V2 VS THE BLACK KNIGHTS! | Code Geass Newlyweds Reaction | Ep 2x14, “Turn 14: Geass Hunt”

[@LettsReact]

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[@azopeopaz3059]

it cc and vv not c2 v2 that another raison to watch it on sub

[@Marta-uv4id]

One of Lelouch's flaws is definitely letting emotions overpower his logic, and Shirley's death and everything surrounding it was just a huge trigger that pushed Lelouch's emotional side to the forefront.

[@TecTitan]

It's something I think he has a hard time noticing and correcting because he seems to believe he can forsake his feelings in favor of his goal ever since he shot clovis. And time and time again Lelouch discovers he's a man with a heart just like everybody else. He just can't be the goal machine he needs to be.

[@scarlightemperor3410]

One of the things that make him human.

[@saltyk9869]

I would argue that his emotions are important. When it comes down to it, he is motivated by his emotions first and foremost. The problem is that he gets so overwhelmed by strong emotions that he allows them to cloud his judgement and lose sight of the bigger picture. His emotions are a source of strength and a weakness for him.

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

The irony in this case is that destroying the Order and slaughtering the test subjects was undoubtedly better for the Black Knights and for the world in the long run, but it also exponentially increased the distrust some of his men were starting to have towards him, and thus accelerated his eventual downfall

[@minhsakura281]

​@@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian He actually should have Geassed all these soldiers to forget whatever he did at the Order or sth

[@Hawntur]

One thing to note: the one time per person geass is only a restriction lelouch has. Emperor Charles can reuse rewriting memories on the same person just like how Mao can always read minds or Rolo can repeatedly stop time on the same people

[@TheOriginalInferno]

This is going to have spoilers for the series overall including Akito the Exile, which I haven’t watched but know a little of. So only read if you don’t mind spoilers. According to what I read on the wiki a while back Lelouch’s Geass numerically has the most restrictions to it. I think that might relate to what he says later regarding Geass being a wish to grant people the power they feel they need. Lelouch was already planning to face Britania without Geass but at the beginning he also notes that “no matter how hard you try It’s impossible to change the world.” His Geass essentially gave him the power to actually stand a chance to defeating the worlds greatest superpower. However, because he believes in the responsibility of leadership I believe he also didn’t want a power that would let him realise whatever he wanted without fair effort and sacrifice. Interestingly enough one of Lelouch’s siblings has a more powerful version of his Geass with fewer restrictions. I think that supports my current view.

[@crimsongungnir9533]

​@TheOriginalInferno I think that line of reasoning also fits with his belief of leading with the King in chess, the only ones who should kill are those prepared to be killed.

[@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso]

​@TheOriginalInferno which one of his siblings has geass?

[@soppierspoon]

@@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso Marybell mel Britannia. She's from the manga spinoff Oz of the Reflection

[@TheOriginalInferno]

@@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso Marrybell mel Britannia - Absolute Submission

[@AlicentviBritannia]

Geass Order is a secret organization that studies and produces Geass users. Lelouch was aware of the terrible things they did in the Geass Order and, by extension, that this place stole Rolo's childhood and controlled his life by turning him into a weapon. And yet, he intended to use them until he changed plans for Shirley. Shirley's death made Lelouch realize how terrible the power of Geass is in the hands of a child and gave him the fear that all Geass users were like Rolo (both his justification for killing Shirley and Rolo's jealousy towards Nunnally stem from the conditioning he received in the Geass Cult; in his opinion, Rolo did the right thing by protecting Lelouch, the only person who told him he was valuable and made him happy). In this way, massacring the Geass Cult was Lelouch's way of getting revenge on the organization, Rolo, and also the Geass, since Lelouch saw Shirley as a victim of the Geass. However, this revenge comes from recent pain and anger and we have already witnessed emotions suppress Lelouch's logic and reasoning, leading him to make hasty and unintelligent decisions. In this case, taking a squad of Black Knights on a secret mission without explaining to them why they have to destroy that place or who the scientists and children they are killing are, or at least erasing their memories afterwards. And, that is why the massacre of the Geass Cult is one of Lelouch's worst mistakes that will have its own consequences. As such, it's worth asking why CC didn't stop him since in the first season she was his voice of reason. This is due to two reasons: the first is that CC is selfish and therefore always prioritizes herself over Lelouch (this is the same reason why CC keeps valuable information that concerns Lelouch, among other questionable things), so she only thinks of Lelouch and organizes her plans in a way that helps Lelouch and doesn't interfere with his goals. This brings me to my second point: CC also wanted the destruction of the Geass Cult. She was the leader of that organization long ago that gave Geass to children, even though she was aware that Geass was a curse. So she feels that by ending the Geass lineage she will be atoning for her own sin. Furthermore, CC has her reasons for hating Geass: like Lelouch, Geass ruined her life and the lives of many that she, in a way, allowed. Shirley's death was the last straw for Suzaku. Shirley was one of his friends who was in his care and she ended up dead (as did Euphemia). Lelouch's absence at her funeral accentuated his suspicions that he was Zero, but Suzaku couldn't stop Zero without evidence confirming his identity and goes to Kallen to obtain it by force with the refrain (Suzaku is another person who makes mistakes, when emotions take control of him). But as soon as Suzaku realizes that he was about to follow Zero's philosophy ("the end justifies the means") and that he was going to bend Kallen's will like Zero, he stops because Suzaku realizes that he almost corrupts and it is there that he begins to reevaluate his own beliefs and methods and consider that neither Lelouch's nor his mentality is correct. I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I'll dedicate my review of the next episode to CC and I needed to talk about this moment as it was a turning point for Suzaku.

