USFA Zip 22: How a Garbage Gun Destroyed A Good Company

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USFA used to be the producers of probably the best Single Action Army reproductions on the market - but then the company owner decided to pursue a crazy whim and embarked on the Zip 22 project. This was to be a very modular and very inexpensive little pistol with lots of cool possibilities. Problem was, the thing was a malfunctioning piece of junk that handled like a lumpy 2x4.
To make it cheap and easy to make, Donnely (owner of USFA, and apparently the actual designer of the Zip) eschewed the use of either an extractor or ejector. Furthermore, the bolt is a roughly 1" (25mm) cube of polymer and is a consumable part like the recoil springs. The combination of a short bolt travel, very light mass of reciprocating parts, and lack of traditional parts to ensure extraction and ejection resulted (not surprisingly) in a notoriously unreliable firearm.
While each individual Zip is very cheap, this is only possible through the use of polymer molds, which are very expensive to create. Apparently USFA sold off all its traditional machine tools (ie, the Single Action Army production capacity) to finance the various molds for the Zip 22 project. Donnely thought that the massive profits form the Zip would allow him to purchase new tools and restart SAA production after a two-year hiatus. However, the massive problems with the Zip destroyed the company's finances. It was only in production for just about a year, and by January of 2017 the company was formally dissolved, with no assets remaining.

[@MadJustin7]

This is what happens when a group full of smart people are unwilling to tell their boss his idea is stupid.

[@Sideshow320]

Almost as genius as manufacturing a friggin zip gun

[@rob.3575]

MadJustin7 More like a bunch of yes men.

[@fastmongrel]

Or a group of very smart people who dont tell the moron his idea is moronic and walk away laughing with pockets stuffed full of cash

[@ac1dP1nk]

Power that is not shared is abused

[@bigpalookaalt]

The George Lucas Effect.

[@bjrnmgranvang1107]

I read about a guy who left his Zip22 in the passenger seat of his car and went into a store. When he came back, someone had broken into his car and left a Zip22 next to his.

[@killert_7759]

lol the guy that broke in wanted to get rid of his

[@mackenzienorman6406]

Lolololol

[@nanotfound1042]

@@killert_7759 "bro I will literally commit a crime just to get rid of this fucking piece of wasted plastic"

[@henrysokol3466]

You might land a successful hit on Wonder Woman with this. She's attacked by bizarre-looking guns all the time. But she'd never expect ineffective firearms being flung at her for an *opening move!*

[@John_Conner_]

Underrated comment lol 😅

[@felixfrenkel5488]

The gun is actually pretty powerful. Destroyed a whole company holy sh*t.

[@meshuggahshirt]

All without having to fire a shot

[@themightykv-5410]

​@@meshuggahshirt Not like it could

[@YeeterzYT6259]

@@themightykv-5410indeed

[@mrt2this607]

Now if we can only take a couple of those billions we blindly send off to Ukraine and update all the domestic agencies. Say like all these new armed irs agents and especially let's outfit all atf people with this lovely tool. That way these agencies will be as useful as these things. ...?

[@carlosfabricioalf]

OMG He he he... I almost died here man. I was eating when I read this and almost spit everything. One of the most funny comments I ever read.🤣😂🤣😂😂

[@JenkinsOwen]

“In order to avoid operator failure, please fire with the incorrect hand” truly a marvel in firearms technology

[@robertstewart5351]

Incorrect to you I’m a lefty😂

[@ktk44man]

​@@robertstewart5351finally, us lefties get what we truly deserve, a terrible gun

[@jimshotfirst4887]

​@@robertstewart5351represent!

[@Justin-er2bq]

Me too sp would my incorrect hand be my right hand?

[@potatoeyboi]

This gun was so bad, the only thing it killed was a million dollar company

[@felixautomaton5314]

And it killed it by *not* firing a shot!

[@spaceballs72]

*IT'S OWN MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY

[@movessmitt6427]

@@saturnity6 For real, hate unfunny add-ons.

[@icannotthinkofaname6248]

That’s a lot of damage tbh

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

how does this not have over a thousand likes?

[@gennadyreshetnikov5948]

Somewhere in a parallell universe an angry drill Sergeant is forcing his crying troops to field strip their Zip 22's.

[@dooderbug2437]

Not too far from ours either.

[@xeveniahdarkwind178]

Best laugh in ages...

[@joseppi4435]

In honesty this reminds me of project cars but in this case you make a project gun and this is your base gun you choose. The parts inside look like they don’t need much so you just gotta remake the shape and fix the surface controls do you don’t end up blowing off a finger

[@robertagren9360]

Zip up! Drop dead!

[@xeveniahdarkwind178]

@@vspec17 ditto...

[@1959Berre]

The design is intended to mislead customs officers. Officer: "What is this thing?" Answer: "It's a toner cartridge for my printer". Officer: "Okay, move along".

[@user-rt4uf6et9u]

I think that really was his intention but for different reasons. His philosophy that everybody had the right to self defense presumably applied even to those who are afraid of guns because of pop culture and a fear mongering 24 hour news cycle. He made the gun cheap enough that anybody could afford it, and so unlike other guns that it avoids a lot of the scary baggage tied to regular guns. The execution of that idea was awful but there was logic to his thought process. On the other hand, a gun that doesn't look like a gun is a recipe for accidental shootings, so perhaps people would learn to be more afraid of it pretty quickly had it caught on.

