V-Rally 2: Need for Speed AND Test Drive, But Not Really

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[@shiroiuma]

Test Drive's kidney had failed in the 90's.

[@onivlasbrony7432]

I never understood why some "Need for Speed through the years" videos includer V-rally games. Thank you !

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

I know, right? V-Rally is not Need for Speed nor Test Drive, outside of a marketing ploy in the US. So it shouldn't count as such!

[@4386764]

@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 a bit late but it could be classified as a NFS Game because the same devs made the PS1 Version of porsche unleashed, which plays just like V-rally 2

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

@@4386764 V-Rally is really more of its own game. The only reason it had the Need for Speed name tied to it is only for marketing, but is not officially a Need for Speed or Test Drive game. Shift counts as one, because the first game was made as a new installment to the Need for Speed series, while the second one didn't have the name presumably because The Run was meant to be their mainline entry for that same year. Shame though, as Shift 2 is definitely the superior of the two games to come out in 2011.

[@karelpipa]

@@4386764 And its the same shitty paper cars again. Albeit this time they felt a little more weighty

[@j_demur]

I'm a little disappointed you didn't mention the track creator, I have very fond memories of it and I don't think I've seen anything quite the same since.

[@euklid2229]

Same, ever since I've played the game as a kid I craved the track creator to be a feature on other games, sadly it's a very rare sight.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

The track editor reminded me a lot of the one from Moto Racer 2. Except you had more environments to choose from and could make tracks either circuit or point to point.

[@KingmanHighborn]

I was so obsessed with this game I took a notebook, and run EVERY car on EVERY track as if it was an actual rally. With overall, class, and stage performances taken into account and wrote down. I then added a points system. Of course the Audi Quattro and the two super Peugeots made the title run a forgone conclusion. Also the poor R8 Gordini was sooooo slow.

[@shortcat]

it's more interesting how cars in the same class would compare. do you happen to still have these notes?

[@KingmanHighborn]

@@shortcat I do somewhere.

[@shortcat]

@@KingmanHighborn Would be cool of you share them

[@KingmanHighborn]

@@shortcat It'd be a pretty large document to make even if it'd be just typing everything I wrote in the notebook.

[@shortcat]

@@KingmanHighborn You could simply make a photo. Anyway, it isn't THAT desirable so don't bother yourself too much.

[@razaelll]

Played the hell out of the PS1 V-rally 2 as a kid. Had no idea dreamcast version was THAT superior.

[@Larry]

I remember renting one of the earlier V-Rally games for the PS1 from Blockbuster Video, but hated the fact they felt like they had no weight to them, like you were driving an empty cardboard box.

[@Kaceydotme]

Yeah... V-Rally 1 feels like that. That's why I didn't include much of it in this video; I just did not want to play it.

[@Larry]

@@Kaceydotme that would have been it yeah, it's the first time I understood when people spoke about "weight" of vehicles in games.

[@luichinplaystation610]

B-b-but....the soundtrack and the river in the Safari championship, Corsega's views and serpent tracks that long straight line that ended up in a cave after taking a left, before that you have a little S with a tree in the middle and 2 big rocks, the wood snowy bridge in sweden?, driving with high terrain on your right and a cliff with pine trees dropping down to your left. A seagull in one of the loading screens, the simple paint of the Ford Escort just one thing and that's it, "MEDIUM RIGHT to MEDIUM LEFT", rally at night the headlights effects, really dark, the same engine sounds for all cars, dat large arse trunk in the Subaru specially, "makes it larger" like a tail whip when turning or the little underpowered cars Sköda. On PS1 without analog sticks just d-pad, at higher speeds just tapping and full press + brake/handbrake [tapping or not] on red hard close hairpin turns. Letting go of the gas when jumping or "CAUTION", steering after landing. This game needs your full rally driver attention or you'll go flying. Doing 300 km/h or 3 to 6 kms if you crash the lap sign pole in and finish the race. I can make a drawing of it, that little bootleg game is written in my dna since 6 or 7 years old me, now's 30. I still remember the last time I played when I truly dominated all Championships with the Impreza and when the PS1 worked. A game called Need For Speed V-Rally. [Waiting someday to see a sick rad long complete video about the game from both of you, hating it or not]. Edit: I can't remember the name of a rally game that has isometric 2d it was in arcade machines on the 90's And only Subaru and Celica.

