Using Multiband Compression on the Master Fader

[@GavEMusic]

3:11 Graham : Lemme Increase the Gain a little bit Track : All I need is a little bit more (Vocalist singing)

[@andredimune6125]

jajajajajaja the magik of the music

[@joseomarvelazquezrios2410]

It's subtle, but man, it's awesome how improves the clarity of the song.

[@KS-ro4vc]

Listened to this with my eyes closed. Was waiting for you to say "now this is how it sounds not bypassed" then I opened my eyes to realize you were already going back & fourth between bypassed and not bypassed. Made me realize there was NO difference in sound. Then when I opened my eyes and watched there was a subtle difference. It's true that eyes will mislead your ears. When I saw him click bypass my mind almost changed how I heard it bc I was expecting a change. And a part of me almost wanted a change. Therefore I thought I heard a subtle change when in reality there was none. Placebo effect is real people. Listen with your ears. Do not try to listen with your eyes. They will only trick you into hearing what you WANT to hear.

[@gmrossi7863]

I can perfectly hear differences with my 50 dollars phone... 🤔🤔🤔

[@BukanIbuMu]

Check your ears

[@theAshesofDecember1]

I immediately tried this trick on a mix I've been working on and results were just instant. I wish I had know this ages ago

[@StanfordtheArtist]

I just did the same with a track I'm currently working on: Works like a charm!

[@mavicsofficial]

Liam Cronin Try LinMB as well...compare

[@theAshesofDecember1]

Are Grongstad LinMB??

[@michaellarsen180]

I would definately recommend this trick on a master with the LinMB. Made my mix POP! And made it go even smoother into the limiter in the end!

[@blqckpop]

Yeah, it works really well, but not on everything imho cuz it depends on what you have on your mix bus and how much compression you already have.

[@conanliquid]

To be honest I have never really got into multiband compression. I perhaps had become a bit stuck in my ways and after over 30 years in studios considered it a new fangled thing. I don't like change haha. Today when I woke up I thought I would do one thing that scared me. I decided on studying multiband compression. Starting with this video, as I own the C4 and have done for years (Despite never using it). Neat trick. I love Greg Wells anyway. I applied it to a mix I finished for a client yesterday using the outlined technique and immediately withdrew the mix and re-did it using this technique. Amazingly the difference is night and day, so I will definitely be using this technique more and studying MC a lot more. Thank you.

[@chriswellz5993]

I'm a little shocked how many engineers in here say they can't hear the difference. As subtle as they are, the differences are huge to my ears.

[@chapbot2023]

Chris Wellz calling them Engineers is a bit of a stretch LOL

[@JAKEAWAKEOFFICIAL]

Lol

[@crispsword56]

I"m not sure but i think the bass guitar can be felt a little more?

[@Gabriel_Mercado]

I can hear a difference on my phone. When I close my eyes it's super subtle but I can still feel the energy, it's not as flat. Nice trick.

[@SonicFortress]

its not even a well mixed track,lousy mixdown with zero difference with the c4

[@pianoatthirty]

It adds this interesting ebb and flow to the midrange. Without it everything seems to become static. Very cool technique, thank you!!

[@tae-inkim2014]

I've been using this technique with C6 from 2 years ago and it definitely changes the track. Here's my recipe. Just start from "PA Default" and set all the ranges to -4dB. Compress each areas by fading down the threshold until their compression is showing "quick compression", not "constant compression" (try not to compress a lot). Try to modify the Attack and Release to compression sounds like punchy (use Solo button to hear this) Set each gain to around +4.0 dB. Then you will notice subtle changes like this video.

[@joelybarish4618]

the change at 5:55 is pretty obvious but there's also a volume bump that muddies the A/B waters.

[@SernaJustin]

I mean... I listened through my desktop speakers and though subtle, I could still hear the difference. very sonically satisfying.

[@Rotey]

If only the C4 could fix the lyrics too 😂😂

[@iamanzio]

It can, look up the C4 tutorial with Tony Maserati

[@Melvin7727]

Savage

[@kingmoenc]

😢😂

[@dadude4960]

@@iamanzio the joke flew above your head mate

[@kylekriewaldt6308]

If only C4 could fix my life too

[@tonezmusic8758]

Very Helpful! You are a God send. Thank you for everything you do. Your tutorials are tremendously valuable to my growth as a producer.

[@Sky3RN]

Graham really rocks.

[@atomas59]

Same as Liam Cronin, I just tried it, and I really like the result. I got the Gold Bundle of Waves, at least a year ago, but got to admit, I haven't used half of it's plugIn yet. But surely , this one is a keep. Thanks for the "hint".