[@lilwyvern4]

This would make a great weapon for a horror game. Your only ranged defense option is this. It might save your life if the monster is closing in, but your best option is still to remain hidden and unseen.

[@DoctorTheo]

I know im a year late, but Amnesia the Bunker is pretty much that idea

[@keztannis6848]

​@@DoctorTheoBut the guns in that game are actually functional so it doesn't count

[@kueferd5671]

it appeared somewhat in Cruelty Sqaud

[@DoctorTheo]

@@kueferd5671 Possibly the most accurate depiction of the gun

[@Worldintime]

When i was a little kid, i also played with VHS tapes imagining that it was a gun.

[@rockeestar4629]

Hahahaha, the more I look at it the more it looks like a VHS tape lmao. Underrated comment

[@LucarioDoT]

A VHS might actually do more damage

[@motormouth2472]

Hahaha. Underrated

[@brutusvonmanhammer]

When I was a kid,literally anything was a gun, including food

[@lop1991]

@@brutusvonmanhammer same I would play with breadsticks and think that they’re shotguns😂

[@lexdelaney2805]

"It won't fire if you drop it." It won't fire when you pull the trigger either.

[@thdmtr]

hahahahahahhhahaha

[@ayotamquam9519]

Hence the safest gun

[@Not_Ciel]

I love how they said to hang it off a carbine as if you could actually pull that stupid trigger while it's sitting on the rail, and even then who knows if it'll fire XD

[@pospenguin]

@Wiedergeboren lol!

[@masonlaw7628]

Lolol

[@0000Sierra117]

With the reverse rail option, I now want to see a very rail-covered AR-15 just bristling with zip-22s. Including one mounted upside-down on top of a scope whose scope mount has additional top-rail

[@FFKonoko]

I also now want to see this.

[@Kneon_Knight]

Yo, Dawg...🤣

[@crazyinsane500]

Tag Jeditobewan and he'll probably do that in H3VR at least. . . And then try to reload the ouroboros of Zippies in some silly way.

[@kwc0435]

Absolute pain

[@michaelsanders6920]

We had the 6 barreled mgl in Iraq and the scope had rails on three sides so I stuck an m4 with a 320, 2 foregrips, and 2 flashlights on it.

[@Makskori]

"The ultimate weapon, in ejection failures and misfires. You'll be lucky to get two shots out of this thing without blowing off your fingers."

[@CruelestChris]

The best American firearm designers came together and now, with the fusion of modern expertise and the latest production technology, have finally created a semi-auto you can play Russian roulette with.

[@AAZ-yu5ss]

Truly the Gorbino’s quest of guns!

[@linusdn2777]

The supposition that the brass could hit your hand rests entirely on the gun actually ejecting the brass.

[@AnimeSunglasses]

Hey, it might eject only HALF the brass! Burns AND cuts on your hand!

[@dizisill]

When these first came out i went to a gun shop and the owner was tryna sell me one of these so bad i wasn't having it

[@TheNewGuy59]

That is predicated that it fired to begin with, otherwise no brass to eject.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

The jamming is a safety feature

[@commandercody2980]

@@dizisill "please, for the love of God, just take this piece of shit off our hands!"

[@Lefty217]

This is a real life Tediore. Throw it at your enemy when it's empty, it'll probably do more damage than trying another magazine.

[@sibire8284]

Nah man that's Hi-Point; Tediore has some wicked good guns.

[@theinstitute1324]

@@sibire8284 Hi-Point makes good guns though, despite all of their unabashed ugliness.

[@superior2u]

Safer idea, hand the gun and ammo to your attacker, wait til he blows a finger off. Subdue.

[@JamesManimal]

Haha. No give it to your enemy. They’ll never get a round out.

[@lillardzero8790]

Tediore from borderlands ?

[@ericoberlies7537]

When I was a kid, “zip gun” was a slang term for a homemade.22 where a round was fired through a tube, attached to a piece of wood, using little more than a rubber band and a nail.

[@masonsykes2240]

You'd probably get better performance out of that tbh

[@Damian-cilr2]

​@@masonsykes2240 Probably would be a little safer too.

[@matthewmoser1284]

It shows Ian's distain for this gun that he dry fires it so much without bothering to slow the action like he normally does. 🤣

[@suursuits7637]

A picatinny rail, for mounting a massive scope that is ten times the price of the gun, to miss more accurately.

[@banditthesiberian8156]

In order to miss it has to fire

[@anthonygarcia5375]

In order to miss you have to at least be able to aim

[@Angel-wi5pu]

Haha more accurately. “Don’t just miss your shots, miss them with purpose”

[@wolfen26]

@@Angel-wi5pu Motto of the Stormtrooper Shooting Academy.

[@killert_7759]

That’s what phantom forces players do. Put a Sagittarius 40x on a Zip 22

[@dosbilliam]

This thing is like a reverse AK-47; extremely complex to take apart, works horribly, and destroyed the company that spawned it.

[@sibottle]

it's EXACTLY like a reverse AK-47

[@greatwhiteironic9085]

Small, low power, eyesore

[@CaptainCraigKWMRZ]

The AK-47? The most copied and mass produced rifle in human history? You millennials need to get some education. Yeet!

[@CaptainCraigKWMRZ]

@@sibottle if EXACTLY means not at all, you nailed it! Sad...

