Utter Incompetency - What sunk the Moskva? by Lazerpig - Reaction

[@KILLEROFGOD]

A sneeze in the wrong place could have sunk the Moskva.

[@foxleader3253]

They needed parts for the beached aircraft carrier they have lol.

[@theneverwhere6076]

Good thing NATO ships have duct tape to keep nuclear reactor working.

[@fionawimber1028]

@@theneverwhere6076 Don't be ridiculous! It's speed tape! XD

[@femboyshitposter676]

You talk a lot for a keyboard warrior.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I love the horrifying implications of the sentence "due to frequent theft, safety equipment was under lock up and only the admiral had the key." Like, it's one thing for thefts to happen, but for it to get to the point that emergency equipment is under lock and key and only the admiral is trusted to access it... how? How could any military let itself fall to that level, and on a propaganda piece like a flagship to boot, not some far off middle of nowhere post, that's the extra messed up part.

[@drewjohnson-85]

2 reasons, 1 they where probably at the point where they wouldn’t have had any safety equipment unless they locked them up and the second is probably that they didn’t think about the potential consequences because they didn’t think the ship would ever be in danger, after all He is the flagship of the Great Russian Black Sea Fleet what could happen to him, it’s a common problem in non meritocratic militaries, you’re even starting to see it crop up in the US military as it starts to get more political in nature.

[@martenkahr3365]

Not to mention it didn't solve the theft issue: the had thefts continued with no signs of forceful tampering with the lock, and sometimes equipment got used and put back for certain duties despite the Admiral not being able to come over and unlock it. The obvious answer is that someone had obtained a copy of the key only the Admiral was supposed to have, and the report completely ignored this facet of the safety equipment theft problem. Which suggests whoever was behind these thefts was probably cutting the Admiral in on the profits.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@@martenkahr3365 that, or someone knew how to pick locks...

[@Zack_Wester]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC and this been a soviet boat locks are usally not that hard to pick. Like Soviet at times made a lock that was not hard to pick but would show if someone picked it. (when you locked the door a piece of paper thingi was placed inside the lock. and when you picked it. it would no fall out but sort of do a cycle meaning that the next time the person came to unlock the door he could see that it been unlocked ones already (if the lock was put on again afterward).

[@anzaca1]

10:45 Old Man, all the troops on Snake Island survived, and were given back to Ukraine a while ago.

[@almasbaibolov1446]

10:42 Luckily, none of these brave men and women were killed. As it turns out, neither Moskva nor corvette that escorted her, were armed with ground attack weapons (not even main guns were loaded). So, Russians besieged island and waited until their naval infantry landed on helicopters and detained Ukrainians. They were later exchanged for 26 Russian imprisoned officers.

[@Shinransa]

So you're telling me these gigachads told Russia's flagship to "go fuck themselves" and then outlived the ship because it was held together by hopes and dreams like an Ork battleship? Man, reality IS stranger than fiction! Though... I feel really bad for the Russian crew and troops in general, most of them were like Mark Tarasov, just guys like us thrown into this war by delusional corrupt leaders and with barely functional equipment to defend themselves.

[@damonbell2059]

Russian navy continues the traditions of the second pacific squadron...

[@PopeMetallicus]

I heard the last transmission from Moskva was "Do you see torpedo boats?!"

[@tf2lover105]

😂😂😂

[@cjthenarhwalking1378]

Ah the 1.14b gumball voyage.

[@samnemeth-smyth6109]

The Ukrainian Government's twitter had a field day when the Moskva sank 😂 "Russian warship, what are you sinking?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@femboyshitposter676]

bot detected

[@MrPapamaci88]

Old Man just proven that most of the greatest patrons of peace served in a military or are actively serving.

[@joshthomasmoorenew]

13:46 Look we all know that if they could get away with it the Drone pilots would be painting this kind of stuff on the drones, they did it in WW2 on the side of planes and called them stuff like "Bombshell Babie" and the HMS Dragon has a red dragon painted on its sides. Hell they showed a picture of the Iowa in Kancolle to a WW2 vet and he said the crew would have painted the character on the side of the ship, come on people bring back the nose art it's cool as hell.

