uThermal's First Ranked Games In Beyond All Reason

[@pie2nd12]

BAR CONTENT? Am I dreaming?

[@LanoueGames]

Right???

[@pabdavinchi]

Wdym? Are there any other RTSes? Are those in the room with us right now?

[@evernewb2073]

@@pabdavinchi kinda? there's a whole genre of games calling themselves RTSs (real-time-strategy) but the vast majority of them would more properly be called RTTs (real-time-tactics). don't get me wrong there is legitimate strategy in something like, say, Starcraft but the lowest level of stuff you could call strategic thinking in that game is stuff like looking at the metagame when deciding ho to play a matchup on a map, more properly it would be anything related to deciding how you are going to go about playing the game long-term, stuff like looking back over your replays to figure out how to train yourself to make tactical calls as snap decisions better and deciding what parts of your skillset you want to work on. really _any_ game where deciding what parts of your skillset you are going to work on because perfect play is impossible is going to have a real strategic level to it but that applies to counterstrike just as much as it does to Starcraft...huh, now that's a funny thought: Tarkov and some similar games actually have you making strategic decisions during gameplay and/or making gameplay decisions off of strategic level concerns quite often.

[@Notivarg]

First 30s: Calling the bot lab 'barracks'. You can take the man out of StarCraft, but you can't take StarCraft out of the man. Good to see you play more of this type of RTS.

[@GeneralInlarth036]

Love the BAR content uThermal, keep at it seeing a road to rank 1 would be awesome! Also keep aggressively expanding the metal extractors on the map, even if you only control it for 25 ~ ish seconds before its taken out it will have paid for itself and any time beyond that is more resources to pump into your production. Keep it up!

[@PHPH_SDK]

There's a guy who goes by @BarcastTV who's done a lot for the 1v1 BAR community. He's organized or at least been involved with every "major" 1v1 tournament in BAR over the past few years. He has great videos for learning the game critically, and even has occasional podcasts with top players doing replay analyses and whatnot.

[@Nebuchadwicknezzar]

BARCast is awesome!

[@plausiblealpaca3987]

Whether it's better to send your commander forward early or keep them at home boosting production mainly depends on the structure of the map. The popular 8v8 maps give most players their own lanes, so it's as if you're playing on a long narrow map. So in 8v8s if you're front line you generally want to send your commander forward very early to claim territory. Most 1v1 maps, on the other hand, tend to be open and encourage you to expand in many directions at once. So in 1v1s you generally want to keep your commander at home.

[@Nebuchadwicknezzar]

Generally, but it can also be very powerful to send your com down center

[@plausiblealpaca3987]

@@Nebuchadwicknezzar yeah there are some small 1v1 maps like Avalanche where it's good

[@Dba6p]

Ahhh! I'm getting my wish to see you play more BAR, so I absolutely have to engage with the video. 1v1 on a big map gives a huge advantage to high-apm players, since all you need is to sneak a few low-level units around a corner and snipe the economy take an overwhelming lead. Thus the vast majority of 1v1 never get out of t1 and end in a commander snipe or a resignation after the economy tilts too far. A major reason why multiplayer team matches are so popular is that multiple players fill up the lanes of attack and reduce the APM pressure of defending the economy, allowing games to go longer. Since you have the hotkeys and camera controls down and pro rts APM, you are liable to clean up in 1v1 matches even before learning what all the units do. I'm here for it, I can't wait to see what you can pull off once you have more than the vaguest imaginable familiarity with the units!

[@flamebreakk]

He’ll yea. Total annihilation was my first game and favorite RTS. So glad you’re playing it’s spirit in 2024

[@Splendidish]

Solar is BP efficient, wind is metal efficient. You can maximize both of these with 2 rules. 1. Make solar when Metal + NO Energy. 2. Reclaim solar when no metal + FULL Energy.

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

great advice.

[@sircactuspad]

IMO the early game macro really is a knife edge between aggression and expansion, and it's the first cliff on the learning curve. If you fell behind early, you won't see the consequences for another 5 or 10 minutes, then you find out suddenly just how big the opponent's army is, and then it's too late to adjust. I'd recommend watching the replay on matches like that last one and track the metal/energy stats (and number of engineers) your opponent made as the game progressed, that'll probably teach you much more than us zealous commenters will :D

[@ldlework]

Subbed just for BAR content. A legend playing a legendary game.

[@russellinator]

I recently started playing BAR too and am loving it.