[@sirjcurry2182]

Appreciate your honesty re the messups you had and still may have. Some people act perfect they are dangerous teachers. When I teach, I let students know the truth and most respect me for that. I'll sub and keep in touch with your work. Keep rocking.

[@ricardoayala2023]

I think I will be using this a little bit more....thanks a lot for these eye opener. It really makes a difference, not a big one, but is noticeable.

[@michaellarsen180]

Graham my friend - this is gold! Gonna do something like this on every mix!

[@BobbyWashingtonvlog]

This mix is a bit muddy. But I love most Of Graham's mixes. As far as Multiband compression. I tend to use more parametric EQ'S to get the right mix. If a singer has tone issues I tend to record them line by line making sure I capture the tone constantly. If I don't have the singer available I'll copy the problem vocal to a separate track and EQ it accordingly

[@GikiOfficial]

HUGEEE LESSON This multiband comp probably go to my FIRST RELEASE Greets from México

[@skrappost7611]

Waves PLEASE BRING BACK ANOTHER SESSION WITH MR Dave Darlington, i cant get enough of him!

[@JugginMusic]

Hey man graham here from the recording revolution :)

[@A1GAZ1]

*Hey friend

[@OneHalfOfBent]

Note to everyone - Just my opinion but the Waves Linear MB is what you want on a master track (and I'd do it after mixing a pre-master down, not in real time), however this plug is better for live... But both are great multiband compressors... highly recommend the Fabfilter one too, it's beautiful.

[@JoePacheco]

Funny that all you needed was "a little bit more" ;) Interesting tip. I've stayed away from Multibands cause I've literally destroyed things with it. Lately however, I'm starting to understand where and how to use it better. Thanks!

[@Klimexetixs]

I think that the difference might be less noticeable than it would be normally. KZbin compression might blur the dynamics of the comparison, of the whole audio of this video. I tried multiband compression on stereo bus and the change in dynamics seemed bigger than here for me.

[@datathug]

Graham, you're truly a treasure.

[@89mrhuey]

wow i never knew this, learn something everyday, i definitely will implement this method in my mixes to test out

[@rashaderwin1459]

Graham is the man! His videos are VERY helpful!

[@Rolanoid]

I've used the C4 on the master buss before with great results but was wondering if it's on the master buss would the Waves Linear Phase Multiband be a better option?

[@mashzmash]

Agreed. Unless it's a live situation where you need the low latency (in which case I'd sooner grab a C6 over a C4), a linear phase filter would be my choice on a master bus. Plus you get the adaptive option with LinMB, which is basically magic.

[@pk10pk]

Yes it will be a better option.

[@mavicsofficial]

Rolanoid Yes !

[@stromkraftnet]

There are quite a few of those that prefer the sound of the C4/C6 despite not being as neutral as LinMB. It's good to have options.

[@oliverpresta651]

@@mashzmash what makes the linear phase multiband preferrable in this situation? what does it do differently?

[@JakeLondonRivers]

Everyone talking about not hearing subtle differences. Welcome to the world of music production. A thousand subtle differences that becomes the difference between a radio hit and a garage band song.

[@SecretAgentPaul]

Jake Rivers - Yeah, because this masterpiece sure went screaming up the charts.

[@juliannegron1995]

Great explanation. Just bought this plugin I know it's going to be worth it! 🎚

[@diversekcox]

Should I use the Vitamin and Linear Phase on the same chain?

[@Therealav]

tried this and it worked great ! Thanks Graham

[@karayuschij]

I am new to Cubase. The first thing that I noticed is that there is no Master Fader in the mixer (something absurd for me)!!! So how to create a Master fader, and how to always have it as default in the mixer?

[@Rakoah]

My Man Graham ! Recording Revolution is a cool channel 8)

[@epycedits]

I can't ever tell the difference between the before and after on these compression videos 😂😂😂

[@MonstarMk3]

Anyone know the ratio of the bands? I don't have the C4, but I have a multiband comp that works very much the same. The ratio is the only thing i can't find.

[@deepspacemusicofficial9671]

If you use Multiband compression in the mix before mastering..... Do we have to use it again while mastering the track ??? Or have to use only once either while mixing or mastering?

[@cyclops4real]

i ignore compression for mastering once i add compression during mixing (master fader)

[@bloodsweattones]

I can hear the tonal difference on my Huawei P9 speakers so I don't understand why others can not. Two things I can point out is more energy in the drums especially snares/hihats and the vocal sits better in the mix. When Graham bypasses I can really hear the vocals loose the center spotlight. Try listen for it.

