Vaccine Nonsense, Debunked (w/Dr. Paul Offit)

[@davidj7607]

when you have a specialist on the show and he says stuff like "maybe", "I don't know", "we will learn over time" confirms that mandates should not be in place in absence of data

[@djcgjhvicbimgvvn]

Even with data, mandates should not be in place

[@stephaniemitchell7269]

In reality it was never a vaccine mandate, but a mandated, forced and coerced participation in a scientific experiment without informed consent, compensation or liability. First do no harm. To acknowledge the harm then essentially gloss over and dismiss it & the harm that will be done with "we'll just have to wait and see" is criminal.

[@geraldmacneil8995]

@@bobshenatzky5576 Have you even watched the video? Can you give examples of where your parallels are coming from?

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@Jason Johnson He should! Because he’s smart! He would actually being seeing a doctor who’s not a lap sitter of the establishment

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@geraldmacneil8995 How could you possibly need examples… did you watch the video

[@charlotte7268]

Yeah, my trust in public health is basically gone, I don’t trust anything the CDC says and I’m a nurse.

[@plintdillion286]

They will in anyway insure you. 🤓

[@kimmartin6063]

Right they are with the gov.

[@JennyBrie2006]

As an MS patient, I lost my faith in it all, especially when my neurologist follows the MS society who in turn follows the CDC. Most patients I notice let their doctors guilt them into taking advice without question. I've found too many short comings in doctors knowledge that should be a given or they should have asked instead of assuming. Like a specialist I saw assumed I regularly got steroids for MS 🤦 Wrong kind of MS. Or a GP assuming the lumbar was regularly imaged 🤦 when the spinal cord stops at L1-2 and I wanted my lumbar checked for worsening of DDD. Just to name a couple 😑

[@donnazukadley7300]

Me too. 32 years a nurse and now vaccine injured

[@charlotte7268]

@@donnazukadley7300 Oh geez, sorry to hear that

[@ladyhawkNone]

We are in trouble. We don't trust any of them. They've lied way too much.

[@elizabethAbbott-q6m]

Lied? or just dont know? either way it is unsettling

[@michaelwilson2209]

don't know???? unsettling!!! @@elizabethAbbott-q6m

[@ladyhawkNone]

@@elizabethAbbott-q6m yeah I still have drs pushing c-vac still!

[@danielasuncion9991]

The L word is being used far too much. You remember the idea that the virus that causes AIDS was made in a US military lab? That fake story was dreamed up by the KGB. "Department A" of the KGB.

[@wolfster747]

Apparently, I am an outlier, as a lifelong progressive democrat who is listening to epidemiology experts on KZbin, reading journal articles and criticizing the CDC and public health for paternalism. The science does not support a mass booster policy.

[@ammabee3693]

I don’t know that we are outliers. 75% are not biting. Maybe we are. Can’t figure it out. Feeling like a political orphan.

[@blankname6629]

The problem with saying the science does not support it is that even this guy who dr z brought on started hedging on his initial hypothesis which was science does not support getting a booster. He basically went from saying there is no benefit to saying well there are benefits. Lol

[@cyndijohnson5473]

And I hope you are recognizing your party doesn’t support science. They use it to control people just like everything else they say and do.

[@heatherjohnson6672]

@Jason Johnson She said the science does not support a "mass" booster policy... mass implies for all. Yes, boosters are good for some people. People should have a choice. I think we all agree on that.

[@pauldelphos4924]

Hope you are still not a progressive Dem. Anyone who thinks giving up any freedom to our government after seeing how far they will go to lie. Blatantly lie. Fauci, Walensky, Biden all directly lied. And these vaccines only work for a few months and actually hurt your protection.

[@thomaswalsh1082]

Remember this gem from a year ago? "Get the vaccine and you won't catch or spread Covid"

[@daisyanddixieenglishbulldo8787]

Yup! My thoughts exactly

[@windygirl2342]

OMG they never said that, only anti-vaxers spread that nonsense. We know we can still get covid, just not as bad of a case that might kill us. As for spreading covid, duh, of course it's possible if you have covid.

[@loop1479]

"safe and effective".

[@sheridan1887]

@@loop1479 yep, saving lives!

[@Memphis2010GFC]

No one has ever said that if you get vaccinated you will not get covid-19. Why? There is no vaccine for any disease that gives you 100% protection against the disease! getting vaccinated does reduce spread (but not a well as it was hoped) by reducing the chances of you getting infected (but that wanes).