[@St_Rizla]

@@luichinplaystation610 no one cares

[@St_Rizla]

@@luichinplaystation610 no one cares, also the 2d game is called neo drift out

[@DanArnets1492]

V-Rally 2 is actually quite memorable and has a bunch of great features: · 1 of very few rallying games that knows rallying is a multiclass affair (the underdeveloped championship mode always includes 2 cars from the lower class) · 1st rallying game to feature generic repeating backgrounds (something copied by DiRT4) · 1st rallying game to feature a stage generator using sliders (DiRT4's #1 selling point was over 20 years old when it launched) · 1st rallying game to feature an in-depth track editor · Only rallying game AFAIK to feature the exact tyre models real teams use · Only rallying game that bought into the idea of Hyundai making a Coupe/Tiburón WRC car (it ended up being just a F2Kitcar while the Accent became the WRC car)

[@rachelveer7574]

Eden Studios/Games also did the PS1 version of Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed, they sure know how to get around the racing scene. Lol.

[@lk101010]

Rachel Veer didn’t even know that, thx! Have you played ps1 nfsp? I bought it as a kid when the underground games were blowing up, and I wanted a piece, but was stuck on ps1. After initial disappointment of lacking tuning, I began to really appreciate the game (and Porsche)

[@rachelveer7574]

@@lk101010 If you look at images of Porsche Unleashed and V-Rally 2 side by side, they look like distant cousins. And yeah I've played it, it's one of my favorite Need for Speeds. :)

[@JackBandicootsBunker]

Yep, and they reused the V-Rally 2 engine on that game as well

[@karelpipa]

@@JackBandicootsBunker and by that, its almost unplayable :(

[@JackBandicootsBunker]

karelpipa It's not unplayable (I beat it 5 times, the hardest part is the third Factory Driver tier of challenges) but it's too arcadey, a far cry from the PC version.

[@tenac2215]

Caught the Tokyo xtreme racer 2 background music haha

[@Reiji_Kurose]

The Dreamcast version reminds me of WRC: Rally Evolved on the PS2

[@garyskippracing]

Infogrammes / Melbourne House’s Le Mans franshise deserves a video of its own. Two games that were way ahead of their time in terms of gameplay. Endurance racing has never been done as well as they did it even 20 years later. Not only tyre wear and fuel, but punctures from riding curbs or going into the gravel and an adjustable rev limiter to trade speed for fuel economy. It’d take an ultra realistic sim to have those kind of features these days. PlayStation2 controller had three schemes for accelerate and brake, x and square, analogue sticks and also L2 R2 all in play together, so during a real-time playthrough stint of two or more hours you could rest whichever fingers or thumbs were hurting by changing to one of the alternatives. Truly brilliant games, with terrible sound, unfortunately. But the original did have opening credits with Bohemian Like You by the Dandy Warhols, the game in fact introduced me to the band, years before achieving chart success due to TV advertisement use here in the UK. I have never played any game with as immersive endurance racing / Le Mans atmosphere as those. I’ve been to Le Mans four times for the great race, and they absolutely nailed it.

[@DreamOf944]

Since I'm German I never knew these games were ever sold as anything else than their own series. I played V-Rally 2 a lot and the track editor gave me hours over hours of new challenges. I played on PS1 and woah, how good does that dreamcast footage look!!

[@hmmmph.]

How do you not have more subs your content is so high quality

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

V-Rally 2 also had a track editor similar to Moto Racer 2, only a little more complex. Haven't played the game in a long time, though I remember the heart beat loading screens were pretty stressful to sit through. Not sure if it's like that on the PS1 version since I mainly played the PC version back in the day.

[@Soonjai]

I love the first 2 V-Rally games, great fun once you get used to the wonky physics in those games. V-Rally 2 is even my favorite Off-Road / Rally game on the Dreamcast. Regarding that LeMans 24 Hours game though, the Dreamcast Version is actually not a Port of the Melbourne House PC game, it was made from the ground up for the Dreamcast. Let me explain: At first, there was a LeMans 24 Hours game from Eutechnyx for the PS1, that game got a Port to the PC. Melbourne House was then tasked to Port the game to the Dreamcast, however they felt that they could improve on the game way more than making it prettier for the new Hardware and made a entirely new game instead. This new Dreamcast game got then Ported to the PC while keeping the exact same name on the PC as the older Eutechnyx version had. There are 2 PC Games from the same Publisher, released within 2 Years, with the exact same Name and Logo (at least here in Europe, not sure about the US Branding of the 2 PC Versions) that are completely different. Sadly the much better Melbourne House Version is the harder to find release on the PC, guess people confused the 2nd game as a Re-Release of the older one to cash in on the great Reviews of the Dreamcast Version. This Melbourne House Version is also what got ported over to the PS2.

