V60 vs V90 ► Is it worth it? Featuring ProGrade SD Cards

[@photojoseph]

What do you think… is it worth it to you to get V90 instead of V60 cards?

[@brjukva]

Yes, as well as buying "that expensive" lens instead of "cheap analog", etc. There's a Russian saying: stingy dude is always paying twice. Meaning - do a proper thing on the first take, you'll do it anyway at one of the iterations later, accruing more cost.

[@photojoseph]

I like it :-)

[@ChoicesHabitsAttitudeLuck]

Buy once. Buy right.

[@humansrants1694]

I've just got a A7R IVA so I want that buffer cleared cost doesn't matter only speed, read speeds don't matter I can click import in Capture One than go make a coffee.

[@sidha22]

Buying V30 will be stingy. V60 given the price/performance diff to V90 is a smart choice. U can buy 2 v60 cards, much faster than 1 v90 during work.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

i really wish CF express type B cards were more popular in cameras. they are often cheaper than the v90 cards and they are also far more durable form factor. also please apple update the MBP to use CF express. as for fragmenting - any flash storage has wear leveling algos to ensure you dont overuse any 1 of the nand chips on the cards. a regular format on the camera should suffice.

[@photojoseph]

Check out this video on OWC media kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYDJe6yBd9uXpKs and this one comparing performance kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJzQe5aririrerM -- it really is impressive!

[@lostleblanc]

Thank you!

[@photojoseph]

You're welcome!

[@ZaMuMx]

which one did you got?

[@robertmryan]

Good content! Personally, I don’t shoot enough for the read-speeds (i.e., getting content off the card) to matter. I’m driven by making sure write speeds are sufficient to keep up with the desired video codecs. E.g., with Sony 4K XAVC SI HD, with high bit rates, etc., my v30 cards simply cannot keep up and Sony explicitly recommends v90. The key, for me at least, is to pick cards that can write sufficiently fast for the desired capture (i.e., the desired video codec or the desired fps for burst of stills after buffer fills up).

[@olegvorkunov5400]

Did test with 4 cards by doing burst shooting on A7C with the following settings: Burst Rate Mode: H (9 shots per second) Mode: RAW and JPEG. RAW mode: uncompressed (14 bit) JPEG mode Extra Fine. Start the timer at the beginning and hold the shutter button until the buffer is full. End timer once the last picture is flashed to SD Card. Here are results: SunDisk Extreem UHS-I V30 - 33 sec - 68 files SunDisk Extreem Pro UHS-I V30 - 36 sec - 68 files PROGRADE UHS-II V60 - 20 sec - 78 files PROGRADE UHS-II V90 - 22 sec - 90 files Is it worth paying twice for V90 card over V60 card to get just 12 more shuts?

[@photojoseph]

Only you can answer that question. Don’t forget offloading performance. If your job requires fast offload then V90 makes a big difference

[@Canon7D365Project]

dude....thank you for redoing the video haha we have all felt that pain of not pressing record :.....(

[@photojoseph]

haha thanks

[@GabrielArceoReyes]

Which card would you recommend for a Gopro 12. Thanks in advance.

[@photojoseph]

No idea. They will have published minimum specs

[@MacDonaldStudio]

Can you tell me how to do a “clean format” on a Mac? Is it through the Disk Utility?

[@photojoseph]

You should always format in-camera, but yes on a Mac, Disk Utility will do it.

[@MacDonaldStudio]

@@photojoseph did you not say you can only do it on a computer in your vid?

[@oldyoutubeaccount7056]

i have one question. Is it okay to buy a v60 for 4K 60FPS 400MB/S? PLEASE ANSWER ME, I NEED A CLEAR ANSWER AND I CANT FIND ONE!!!

[@photojoseph]

Yes, it is. It's important to understand the math and why V90 is still a better choice, so I recommend watching this video carefully, but yes, V60 will work for 400Mb/s video. V60 = 60MB/s. 400 Mb/s = 50MB/s, so it's close, but it's in range. Also remember that MB/s is megaBYTE per second while Mb/s is megaBIT per second. The capital vs lower case B/b makes a big difference! (type "unit converter" into google to get their built-in calculator)

[@eosphoto-w4f]

Bought V90 just to record ALL-I. Now I will starve whole month.

[@photojoseph]

Drop calories not frames.

[@eosphoto-w4f]

@@photojoseph sounds like plan.

