These things spin at a very high rpm and I believe (just my opinion) that there is a design issue and it probably has to do with lubrication

[@kylefelts691]

Arrive a car lot... salesmen comes out... "I am just looking, why are they always bothering me?". Arrive at car lot, salesmen let's you look around "How long will it take for someone to talk to me?".

[@adamrodenberg1557]

Hard to tell from video but, some of that whining sound from under hood was probably just the alternator trying to charge dead battery. Alternators make whining sound when they're working hard.

[@jpage99999]

Mike I'm in the pacific northwest and used hellcat prices are WELL above book values. Very discouraging......

[@mikebythesun]

jpage99999 You got to be willing to travel to get the deal you want. For my previous SRT8, I drove more than 800 miles overnight across half a dozen states to get a good deal. Up in your corner of the country, you may have fewer options, but keep looking. As the year progresses, there only will be more hellcats made available used.

[@jpage99999]

Thanks man. Please keep up the good ground work and informative videos for us "future" Hellcat owners who are looking to buy in the 40-50K range

[@sorinardelean2193]

I bought my hellcat from lynwood wa but it had no pads or rotors and was squeaking but i still bought it for 48.777 its a 707 horspower car what do espect the ford dealer didnt want to put brakes and rotors on it

[@MrSlater0239]

A car sitting for 16 months at a dealership is using up a lot of their capital. Bad management. The Hellcat has been out for 3 years. Move the metal off the lot and make a deal. Stop tying up your capital.

[@oldschoolhiphop2275]

I hate when they do that shit. Some of these dealers aren't in the business of selling. When I went to get my car this guy was all about moving product no stalling. He did everything to make shit happen. He made sure I got the car I wanted & made sure I was happy. Every other time I felt with a dealership it was always bullshit. They always tried to put me in a vehicle I simply didn't want.

[@akustaka]

Oh my god I just had this same experience! I have a 2013 Dodge Avenger I'm trying to get out of because even though it is a 4 cylinder sedan that dosn't even make 160 BHP it is classified as a sports car, my insurance is 235 a month! The dealership I purchased it from very shamelessly took advantage of my naivety just to get my check. But all the dealerships I go to now won't work with me to try and trade it in. it books currently at roughly 8,600 dollars value wise without mechanical issues, and I had a dealership have the BALLS to offer me 2,500 dollars for it. Keep in mind this is a HUGE dealership located in the heart of Atlanta Georgia! Then not only did they offend me with that offer, they continuously tried pushing me into a car that is 16-17k to "eat the negative equity". But if I get a total loan of about 20k, then it dosn't matter if the insurance on the Toyota Camry is only going to be 90-130 dollars, THE PAYMENT IS GOING TO BE 350 INSTEAD OF 170!! Dealerships do not care at all and they all try to take advantage of people! I'm glad I learned my mistake quickly and will never purchase a car like this again, but it sucks I have to deal with it now!

[@ProPaintballplaye]

Possibly no body wants to deal with the repairs needed.

[@Mercmad]

The way it works with dealership is complicated but they are not actually selling cars, they are selling a mortgage. Not everyone goes in and drops 90 grand so they finance their new car. look at how much those alleged deals cost you in Interest, fees, balloon payments etc etc . They lose big time if you insist on paying up front. So a car can sit on the lot for months as it isn't costing actual money ,just space which costs X amount in leases each month.

[@youtoobe169]

The Avenger is unfortunately one of the worst depreciating cars ever. Have you gone to kbb to get an "actual cash offer", or Carmax?

[@johnspartan98]

The Hellcat Red Eye is the one to buy. I would get one over the Demon. 797 Hp on pump gas. Demon is 808 Hp on pump gas. You need 110 octane to get the 840 Hp out of the Demon. The Hellcat is a little better driving on the street with the wider stance (hugs the curves a bit better).

[@leonardrice2830]

That black cat is nice. Sticks are indeed worth less, but... With some $$$, can be made even more durable: better clutch, delete clutch delay valve, better shifter.🤔 I'd pay 40k, after supercharger replaced. My opinion based on owning 3 of these, the first one a stick. With the latest Hellcat releases like RedEye, maybe 38k. That leaves budget for fixes & improvement. (Like the battery🙄)

[@joed9906]

If it's on the lot why don't they fix it b4 they put it out there? Looks like it's had rear bumper paint Done!

[@topdog19945]

You can tell it hasn't been driven a while just by looking at the surface rust on the brake rotors and those may need to be replaced and the battery is dead. I haven't gone through the process of buying my own car quite yet but if I want to test drive a vehicle and it needs a jump, I'm gonna walk away and go elsewhere.

[@chop2093]

I guarantee the salesmen drove the piss out of that car before they put it up for sale.

[@TeW33zy]

No. Dude its exciting to you because you Aint never owned one. They see them shits day in and day out period

[@oldschoolhiphop2275]

Lmao!!!.

[@theejoeylee]

Dude ....you need to go work at a dealership for 2 weeks, see what REALLY happens with new cars. I will never buy a new car, which is fine cause Im too poor for all that anyway. But man do i feel bad for the guys that can afford new performance cars.Dealers are idiots.