[@Kaceydotme]

Oh, that's crazy. I had played the Eutechnyx PS version and I figured the differences were just down to hardware limitations that didn't exist for the Dreamcast. Wild that it's more different than I realized.

[@nate567987]

@@Kaceydotme and cars too as the ps2 one has newer cars

[@dankmemesmeltexistentialdr2769]

Hope all is going better for you now, don’t rush yourself back to full on content if you aren’t in a better place :)

[@Kaceydotme]

Thank you

[@dankmemesmeltexistentialdr2769]

@@Kaceydotme I understand mate, I'm a fellow scatterbrain so I flit between interests at an extreme pace. I'm glad you're feeling better though and am looking forward to more great content :)

[@AE86Vilee]

the BGM in this game SLAPS

[@dr_agnostic5587]

You could also cover the Collin McRae Rally games. Those were alright. Lol

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

You didn't mention that V-Rally 2 had a track editor similar to Moto Racer 2, where you design the route and choose a backdrop and it automatically renders itself into a proper race course. Or maybe you didn't include that if it was absent from the Dreamcast version, perhaps? I had the PC version, which I got from a Kelloggs Nutra Grain cereal back in 2003. It was an exciting feeling to get a full game from a cereal box, but due to financial and licensing reasons, the trend didn't last long.

[@MontegoReviews]

The Test Drive games on the PlayStation One are so bad that I refuse to review them. That is also including Test Drive Off-Road

[@RichRacerType4]

When I was a kid I had Test Drive 6 on the PS1 and thought it was pretty good. Then I decided to revisit it one day on PC and I have never felt so disappointed. The physics and handling were awful, the car models are extremely hideous (especially the Nissan Skyline R34) and the only good thing is the soundtrack.

[@sanityeyes5272]

Didnt lgr once mention breaking his keyboard on a wall over Test Drive Offroad 2

[@MontegoReviews]

@@RichRacerType4 It is really annoying then a game isn't as good as you remember it. I feel the same way about Driver 1 and 2 on the PS1.

[@MontegoReviews]

@@sanityeyes5272 Test Drive Off-Road 2 would have been alright if it wasn't for the camera. The camera shakes so much when a car goes over bumps and because of that, it gives me a migraine after an hour of playing.

[@RichRacerType4]

@@MontegoReviews I haven't played those in a long time, but I remember, once again when I was a kid, that I couldn't even get past the first mission in Driver 2. I usually just drove around, stole other people's cars and completely ignored the timer and mission objective.

[@PSXDRIVERPLAYERBSTH]

The one interesting feature of the PS1 V-Rally 2 (at least here in Europeland) was a bonus video where a someone uses a car featured in the game with Pike's Peak track if I recall, the guy driving in the short piece was also working as a consultant with the game (at least with PS1). In my point of few, the guy is a fellow countryman.

[@St_Rizla]

It's a clip from climb dance, a short film about ari vatanen's pikes peak record

[@willian4428]

vrally was my first game on ps1 (got it in 2008 LOL) i was so happy, the ps3 was unknown to me.

[@shinkuhs]

Ooooo another video, sick!

[@alexandreb.1101]

I had the little 206 WRC-shaped memory card that came with V-Rally 2!

[@Degnique]

Dude your channel is a GOLD MINE of content! I hope you do an in-depth review of Vanishing Point for the PS1.

[@father042]

You forgot to mention another fun fact, Eden Studios developed a PS1 version of NFS Porsche Unleashed running on the same engine as V-Rally games and it's vastly inferior to the PC version.

[@MrSwissLOL]

Great video again 👍 I was wondering if you ever plan to add captions to your videos? the auto-captions aren't great. I understand that might be a lot of work, so just enabling community contributions would be good.

[@Kaceydotme]

I've gotten requests for this in the past and will look into doing it!

[@BlueflagAlpha]

Whats your thought on the ps2 version of TDU? Is it good ?

