V8 Supercars Flashback - Whincup's Penalty for a Pit Stop Error (Adelaide 2014)

[@davidcorrigan6578]

the other guy had it covered, the controller didn't have to touch the car

[@acepilot87]

I think that this is a case where the rules could use some clarification. The spirit of the rule - which was enforced - is that the car controller should not work on the car because they should be watching pit lane and ensuring a safe release. The wording of the rule could make the argument that they shouldn't be an extra pair of hands. Red Bull's argument has some merit in regards to whether or not "work" was done, but their perspective seems to ignore the safety issue this raises. At any rate, he shouldn't touch the car, he did, and that's pretty much as far as the argument needs to go.

[@61SGman]

And people say red bull doesn’t get penalties

[@JMEAUS22]

Michael They do, but only the undeniable ones. If it’s a 50/50 they will & have never gotten one

[@BingusTheBold]

Moe Syzlak wrong

[@alexthompson5275]

Correct. They also did at Bathurst

[@Steve-gm2jl]

how the fuck does the controller not know this

[@jackhuiskessalesexecutive92]

Skaife not saying a word during it all as 888 getting a penalty makes him cry shows his true bias every race

[@LHudson21201]

The Inbred in the supercars thread

[@yeingsterable]

Go get your ears checked.

[@stormsurfer8293]

It was a breach and not to mention the back wheels spinning whilst still on the jacks. Was only slightly but the wheels must remain still until the car is brought to the ground. If they don’t get a penalty for a the car controller touching the car, they would of got one for the wheels turning.

[@stephencatsoulis8960]

Incorrect, the wheels slightly moving happens when they engadge first gear, perfectly legal and everyone does it.

[@jackcunning5332]

What a joke

[@alexthompson5275]

Rules are rules

[@Dayrahl]

Never performed work on the car he touched it to feell the give if thats worth a penatly them politics come into play fuckni hate what racing is sometimes

[@rickshaw2425]

Dayrahl Agreed, and the decision maker for the penalty is Jason Bargwanna !! Who was voted one the dirtiest drivers in the field by his peers, according to the recently published Auto Action 2011 Drivers Poll. Bargwanna is a bad sport and has never forgiven Whincup for his "loss" at Bathurst www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/late-shunt-angers-jason-bargwanna/news-story/db675ce1891b2a058f5ce7ed094a1c26?sv=dc9abc09bccfb4d46168f578ec994650

[@mcdoogle6549]

Dayrahl it’s not about if they performed work the rules are car controller can’t touch the car at all trust me he deserved the penalty

[@jimmyj100]

He ‘worked’ on it mate, sorry

[@mcdoogle6549]

jimmyj100 I race and the rules are touch not work

[@Jahanoudis]

Checking to see if the damage on the car will be a problem is working on the car

[@Jahanoudis]

His wheels rotate while on the jacks as well

[@ryryrichard5988]

Chuck It’s a full rotation that accounts for a penalty. That was barely even half

[@alexthompson5275]

He also got pinned at Bathurst for contacting on mark winterbottoms car

[@razbaybee8336]

Rules are rules. Far call I think. The 2010 defuser-gate with Whincup was a clear robbery tho

[@rickshaw2425]

Emenike Far call is correct, farking ridiculous At no time did the car controller provide any "work" on the car This is just another 'payback' by Bargwanna

[@catlikepizzagaming8280]

Can’t feel sorry for him when you look how he destroyed Scott McLaughlins chance of winning Bathurst

[@alittleodd1]

Red Bull have had it in for Scott and there dirty tricks include CL's "side swipe" which cost him(SMc) the Championship also.

[@aussiesharkskill2124]

@@alittleodd1 Side Swipe, Ohhhh so thats why Craig went spearing damaged because of getting pushed into the kink by Scott Mclaughlin... and then fired into the fence at the end of the straight.

[@haydenveld8516]

yeah righto, im by no means a whincup fan but the blame for the Bathurst incident is also on McLaughlin because if you watch it you see McLaughlins re-entry you will see that he crosses half of the track so he should've been re-entering on the far right of the circuit and tander was also pretty optimistic and should've been able to see that coming, in my eyes it was a racing incident, and the one with cl was 90% scotties fault

[@nmode7420]

They never deserved this penalty. And I dont even like whincup. Yes, the intent of the penalty, is that the car controller is supposed to observing the entire area around the car and down pitlane, for safety, and thus is not meant to be distracted by performing work. However, that is not how the rule is written. It is specifically written as "must not perform work on the car". Simply touching a car, does not constitute performing work (in fact, it's actually possible to perform work on a car without touching it). You cant apply a penalty based on its intent, you can only apply a penalty based on it's black and white writing. The solution here, was for race control to identify that there was a weakness in the wording of the rule not meeting its intent, and to introduce a rule change in the future. Not to apply a penalty.

[@hemichump]

6:01 "that's the car controllers job, direct the "crew" to do the work". No that would make him a crew controller making him responsible for things like telling the crew what to do in the pit like change the left tyres first. 6:49 tyres spinning

[@angus851]

hemichump it has to be a full rotation for that rule to apply. The jerk in the wheel is from putting the car in gear. That's permitted under the rules.

[@peterbarber7613]

hemichump.the tyres didn't turn at all

[@AidanMillward]

He's allowed to direct, but he's not allowed to touch the car.

[@kevintaylor671]

Either way RBR busted for infringing pit lane rules and automatically go and argue the point go figure never accepts the decisions of makers and then lobby to have them changed Good old RD at his best

[@benthomas4430]

That’s Roland Dane for you lol. Still a massive twat. Got forced out of Britain for what he did and still being a massive wanker in Australia

[@communistcapitalistjewhitl2908]

Cry harder

[@des782]

Kevin Taylor I know it's years later, BUT did you watch the same video as me ?? I'm sure I heard MD say something like I don't like it BUT thems the rules !!! Wouldn't be a bias ford fan by chance ???

[@benpasquale6353]

yeah good on ya neil just tell the whole world about it

[@thomasmundy2984]

why shouldn't he? That's his job to describe what's happening and give insight into things like the rules in the case.

[@kevintaylor671]

What and Mark Skaife doesnt or hasnt now as commentators its their job difference being Skaife is more vocal about it

[@christobotha1700]

Tape was being applied to car and controller made sure tape was one correctly - working on car.

[@keithburgess4088]

this is why a lot of people have lost respect for this Supercar Crap... wonder why the Crowds aren't coming to events, the perfect example of BULLSHIT.

[@jimmyj100]

Keith Burgess relax..

[@mattstevens9289]

All I can say is thank fuck 7 don't televise anymore piss poor angels.

[@barryphillips7327]

Oh dear how sad never mind, ha ha ha ha lol lol.

[@ceejay8021]

Typical redbull cheating dogs I was supprised roland dayne didn't get his way there is a first for everything

[@bus5683]

Crompo the snitch

[@alexthompson5275]

Jdub got investigated cause of the car controller touching the car. A big no no

[@bus5683]

alex thompson yeah I know what he got in trouble for I did you know wAtch the exact same video as you ......

[@yeingsterable]

@@bus5683 You think because of Crompton that’s why they figured it out? Oh lord.

[@bus5683]

@@yeingsterable it’s a joke mate

[@meganjay30]

lol not about being a ford fan that fkn whincup is fuckt up big time just watch the last 4 bathurst 1000's for a start 😂