[@davidadsfasdf806]

I have a question please please I need an answer. I have the canon EOS R5 i purchased the CF Express card type B prograde Cobalt 325 GB, so my question is for the second card should I get a V60 or V90?? I will save photos and videos to cf express and JPEG to Sd cards. Please advice

[@photojoseph]

If it’s just JPEG then the V30 is fast enough! V60 to clear the buffer a little faster.

[@davidadsfasdf806]

@@photojoseph Thank you well I choose the V90 128 to be like future proof, I used you coupon code and still works on the website, I got 20% off. Thank you. Waiting to receive the card maybe Sunday. So this is the deal I got your 20% and I purchase the CF express card V90 Cobalt and also the Card reader so because I got the discount I choose the V90. Thanks for your coupon.

[@georgedavall9449]

@@photojoseph Seriously? Poor advice. Any two card camera is really only as fast as the slower card in the processing chain. That is what annoyed me so when Canon only made the SD card capability, in the 5D4, a UHS-I, and not UHS-II. Stupid! If someone spent the ridiculous amount of money Canon gets for the R5, they should spend a little more and get the fastest secondary card available. Pecae

[@georgedavall9449]

David, I would run the fastest card you can afford. Why short change the performance of the R5. I’m sure you didn’t buy it because it was so affordable, or to shoot photos of your Cat, but maybe you did, and that’s alright! Go with the V90, just do it!

[@ThePAC2014]

What do you mean by a clean format? Is it different from a standard format?

[@photojoseph]

Some cameras have an option to do a deep format. It’s just a checkbox when you format it. Also some card manufacturer supply software to do a deep format in the computer. It could also be called other names. But yes, it is more than a regular format.

[@pythonprofreak7522]

Thank you for the detail benchmark! Make my decision easier which one to buy.

[@photojoseph]

Sweet! Which one?

[@pythonprofreak7522]

@@photojoseph All my cards are Sandisk for years now after my Transcend and Samsung cards died on me while I also moving up to cameras that require higher data read and write. However, I noticed that Sandisk couldn't perform well with Sony A7RIII high speed shooting. It constantly buffering after it hit certain frames and less than what I am hoping for. I am using two Sandisk 256GB 170 MB/95MB minimum write speed of 30 MB/s thus V30. I will get two V60 and one V90. Time to switch.

[@photojoseph]

Gottcha. The big thing is PEAK vs SUSTAINED speeds. Peak is just a marketing number; sustained is what really matters, but until the V numbers manufactures didn't market that (probably because they could get away without doing it).

[@pythonprofreak7522]

@@photojoseph Yup, I started to notice that sometime ago. The main thing is to look for the V-rating which ensure the consistent transfer/shooting or read/write. The good news is some of the expensive V60 cards pricing are falling. However, only one or two V90 64GB and 128GB cards pricing are falling but the highest end cards remain the same.

[@AlexBeaverProductions]

So even if my Panasonic G7 only records at 100mbps then I should still go with the v90 basded on your test?

[@photojoseph]

if the faster speeds copying from the card to the computer matter to you, then yes. If not, then that's unnecessary. 100mbps is only 12.5MB/s. V90 is 90MB/s is 720mbps… V60 is 60MB/s is 480mbps…V30 is 30MB/s is 240mbps. So even a V30 is fast enough to capture. It's the read time that may interest you. Or of course if you're shooting stills too, then the faster card will clear the buffer faster. All that said, the G7 can't utilize the extra speed of the UHS-II (double row of pins), so your performance will be limited there, too. Basically - don't bother ;-)

[@FrancisZerbib]

PhotoJoseph - The G7 supports UHS-II cards (2 rows) interface. At least mine does.

[@scorpionx211]

Hard drives need to be defragmented because they can read data quickly if it's written as a continuous line. The read/write head stays in one spot as the platter spins underneath it. But if the data is fragmented, the read/write head has to move back and forth and wait for the next chunk of data to spin underneath. Solid state media like flash drives don't have this problem. They can access all parts of storage at the same speed so it doesn't matter if the data is stored in physically continuous memory cells, or if it's all scattered around.

[@photojoseph]

Correct, but according to ProGrade (and they know more than I do), read and write still becomes slower over time until you do a deep format.

[@zuniga2magico]

Per usual, always so informative! In your opinion, for video, would you prefer? These ProGrade, or the Angelbird SD cards for recording at 400mbps?

[@247.mp4]

i have the Angelbird PRO SD V60, had to return it and get a new one since my GH4 froze serveral times during 4K recording. The replacement one which i got directly from Angelbird (had to pay the shipping!) had the exact same issues.

[@photojoseph]

Oh no! That’s not good. What do they say about that?