[@rdfox76]

I used to be in contact with someone who, at the time, worked at the Iowa Museum and Memorial. He was a shipgirl enthusiast, and considered proposing they partner with Kancolle for crosspromotion, but decided that her in-game art was a bit too risque for them to use (and always regretted never commissioning art of her in a proper USN officer's uniform to suggest it). He did, however, show his boss--who had served aboard her in the 80s--a picture of the much more fully-dressed version of her from a Kancolle fanbook (produced before she was introduced to the game) called "Pacific." His boss took one look at that demure, proper Lady of War from the fanbook and said, "That's not my ship." So yeah, they probably would have gone with the KC canon version...

[@rdfox76]

The end of this video always leaves me in dire need of a tall glass of perspective and soda. I can't blame you for how you were feeling afterwards.

[@MacKnight]

rewatching video, and now notice oldman drinking green Monster. As I am right now doing. LOL. 3:36

[@twrags201]

The Soviet Union was actually a very big naval power most people don't realize that they were building tons of ships all the way up to the collapse many of these ships worked pretty well then. The problems come in when 1 the government turns the money needed for crucial maintenance and modernizations into jetskis and mansions and 2. The lack of experienced personnel from about a decade of chronic underfunding. It's not that the moskva was a bad ship itself it's that well it's in the Russian navy

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

The fact that most of the Soviet's best naval ports/construction and maintenance facilities were in member states that broke off during the collapse and wanted NOTHING to do with Russia afterwards also didn't help when it came to keeping their old ships in proper order, and making new replacements borderline impossible. Still funny that they didn't do any of the many things that could let you avoid bbeing in a position where the embarrassment of being a "global power" that has a "flagship" sunk by a county that didn't even have a navy was even possible.

[@twrags201]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Ukraine had a navy even when it declared independence I mean hell Mongolia has a navy

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@twrags201 I thought that by the time Muskiva was sunk the Ukrainian navy had been wiped out?

[@twrags201]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC no Ukraine's navy has always been pretty small but it's mostly made up by patrol craft and a few older large ships not to mention drones and shore defences it still has ships

[@theneverwhere6076]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Considering USA is getting humbled by people who dont have even 5% of Ukraine's budget..

[@anzaca1]

16:21 The theory on exactly what happened is that one or both Neptune missiles struck those large missile tubes on the port bow, and the resulting explosion crippled the ship.

[@donnym3415]

Old video but it checks out:) Live the vids man

[@absolutexero9385]

20:07 The ship did fix the heating issue, but only once

[@Maxthewire]

LAZERPIG! LAZERPIG! LAZERPIG! LAZERPIG!

[@Baldwin-iv445]

Oh yeah, you definitely got at least a little pissed at this.

[@Darkinu2]

From their badass soldiers coming back from the dead after being gassed in WW1 to this.... Russia, everybody.

[@kingseb2252]

Well if you look at the little vid he was showing how they faked a British attack on nuclear power planet their supposedly dead soldiers got back up

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

To twist a famous quote, "The Communist Revolution and its consequences have been devastating for the Russian people."

[@theneverwhere6076]

Russians after basically wiping defenses of second largest and one of the strongest countries in Europe with 10 years worth of defensive positions despite NATO training in under few weeks, Russia, everybody.

[@olegkupran5284]

​@@theneverwhere6076 One of the most powerful countries in Europe? Ukraine? Sounds like you snort an ocean sized amount of copium. Isn't Russia supposed to be a second most powerful nation in the WORLD?

[@goosegoblin1844]

@@olegkupran5284 statement invalid and ignored

[@joshthomasmoorenew]

You should watch "History of Everything" the Russain Navy Sucks series. But one of the things he said was that a normal navy like the UK or US is the ships are turned off once at port, what the Russian's do with their ships is they keep the engines running when in port this is why the engines are all burnt out and on their last legs.