[@NikolaouProductions]

Hello there! So I am mixing and mastering for my study course some live concerts and I used this technique with the multiband compressor. Could you please tell me where did Greg Wells refere to this technique exactly?

[@its1amsomewhere]

Using the preset, does it matter what genre you use this for?

[@ghdrum]

How do you know where to place the bands? Everyone seems to do it differently. I've fallen into a habit of placing bands at 120hz, 1K, and 10k.....

[@JosefwitdaCoatOn]

Throw that J37 tape plug in on after it, I think there’s a fat mastering setting and you should be good to go... I throw a limiter too and boost the gain

[@sammytheman8994]

On the mastering, should you do Both a compressor AND multiband compressor, or one or the other?

[@IanRLewis]

Can I use it in the second to last insert and the L2 on the last? I have been doing that since the first time I saw this video. Or is it better to use it on the last insert, do a bounce, and open up a completely different session for mastering? I mix 7 days a week when I'm writing my stuff so any help would be appreciated. I can tell you that what I have been doing gets much better results than online mastering but all I need is just a little bit more lol.

[@antograph225]

I don't understand why so many people say they don't hear any diffrence. I mean sure the diffrence isn't that big but it's quite easy to hear and it actually sounds really good. I guess it's a matter of knowing what you are listening for. For exemple I know that my brother doesn't hear the diffrence between poor and great audio quality just because he is not into music that much so that's an extreme exemple but that's kinda of the same thing I guess. At the end of the day you decide if you want the plugin or not, so if you don't hear any diffrence I would probably suggest you to not get it haha but I personally think it's great :D

[@daviddouze]

I have doubt so compressing the mid bands and giving makeup gain will highlight the vocals right ? Please give me reply sir thank you

[@silentt2143]

It could, and it could mess the vocals up as well. It is all relative to your specific mix, and without hearing it, a direct answer is near impossible.

[@daviddouze]

@@silentt2143 so is there any way to highlight the vocals in mastering ? Not in mixing

[@silentt2143]

David Douze well I would say that the vocals should be the loudest track in the song. So if you have problems hearing the vocals, then the frequencies may be clashing. Meaning you have too much mid-end instruments playing at one time. You should try EQing before anything else. To answer your question directly, the vocals should be highlighted before you get to your mastering stage, in my opinion.

[@daviddouze]

@@silentt2143 got it thank you

[@balloonxm]

Great tutorial! Wish there was a little bit more though

[@gmichaelhall]

Thanks Graham, just to be clear, you put this AFTER your mix compressor, and are just seating mid transients before hitting your output limiter? Kind regards, ✌️

[@Coqui-Media]

Is that a sticky tack or what? Hope you will be posting the completed mix. Reminiscent of classic Joel! :)

[@LazyKatDesigns]

Hi, Are you not mistaking the C4 for the Linear Phase Multiband? That's what Greg Wells uses on the master to make it sound more like a record. The phase being effected which is better if you're tweaking the master bus.

[@Mike-nf6nf]

I'd love to try these tips but I can't get REAPER to see my Waves plug-ins, despite following the instructions from Waves' own article for getting REAPER to see Waves plug-ins.

[@bluezy1]

Mike poor guy

[@producerfuji_official]

So my question you said to use it at the end of your chain but say you are using a limiter would it go before or after thee limiter on your master chain fader ?????

[@yi382]

Limiter ALWAYS comes last

[@producerfuji_official]

@@yi382 oh ok thank you 🙏🏽

[@yi382]

No problem, the reason is the limiter ashures you that you wont go over 0db or otherwise you would clip and if you have ANYTHİNG after the limiter the possibility of it adding even just the most little gain would bring you over 0db and the whole track would clip and sound horrible so even if somebody says last in the chain remember the limiter has to be even after that so whatever happens you are not over 0db on the master fader

[@CubaseAcademy]

Thanks for the video. I am going to try this right now :)

[@milmar_echoes]

xD take a preset set the volumes and admire the tool. good job, really helpful tip, once again!

[@deszczak]

Two videos on one day!? oh.. it's Waves' channel..

[@oscaroskiozz132]

Graham after i mix down my audio track it's too compress i can't do mastering

[@musicproductionvideos5019]

What is that release set to... 5 seconds? 50 ms? thanks

[@tysk_dt]

i'd actually like to hear the full song

[@BobbyElliottav]

Just tried this....AWESOME!!!

