Comet Catcher Is Something Else... (BAR Road to Rank #1)

[@PedroGarcia-fl1fu]

we need more BAR content please... this game is awesome! I want see nuclear missiles hahahaHAHAHA And camera in close zoom is much funny for us to watch... in zoom out is only some dots in screen...

[@wozo9210]

i nuked my first person in a multiplayer match today and it was more satisfying than any sc2 win ive ever had haha

[@Honkwaddle]

Learning more about the t2 stage is perhaps easier in team games, but in general it's best to upgrade some of your economy before you start producing t2 units. Advanced mexes product 4x the metal of a basic mex, which is how in the second game your opp managed to keep up the bull production despite having less map control. Striking the balance between eco and army production comes with experience but it's a joy to see how fast you're picking it up in real time! Also, as a BAR composer, it means a lot to hear your appreciation for the music ❤ -Leon

[@ben10lol]

It's very refreshing to see a skilled player work their way through learning a new PvP game. The win in your first replay was very satisfying.

[@morganjeffs2439]

Crazy to see someone so good at SC flounder so much in BAR! They really are very different games. You should play more Comet, it's *the* classic 1v1 map.

[@Goku15732l]

This game has so much to learn

[@atlasfailedatlas1557]

It's amazing how much uthermal is able to accomplish with so little eco. Once he figures out how to eco scale, he will be very strong.

[@luka188]

The macro in this game is very very different from SC2, so that takes a while to get used to.

[@peytongibbs2171]

Before I even watch the video I just gotta say, please don't feel pressured into defaulting to a zoomed out map. Watching you playing BAR zoomed in SC2 style is such a unique and fun experience, and I'd be bummed to see that change.

[@shakalpro]

Yeah, my opinion aswell, an unique way of playing BaR. My only tip/frustration ^^ , game wise, he needs more Build Power, one construction tower. But that is the major difference with other RTS's "build power".

[@TheBabababa]

Of all the non SC2 RTS you have played, this one is the most fun to watch. That second game made it look like you had it in the bag at first. I guess advanced resource extractors are really good.

[@ChecedRodgers]

Wow you've got Laudy, Randy, and Ptaq watching. Always a treat to see a Starcraft pro drop in and give BAR a spin!

[@朕是神]

You really should expand more. BAR is not like starcraft, the resources are all over the place intead of concentrated at each mineral lines, and it takes forever to scout the map and launch an attack. Plus the money you spend on an epansion that gets killed is a lot less compared to SC2. You can just spam metal extractor all over and only start building turrets on the further expos after you get a decent amount of income. Excluding when the constructor also gets killed, it takes something like 20~30 seconds for a metal extractor to pay for itself, so risky expansions don't really risk that much.

[@AntoniGawlikowski]

naked expand is a two-handed sword and a balancing act. When someone rushes you with ticks you will regret not investing in 1 LLT at a 3mex :P

[@leafykille]

Expand like you are zerg on the largest map you know of, and you're probably still not expanding fast enough. Sure you do need weapons soon, but it's probably viable to start with a construction unit.

[@AntoniGawlikowski]

@@leafykille On the last point we certainly agree - con start is almost always a good thing :)

[@luka188]

Depending on the map size, con start can be the best build order, but if its a smaller map, you'll want to be careful with that because ticks and rovers are very fast and will cross the map before you have any defenses or units up and can do a lot of early damage. So usually it's good to build at least 2 units first, especially just a few ticks before the first con, to have some vision and basic defense in case the opponent also rushes some ticks or rovers. The loss of taking early damage is worse than the slight eco slowdown from building a few scouting units first.

[@poimaster]

expanding and dropping llt as you go is fine. Just never forget to keep expanding

[@MaikJansohn]

My Favorite RTS Gamer plays the most interesting RTS (ImO). Please keep doing this UThermal ! Hope you have fun and keep climbing the Ranks

[@joshmeyer8172]

Game 1: "Don't think I'm gonna be playing this map again after this game I'll be honest" (10:51) Game 2: *more Comet Catcher*

[@Anubis7169]

If you ever see full metal and energy and not certain what to do next, always default to just "build metal storage with commander" helped me out a lot. Although, your idea of "build solar" is the next best option too.

[@atlasfailedatlas1557]

Or just build more con turrets

[@CamiloCBG]

Add factories.

[@luka188]

@@CamiloCBG No. You don't add factories. You add build power.