[@davidh4921]

Same. I like to play with my brothers against waves of enemies with the scavenger AI

[@xpym1337]

So happy to see you covering this legendary game more :3

[@aurelienlambert8488]

Actually been playing some 8v8 thanks to your highlight on the game, huge mess and much fun some useful shortcuts for fatcory control: - repeat switch (T key) makes your factory produce units indefinitely (by respecting the ratio of queued units) - alt+click let's you put a unit in front of the queue (for isntance builder or anti-air) and not inside the repeated queue both together let's you build infinite reenforcement while being able to request some situational units.

[@mrpotato8985]

alt + number (like alt +1) will put units into a default group. Every unit of this type will be added to a "number" control group. can be very helpful.

[@markgibbons802]

So glad to see you making content on t his game, i'm currently tackling the scenarios and despite years of experience on WC III & SC II, am a struggling!!! So not quite ready yet for any pvp!!

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

lots of new player lobbies, for you to find your feet.

[@joshsteiner5736]

Thanks to you I've been playing bars for a few weeks now. Your right this game is awesome! Make sure you get all the widgets that will help in combat. There's even a skirmish widget that helps you with Frontline fighting so you don't have to micro as much while ecoing

[@xeroprotagonist]

Radar towers don't cost too much and it's good to have radar coverage of the map but their line of sight is blocked by steep terrain, make sure you don't put them right behind rocks, they're best on top of cliffs. You can also build cloaked cameras around the map, they're not used very often but I think you might be able to get a lot out of them with your SC2 experience. Your whole base can explode to even a small runby of enemy units in this game, especially in 1v1 you should play cautiously and keep some early warning coverage on every possible approach to your base. Your resurrection bots can also repair your units, if you're going to use Maces then make sure to keep them fixed up, that's one major advantage of bots over vehicles. Vehicles are also fast on flat terrain but bots climb hills better, and Maces can shoot farther if they're attacking from on top of a cliff. Medium tanks are more cost-efficient fighting on flat ground though, and they're significantly faster than Maces, so be careful about getting your army too far out on the map against them.

[@MEALSOLUTIONSGAMING]

Total Annihilation is still played competitively. Anyone who is interested in BAR should also check out the OG best RTS ever!

[@robbie7150]

Ladies and gentleman uthermal has hit the ladder

[@Laurizzio1]

Awesome to see more BAR! Keep doing these more pls, you'll become a top BAR player for sure

[@aurorasun-qs1pg]

Another interesting fact, it's an open source game. Anyone can come and add me features (provided it gets accepted)

[@ZachRE88]

Subbed for BAR content, excited to see how OP you are when you get the full flow of the game.

[@captain-hooked]

This was great - watching you learn is like a new SC2 challenge. Seems more interesting that the other non-SC2 games you have played recently.

[@itwasme2435]

Keep it up, great stuff. Loving BAR

[@Armis71]

Assuming you didn't change the Control/Hot Keys, you should be using GRID keys. Save Camera positions using Ctrl+F1, Ctrl+F2, ...F3.... F4. So if you save your camera looking at your base with Ctrl+F4, by pressing F4, it takes you to your base right away. No need to zoom all the way out or using the map.

[@corresandberg]

Welcome back ❤ this is such a fun game and with uThermal, can it be better. KZbin is a dark place when you are on vacation Marc ❤ from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@joeschroedernz]

5:23 you got most of his energy, that’s gg. If you take out someone’s metal, it’s recoverable. Take out someone’s e and it’s gg.

[@jacktracy7839]

Watching u figure stuff out is fun you’ll get there

[@manixburn6403]

It's "simple", vehicle are slower than flying and bot, but are heavier, more armored or weaponized, but also tend to have heavier, slower shot. And are limited climbing slope. Bot are more nimble can climb difficult slope, but less armored or firepower. Flying have no armor, limited firepower, expensive, work in swarm for strategic strike. That's the general idea but it extend with, in fact, each unit itself, in term of cost, building time, weapon, range, mobility, etc... So for example with a bunch of bot you can dodge shot of heavier vehicle, strike back with laser with no limited fire angle but less damaging etc, etc... or keep distance with sniper or missile bot, but the opponent can use fast vehicle rushing through the shot. It's a deep strategy game, apparently you can choose how you play, micro or macro, it goes for the infrastructure and unit management etc. There is no good or bad unit, just situation where there adapted or not. Need management or not.

[@taoroalin]

Road to rank 1 BAR please!

[@CamiloCBG]

I love this! So much to learn!

[@108stitches6]

I will be watching every single one of these. Looking forward to thermy consistently wrecking

[@Tuchajbejasyn]

due to surround/flanking mechanic you can make anything die to anything pretty much in large enough numbers

[@AidanNaut0]

finally, some good 1v1 BAR content lets goooo

[@theendofconfusion]

I love seeing you play BAR!