[@tenofprime]

On the topic at the end, realizing that those casualty numbers are actual people it is important to remember. I think the old show Hogan's Heroes does a good job of showing that "the other side" is more complex, you had a camp guard who just wanted to go back to making toys, an ego driven commander who wanted to be bigger than he was and an SS officer who is a legit killer. it did a good job of showing that not everyone in a army agrees with the government so should not be automatically judged based on it.

[@shockwavegaming5907]

I came here specifically since you were in the navy and I wanted to see your reaction to that maintenance report lol

[@DeReAntiqua]

7:16 Not only do I know where the thing in the bottom right came from, I know where it came from because it was edited and used as the intro for a German morning show by the German videogame journalist legends from RocketbeansTV (yes, in Germany, videogame journalists are sane and funny people, fancy that) called "Moin Moin".

[@steffent.6477]

I'm still surprised that maintenance report was public back then.

[@CG-1423]

I suggested this in a KZbin comment section on one of your other videos. Now here we are.

[@Mttjs1]

You need to watch Perun video "How Corruption Destroys Armies - Theft, Graft, and Russian failure in Ukraine'. If you didn't know Perun is LazerPigs lord and savor. Nuf said .

[@femboyshitposter676]

So didn't Ukraine pocket all it's money and the recruiters have their kids partying in europe also one if i rmemeber bought a villa for 7 mil in spain and all the money pre war meant for mariupol went to the politicians if im not wrong thats what got revealed in these past 3 years.

[@joshthomasmoorenew]

"And then it got worse" the internet motto for the Russian Navy and honestly i feel should just be made the offical motto because dear god, with most Navies you have to dig to find the stupid, with the Russian Navy you have to dig and dig deep to find the good.

[@HitandRyan]

32:02 It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no oligarch’s son

[@CaptainMcMemes12345]

you should watch the Russian navy sucks series it will be a journey to say the least

[@dramspringfeald]

30:50 Its never hate towards the people, its towards the cowards that sent them to die

[@femboyshitposter676]

So Zelensky,Nato,Sergei Shoigu (Russian MOD) and the recruiters in Ukraine that use their corruption and bribe money to send them to Germany?

[@danieldunlap2884]

Ukraine: We sank the Russian flagship! Russia: No, our own incompetence sank our flagship! Rest of the world: Umm... we're pretty sure Ukraine sank... you know what? Fine... it sank, that's the important part. On a more serious note, I'm reminded of a quote from one my favorite fantasy authors... not a direct quote, but close enough: "The priests and clerics tell us at the end of time, [God] is going to destroy most of us in hell. Man gets impatient, though, and tries to create it now, and calls it 'war'." There is nothing glorious about war. I very much side with the Ukrainian people: they should not cede one inch of land to Putin and his cronies. I do, however, want this war to end. Every time I see someone calling for war, I just want to ask them, "Are you going to be standing on the front line? Is YOUR son going to be among our first casualties? How many of your loved ones are you willing to sacrifice on that altar?" Be prepared for war, be prepared to fight tooth and nail if necessary to defend yourself, your nation, your liberty, should war come to you. Do not seek it.

[@Lndmk227]

War belongs in video games. Period.

[@Primarkka]

Without real wars how do the executives know what we really want to see in our multiplayer maps? I know as a child I wanted to see snow maps due to our Winter War. Do not ask how I fucking feel now about people who instigate war.

[@warmstrong5612]

I think the Iowa's are in better fighting shape now than the Moskva was at the time of her refit.

[@RevDrKillJoy]

@Old Man Reacts 10:50 I believe the Ukrainian personnel where taken as POWs, then later released in a prisoner swap.