[@redfiveg]

1v1 you add factories go air or land

[@CamiloCBG]

@@redfiveg yes

[@russellinator]

13:40 "proper freaking robbed." for sure, hahahaha!

[@majmage]

Tossing a sacrificial comment into the maw of The Almighty Algorithm for more BAR content. EDIT: Also dang that first game was fire haha! I still think you should be careful about the weird "surround move order", since a few of your troops moved _out_ of range of the commander and stopped firing at it because of where you drew the line.

[@atlasfailedatlas1557]

I liked that move. Your army is more difficult to dgun and you do flanking damage.

[@majmage]

@@atlasfailedatlas1557 Well the better move is still going to space troops out, it's going to be a concave line in front of the commander rather than a convex in back of it. That way your troops (a) spread out and (b) surround in a sensible way. Now if this wasn't a really important moment, and we're talking about 1 second of micro time in an unimportant battle, then sure what he did is perfectly fine. Because the disadvantage of the concave-in-front-of-commander is your troops will stop moving and so if the enemy commander moves away (while you're not watching) then he just escapes. But if you have 5+ secs to sit there micromanaging, then concave is the right choice.

[@chrismendez7163]

Don't forget you can grid build instead of just dragging in a line. Also, I found that the "repeat" build function on factories is super helpful in massing your army.

[@chrismendez7163]

Also advanced metal extractors once t2 constructors are available.

[@MrNortySpock]

And if you poke in the settings you can make repeat the default factory mode

[@PenitentChaplain]

If you start solars, 2 is the normal amount before lab. Looking forward to more BAR content.

[@borgassimilator8910]

this map is also the ultimate video bitrate destroyer

[@AuditService-t6w]

Good game! Thanks for casting BAR match!

[@wantabiz]

Playtip: When starting the base -> Create mexes then a single solar first then create lab and while creating the lab create a new solar and switch between the lab and the solar to maximize your Energy usage. I'm not a pro, I'm not telling you what to do, but this something I personally do. Keep creating great content! groetjes ;)

[@Dba6p]

He finally built an advanced solar lmfao. Made it to T2 in a match and never bult the advanced constructor, oof. I love your work, more please!

[@ZachRE88]

I love how many high OS bar players are in your chat. Keep it coming!

[@nickxplore4265]

Yeeeeeeees bro keep BAR coming! Post a few occassional ones on your main channel too, we need this game to explode! Edit: In the first game you banked CRIIIIIIIIMINALLY much.... Construction turrets are your friend, my friend. They allow you to spend more per second, which you HAAAAAAAAAAVE TO DO, otherwise you have 10 mex but an output of having 6 so 4 are total waste

[@joshleap]

Fun to see you playing BAR. I hope harstem follows you over.

[@tamedelement]

keep the BAR coming :) love the zoomed in style

[@sircactuspad]

19:35 I think its more of their aim speed is really low. they can shoot sideways, but they move past something faster than their turret can turn, so they're more likely to shoot ahead or behind.

[@gesund-drauf]

Its my favorite map, but my 1 vs. 1 OS is only between 26-32. I hope to see more BAR Content from you, its great!

[@gesund-drauf]

p.s. you need much more construction turrets.

[@HollowJGaming]

The first game ending was amazing. Haha!

[@Doominator10]

Comet Catcher is ptsd inducing from Scenario 19 XD Oh hey its Flaka!

[@13BulliTs]

Wow MightySheep was watching your content!

[@lukespooner4]

A general build order tip: get one construction turret built before you roam with your commander.

[@leafykille]

Lol nice ending :D

[@tycrenshaw6968]

use ctrl + alt when building building is it super useful. There is more to it than that but I believe in you.

[@igam4fun]

you need to send your commander out soon on this map and take a quarter or half front with llts while you get bare mexes behind that and have main army middle, you need to scale build power more, for example at 4:50 you needed 1 con turret on base, for more power use commander to make solar on the way to the front (never have commander idle early game, always have long queue on him, you want him to push your main front as he is op unit early game), and have 1 dedicated con at base constantly pumping out solars until you have 500-600 energy at least, then it depends if you go T2 but usually for 1v1 you would go for second T1 air or vehicles around 11-12 minutes

[@theendofconfusion]

I love seeing you play BAR!