[@mathangel1]

I think shattered suns is actually the real spiritual successor

[@PastaAnimal]

So nice to see more bar content :D

[@yellowfilly5690]

ITS HAPPENING

[@andrewjackson5798]

"every stat in my favor" doesn't look at the graphs tab lol

[@hounddogzepp]

Remember when Aussie Drongo was playing BAR and he got so bullied for being a greedy greedy boy?

[@Elderoth]

this is the first time ive heard Mark swear in a foreign language! it's ok mark keep it going strong!

[@Nil-js4bf]

Hell yeah, I'm here for a road to rank 1

[@momom6197]

This feels a lot like Ruster Warfare, though much much more beautiful.

[@MechShark]

The hero arc I didn't know I needed

[@zaimatsu]

Yes! More BAR! I love this game.

[@marcaudette173]

Stoked for this!

[@javierfafianalvarez2031]

The more a watch it the more I like this game.

[@nezrez4lifekamakazy]

YAY, it has begun!

[@jlokyo180]

I watched 20 minutes and was about to write 'Where are the res bots?' and then you made some res bots ... and did not res with them ... 😅 The two biggest tips I could give to take your play into the next tier: #1 Res bots are the key to any long term or prolonged battles #2 Mix in a few AA units with your ground forces. You lost so many units in the mid in the last game to paralyzer drones.😅

[@propeacemindfortress]

now that is a game!

[@NoHighHighlight]

Would love to see you get really good at this game!

[@MrTBSC]

just my 2 cents but BAR is far from SupCom with how many detailed options that game has BAR is simply another Total Annihilation iteration with a couple more factories and defenses, some QoL functions, which in itself ain't bad but does it have SupCom's structure upgradesystem? no does it have adjacency bonuses from powerplants, storage or mass/metalextractors? no does it have commander upgrades that give the option to turn it into an advanced builder or combat focused unit almost equal to an experimental? nope one upcoming game that is much closer to SupCom is Sanctuary: Shattered Sun

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

the beauty with BAR is it's open source, if you want these things in the game you can make a fork and do it. there is already an experminetal commanders fork which do level up the coms, although i think its been put on hold for now. if you know how to code the possibilties are endless with BAR

[@ulfblunk24]

It´s great that u give 1v1 some publicity

[@muffinbutton8858]

I'd love to see more BAR!

[@dskinnerify]

Once you learn the rover micro they're pretty op, just drive them around at the rate of their turret speed and nbd

[@jacobgiacchino4475]

This is the way!

[@minigoal4672]

Yoooo Uthermal yes join BAR!!

[@maciejo8356]

Please play 8v8, it's where the real game is at

[@justgoboarding]

this is so what i want to see! bring uthermal to bar :).

[@johanjof5613]

Hi Uthermy ! Can you please make a video trying out Zero-K and give us your feeling ? BAR and Zero-k are both forks from the same project, Zero-K being a bit older (meaning coming first). BAR focussed more on the rendering aspects, and zero-K more on the playability and cool ideas. Zero-K is a bit more forgiving on the eco, and a bit more on micro I would say. Thank you ! (I am just a player of both, not part of any development team)

[@unagiandroe]

For someone who hasn't played the TA flavor of RTS's what is different about the two variants? I've never heard of Zero-k at all.

[@Zrzyck]

BAR content! letss gooo!

[@josephwillard6461]

is there only 1v1 or can you play a campaign? or just maybe a dumb bot cus i suck? but i love these games.

[@StevenOlvera1]

there are AI options, as well as bigger MP games, like 8v8

[@yellowfilly5690]

Spring engine has pretty decent bots, quite dangereous at times and they can be set to not cheat and just take decisions from Radar and vision info. I don't know if BAR has a campaing but the original Total Annihilation, which it mostly copies in terms of units and factions, had an absolutely fantastic campaign.

[@朕是神]

There's vs AI, and there's scenarios, which are very loosly connected campaign style missions without an actual campaign.

[@ChaseAnderson5k]

People typically play bar in 8v8 which is the most popular format, and you just have to find a lobby and join. The good side, is it's less tryhard than sc2 because any one player isn't as impactful in that format. But the disbenefit is that it takes a while to find a lobby, for it to fill up, and for the game to start, hopefully without anyone disconnecting.

[@ChaseAnderson5k]

Not to say the other options aren't valid, in just noting what players typically do. I started with AI and moved to that

[@boreduser12]

I tried playing this game and couldn't understand it. I'm too old to try to learn something new 😃

[@AidanNaut0]

never say never, give it another go.