[@almasbaibolov1446]

5:27 I mean, if you think about that, Ukrainians at open conflict with Russia since March 2014. Armchair Historian made short, yet pretty decent video about evolution Armed Forces of Ukraine went from independence to current days. They took long and painful way from one of the weakest military in Europe (despite massive sizes) to the most battle hardened military with experience in national-scaled warfare. And the main reason they withstand back then and now is remain the same - Ukrainian people. Putin property calculated that military and paramilitary forces will hesitates to fight back, judging by numbers and poor conditions. However, what Putin always underestimates, is willingness of people to fight for their lives and what they love. Regular citizens went on full civilian resistance, loyal service personnel took action without orders and tens of thousands volunteers organised themselves into militia groups. Almost all famous nowadays Ukrainian military units started as territorial defence battalions/companies: Azov, Aidar, Donbas, Da Vinci Wolves and many more. Even if the Westerners cowardly will ever turn their backs on Ukrainians, they will continue to fight. Because they know that Russians will do their best to wipe out Ukrainian identity and self-respect by any means.

[@spartana1116]

I still remember seeing a vid when the war was recent of a girl dropping a Molotov in a open tank hatch Folks were appalled I cheered for the girl saying "That was a little girl doing that" I didn't say anything but in my head that the child knew the Russians are attacking people indiscriminately and doing what she can for her homeland Still this war despite how grim it is , is Ukraine's shining moment that it stopped what many believed to be a military superpower to a absolute joke thats being bled by farmers and shop keepers that have families to protect

[@weiserwolf580]

@@spartana1116 only ignorant westerners were appalled by that, Russia's neighbors start prepare Molotovs every time they hear the Russian speaking

[@theneverwhere6076]

You know that Russia has most Ukrainians behind Ukraine itself, right? So ig the "bad half" doesn't count?

[@almasbaibolov1446]

@@theneverwhere6076 They either made their poor choice or been forced to relocate to Russia. Like tens of thousands Ukrainian children and teenagers, who were forcibly adopted in Russian families (often thousands kilometres away from Ukraine). Your argument only further discriminating Russians. Many people inside Russia has Ukrainian-sounding last names because many Ukrainians were relocated deep within USSR, where they married literally millions Russian widows. But horrible environment turn these “ethnic Ukrainians” into nothing more than another Russians. Most of them do not know nothing about Ukrainian language, culture and so on. Absolutely same can be apply to some dumbasses from Crimean and Eastern Ukraine. Luckily, most of them already paying for their poor decision by turning into goulash as cannon fodders. Just like few hundred foreign soldiers from Europe and North America, who joined Russian-side for…Whatever stupid reason each of them has. It showing nothing but that every society has rotten apples. Same situation was when ISIS was at its peak in 2014/2015, when thousands citizens of Europe joined this terrorist quasi state. And they stopped being identified as European the moment they took arms to fight against “non-Muslim filth”. One Commie from Texas learned it recently the hard way, when he was kidnapped, tortured, raped for days, and then killed. And this particular Darwin Award nominee was pro-Russian since spring 2014.

[@distracting_games]

As for what sank the Moskva, lets just remember that Russia has never been known to have a good navy... For more information look up Voyage of the Damned. I think you've already reacted to the video in question.

[@voidtempering8700]

There is also the video series Why the Russian Navy Sucks. I think they are at part 6 now.

[@femboyshitposter676]

@@voidtempering8700 kek didn't the UK navy have a decline for 5 decades now too?

[@AniwayasSong]

Every 'Great Nation' eventually gets to a point where the arrogance/incompetence of its 'Leaders' sees them collapsing under the weight of it. Seeing Russia do this, knowing its centuries of strife/warfare experience/history blatantly ignored merely proves nothing is permanent. Seeing such a tiny nation survive as long as it has, and still hold its own, also proves the Saying- "It isn't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!" :-)

[@femboyshitposter676]

2004 policy shift in Russia cause? US said no to joining NATO

[@cleverlycynical1423]

When I went on my last deployment we were patrolling and overall spent most of the deployment chasing around and overall being an annoyance to Russian ships. We were close enough to both the Moskva and their landing ships to see the faces of individual crew members. We backed off shortly after they entered the Black Sea, but it really puts into perspective what was really going on. Passively watching an invasion force is really something else when you think about how little we could do because of the risk.