[@cloudstrife1983]

Great game. Has my favorite track editor in any game too.

[@St_Rizla]

There's shortcuts in the looped tracks, such as the first Spain track in arcade mode

[@n_core]

I actually love the Track Creator mechanism from this game, I was mostly spend time making tracks with my brother and played it. But yeah, the handling is horrible compared to other rally game counterpart, Colin McRae Rally. Still, a good game when I was playing it on my Dreamcast.

[@Luchingador]

lots of Eden games dev went on to create Ivory Tower, the makers of The Crew

[@Rian911s]

can someone tell what the outro music is? i loved it so much xD

[@thattonnatoguywithafez8246]

Looking back at old games and seeing some of them, like, JC 1 on PS 2, or GTA SA, MGS 3 on PS 2, then Gran Turismo 2 on PS 1 So many examples that just come to head And then TDU on PSP, what in the gods name. Oh and V Rally, quite fun honestly for short time i played it, was on some kind of NFS marathon trying out ones i never played, lets say... was better of the bunch... EDIT: Also LA Rush, honestly i enjoyed that much more than i probably should have, even having played the PSP version.

[@retrosoul8770]

Well technically the Dreamcast (1998 JP release) is 4 years newer than the Ps1 (1994 JP release), but that's still enough time for a next gen leap especially back in the 90s. The games look fun, I should check them out. Currently playing GT 4 rally when this popped up on my feed!z

[@emdotrod]

Played it a lot back when I was a kid. It is more fun to play than CMR2 tbh

[@TheRageLivesOn]

my favorite test drive game as a kid was eve of destruction

[@writenamehere1536]

rally games were the best. i remember geting a fully original copy of colin mcrae rally 04 for my birthday in its big box and all and losing it a couple of months later, only retaining its small box for 4 install cd's. i still hate myself for that

[@ryomario90]

I owned V-Rally and V-Rally 2 on my PS1, but their title was only V-Rally, not NFS V-Rally or Test Drive V-Rally, maybe this was a EU thing, who knows?

[@vaibhavmamle1997]

Can you do a review on that fast and furious Tokyo drift based ps2 game u showed at 0:18? It's a fantastic game, and the only best fast and furious game

[@thattonnatoguywithafez8246]

@@tomkat492 Huh, so its good enough, well thanks now i have another thing to finish for the week.

[@Rafagafanhotobra]

Whats the name of the final Gran Turismo-ish song that plays until the end of the review?

[@Kaceydotme]

it's one of the GT5 menu tracks :)

[@pedrocaseiro95]

What is the game at 2:20? 2:26 is Vanishing Point, right?

[@luichinplaystation610]

Wow that's the Dreamcast version? I thought it was PC, it looked nicer than Colin Mcrae Rally or TOCA on PS1

[@mistamontiel00]

Why does no one talk about V-Rally 1? Not trash the few I played it

[@Kaceydotme]

I suuuuuuuper hated the controls in my few minutes with it and decided I did not have the patience to cover it.

[@mistamontiel00]

@@Kaceydotme What can I say I have V-Rally 2 Dreamcast (wtf is the Expert Edition mean are any of them different I think another removes the "2") as well, wished seen some night driving in this but anywho I never put much into rally games, no sense of progression unlocks it's only win as far as I can tell

[@Kaceydotme]

mistamontiel00 you unlock the bonus cars. Test drive V-rally removes the 2 as it was the first one under the TD label.

[@Visroker]

Hey bro, me again. I seem to react to all your videos haha. Just one of my many questions, Do you have Instgram? I'd totally understand if you don't though! XD And ah, what kind of music do you like?

[@volkte37]

Good stuff. I love this game a lot and always have kept s copy. DC version is a fantastic update but I've always preferred the feel of the PS1 original. The handling is just a little looser for me and feels a bit more rally. Can't go wrong with either version though.

[@dylan8736]

February will be better.

[@TheSaint491]

Always sorta reminds me of rallisport challenge 2

[@randomstuff-id8bs]

how do u metion infogrames and not metion dirt to daytona

[@karelpipa]

for anyone whos thinking about playing V-RAlly 2. Consider buying Dreamcast version. Not only the looks are better, but physics of the car is much more stable, not jumpy. Also, track creator lets you create longer stages

[@luichinplaystation610]

One point for the Dreamcast And Sega Rally 1 & 2

[@RecycleFinn]

Disagree. Driving physics of PS1 version are miles better because cars have less grip, feel they have an actual weight and better gearing. It also rewards proper clean driving unlike DC/PC version where you pretty much never need brakes.