[@kens7432]

TheeJoeyLee Dude shut the hell up and go back to your french fry station. I have 30 yrs experience working at car dealerships in the Metro Detroit area and a dumb ass comment like yours is what gives the car business a bad name. For one vehicles like these are not driven around nor beat on in the lot because you just can't grab the keys and go. Besides with all the surveillance system setup throughout the facility makes it unlikely as well. Douche

[@kens7432]

NickS you don't know shit about dealerships bro, I do. Managers there aren't kids, they are professional older guys and no it don't happen like what you say. Surveillance does mean shit. Bro stop chiming in on something you know anything about!

[@henhowell2433]

Funny in a way that a 50-60k car's interior "finish" is a hunk of plastic... Should be like the old days, where it felt like quality

[@derrickodyes1934]

Dealers cant upsell their warranty complaints it has to be from a consumer. Im sure if you had an agreement on the car they would warranty it. Myself i stay far away from anything fca, dodge, chrysler. Much better quality products to be had

[@Davido50]

Derrick Moyer why you watching this if ur not into the Hellcats? Make that move. Try a new Dodge Hellcat or RAM truck.

[@dodgeguyz]

David Klimmek Ya, nice troll comment! I would stay away from any GM and all Ford trucks! Nothing but problems and junk!

[@charliekiger]

Tried 'em. That's why there's no way in hell I'd buy one.

[@4793bigdaddy]

That's a lot of money for a Fiat with rusty rotors.

[@John-ko3rm]

The car on this lot bummed me out. If you’re in this particular market just buy a new one and save yourself some grief.

[@mikebythesun]

Johnny P. This was definitely the worst specimen I came across during my search. Fortunately most of the used Cats I encountered were much better.

[@rytvdinners5064]

Puffs oil on cold start up...forget this overpriced pile...that was a hard 10k on that one

[@lhoanii]

Not exactly why you said that the manual would drive down the price. I would expect to pay more for a manual as it's usually considered more desirable.

[@ByIntros]

Manuals are cheaper

[@guerro327]

That thing looked like it had been sitting in that same spot for the entire 18 months. Rusted up rotors means they haven’t driven it in a while. And if FCA will fix under warranty, why don’t they do the warranty repair? Total neglect and I wouldn’t buy a car from that dealer.

[@sciulliconcrete]

I heard there are lease deals right now on hellcats 3500 down 500 a month

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

That's not cheap, especially for a lease. And it would take me probably over a year just to come up with the downpayment, and I make over $1,100/week

[@fafazaj6726]

Dominic Sciulli yeah....I rather keep my 99 Dodge ram sport. no payment, done the way I like. fast safe and cheap insurance

[@dirtrusty7228]

"HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is shitty cars for idiots."

[@typhoon320i]

I wouldn't want a car that was sitting around NOT being driven for 16 months. The valve springs have been sitting compressed for long periods of time without the engine being turned over.

[@sc12100]

Chargers and Challengers - especially with the 6.4l hemi, are notorious for being lemons when they are on the lot - being sold as used.

[@mikebythesun]

I’ve had 5 Challengers and I’ve been bananas with all of them.

[@IamRemoWilliams]

Manual is more desireable just my opinion

[@EddieStixx]

As a salesman myself you guys think youre so smart doing your "homework" on aged units. You forget how the sales process works my dude. The longer a car sits, the more the price drops. The dealership is already cutting losses. Youre the one asking for too much, not the dealer. Keep in mind that maybe at the time, the dealer mightve been over doing it taking it on trade in. This does not give them wiggle room on the price. No dealer is taking more than a 2k loss on a hellcat. Instead of bitching about how they didnt give you a great deal, you should be grateful they dropped the price at all. I wouldve offered to fix the bearing issue for you before delivery since ur getting ur panties in a bunch bc of that too. Just my 2 cents.

[@lanesworld4000]

I bet a test drive will reveal more issues.

[@kennedymcgovern5413]

Surprised that a Tremec lowers the value. I mean, I take your word for it...but I would have thought it a preferred option. When I was searching for my 392, an auto tranny was a deal breaker. I get that demand is higher for autos in a Honda. But man, unless one plans to drag it, the Tremec just belongs in a Challenger.

[@mikebythesun]

Kennedy McGovern Yeah i hear you. Its not that the Tremec lowers the value per se, its just that the TorqueFlite HP90 is a $3000 “option” on the window sticker

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

Manuals always lower the price at a dealer (though can sometimes raise it on the private market/classifieds); it's because there are too many pussies out there today who don't want to clutch or shift

[@MrLew1965]

That's one BAD Dealership there !! This place ( wherever it is ?) obviously has no clue on how to sell high end vehicles !! That car should be spotless in and out , especially the engine bay !! That's the main reason for purchasing this car is the Engine, It's filthy and the S/C bearings are shot !! There are shitty dealerships all over the place and this definitely one I would avoid !!