[@dosbilliam]

@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ ...Did you and the previous person not bother actually reading what the rest of us typed?

[@ajorsomething4935]

I get what Donnely's concept was, but there was nothing forcing him, or the engineers to make it in this form factor. Who said it needed to be a brick? Who said it needed to have such a short bolt travel? Who said that they shouldn't make the bolt out of metal, or cast it, or at least weigh the bolt down by filling it with shot like a deadblow hammer? Did they design the shape first and the gun second?

[@UnitSe7en]

I think the form factor is designed to have no potential points for catching on clothing or such. And I guess to that goal the concept might be to just not look overall like a gun. Also they clearly had concepts for accessories, for example the SBR stock. I think the form factor of the ZIP aids integration with those other products, too.

[@grimgrahamch.4157]

My closest guess was he saw the P90 and thought rectangle=futuristic.

[@mkultragaming6939]

They could've outsourced it to Keltec and they would've somehow made it not only good but successful because they're the only ones that can make weird shit and get away with it

[@tysontaggart7246]

I love that Keltec's whole market is basically making weird guns that make people go "That's really bizzare... I want one." Lol

[@myway7367]

The only gun that when pointed, raises questions rather than hands.

[@jayathdesilva6179]

Underrated comment

[@save02]

@@jayathdesilva6179 Definetly

[@cr1ms0n8bit7]

"PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND GIVE ME YOUR MONEY" "lmao wtf is that get a real gun and not a VHS tape"

[@vipervidsgamingplus5723]

“Why are you pointing a toy at me?”, “do you need a moment to fix the thing?”, “why did you try to rob me with a broken gun?”, “do you want to try throwing it to cause some damage?”.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@cr1ms0n8bit7 and when he dies from it he will claim he got shot by a Hi-point and not a VHS tape lol

[@nooneinparticular5256]

So, one funny thing, is that this gun is now in a new game: Cruelty Squad. Every time you click to fire it, there's a 1/3 chance of it firing, a 1/3 chance of it doing nothing, and a 1/3 chance of damaging you instead.

[@actuallyasriel]

Finally, a proper representation of the Zip22!

[@nooneinparticular5256]

@@actuallyasriel And even better, you get it in a casino level, by running a gun slot-machine, that has a 1/9000 chance of actually giving you the Zippy 3000; AND you have to finish the level with it in your inventory (1 of 2 weapon slots) to keep it; AND this is a game where you can die very easily (just a few shots); AND if you die, you have to start ALL OVER.

[@bigdaddydons6241]

Wait really? I haven't found it yet, I gotta go looking

[@bigdaddydons6241]

@@nooneinparticular5256 and thats why I love this game, its like its trying to kill me, and beating a level is so rewarding

[@m__y-t-s]

Cruelty Squad really is an amazing game.

[@daneelaart]

the zippy was so beloved they made it into a real thing

[@TheEnderBoy6625]

Gotta get it from the slot machine.

[@ALTER_7]

So basically the only way to hold this thing correctly is if you had hands like an Elite from Halo.

[@jackmcglion8337]

Yes

[@mysticmallachi777]

"How do we make firearms safer for children?" "I dunno, make it look like a toy."

[@madcourier6217]

Also make it easier to injure yourself then ever before!

[@sebastiaandewit159]

Sacha Baron Cohen did that! He made teddy-guns!

[@mysticmallachi777]

@@sebastiaandewit159 lmao, This was a commercial product with "legitimate" "practical" "use" (yes, all the quotations are intentional lol).

[@movessmitt6427]

Hannibal to Eric Andre. Lol, that's what it sounds like, amazing Q&A

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

yeah just make it so it won't go off until they mess with it for 2 minutes

[@aquileslame6897]

Me: mom can we have a P90 Mom: we already have a P90 at home P90 at home:

[@nibs7252]

It is like a discount P90 prototype, if you have ever seen one

[@andrerobertson3151]

Your comment reminds me of when i actually asked my dad if we could get a P90. He's currently looking into it.

[@leefithian3704]

The difference between fruit rings ....and fruit Loops

[@xinfinity8532]

🤣😂

[@JelloThatsMellow]

We got P90X at home on DVD /flex

[@hugokatz]

The main safety feature is.... if you're opponent gets ahold of your weapon, they won't be able to use it against you. While they're trying to figure that out, you're going to have a lot of time to run away. And you're going to want to run away out of embarrassment.

[@brucefromfindingnemo7842]

I remember having a nerf pistol that attached to the rail sections of some other nerf guns. It actually shot reliably though, so I guess it's not that similar.

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

Ian: "Did you do it?" Doug: "Yes." Ian: "What did it cost?" Doug: "Everything."

[@bitfreakazoid]

Holy shit! Can't breath.

[@datguy9408]

I dont want to put my name HAHAHAHAHA

[@BBTomahawk12]

r/unexpected_thanos

[@Deadlyaztec27]

This is the best comment in here.

[@quetzalthegamer]

*Zip shoots bubbles* Doug: "I like it."

[@Blad3warrior]

Manual of arms: 1. Take out of box 2. Throw directly in trash

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

3. Keep box. As it actually has some uses

[@jackandersen1262]

Or sell it as scrap.

[@rob.3575]

It could make a decent door stop.

[@1stPCFerret]

Blad3warrior Or just "1. Take $100. 2. Throw in trash." Similar final end, but saves unnecessary motion.