[@lucasperry1850]

this is so hype

[@jaxoff2106]

YESSSSS!!!! More BAR please!

[@archniki_]

Looks like CNS supreme commander

[@Ghengis443]

Yes! Yes! More please!

[@胡曼芬]

Have you heard of a game called total annihilation, it was an old game when i was a kid.

[@Elohimar]

Usually when you have large flat map, vehicles are a bit better, unless opponent can outrun you, like you done in the first game. In that game he surrendered because from that point he didn't had almost any energy source, before he would be able to rebuild you would outproduce him a lot and his commander was in the middle of map, it's equivalent of destroying whole mineral line in first 5 min of game in Starcraft 2, you can still play but your chances of winning are close to zero. In this game strategy is everything, meta is not really a thing. Yeah, there is a way to start game more efficient and not energy or metal block yourself, but if it comes to units, it's much more diverse and reactive than SC2.

[@inthefade]

This game looks great

[@MrkBO8]

I built my first BOT lab about 1996

[@grassytiger]

I love bar got to top 30 in 1v1 and then stopped but it's so much fun

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

radar is very cheap metal wise, it is quite energy intense to build, but no problem building them early. so build lots of radar, especially in 1v1.

[@JAWSMUNCH304]

🎉🎉 BAR!

[@ldlework]

It's not that some units build slow (they do, but in this case) rather it's that you are broke :)

[@brandonsaffell4100]

Spicy!

[@PedroGarcia-fl1fu]

Is possible do something like a ship drop? Use a trasport ship? Could be fun

[@rhysvanderwaerden5518]

Yeah there are transports, but they are currently in the process of nerfing the "com bomb" by preventing transporting the commander or slowing the transport down when it's carrying the commander.

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

yes, but air is due for an overhaul as some parts of it feel very clunky, transports being an example. Although it can still be used very strategically as it is currently.

[@AJRhinoBear]

Yes. BAR!!!!

[@jgbeerx]

Hope to see you in arrakis sometime

[@just_me1232]

what option is it to get the build menu across the bottom??

[@Anubis7169]

MOAR

[@ldlework]

Energy/Metal bar full? Stop building the associated building. Energy/Metal bar empty? Build more of the associated building. In fact, always be building energy and metal, but prioritize the one you're poor on.

[@dskinnerify]

Let's goooo

[@Tuchajbejasyn]

go Thermy go!

[@joeschroedernz]

Can you put ur face top right so we can see the players and ts score? Thanks for the bar content.

[@thomasfrierson6848]

wait is this the new total annihilation

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

not the new TA. it's just a remake of a remake of a remake of a remake etc... of TA. basically TA has been kept alive in the background through remakes and forks by commited individuals and teams, now BAR has finally come into the light along with a few of the other forks. I've been playing BAR and its predeccors in the background for about 15 years :)

[@FoxtrotYouniform]

1:15 uThermal trying to act like he doesn't know beereal is a thing smh

[@Markty07]

bar is so good in everything but the tech system I hate that t1 labs are so expensive, it discourages compiled arms armies too much

[@yowofu8450]

No cereal with orange juice has been a staple for me since i was a kid It seems its not that rare after all More people know whats good

[@Klaus2319]

MORE BAR games!!! its is the BEST RTS game 2 day. u need micro and macro + an plan in ur head 🤯

[@leafykille]

I agree with Uthermal, cereal isn't proper food. OJ is nice tho.

[@vitorh3568]

If I were to play this game, I would have to turn off the music, it´s so melancholic lol xD

[@garethsullivan1028]

More BAR please :)

[@tamedelement]

More BAR

[@angrytardigrades]

does it have match making for ladder and ranking ?

[@ElmerFuddBAR]

not currently. match making has kind of been implemented in the background, but not used as of yet. there are leader boards and such but no matchmaking from it. discussions have been going on about the best way to implement it all.

[@A123-d8o]

please do some tutorials for the plebs who are learning

[@ModularMuscle]

+ATM

[@ILoveLovish]

Oppppppp

[@ldlework]

Use a mix of units rather than stacking a single unit.

[@CerusVI]

I love the themes and vibe of BAR, but absolutely -HATE- dislike the UI/UX, it feels just awful and I can't get over it. Worst of all, I'm not even sure why! Maybe it's just similar enough to what I know while being just different enough to throw me off. Watching you play it makes me want to reconsider though.

[@AidanNaut0]

im willing to bet its the "windows xp beta" bubbles. theyre not pretty, but they get the job done