[@networkunplugged]

Great tip! I try today.

[@adityamaanas9470]

It's very very very very subtle

[@MikeSpexTV]

"All I need is a lil bit more" c4multi compression. Lol. Those lyrics fit the tutorial too well. 😂😂

[@gigi78222]

😂😂😂

[@AudioEcstasyProd]

Shouldn't you fine tune the attk/rel to the song?

[@soanandsonam]

YOU ROCK MAN!!!!

[@raykash1673]

Real nice video

[@ramsthebeatmaker1178]

i closed my eyes when he was hitting the bypass button and i didnt notice a diffrence

[@victorpilao829]

probably you dont have a good reference headphone or speaker , the difference is small

[@triple_x_r_tard]

it's particularly hard to hear over youtube without great monitors, but, yes it barely did anything. i can hear the difference, it is a slight smoothing, gluing effect.

[@williambaumert7726]

I didn't either until I wore headphones

[@psyavageyft4839]

I always duplicate tracks and multiband each track sounds great just touch different frequencies on each track and play with the faders so ur not peaking

[@prefeb1]

Me too never noticed any

[@TJPactronix]

Inspiring lyrics

[@LuCkICaesar]

Does this technique work only with stems inside of a main mix or can you use it effectively on a two track without the compression hurting the mix?

[@buddypeterson3354]

the original mix sounds too limited to me

[@Miyuk9p]

What's the name of this song?

[@besimbaftiu]

I use L3 Multi from Waves on Master Fader, the last one. It Rocks, bring life to sound.But I think you have to be careful how to treat that.

[@krewsoul8043]

GRAHAM please recommend best cheap mic for my home studio please

[@Iyamcole]

but its also worth mentioning that adding a non-linear multiband compressor creates a phase shift. Dynamic eq is a better tool for mastering

[@Iyamcole]

because it doesn't split it into bands

[@Iyamcole]

waves has a plugin called linear multiband compressor that is good for this, and the fabfilter mb has a linear phase option

[@OwainOwine]

"I'm taking c4 and adding instant energy to my mix" steady on son think about think about the children!!

[@HitWaveMusic]

All I need is a little bit more.

[@amsedelm]

I def hear the difference. Nice!!!

[@lumar_musica]

Maybe the reason why a lot of people (including me) don't listen any difference is because the youtube audio quality is 128kbps, so don't spect to listen every single detail of mastering in that quality of sound

[@lumar_musica]

I'm using Yamaha HS 7 as speakers, and not a notable difference...

[@TrueGritProductions]

dope

[@bjornthomas4632]

wow thats huge. thx

[@j1thegod]

What's the song called?

[@getonurkneesOH]

It's a song by him, from the latest songwriting challenge that he did i think, you can find that on his channel

[@enigmazach]

"Never Satisfied" by Graham Cochrane

[@annother3350]

Did he write it about the compressor?!

[@andysign5937]

I love you Graham

[@sirwanmusic]

Song name please?

[@SeriousTipStudio]

Hello, you should have used the L3 waves Multimaximizer. The C4 is not the best tool for this.

[@ryanzarrillo9199]

ALL I NEED IS A LITTLE C4! ALL I NEED IS A LITTLE C4!

[@bigstevedzn2353]

I’m so sorry no one recognized this golden comment

[@lifewhyz]

And I'm 667. Let the evil be gone!! lol Cool video Graham. Thanks for the technique!

[@milanbudecevic]

Nice tune :)

[@bebenzomusic]

LOL, listened with eve sc205 in good acoustics, also with hd600 and didn't hear difference....

[@royabelrh]

Nice!

[@ppdlive]

Awesome.

[@buddypeterson3354]

it had movement with c4

[@chrisjones1906]

It is hilarious that the name of the song is "A Little Bit More!"

[@gabet3754]

Graham is singing about his compressor

[@claytonmurrayguitar]

Holy hell. WOW.

[@YngHstlr]

He just needs a little bit more

[@chetanrandive9892]

Nice song

[@vogelofficial]

I think it needs a little bit more.

[@TheIcypancakes81]

What does the vocalist need? It's killing me!

[@Robangledorf]

whatever it is he needs more of it

[@russellcarter6451]

But how much do you need? That is the question 😏

[@Wil_Dsense]

All he needs is a little bit more... Multiband Compression... :D

[@CIABU]

All i need is a little bit more volume 🏃🏾‍♂️

[@scopsmusicproductionandcom3926]

lol yeah I thought about that too. Except I was going to type "compression". :D