[@lindenbyrne7725]

No all the people on snake island were killed if I recall most surrendered or captured after a couple hours of engagement, (going off of memory so you can google to confirm)

[@onenote6619]

It sounds similar to the sinking of the Kursk. Damage that should have been survivable could not be contained because the ship and crew were in such poor condition.

[@Shaun_Jones]

To be fair to the Slava class (which Moskva was a part of), those 16 Sandbox anti-ship missiles are still pretty scary. Yes, it has no chance against a full carrier battle group even on paper, but they are very fast and hit very hard; you would not have wanted to face them as a Kitty Hawk class carrier escorted by Spruance class destroyers and OHP class frigates; even today, being engaged by those missiles is not something to be taken lightly.

[@ianjardine7324]

Russia has never had a functioning navy the warship's the royal navy lent them on the lend lease program had to be scrapped immediately after they were returned because they had done no maintenance at all and allowed them to deteriorate to the point it would be cheaper to build new than try to repair them. When you look at thier refits and upgrades the picture just gets worse simply bolting new systems directly on top of old bearly functioning equipment with no attempt to integrate the two. This is why the radar and coms systems couldn't function at the same time and why the S200 air defence missiles ( a land based missile simply jerry rigged into launch tubes designed for an older missile.) were useless.

[@lindenbyrne7725]

You should watch perun’s video on how corruption destroys army’s.

[@bthsr7113]

Honestly, given that assignment to Russia's biggest carrier is allegedly dreaded more than most ship postings, one has to wonder if there's some sort of bizarre inverse situation that sees the flagships suffer more from the systemic corruption and mismanagement

[@xanderquinn6010]

I managed to get a set of the stamps that Ukraine released to memorialize Snake Island, they are so cool and I'm so glad i was able to get them.

[@maeckknox6535]

no Russia's forrestal is the Admiral Kunestsov their only carrier that ship is currsed.

[@HF7-AD]

If you want to be outraged at stupidity you should try History of Everything's series on the Russian/Soviet Navy

[@themalcontent100]

Games workshop always seems to put the armies as competent. I would like some lore of incompetency on this level. Just ships breaking apart based on stupid reasons.

[@ninjabearpress2574]

Russia says the Moskva went down in a storm...yeah, a shit storm.

[@Shieldv13]

I would recommend watching animarchy he is a friend of Lazerpig and puts in a lot of effort in his vids even more effort then Russias Victory Parades

[@WorldsTallestLeprechaun]

Pre-watch comment. I’ve been WAITING for this.😁 This gon’ be GOOD!

[@Lars7913]

can you spell the name of the us ship you are talking about. I like to read about it. Thank you

[@Boomdude67]

USS Forrestal

[@gilmadreth680]

Incompetence has always been a natural predator of Russian/Soviet militaries.

[@fantax1280]

Where's UKR Navy?

[@mad9172]

If you want a good video on the pointlessness of war watch Fortress The Last Day Of War It is also kind of 40k-ish

[@rnukes]

If you like this video then you should check out The Russian Navy Sucks by History of Everything.

[@ironkeko4423]

Boss I'm a Degenerate Neckbeard I take a Shower and Talk about other things than Gundam , Still no Maidens

[@hazardousmaterial5492]

Wait, didn't you already react to this before?

[@talesind]

Just checking in, after watching that as a former navy boy it's probably deeply triggered you.

[@iKvetch558]

Um...you need to add at least one more name to your list of "people I listen to about tanks"...you need to get some of The Chieftain in your life. For real...if you are not watching Nicholas Moran AKA The Chieftain, you really need to start getting familiar with him ASAP...If LazerPig is the best guy in tank on YT to you, then The Chieftain is definitely the next on the list.

[@Messywildcat78]

Yep closer to 400k loses now for Russia.

[@jtfbreedlove]

First(?) mistake never call a ship he, bad things happen eventually.

[@kevinimperati8644]

isn't it also bad luck to rename a ship after it was already built?

[@jtfbreedlove]

@@kevinimperati8644 I believe so.

[@jeremymontague9958]

GOD HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS UKRAINE IS WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🫶🫶🫶🇺🇦🇺🇦