[@benedictmoreno4729]

How much memory should I need? Multiple 64gb or a couple of 125gb or higher?

[@photojoseph]

Only you can answer that. What are your shooting? How often can you dump cards? If you’re not sure start with 64 and buy bigger if you need it. Or if you can afford it just buy the biggest.

[@oneeyedphotographer]

Burst rate. If you fill the buffer, you're in trouble however fast the buffer clears. My 60D taught me that, now I just shoot short bursts, the buffer doesn't fill and there's always a bit more if I need it.

[@photojoseph]

It all depends on what you’re shooting doesn’t it.

[@PlunderRoad]

Great just ordered a 2-pack!

[@bensake5590]

Comparing 2 cards but didn't even show speed test results....

[@amandamessbarger]

😆🤣 Thank you for the info. Very helpful!

[@marklaurendet1861]

Thanks for a a good comparison. For me with a G85 the slower cards are more than enough. Could you link to the software for a PC to do a proper format of SD cards?

[@oneeyedphotographer]

I disbelieve that statement, all that matters is the directory is reinitialised. Doesn't matter whether the rest of the card contains binary zeros or remnants of old images.

[@photojoseph]

🤷🏼‍♂️ Is this a “belief”, as you’ve said, or do you have testing proof? Easy enough to find out. Compare an old, well used card before and after a clean format.

[@oneeyedphotographer]

@@photojoseph I have 50 years experience with computers. Does that count for anything? My experience has mainly been on system software including operating systems. I even learned a bit about hardware along the way. One thing I don't understand iw why formatting memory cards in a computer is a nono, but I have seen it on Toshiba's website, and I have heard senior folk from SanDisk and Lexar, on a B & H podcast. Perhaps that program is OK, but I won't take a chance on it, I will follow the manufacturers' advice. Is that plain enough?

[@photojoseph]

50 years experience certainly counts for something 😉I will point out however that solid state memory is very different than spinning disk, and actually fragmentation is much LESS of a problem, but it is ProGrade that recommended the clean format occasionally to me. Some cameras (not many, but a few) will actually do a long/clean/full format in camera. Most do not. Formatting in the computer is perfectly fine; you just need to reformat it in the camera to ensure it has the right format/headers on the disk. Interesting that you've heard otherwise. Last thing I'll say is that it is worth testing, and I may do it.

[@pythonprofreak7522]

ProGrade Digital 128GB UHS-II SDXC for V90 ($98.10) and two 256GB V60 ($152.00 for 2 cards). Since from the review, the V60 might be lack a bit but the price is so low and yet better than Sandisk sd card in both read and write speed. I will call bhphotovideo when the promotion is going to end and get them before the promotion ended. Thank you again.

[@photojoseph]

Right on. Good luck! And be sure to check out buying direct from ProGrade - they are often doing promotions themselves (and I have a 10% discount code; see this link) geni.us/ProGrade

[@bulltivation7846]

When I see you in my screen I'm expecting at least 50min monologue, but this is surprising

[@photojoseph]

Then I guess you’ve only had the pleasure of watching my live shows, which are often an hour long. My edited videos are typically around 10 minutes. Surprise!

[@bulltivation7846]

@@photojoseph I admire your work! If I need to know anything about my gh5 or some other topic, you are the most comprehensive

[@photojoseph]

@@bulltivation7846 thank you ☺️

[@NewYorkerPEACE]

i'm shooting an sony a9 20 per sec a lot. can i use a V90 card XC II slot and V30 back up XC I slot or do i need 2 V90?

[@sutv6754]

Thanks Great and helpful video, I really needed the low down. That being said B and H charges $319 for 2 cards and the PRO Grade website charges 360 so the 10 percent code is mute and mute. Just saying.

[@photojoseph]

oh really… maybe that's why ProGrade just "upgraded" my discount to 20%! PHOTOJOSEPH20 is the new code (it's on the links, too).

[@jaxs.5110]

Thank you for reviewing. Just purchased two 256g v90 from ebay prograde-digital @$287.98 plus shipping. Bit worried about the reliability though..

[@photojoseph]

why would you do that when it’s $240 new from ProGrade direct, and that’s before my discount geni.us/ProGrade

[@jaxs.5110]

PhotoJoseph omg I thought the code is expired 😓

[@georgedavall9449]

@@jaxs.5110 Ha Ha Pity the Fool! 😆 😂

[@stanlam986]

Hi

[@basilbcf]

D'oh!

[@untoldofficialyoutube8563]

Doh !