[@11Kralle]

"Griff dran schrauben - wegschmeißen."(screw on a handle - toss it away)

[@BCDeshiG]

For some reason, I thought it'd be a lot bigger. I absolutely lost it when he inserted the extended mag into it though, and even moreso when I saw the photo of it being mounted to another gun.

[@lztn1183]

POV: You've been standing in a casino in front of the same slot machine for two and a half hours trying to get a gun that doesn't even work

[@expendableround6186]

Zippy 3000. Not even once.

[@sethdowd]

22 is very lethal, unless fired from this unreliable piece of garbage Didn't have to roast em like that Ian, damn.

[@millistein3217]

This thing is also Letal.... but mostly not for the Target

[@BigboiiTone]

Lethal to any man's sense of manhood who has one

[@thurin84]

and so spaketh firearms jesus on the matter.

[@mahnemsjef]

whyd you even bother to use the quotation marks?

[@BigboiiTone]

@@mahnemsjef just to piss you off, bro.

[@chaseman113]

One day you’ll stumble across a prototype Zip 22 that performs flawlessly and somehow devolved into this thing.

[@mr.bobcyndaquil4214]

The SA80 in pistol form

[@KingBowserLP]

I feel like the bolt was designed to be steel and then they replaced it with polymer to cut costs... resulting in this thing.

[@LucarioDoT]

@@KingBowserLP Does anyone want to bother testing this?

[@Silentguy_]

@@KingBowserLP it would probably work 1000 times better even if the bolt was made of cast zinc

[@cleanerben9636]

I think the manufactured gun is the prototype.

[@iCy77]

Yoooo it's the thingamajig from Cruelty Squad

[@TheRealLemongrab]

As someone who’s owned a few of these. the reason they were so bad is because the return spring was very weak, causing the gun to not eject the rounds, but after purchasing an upgrade spring and oiling the firearm up it runs flawlessly. If you have one and want it to run better, replace the trigger spring and the trigger and the return spring

[@5anjuro]

It has that late 1980s "cheap disposable camera" aesthetic to it. Something you'd grab from 7-Eleven, fool around with and discard without regret.

[@SimuLord]

"It's the casual way to murder someone on a weekend!" Or it would be, if it worked.

[@Marc83Aus]

Someone looked at a $200 plastic glock and thought there has to be a way to make something for half the price with 1% the reliability!

[@alpacatwoniner2370]

Lol, Sev would sell a disposable gun though. They totally would

[@moosemaimer]

It looks like something from a dystopian comic, like you'd buy it out of a vending machine and it just comes preloaded with 5 rounds.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

To me it looks a bit like a scifi prop. A bit into wht the P90 or Vector are doing.

[@mauserman2514]

"Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything." - Doug Donnelly

[@nolanolivier6791]

Lol, that frikkin ticked...

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

"It's not the man who wins the gold medal, but the man who steps into the arena against all odds and still competes." Doug

[@bacon81]

Lmao 😂 👌🏽

[@andyprairiedog4829]

Mauser Man lmao!!!!

[@chancepaladin]

ouch!

[@doublepiedavid8908]

Almost everything about this gun is clever and well thought out. Except everything that matters

[@DrLennieSmall]

I'd like to see these secondary features on an actually well done weapon.

[@doublepiedavid8908]

@@DrLennieSmall after rewatching the video again, I think that it may be possible to make it work by making the firing pin/ejector a couple millimeters longer and giving it a steel bolt. If you really wanted to go all the way in upgrading it, you could give it skorpion-like cocking nubbins instead of the weird buttons it has now, round the corners a tad, and maybe give it an extractor, but overall I think that the concept is salvageable despite being kinda useless. Ig a functional zip may be able to capitalize on how bad the OG zip is

[@trs4184]

This really takes "Remember, switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading" to a whole new level

[@akyloren10050]

I’m not sure if it is intentional, but Ian is absolutely HILARIOUS when he hates a gun

[@henrysokol3466]

He's so polite! There's usually a subtext of exasperated pity: "I don't know what misfortunes made you attempt this lifestyle. You must be unhappy as a firearm."

[@LiterallyWho1917]

cynical Montone humor is uniquely hilarious and helps add to absurdity

[@egg5474]

Well a gun that resembles a failed abortion is going to take what it can get.

[@vonschlesien]

Negative reviews are always easier to write.

[@oz_jones]

@@vonschlesien Especially when the subject is notoriously bad. Boring is hard to criticize.

[@Gorilla_Chaos]

Did the manual actually say “Just shoot random things in the middle of the street?” Top notch gun safety here

[@gastonbell108]

They meant it for military purposes. Testing suspicious packages for bombs, would be my guess. I still have no idea why that is a good idea.

[@jacobhinton6178]

@@gastonbell108 That's how the military and law forces disarm bombs, by shooting them. In most cases bombs are shoddily made, sometimes detonating on accident at random or even being garbage that you could disable by a rock toss. If the bomb is placed in an area safe from collateral damage like roads or buildings that are already damaged, they dont risk human life or expensive robots to disarm them, and just open fire. They do disarm them with those options, but only in cases where its impossible or risky to shoot the damn thing.

[@gastonbell108]

@@jacobhinton6178 I can understand bomb disposal via gunfire: I've seen it done with a .50-caliber rifle. But that's because they can shoot it from far away. Even a small bomb has a greater explosive radius than a .22 pistol. Doesn't seem like a good idea to save a few pennies on a bullet that puts you in harm's range.