[@madtater5948]

The dealership should always allow you to test drive the car that you're going to be buying whether it's new or used if they won't let you do that you need to go to another dealership as long as everything is under warranty I wouldn't let a bad blower bearing scare me off if that is a aggressive dealership they should have never have let you left without buying that car I'm surprised your phone wasn't ringing off the hook as you were making the video when I bought my Shelby GT500 I told them I wanted to test drive it they threw me the keys and said let's go that's how a good dealership works

[@darktimez9721]

There is a lime green challenger hellcat, 8 speed auto, with only 12k miles on it for 45k. But its 1100 miles away from me and im not doing all that traveling :(

[@mikebythesun]

Raj Hamilton I don’t blame you! 1100 miles is LONG way to drive. Only way I’d do that is if I had a local friend to check out the car and we had a deal worked out ahead of time.

[@ripsrt6822]

Thats a nice drive to max out all the performance times and max speed 😄

[@hammersandoval4624]

Dude, just add whipple to your SRT for under 7k installed, your working back ward. 🤪👍

[@Chief_5]

Great video, and good advice for purchasing any performance car 😺

[@Hot80s]

thinking resale before you buy; no manual 'cats ( slippage issues ) & no 2-tone interiors, black or pass.

[@jamesmedina2062]

I wish I was as patient as you, although my recent errors were partly due to not having a decent car and not having slept well the night before. I got desperate!

[@ClassicRockProd]

Those bearings get noisy from lack of lubrication. This could very well induce metal fragments in the engine oil. A magnetic drain plug could possibly reveal that. If it were me, I would walk away from that car. The only way I would consider a car like that, is if I were the original owner, and I walked it through the break-in period myself. You know whoever had that car last, most likely ragged on it before they turned it in.

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

Sorry, most of us don't have $80k in our bank accounts, or the credit for a $1,200/month car note....

[@tbrasi5887]

It was dead and hadnt been started in prolly a year...i would have let it warmed up and drove it, once the oil in the supercharger reached good viscosity, it might have sounded alot better. After all, it was cold metal on metal bruh...

[@einbertalstein]

Some good points and plenty of informations. I am also willing to buy a Hellcat, but here in Germany there are onnly a few cars that are offered. If i knew a person in the US that is familiar with the Hellcats and willing to let me know, if there is a good offer of a well maintained and serviced car that has been driven by someone who knows how to deal with that ... As Thomas Wilkinson perfectly described, many of these Petrolheads buying a new Hellcat or other performance cars don`t know nothing about warming up a cold engine and cooling it down...

[@nchemi5135]

I think you made the right choice

[@puckhead1909]

Count the number of times he fondles his "soul patch" very telling

[@jrellzva]

Shit that was pretty Dope though, having the Train as a background sound. Perfect timing, if I were u I'll use that sound in all my videos.

[@Shawnsrobloxworld]

Damn,did you see how crusty the disc brake rotors were? That thing hasn´t seen the road in months.

[@407to618]

But the question I would like to ask wouldn’t they fix it since the car only has 10,000 miles on it it’s the best deal on the warranty or basically they’re trying to let someone drive off the lot with it and let it happen to them and put miles on it that way he gets out of the Warrantee range

[@mikebythesun]

That’s a great and a reasonable question - and why I so puzzled when I got the cold shoulder when I told them that the supercharger needed to be swapped out and it was covered by FCA warranty.

[@Davido50]

kyles thurman no way. Prob overlooked by dealer as was keeping it clean & running.

[@robertviejo9048]

you couldn't pay me $100 k for ANY FCA product. Great video. Good luck with the Mopars. Mustangs and Chevys are also dicey as far as quality issues. But NEVER FCA for me.

[@robv6448]

Dodge/Chrysler...pretty much across their model line "a good idea poorly executed". In 2010 I rented a Charger with fewer than 5000KM, stuffing sticking out from all sorts of areas of the interior, a suspension that bottomed out on a bump of almost any type and driving on the highway at about 50 MPH the steering wheel suddenly began to shudder almost to the point of loosing control of the vehicle...thinking surely a flat front tire but nope no obvious sign of the cause. Gingerly drove it back to the rental company and got a different brand.

[@mikebythesun]

A LOT has changed since 2010.

[@bigbc9344]

Good luck!

[@checkmateking2854]

I live in Metro Detroit....2015 Hellcat Challengers with less than 10K miles are averaging high $40K

[@leonardrice2830]

Correct! That dealer should simply tell FCA to fix the supercharger!😡 My bought brand new 2016 Challenger Hellcat is on its 3rd supercharger. All under warranty. As of now, my PlumCrazy Charger Hellcat with 6k miles is ok.

[@3644Darrell]

Why did the superchargers fail?

[@leonardrice2830]

3644Darrell Early on, bad bearings were a problem on some Hellcats. No catastrophic failures, just noise.🤔 All warrantied & fixed as far as I know.😉

[@stevenwiseman2537]

Did you notice the rust on those rotors , holly shit they were bad , those high po rotors that are probably very expensive to replace

[@johngibson3594]

When cars sit fit that long rodents sometimes take up residence.

[@southbayla3137]

Good video , there are not that many people doing dodge used car shopping guides