[@karelpipa]

@@RecycleFinn PS1 cars feel like paper. Thats the mistake they did on PSX.

[@AsAngelsFall221]

What game is at 0:18? It looks like TXR but not one I'm familiar with!

[@Kaceydotme]

That’s Fast and Furious for the PS2, which is a Tokyo drift tie-in.

[@AsAngelsFall221]

@@Kaceydotme oh sweet! I definitely have to check that out then haha, thanks for the reply!

[@Jaceny1]

hey uhh I have a suggestion for the next racing game topic if u think the wii version of hot pursuit was bad u need to play the mobile version its just....different

[@stevieboymkii]

Late comment but only just seeing this. For another example of regional changes, check out C3 Racing, a.k.a. TNN Motorsports Hardcore TR a.k.a. Max Power Racing (which is what I remember it as). The same game but really also not the same game. It's another Infrogrames game.

[@barrigadealuguel9466]

FILLING SAUSAGE.

[@BlanetProductions]

I thought you said you weren't going to monetize your current videos?

[@Kaceydotme]

Originally, yes, but after a particularly rough January where I was scrounging up change, I had a conversation with patrons and other community members in my discord about monetization, because the extra cash really does make a difference when you make minimum wage. Everyone assured me it was the right thing to do, and any patrons offended by the decision are welcome to a refund for their pledge. (Including those who pledged after monetization went live but before I remembered to adjust my Patreon description) For transparency: I am *not* making a killing off KZbin. $60-70 per month since things went up, but even lately it’s more like $2-$4 a day. I only got *part* of the revenue for the last video due to music licensing. I also don’t put excessive midroll ad breaks into videos; the HP video had four only because of the copyright claim. I can’t control ad placement for that video. I’m not selling out. I turned down a Raid: Shadow Legends sponsorship offer that would pay almost a GRAND because I feel like it would conflict with my message and morals. I’m just doing something to make life as a financially independent college student a little easier. I hope you guys can understand that.

[@BlanetProductions]

@@Kaceydotme I understand. I wasnt trying to say you were selling out. I just knew that in an earlier video you said you didn't monetize and I was just thinking maybe some stuff came up. Sorry if I made you feel bad in anyway.

[@Kaceydotme]

Not at all, this just wasn’t something I’d addressed outside of discord so I thought I’d take the opportunity. Didn’t take your comment harshly at all

[@NovaPrima]

Wow, those physics! And Melbourne is pronounced MEL-burn, for reference.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

Honestly, I really did not take any of these "simcade" rally games over Sega Rally 1 and 2 at all. Just weren't as good to me. It didn't matter that all of them hard more tracks or maybe more realistic handling because they just weren't as fun or replayable.

I played it on n64

[@danielgannon5430]

:D

[@Nexxus088]

What game is at 20 seconds? And 2:25

[@Kaceydotme]

Nexxus Gaming 0:20 is Fast and Furious for PS2 (Tokyo Drift tie in) and 2:25 is vanishing point for dreamcast

[@Nexxus088]

@@Kaceydotme oh shit vanishing point... I played that on ps1. F&f doesn't look bad make me think of txr.. May have to look that up on ps2 emulator. Thanks!

[@bruno100carro]

What game is this , 2:18 ?

[@St_Rizla]

Tokyo xtreme racer 1

[@bruno100carro]

@@St_Rizla thx

[@zonda7u718]

Game at 0:18?

[@vaibhavmamle1997]

Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift (PlayStation 2 and PSP)

[@cheesyeurotrance95]

I love V-Rally 2 & 3, the first one is awful and I haven't played the fourth one yet

[@thecanucklehead3034]

So do marketing teams just think americans are dummies who cant find a good new ip with 2 hands and a flashlight, or are we really that dumb

[@Tinfoilpain]

Car

[@HoroJoga]

It's weird how the series got bad in V-Rally 4. The game barely runs and the driving is terrible.

[@petrlazar5240]

V-Rally 2 runs at 60 fps on Dreamcast yet V-Rally 4 runs at 30 fps on Xbox One. Sometimes it feels like we are going backwards...