[@jacobhinton6178]

@@gastonbell108 Heh, no it does not. I don't think that would ever be viable.

[@CrudeConduct666]

@@gastonbell108 .22s go farther than you seem to think. This gun sucks ass, but with a Ruger 1022 or something I see no problem

[@magamexican6302]

I want nothing more in this life than to be a “zip operator”.

[@davidreeding9176]

Do it

[@domesticalyx]

this is just like gorbinos quest. this is the gorbinos quest of weapons.

[@jcash72]

"I kind of see where he was going. The problem is he is kind of crazy, and where he was going wasn't somewhere anyone wanted to be." This is great :D

[@homelessEh]

yeah kinda like how the some bb guns has butt stocks it could clip into and other odd accessories to turn a pistol into other stances. as far as safe may as well weapon a rubix cube lol.

[@kiekert2007]

a forgotten weapon 3 years after it's productionrun..that must be a record.

[@charlescarr3909]

Seriously I was amazed this is up but damn this is dumb!

[@RobertMorgan]

Naw, SigSauer holds the record. I shot one once and immediately went blah, ick, and forgot about ever buying one. Their proportions are weird. Don't like the angles. It's why I bought an HK.

[@jackandersen1262]

kiekert2007 you’re forgetting the Chippa Triple Threat.

[@sashaokoh2344]

@@RobertMorgan when you call one of the biggest gun companies a "forgotten weapon"

[@crusaderiii477]

Unless you play phantom forces on roblox

[@danielokelly9553]

US Firearms sold their single action revolver machinery to Standard Manufacturing in New Britain, Ct. Standard has been making the SAA ever since and it’s quality exceeds the original Colts. They all come with a case/hardened frame. I just got mine and it’s fantastic.

[@drenemelia2960]

If you used a picatinny on one, and then a reverse picatinny on a second one, could you mount two Zip 22's onto each other? Because that's kind of hilarious

[@titaiao]

Oh no, you made me imagine that

[@Eliwood407]

Looking at the design, it looks like you reload it by throwing it at your enemy after which it explodes and magicaly reconstructs itself in your hands.

[@TC-xd3gq]

We call this the baby maker Jr

[@lxjoe96]

Tediore guns are fun!

[@willful759]

Glat to see i'm not the only one who thought that LOL

[@noban2730]

The ammo cost gets out of hand though when you realise the more ammo you have the more damage it does

[@Filthycasual123]

tediore guns lmfao

[@ballsdeep6924]

So THATS where Gearbox got their inspiration for Tediore designs

[@Spectrik]

I knew it looked familiar thank you

[@cooperfurman4745]

And just like a Tediore, it does more damage if you throw it at the enemy rather than shoot it.

[@m_fredi9549]

My name is Klein!

[@yourlocalfishservent9213]

That's why you throw it away

[@laurafrakinroslin]

I was so excited to see that thumbnail. Someone at gearbox really knows guns.

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

Judging by how USFA designed this weapon, and the sacrifices that were made for it, seems that the creator's vision of the gun was to drive his own company into the ground rather than actually design a cheap weapon that could be easily manufactured.

[@tvoirealvragg]

zippo 3000 but in our time and multiuniverse

[@craigstewart6194]

It has to be the safest gun in the world if it doesn't work.

[@failer_]

Not safe at all in a selfdefense situation.

[@catbear3294]

@@failer_ the their would laugh himself to death. Effective

[@TonboIV]

The problem is, it doesn't not work reliably either.

[@ace5566]

Craig Stewart For firearm laws, I presume.

[@-_Nuke_-]

exactly lol

[@PsychadelicoDuck]

KZbin recommended me this and "homer designs a car" at the same time. They seem appropriate, together.

[@binkbonkbones3402]

Magnum_koichi seems to think so

[@juanandresmendezmartinez8024]

@@a.hollins8691 IF it fires

[@steevrawjers]

lol

[@marthaindahouse1010]

It'd be better if the third recommendation was a video about the Pontiac Aztek.

[@FIXTREME]

@@marthaindahouse1010 The 4th video was about the Sega 32x

[@iEATteeth-tm8he]

Type 94: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

[@pandabuluk]

Now coming in your friendly PMC Griffin and Kyurger.

[@lunkfumble]

Buy 2 Zip 22s, one with the standard rail and the other with the reverse rail, attach them top-to-top and now you have double the reliability

[@Steel-toad-Jack]

So 0×0 reliability I guess that's better

[@Justanotherconsumer]

But how do you hold it?

[@cymond]

@@Justanotherconsumer how do you hold it? Like this, of course: www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/28/double-glock-full-auto-pistols/

[@GymVideos1]

Probability should be .75 4 options like the odds of one coin of two coming up heads fire/fire fire/no fire no fire/fire no fire/no fire 25% none fire, 50% one of the two fires, 25% both fire.

[@AlmightyRager95]

You mean a lack thereof.

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

Halfway into disassembly I was waiting for Ian to start dropping parts into a trash can lol.