[@neoshenlong]

Just to add to your, as usual, excellent reviews. This is the point where we get into one of Code Geass more complex debates: free will. Geass is a tool that erases free will in different manners, but also imposes the free will of one person to everyone else through overwhelming power. The series is filled with non-geass stuff that allows the same thing. Suzaku here is willing to torture Kallen to achieve his own goals, as you said, but Suzaku's whole arc is about him putting everybody else's will over his own (which is also the dicotomy of his survive geass. It makes him survive at all cost putting aside the wishes of others, but it also forces him to keep fighting even though his own selfish desire is to die). The show really gets into what a geass really is (symbolically) later, but this is a key point to begin asking that question, when Lelouch decided to erase it. And then, of course, you have Charles claiming he will rid the world of lies, and that most definitely ties into these ideas. But that will be the next couple of episodes.

[@saltyk9869]

I don't know if I would say Suzaku has hit his turning point just yet. That comes in a few episodes. Otherwise, great review.

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

​@@saltyk9869 Lolzaku is definitely more impactful, but that scene was probably the next most significant part of his arc

[@AlicentviBritannia]

Double fun facts! 1. Cornelia was actually supposed to die in the season one finale (I assume Lelouch would kill her after interrogating her), but the creators changed their mind because they wanted a member of the royal family to investigate Geass and Cornelia had a valid reason to do it. Furthermore, they were delighted with the performance of her voice actress. 2. VV's real name is Victor zi Britannia, according to secondary material. In the first scene we have a glimpse of the motivation that drives both Charles and VV, as well as what the final (ideological) confrontation will consist of: human nature, as it couldn't be otherwise. There are even some little hints in the opening "World's end". I see that I'll have a lot to explain in my reviews, when we reach the final stretch. Small update: Montana is right. VV can't hate Marianne without having loved her and I have a headcannon that I think is actually canon since CC agrees with Montana in the next episode. I'll be brief: VV was in love with Marianne, but he couldn't be with her because he was an adult trapped in a child's body, so he couldn't give her a normal life. Besides, Marianne loved Charles. VV was really jealous of everything his brother had (the woman he loved and a family with her), but, since for him the bond between brothers is sacred, he couldn't allow himself to hate Charles, so he projected all his hatred onto Marianne. Therefore, when he said that she corrupted his brother, VV was actually talking about himself. And the thing I like most about my "headcanon" is that it fits very well with the narrative that Geass is a curse that is capable of destroying the mind and life of a child. Another thing. Rolo does have a soul, but he has no morals. He was trained to be a lethal weapon, he wasn't raised to be a human. He doesn't feel remorse for killing those children because in his eyes he is happy to serve his brother, the only person he loves and wants to make happy, and Lelouch wants to destroy Geass Order. In other words, doing what he has been taught (eliminating problems) is his way of expressing affection.

[@lance2304]

If VV's name is victor perhaps CC's original name begins with a C🤔

[@IM_8685]

@@lance2304 it does I guess. *SPOILER* just like Lelouch in the Resurection movie takes on (Lelouch Lamporuge) L.L ,that kinda gives it that C.C probably has a first and second name starting with C........

