Uspsa Idpa Ipsc - its many flaws

[@djphillips109]

That's classified information. But it all made perfect sense to me. Kudos tI him for posting it. Wbat have you done?

[@libra7624]

It's public info, the rules organizations list, I point out flaws

[@libra7624]

Competitive shooting sports want to look fast, that's why the targets are substandard and they have no real world good standard of incapacitation by using real vitals and the sizes they are supposed to be for kill zones, I trigger competitive shooting sports members because I see poor training yet the public gets deceived thinking double taps on 3 targets missing vitals means 3 guys magically incapacitated in real life, it's rubbish and nonsense

[@michaelschuerhoff]

So what's your classification?

[@libra7624]

Doing my oun shooting and observations, let's start with size of target, do you agree or disagree A zone is to big or small ? If so explian how my possition is wrong

[@michaelschuerhoff]

@@libra7624 I'm ambivalent. It's a shooting problem to be solved, not a gunfight. If realism is your goal, 2d targets aren't going to be a 1:1 accurate representation because the world is not 2d. What medical journal or study are you basing your hypothesis that the A-Zone is too large? The USPSA Metric target lower A-zone is 16.2545 Square Inches. The average human heart is 17.5 Square Inches in frontal area (per wikipedia and L x W math). I really don't understand how you're making a valid point, and you simply deflected my valid question of what your shooting skill is that gives you the requisite subject matter expertise to make a determination. So, what is the definition of "Doing my oun shooting and observations?" My channel is rather new, so there's limited footage to prove my proficiency, but my Instagram schuerhoff_shooting has a plethora. In closing, it doesn't always have to be a gunfight. Sometimes it can be for fun or just a skill building exercise wherein a standardized target, regardless it's dimensional issues, is a useful yardstick.

[@libra7624]

I tend to trigger and upset shooting organizations so any debate we need to discuss one flaw at a time, the rules of competitive shooting is public info so I am aware of rules and poor tactics I see that is far from defense training we need today compared to actual documented defense incidences private citizens are in, not including military and police, those incidences are a different mission and defense experience the the private citizen and out of context

[@michaelschuerhoff]

@@libra7624 how many matches have you attended? Tactics isn't shooting. USPSA is a shooting sport, not a tactics sport. Isolating skills is common in all aspects of fitness and training. How is reps of problem solving with a gun (the action pistol sports) a negative thing if your aim is to increase your skill at shooting as accurately and as fast as possible?

[@libra7624]

@@michaelschuerhoff the context of the video is flaws in competitive shooting, I am aware of competition shooting and tactical shooting, I use both varients in my personal training, including stealth training Wich is a forgotten art in shooting. it's irrelevant that I be in a organization or how many years I have been shooting because of the fact the rules in the organization are public info and videos are public to youtube for me to see and observe, a person doesn't have to be in a shooting organization to know shooting any more then a mechanic needs to be in a automotive organization to know how to fix a car, same thing with a UFC fighter, doesn't have to be in a organization to know what he is doing, I could give many more examples then that, so it's irrelevant for me to need any label or title when the rules are public info and videos public so I can have a analysis on using logic and reason, also on the range setting up similations so I can see more flaws in the sport

[@Typhoonbladefist]

Decades ago they were more about developing firearm skills for defensive use but have evolved into a sport. You should judge these organizations by whether or not they achieve their currently stated goals/descriptions. They don’t claim to be about simulating real life gun fights or combat training. Today, they are about creating a fun, safe, competitive, environment and community. And in the case of the IDPA, was to have competitions that focused on using practical equipment rather than the impractical customized weapons used in the USPSA. If these organizations claim to be about simulating real life combat situations, then your points are entirely valid. In the end, they’re just competitive sports. I’d look at them as somewhere between shooting at a range and military training.

[@libra7624]

The problem is even if a sport the mind set goes into real life with poor training and the general public that doesn't know any better think it's defensive training when it's more of a sport meaning they will be so pumped up from timers they in real life will make hasty dicisions like shooting a friendly because on the range they just dock points rather then disqualify, in the real world you can't take back that bullet, the training teaches you to move faster then you can make emergency dicisions, the emphasis is only on speed for most, also in real life 3 targets are not magically incapacitated by double taps to each, especially when the A zone is not even close to a vital organ, it's not John wick out in the open all falling down, competitive shooting give you a mind set of self ambush out in the open, or busting out of cover with quick double taps possibly wounding or killing a innocent person, and it's not just a sport, police use the same type of running out of cover like competitive shooters killing and wounding innocent people, shooting people that don't need to be shot taught by timers on the range, also improper use of cover coming out to fast and they themselves getting killed from poor training, so even though it's a sport it has real world bad consequences because it teaches a false mind set that is a emphasis only on speed almost to a golden calf worship level

[@Typhoonbladefist]

@@libra7624 Do people really think of it as defensive training? I don’t, because like you, I see the many flaws of it but I see it as more of a fun competition, something I’ve considered trying. To some it’s like living out some modern type of cowboy shootout. I mean IPSEC literary has a cowboy action shooting category 😂 I can’t see how people would take this as serious training these days. Regardless I’m sure most people will react differently when they realize that their life and the lives of others are in danger, and will get out of that sport mindset very quickly when bullets start flying. Do you honestly think people are going to disregard human life because they participated in a sport where a bad shot was a point deduction instead of disqualification? There are actual defensive firearms training programs people take when they want to learn actual fundamentals. How could anyone really confuse actual training with these competitions anyway? The IDPA could be considered the closest thing to training, hover they clearly state in their rulebook that it is a self-defense scenario-based sport, (which is therefore not training.) They also state that their primary focus is on universally accepted gun handling skills that are safe and sound. I mean, you need to read the rulebook to participate and the rulebook doesn’t claim this is actual training. To me, it seems like it’s obviously a game, and I feel most people see it the same way.

[@libra7624]

@@Typhoonbladefist the point is the competitive shooting sports need reform, it's just no one has the guts to mention it, it's considered some how wrong to challege a organization not necessarily trying to change it but mention flaws in that sport training that doesn't mirror real defense, because of their timers and lightning fast speed they deceive the general public into thinking it's defense training, so many errors competitive shooting has not set by you and me but the organization

[@Typhoonbladefist]

@@libra7624 you are not wrong about these competitions being flawed. You say it’s deceiving the general public, and maybe it is, but the general public aren’t the ones doing these competitions. The general public is pretty dumb when it comes to firearms in general anyway. The general public are taking courses from actual instructors and wouldn’t even be remotely good enough to qualify for these competitions. The people that qualify, for the most part, would know better. Knowledgeable and experienced people, perhaps like yourself, would be the people that would be the ones competing. The people I have talked to, that have done these competitions, understand the flaws, understand what they really should be doing, and they recognize that it’s just a flawed game.