[@ThatBeePerson]

i would have actually just died if he did so lol

[@lunsine]

we all know the feeling getting a killstreak somehow with a 90000 rpm zip 22 lazer beam in phantom forces

[@vicnedel02]

at first I thought "Perhaps this was made for space aliens who's hands are not shaped like out hands and its intended use was for zero gravity environments." But then you showed the manual where it says its intended as a rifle attachment and I understood why its a left handed gun. I think the idea was to always attach this to another gun. You'd be holding your AR or whatever with your right hand on the trigger and your left one on this thing.

[@stephenrosenthal5252]

Why the pocket clip then?

[@wanderingwonder111]

"Test that object in the middle of the street..." "Dear user, use our firearm to take potshots at unidentified targets" -sincerely, the USAF team

[@optionalcoast7478]

yeah I was like what the hell do they mean by that

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

Other people have brought up the point that this could have been referring to IEDs, but uh, while I believe that could have been the intent by USFA/Doug Donnelly it is still just so _incredibly_ dumb on so many levels. EDIT: corrected the typo after someone pointed it out

[@randombloke82]

*USFA. I very much doubt the USAF want any more to do with this thing than the average punter….

[@josephsshitpostemporium4325]

I thought it was a joke.

[@deletdis6173]

Prophetic

[@SkeeterMcBeater]

How to make a hi point look like an engineering masterpiece.

[@Creamer305]

Alex Jongenelen yeah go check demolition ranches hi-point videos and you will see

[@steveman751]

@@Creamer305 Where he calls hi points terrible 15x a video, yet shows how indestructible and very reliable they are.

[@jameson1239]

It is it’s very reliable but it’s really ugly

[@thdmtr]

hahahahhahahahah

[@MilitantVision]

What the hell is with the hate with the hi point? It’s ugly, sure but it is reliable

[@Dan-gj1hz]

I will shamelessly admit ive re-watched this 6 times. This is one of the best forgotten weapons videos ever.

[@BashoftheMonth]

"Unfortunately, Ian would never get his really cool ruptured case footage."

[@BloodyCrow__]

Let's make a safe gun! **puts charger next to muzzle**

[@Enkarashaddam]

It's not safe until you blow all your fingers off... because then you can't pull the trigger anymore

[@Feeshyenjoyer]

Enkarashaddam I mean.... you are technically correct

[@theblackbaron4119]

@@Feeshyenjoyer yeah, how can a company design an atrocity like that.

[@imjusthereforthememe6625]

I have more faith in my nerf guns then that abomination

[@rhadooxxl]

Yeah, but if the gun fails to load, you could have to operate the charger with your eye by looking down the barrel, this point is moot.

[@Nellsism]

Remember when you were a kid and pretended your TV remote was a gun... thats what this reminds me of

[@richie_23]

shit im 22 and i still like to pretend my tv remote is an m1911

[@lukalukunic2820]

Hahahahahahaha I wish I can like this 1000 times😂

[@thezorz4687]

@@richie_23 If you put fresh batteries in it, it would become a reliable handgun. ;)

[@boxtank5288]

It'd be a more effective handgun than this.

[@dfwai7589]

My grandparents had a TV remote that had a distinct curve to it and I would always hold it like a sawed off

[@Gumdropnipples]

This is the only gun ever that a firearms store urged me NOT to buy. I was so surprised at how bad they said it was that I wanted it even more, but the retailer told me it was to expensive to buy just to collect. I ended up getting an aug a3 instead.

[@a.k8185]

Nice taste.

[@Gumdropnipples]

@@a.k8185 I think it's my top choice for compact rear fed rifles

[@europa873]

I once got one of these out of a slot machine and regretted it.

[@MrBrown-br7sh]

Doug was a member at our gun club. He filmed the shooting portions of his advertisements there. The one time I met him, he let me shoot Zip Gun serial #1; he was so proud of it and that example was 100% reliable, even with garbage ammo. I feel bad saying it (because he is a really nice guy) but I’ve probably shot the only reliable zip gun.

[@charlesmckinley29]

Wax Pragmatic I wonder what was changed from the prototype. I held one and just couldn't get passed sweeping my hand to charge it.

[@charlescarr3909]

Did you even listen it's meant to be under barell mounted for reasons that make no sense.

[@boringpolitician]

Well, I'm one of the few who have liked this thing ever since it came out. Because of its simplicity. I like simplicity. Ian points out an important fact though - which is what others have noticed as well. Simple fix is: getting a stronger spring. That's all! A harder spring and the gun works flawlessly every time (otherwise it is prone to jamming). So in the original gun the creator probably had a heavier spring. Someone thought they'd skimp on a smaller spring, which made the gun jam on almost every round. Search for zip 22 spring, here on youtube and you'll see a totally different gun - from just such a small and simple fix.

[@leadcounsel4869]

Curious. What makes this "simple." Looks complex as hell to me; and dangerous. If I just picked one up, I would have NO IDEA how to charge a round or take it apart. It took Ian 10 minutes to take it apart and I counted 18 parts on a basic dis-assembly!!!!

[@MrBrown-br7sh]

Charles McKinley I’ve always assumed the one I shot was reliable because it was hand made and had many hours of hand tuning as part of development.

[@seanh2364]

"The whole thing just fizzled up and blew away like dust." Mr. Gun Jesus, I don't feel so good...

[@captiannemo1587]

If only he had gone one step further... and said... "dust in the wind"

[@sonofnone116]

Too soon

[@tranz2deep]

Beat me to it, Michael...