[@timoschofer2035]

I didn't remember i played u already unless i saw game 1. It felt like the federal reserve got robbed - total bankruptcy. I remember that game lol. Game 2 was comeback time. Iirc i used your wrecks to go t2 and immediately did go for t2 con to close the economical gap. I guess during the transition u might have had 3x the income from mexes.

[@mikeshivak]

Can't wait to see what kind of game would take therm into T3 😅

[@CamiloCBG]

A 6 hour match?

[@Epinephrine86]

I need go look in to this game. Getting massive Total Annihilation vibes!

[@poimaster]

Upgrading your metal extractors quickly once you hit t2 helps you scale quickly

[@enricomoro9925]

This might be a dumb question, but in 1vs1 doesn't your opponent always spawn in a specular way to yourself ?

[@Anubis7169]

Im not sure what you mean. Youre both spawned inside a bounding box wherein the specific spot is your choice. Both boxes should, in theory, be similar and fair to one another.

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

there are options you can change for starts. either, game picks for both, or you can set start boxes for you to both choose where to start within an those areas.

[@DarkSaruman]

I would love it if you showed us a view of the lobby before you start the game so that we can see how high your OS is :)

[@Caleb-bg6hm]

Might be me, but the textures are SUPER blurry whenever you shift the camera. Great vid tho! Loving the series fr!

[@tpioesmten2824]

If you're low on metal you can reclaim more of the stuff you've build, especially regualr solars, advanced solars are a lot more efficient and t2 stuff is more efficient aswell

[@klapauzius9401]

@uThermal when will we see some 4vs4s or 8vs8s? :) I would love that!

[@andrewstout5400]

upgrade metal extractor tech or reclaim after battles better so you keep the metal flowing. pretty good show!

[@yang8244]

can you please play some smaller maps as well? also please enable TS in the playerlist so we can see both your true skill and the opponents.

[@Mordenperson]

You're never on when I'm on, I just want to play you once, what times do you usually play? When is the next time you are gonna play? I am 33~ OS 1v1. Also you can queue 100 units at once with I think ctrl click or something like that.

[@thedanyesful]

Looks very fun, and linux native! wow.

[@Nil-js4bf]

uThermal clearly has way more map awareness than most BAR players even with SC2 level zoom. We just have to wait until he focuses more on figuring out the macro which is massively different from SC2. Probably shouldn't be floating 1.6k metal at 5:55 or 1.9k metal at 22:40. I suspect he just needs to build more construction bots and a nano earlier and to always be building out his energy economy (which is trivial since BAR lets you queue things without resources) but I'm sure actual BAR players are already backseating this kind of advice to him already.

[@CoPaVolvo]

What total annihilation mod is this? I remember playing this online with Mplayer in 1998

[@StuartMclean1]

Lol dude. Ye ol rush the com. Playing 1v1 is better to gain OS. But team games will give you perspective and dynamic. You were wasting metal=con Turrets should have been out earlier. Or advanced solars. Remember a solar collector is essentially a power generating metal storage. U reclaim it for full value as you use that to scale ur eco to larger production centers. 2x T1 converters = 1 mex. So not taking advantage of that early is silly. E storage is there for heavier requirements but not necessary when ur running on solar. Again the con Turrets can eliminate that need for storage. SHOULD rather. Ur com is a turret so to speak so plant an LLT on the opposite side of the direction u choose to move ur com out. Also ur radar placement was behind a mountain. It cut half the scope out. I use camera anchors too. Usually bind f1 to main overview. F2 to base. F3 to first point of contact or front line and f4 enemy's base or dynamic. Well done though. I like ur casts. -Half_Robot

[@BodoMusic1337]

Holy compression artifacts. Could you record in higher quality and a higher bitrate...?

[@DowsaTV]

Wow, geometry dash and star craft had a baby. Congrats.

[@Darksiege357]

Dont neglect Energy and metal storage if you are wasting resources. otherwise it is a good sign that you could risk teching up

[@PastelitoBombon]

What an awesome game

[@ryangonzales6542]

I think once you learn more about the macro you will get very good at BAR. The eco management is soo important. You should try some 3v3 or 4v4 so you have a little less army pressure and more time to figure out eco mechanics and timings

[@dskinnerify]

Robbery OP

[@oceaneffex]

lets gooooooo

[@XDrippingxXBlood]

you know you can spend resources before they are in? just start the solar if you need it

[@CoolTI-Daniel]

Very nice games. On the second one you seem to started super well but didn't scale well in the t2 era. Didn't upgrade your Mex and took long for advanced solar. Needed a couple advanced constructors... Also so much wasted metal and energy, you could have gotten to T2 far before him.... but yea, who am I to talk, it's different when playing and the reality is I suck. I recommend watching some Brightworks casted games... we learn a lot from it and since you are a pro gamer... would make you far better seeing how the Pros in BAR scale.