[@saltyk9869]

@@lance2304 There are lots of theories about C2's name. The two most popular I've heard are Yuki Shiroi, which is Japanese for "snow white". This explains why both C2 and Lelouch brought up snow in those episodes. The biggest problem is that she's not Japanese. The other theory is Cecillia Corabella apparently based partly on lip reading. It also fits into the idea that she is going by her initials. The reality is that no one knows. But some form of Snow White makes sense with the episodes in Narita taken into account.

[@СарраКарагозян]

Oh, Lelouch is definitely going off rails out of sheer rage here! He was never one to forgive and forget, and now one of his friends, whom he tried to keep safe, is dead because of how things in the Geass cult were.

[@scarlightemperor3410]

We are now... entering the *Requiem*

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

Gold Experience intensifies

[@dork51210]

"1997 we werent alive" killed me

[@zeehero7280]

Code Geass is set in the 1960s. ATB calendar is about 50 years ahead.

[@SharkSenpai42]

I love Cornelia's return here as the badass lone vigilante type

[@Umbra2079]

It might serve you well to know that geass as a concept is related to the victim's mind. It is never a physical power. So yeah, that wasn't telekinesis. The kid forced the guy to move his hand. That's all.

[@andrewlynch4126]

Mind control basically, but only physical actions

[@pwnorbepwned]

These two started theorizing the world was simulated from day 1. It’s going to take a lot to make them realize how low-level the Geass power really is.

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

​@@pwnorbepwned I truly fear they won't understand just how hardcore Lelouch's command in episode 21 is, given the context

[@casualnerdjason6678]

You both weren't alive in 1997? Oh god... I'm an Old now...

[@SwordTune]

Always have been

[@neoshenlong]

Right? I had the same reaction.

[@MichaelaEvans]

Right? That was so shocking to me😮 were they born in the 2000s?😅

[@bomberdawesome]

​@MichaelaEvans Even someone born in 2000 would be 24.

[@Lupinemancer87]

1997, I was 10 years old. Boy do I feel old.

[@666MaRius9991]

lol i was 3 and i also feel old

[@mintchoco5640]

Past the point of no return now. Buckle up, it's a full sprint to the end

[@madiaikau9140]

I'm happy you guys get the pizza hut version. It's not everywhere. What I love is that it shows that Pizza Hut has a further reach than even the Britannian Empire

[@Umbra2079]

Not all geasses are one-time-only. So far as we know, Charles can use his on Lelouch as many times as he pleases.

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

This was in fact confirmed in Akito the Exiled where *SPOILERS* They retconned that when Charles changed Lelouch's memories after Suzaku brought him in, he actually made him believe he was a Brittanian officer, and used his ruthlessness and talent for strategy in the war against the EU. However, that Geass was broken, and Suzaku captured Lelouch again and brought him back to Charles who then gave him the fake memories we see at the beginning of season 2

[@Umbra2079]

@@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian Poor Lelouch

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

@@Umbra2079 Eh, he kinda had it coming tbh ^^

[@null3321]

As far as I remember, it is the first time when we see CC, Marianne, VV and Charles in one place(first scene of the episode). I'm surprised you didn't say anything about why there CC.

[@Lovetheoddones]

I’ve been sitting over here thinking about we were around the same age until you said you weren’t alive in 1997..

[@Wezt334]

I mean for Suzaku it did look like Shirley tried to kill herself in the last episode so it would be fair for him to view this as a 2nd attempt

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

At this point, he just wants an excuse to blame Lelouch for everything that goes wrong in the world

[@marielb2924]

Damn R2 is so good, the more the episodes go the better it gets holy hell

[@nahte123456]

So the whole Geass Order thing has always been an interesting one to me. Obviously in this episode Lelouch just ran wild with emotions, but what IS the "good" option? The children are all unstable if we judge by Rolo, willing to murder with no morals. The scientists are all OK with child abuse clearly to make Rolo and Co. And we've seen just how dangerous Lelouch's Geass can be, it can be interpreted in ways he doesn't intend, it can stay dormant seemingly forever, and this isn't even touching stuff like Geass cancellers now existing or other outside forces. There really isn't a clear cut "good" option, everything comes with a "but".