[@origamigamer8990]

Some possible improvements: -Make the bolt out of aluminum -Some sort of integral ejector -Any sort of extractor

[@higorguedes4413]

*find himself in a shootout* *sees a .22 zip and a wooden plank on the ground* **picks the plank**

[@pieV3000]

Picks up gun hits it like a baseball with the plank

[@brian-8674]

When the other person is out of ammo id throw the zip at him and say "here use this" then id proceed to beat him with the plank because he cant get the zip to fire.

[@sparda9060]

Of course you pick the plank, everyone knows how to use a plank than that zip gun lol...

[@hurk_lifeless_explorer7718]

*Picks up Richard Mask* HM2 reference

[@djraythefurry0420]

I'd still use the zip. But only two shots then I would use the second bullet toy head lol

[@donaldwycoff4154]

I will never gripe about field-stripping my 1911 ever again.

[@RKStrikerJK5]

I found your video through a forum thread about horrible business decisions. Really, really good. I swear this thing looks like it should be in a bad sci-fi movie.

[@itsconnorstime]

Doug Donnelly was so happy to find his half brother from Springfield he let him design a gun.

[@carlitoeverest2229]

The company I worked for was contracted by him to build the guns and so many times we tried to give suggestions to make it better but Doug was to hard headed with his big head

[@gestaposantaclaus]

The game ‘Cruelty Squad’ has this gun as a secret weapon. And yes, it’s prone to failure lol.

[@dr.freshmemes3696]

There's a 1/3 chance it does nothing another third it hurts you and a final third that it actually shoots

[@junioraltamontent.7582]

Zippy 3000. Spent a solid 2 hours in front of that damn slot machine. I knew it was garbage but still got excited when it finally dropped. Then the joy quickly faded when I found out just how garbage it actually is.

[@gestaposantaclaus]

@@junioraltamontent.7582 Forgotten Weapons has a review of the gun here on KZbin.

[@massivive]

@@gestaposantaclaus can I get a link to that?

[@Colin_Nelson]

@@danialyousaf6456 which video? You didn't post a link

[@snail2755]

Best gun in cruelty squad.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

6:28 Ah yes, let's put part of the controls where the bullets come out. Brilliant!

[@stonegiant4]

Gun Jesus never speaks ill of a firearm. So you can tell how bad this one must be by his unabashed used of the descriptor "garbage"

[@medicalmanport1136]

they have crazy feeding problems and jams it's a good idea terrible execution

[@jasondoe2596]

Medical Man Port, uhmmm, no, it's not even "a good idea". How could such horrid ergonomics be considered a good idea? And yes, the execution makes it even worse.

[@GruntBurger]

If Judas made a gun...

[@Fuzzyburritto93]

He doesn't speak that good about every gun

[@Fuzzyburritto93]

That Terminator shotgun

[@VulpeRenard]

"It's the world's safest pistol!" How do you charge it? "You put your hand in front of the barrel!"

[@xsterawesome]

If I recall correctly when they were marketing this I think you were supposed to use those charging handles against the edge of a table. I don't remember where I heard that but I'm pretty sure I heard that from someone back when they were originally making this I really wanted one of them I thought it was the neatest thing ever but alas I wasn't 21 yet.

[@xsterawesome]

@Roderick storey Hey, you don't have to point it down you can always push it against the edge of the table keeping it horizontal. So you accidentally shoot your friend in the spleen instead. Okay, I'm not saying it was a good idea or good design, it was just *neat* okay.

[@VulpeRenard]

"It's the world's safest pistol!" How is that possible? "It almost never fires when you pull the trigger!"

[@RobertMorgan]

Climb carefully down off that high horse (wouldn't want you to die in such a fall) and think about what you said for just a second: How safe is it? Being unloaded, perfectly safe. Hand in front of the barrel, whatever, it's NOT YET CHARGED! MEANWHILE, millions of Appendix Carry evangelicals are walking around with Glocks, Sigs, and XDs loaded, pointed at their cocks all day, saying 4 O'Clock IWB is wrong and unsafe. There's dumb bumblefucks posing as experts all over, it's an infinite resource.

[@goreobsessed2308]

It's not untrue he'll most don't fire lol

[@supergeek1418]

I'd be willing to bet that if you made a replacement bolt out of steel (or maybe even aluminum) that gun might just work properly.

[@noobpro9759]

15:23 I don’t know why but that little high pitch noise made me smile. I don’t know if it’s knowing that feeling of nearly loosing something or just the noise itself.

[@michaelvoorhees5978]

Cause you're gay

[@sennadehond3821]

“This is the world safest fire-arm!” *gets hit in the hand with the ejecting shell..

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

/then accidentally shoots finger off while charging the gun

[@tylersharp3943]

it's the safest for whoever you're aiming at

[@Redbird-dh7mu]

To be fair, the gun would need to be able to fire for that to happen.

[@EmbeddedWithin]

Should put arm in caps or indicated like *arms* to make the pun funnier

[@longleaf1217]

well seeing as its one of few that probably has never killed anyone I guess in a weird way you can say it did actually fulfil that.

[@LarryDavis2099]

Gotta love how the manual looks like one for a PS1 game, right down to the terrible t-shirts at the end.

[@boiledelephant]

I knew the format reminded me of something.

[@not-a-raccoon]

Yeah.. it was kinda vitreolic. And well earned.

[@amovy031]

Zippy 3000 mains rise up

[@tritoner1221]

Power in misery.