[@Nuovoswiss]

I'm surprised drops of long-range units weren't used in the early/mid game in response to lots of T1 turrets. Long-range units are painfully slow, but once the opponent has made massive investments in static defenses, it seems safe to get air production online to drop artillery/rocket units out of turret range and blast the extractors, or even the turrets themselves.

[@hkl2007]

They suck vs units, you make arty/rocketbots in 1v1 = you die, at max you make like 1 or 2

[@timmietimmins3780]

It is just very very expensive. If the enemy goes heavy into porc, it makes far more sense to transition to vehicles, which can easily just run over porc. Brute/stout smashes LLT's through brute force, and then you can repair them for free. but stouts are also just good at brawling, defending, and raiding, which air transports are not good at. The T1 vehicle transition is quite common in 1v1, because generally speaking, vehicles just outmaneuver bots while being able to engage many of the faster bots efficiently in combat. Really, in this game, porc just isn't that scary. Uthermal doesn't have a proper unit comp yet (you need scouts for stouts as they can't see as far as they can shoot, and pawns can't know they are blundering into LLT's without tick support as they don't have the sight range to match light laser tower attack range). This is why he is taking losses, really, because he is just building pure pawn/stout, with no ticks or rovers mixed in, which he 100% should be doing. It would cost him basically nothing just to have his comp be like 10-20% tick, by build queue. Also, he doesn't have forward radar, which would also immediately warn you "hey, you are walking into half a dozen enemy units with your pure pawn army here, maybe don't do that". Also, long range units AREN'T painfully slow. The rocket bot is the standard counter to this type of porc in 8v8 (light laser towers) and it is over 50 speed, which is a lot better than the commander and better than thug/mace and centurions. It's WHY thugs lose to rocket bots, because they can just retreat forever due to their fast movement speed. You can have rocket bots knocking over light laser towers way before it's practical to air transition.

[@Nuovoswiss]

@@hkl2007 Seconding what Timmie said. In that game (especially in the early/mid game) he was floating resources out the wazoo, so adding some air transports and artillery would have been fine. They wouldn't have to fight any opposition, just require micro to evac which uThermal has in spades.

[@hkl2007]

@@Nuovoswiss He needed to add more buildpower, unit comp wasn't the issue, issue was poor macro.

[@klapauzius9401]

until u get the Buildpower always leave one, two or better more cons boosting the lab! Labs have so low BP Thats why u did not get rid of ur metal a about min 5

[@SindarinElealar]

This game kinda gives me Total Annihilation vibes.

[@SaltyChickenLips]

This is Total Annihilation modernised

[@SindarinElealar]

@@SaltyChickenLips Makes sense.

[@miklsnegeyev1845]

What is you game name tag for BAR

[@lucathewolf8047]

Is this a supreme commander 2 copy or am i tripping? Or the first one, i only played the second one so i'm not sure but it looks and plaus literaly like it, the name is the thing confusing me 😂

[@jay429429]

lol on game 2 you let your t2 economy stall for like half the game. That dude built fusions and converters, You out microd him so hard. But as soon as he went t2 eco and u stalled you where cooked.

[@karacho1]

when will he discover Zero-K?

[@itwasme2435]

build T2 metal extractor ^^

[@Burnrate]

go t2, build a t2 constructor

[@teacherwayne6680]

are you just doing just 1 v 1 on Bar ? Because mulitiplayer is where BAR really shines, not 1 v 1 really like SC2.

[@MrTBSC]

i find the stormgate to starcraft 2 comparison a bit unfair ... people are comparing a game that existed for 10+ years vs a game that is still in the making the latter is early access for that reason also i remember well that people did shit on starcraft 2 as well before it got it's 1.0 release .... as for BAR's music? ... it's just so generic and lacks the atmosphere and epic feeling of the sourcematerial it's inspired by

[@justsomeguy4517]

22:32 😂🤣😂 YA WHAT FKIN GOOD IS GREED WHEN YOUR WASTING ALL YOUR METAL???????????????? lul