[@NostalGamation]

The only sad thing about this is... You would not get to hear EMPEROR WAKAMOTO SAYING RERRUUUSSHHHUUUU in all his glory 😅

[@minhsakura281]

I know right hahha

[@Arhius]

I agree that this epic line from legendary voice actor will be missed here, however we wil receive an epic line about Orange Loyalty! 😁

[@Megalomaniac_Trans_Lesbian]

​@@Arhius As well as a much better final dialogue between Lelouch and Charles

[@SutcliffeRed]

Jeremiah calling Lelouch Your Majesty was the clue on where it was all heading lol

[@vking4983]

2:25 Stop! you guys are younger than I thought.

[@Raimon_Rogier]

I shocked too. I am so old.

[@saltyk9869]

The series really is getting hype from here on out. The death of Shirley was really the death of innocence and kindness. Now, we're setting everything up for the stellar final arc and ending. But worry not. Next episode we get C2's backstory and the details of her contract with Lelouch.

[@Arhius]

Thank you for this great reaction. Till the end we will get more and more action until the unbelievable final that is written im history of the one of the best. In this episode we received many answers to some question that left us with even more questions and speculations. Also the plot here turned out really wild but it'll go even crazier. In next episode we'll receive even more answers and even more questions. Be ready because we'll go on philosophy field to understand what's hapenning and it's awesome in this show! Can't wait to see your reaction to that! I see that many people gives here amazing comments with a lot of secondary, worth information. I really appreciate that! I want to mention how amazing is Jeremiah Gottwald! His loyalty is something worth to praise since he serves Lelouch for fail after lady Marianne. Just wait till the end what we'll do. He is the great example how unbelievably brilliant is this outstanding anime! Thank you for your reaction and comments!

[@georgesmith6218]

Believe it or not, but we are still in midgame.

[@hectorzuniga640]

Damn that episode was Fucking good

[@davidwilson-wh1nl]

If code geass crossover with fma would it be wrong to use human transmutation on shirley

[@red_cosplay]

...is is going to turn out that the emperor wants to do Human Instrumentality or someting?

[@yate0128]

Learning you're both younger than me was a shocker 😅

[@AaronWGaming]

V.V Loved his brother... His Brother Fell in Love with Marianne. V.V attempted to Kill Marianne however she transferred into the now pilot of the Mordred.

[@Pokalicious]

If I want to watch early reactions on patreon, do I really need the $20 pledge tier? Or will the $5 pledge tier be enough?

[@SwordTune]

27:45 👀

[@Chedring]

Code Geass's timeline is not the same as ours. When it gives dates like 1997, or 2013, these are more equivalent to 1942 and 1958 AD respectively.

[@SensesFate55]

Ok the question we’ve been waiting for, when are you reacting to Avatar: The Last Airbender live action on Netflix?

[@davidevert4786]

Is Britannia Britain?

[@jacob949494]

Yes but they don't control the UK any more. I believe they fled to the Americas and created the empire.

[@saltyk9869]

Yes and no? Long story short, the American Revolution failed and it remained a British colony. At some point, the British Royal Family moved to the US after a coup, if memory serves.

[@sheikhlelouch2726]

and all it's colonies

[@Amaka-d8l]

I have a idea react to gushing over magical girls please pretty please

[@WeiChengFang-b6n]

A little bit spoiler but anime didnt mention atall. Lulu and Nanali are actually MADE to be the container for Code or Geass, that is why Lulu has powerful Geass, and Nanalie has resistant for Geass. Mariana and Charles and V.V., are actually very sick. Well, if the world and all the people combined to one, thats another story.

[@AlicentviBritannia]

LOL no. I'm assuming you're referring to a manga, but the mangas and all Code Geass stories are alternate universes that don't expand the canon/series. They are independent stories.

[@WeiChengFang-b6n]

@@AlicentviBritannia Not just manga, there are aome setting books and magazines and interviews explained some stuffs for the show.

[@minhsakura281]

​​@@WeiChengFang-b6n That's light novel (non canon to anime timeline) stuff, not even an interview.

[@tiredidealist]

I think it's around this point in the show that I decided that I really hated Lelouch. He just becomes worse and does more and more unethical things in pursuit of revenge, which is clearly what it's all about at this point. And he drags everyone else down with him. His actions result in Euphy's death, Shirley and her father's deaths, and the insanity of it all pushes Suzaku down a path he never would've gone down otherwise. He's just playing Charles' game and doesn't seem to even realize it. Also there's an interesting parallel between V2 and Rolo here that I didn't catch the first time I watched it.