[@Nebsgame]

“I’m gonna fire it till it jams”, jams before even shooting

[@theblackbaron4119]

"Less comfortable than a two by four" I bet it's also less useful than a two by four.

[@serbianspaceforce6873]

The Black Baron using a 2x4 as a bat is more effective is more effective

[@marthaindahouse1010]

A two by four is a devastatingly potent weapon. The Zip 22 is also devastatingly potent, but to its users.

[@jameson1239]

A 2x4 probably has a better range

[@ryanoberfranc9664]

saw one of these in a gun shop last year. i though it was the funniest thing and the store owner knew nothing about it. it was next to a german C96 with stock, and a yugoslavian m57 tokerev. they had no magazines for it and it was priced at $250. the m57 was $700 and came with 2 mags, thay also had a tub full of yugo 7.62x25 for it aswell.

[@michaelvoorhees5978]

You should have bought it!!!!

[@iagodarriba1840]

I don't have the slightest idea of ​​firearm design, but I think that changing the bolt to a metal one and with an extractor would solve a lot of the problems with the operation of that thing.

[@ittasteslikeburning6895]

*Sees thumbnail* *knows nothing of the gun* "How could a gun be garbage? Once he unfolds it, it should be good" "Ohhh"

[@boiledelephant]

I was waiting for him to insert a magazine that would fill out the rest of the grip shape. Then he removed a little walnut of .22 goodness and I was like ".....oh. Oh dear."

[@MinecraftKarol2005]

that's exactly what i was thinking.

[@chill_octopus_8553]

in theory, you could put 2 of these on top of one another with the reverse rail

[@Shaun_Jones]

Yo dawg, I heard you like jams, so we put a Zip on your Zip so you can jam while you jam!

[@ninjaswordtothehead]

You may have discovered the only way to make this thing even harder to shoot. I'm impressed.

[@wurstelei1356]

Didn't they have a rail under the barrel as well ? You could build up an infinite stack of these.

[@lagg1e]

That's how you correctly dual wield the Zip. You screw them onto each other.

[@Ol_Durty_Badger]

I’ve heard the Vatican has had the rail mounts for the Zip’s taken off the market and locked in their Vault. As two Zips Connected together and firing both resulting in an “Über Jam” and thus beginning the chain of events that leads to the end of mankind.

[@allhonesty848]

I had a chance to buy one of these for about $150...sorta wish I had purchased it. I own a gun that has killed several people (my Great Grandfather's WW1 side arm) but not one that killed an entire company...that takes something special...

[@michaelvoorhees5978]

I paid 500 for mine recently

[@amogusenjoyer]

​@@michaelvoorhees5978is it rare?

[@davidreeding9176]

Anyone else thinking about that zippy only run where the guy shot at the politician for a solid 30 seconds and failed to hit him?

[@jimh4375]

How could it be possible to know enough about firearms to design this and not know enough too see the most hysterically obvious flaws?

[@wepntech]

a legit good question, but also fairly simple to answer. they never spent enough time testing the basic design to figure out those problems i don't think.

[@CrazyRandomLord]

It is a jagged brick with no way to hold! Why!!?

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

This looks like a Kickstarter scam, to be honest.

[@bob19611000]

greed

[@zacharywilliams6433]

no internet back then

[@talkingbtr-82a76]

Most guns kill animals or other humans but this one singlehandedly killed an entire company...

[@devilsoffspring5519]

When your new gun kills the whole company without firing a single round, you *know* that's serious firepower :)

[@corbinschad1]

How is there not more thumbs up on this comment. That was good.

[@emilbergstedt5967]

This gun is, most likely, still killing owners and passersby regularly. That being said it has probably saved a lot of people with failures. Jamming and the like.

[@emilbergstedt5967]

@@devilsoffspring5519 In this instance it's more likely a lack of firepower that did.

[@emilbergstedt5967]

@[ Soviet Maverick ] I know how to take a joke. I replied with one. I was surprised that someone missed it. ;)

[@amyminty3165]

The pamphlet included with the gun with all the extras (that don't exist) made me smile.. ".. with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.." haha

[@KrisLI1408]

It's really impressive for someone to came up with such a defected gun in such a matured industry.

[@marshallferron]

It's like a gun designed by someone who had never seen a handgun before. Or even a human hand.

[@marthaindahouse1010]

They were blind their whole lives, spun around for 16 hours on a centrifuge, and asked to draw a staple gun immediately after.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

This is the Windows 10 of guns ^^

[@duantorruellas716]

Or even a human hand hahahahah good one 👍

[@grubbybum3614]

I like the idea behind this gun. A sleek, ergonomic design that literally fits in your pocket (unlike other guns what make that claim). If they'd spent more time on design, it probably would have become a new standard for handguns.

[@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX]

Nintendo gun

[@valrabellkeys9867]

*Price goes up on gunbroker*

[@valrabellkeys9867]

@Hector Defendi I used to see them for around 100-200 at gun shows and now I see them running upwards of 200 on gb.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Gun Jesus has broad this artifact back to peoples minds, of course it goes up.

[@tenofprime]

There is something to be said for the failed gun collector aspect, kind of like collecting goofy prototypes and such.

[@owllymannstein7113]

Videos like these are exactly why I bought a .223 derringer and the awful Excel arms 5.7 target pistol.

[@valrabellkeys9867]

The prophecy came true .-.