[@costyo6993]

Vaccine mandates are all fun and games until you don't want another dose and cannot get an exemption. Maybe at that point, you will understand the importance of informed consent and bodily autonomy.

[@SpectatorAlius]

If only you had any idea how many people whined about "bodily autonomy" only to regret their words bitterly when they landed in the hospital and on a ventilator because they made excuses for refusing the booster shot!

[@WeJamWorld]

@@SpectatorAlius gimme a break - you ain’t even making a real case

[@kphawaii]

@@SpectatorAlius i would bet many of those who ended up in the hospital that were unvaxed knew the gravity of their decision. What they didn’t know is the doctors there were captured by their administrators to not save their life but to only prescribe what Fauci allows. And this is why people die. Not because of covid of being unvaxed but because hospitals are stopping doctors from being doctors.

[@SpectatorAlius]

@@WeJamWorld How would you know? You couldn't recognize a real case being made if your life depended on it.

[@SpectatorAlius]

@@kphawaii You drank the antivaxer Kool Ade. We simply do not have effective therapeutics for COVID 19. The vaccines *are* the best medicines we have for it. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

I tried to fill out the VAERS form for my mother in law, who passed away two days after receiving her vaccine, and was NOT able to do it, due to the medical jargon needed and the vaccine lot number, that I didn’t have. The issue of VAERS is very complex and nuanced. IMO

[@AAS-fr7bm]

The fact that you trusted the health officials and took the shot to then be dismissed and left alone to deal with the consequences is so disheartening.

[@SpectatorAlius]

There is a bigger problem with VAAERS: there is absolutely no quality control on the data. Nobody really knows what really happened to the people reporting adverse effects. We *certainly* do not know it was the vaccine that caused it.

[@user-es5jq6yy9l]

This is so horrible. May I ask how old was she? If its ok with you. Now i am concerned. Why would it be difficult to report ?

[@user-es5jq6yy9l]

The lot number should be found on the vaccine card. Do you see it? Can you ask your mom's doctor to submit it?

[@kannwilk7805]

You have to have all of the lot number and information for the vaers. They send you several weeks of check ins text asking how you feel and if your feel your heal is getting worse or the same. When a co worker had some issues after receiving the shot I work in health field our Chief RN reported it. Officially. Due to the reaction or side effect the coworker. They have been following her and touching base. So the medical facility does report and an autopsy should have been conducted also.

[@brendenreid8186]

He's supportive of mandates until they mandate something that he personally doesn't agree with.... imagine that....

[@wakemewhenitsover3021]

BINGO

[@costyo6993]

Vaccine mandates are all fun and games until you don't want another dose and cannot get an exemption. Maybe at that point, you will understand the importance of informed consent and bodily autonomy.

[@amberlindberg3435]

EXACTLY!!! I have been saying this all along! You like it until they come after YOU. 🙄 Ridiculous!

[@keisi1574]

@@amberlindberg3435 Something is very wrong with those who want to force others to do anything.

[@AustinCDennis]

He "personally" didn't agree with it by using his scientific expertise.

[@jdknutsen]

Dr. Offit is much more willing to give Fauci, the CDC and the FDA the benefit of positive intent than the average American. At times, it seems like he’s almost choosing not to draw obvious conclusions that those individuals have trashed public trust. I wish I could have his optimism but I can’t.

[@jrg4094]

What I find interesting is when Pfizer hands an FDA commitee their own research. The company providing the research that will make them more money is doing their own research. To me, that is a red flag.

[@openyoureyes3969]

Read page 137 of the book "The Real Anthony Fauci" it exposes where Paul Offits loyalties lie and it isn't with us or our Children my friend.

[@edimbukvarevic90]

Often, they do have positive intent, but they are ignorant/incompetent. The evidence for this is that they do the same to their children/family or friends. I mean giving wrong/harmful advice. We live in an idiocracy. Idiots on the top.

[@scoopdecoop]

I don’t think it his optimism. Fact is he’s one of them and obviously already borderline because he’s not 100% in agreement

[@rickduque5799]

You definitely wouldn't have his optimism if you read the book "The Real Fauci". I had to stop reading halfway, just couldn't take it anymore. Was getting so upset with how the public gets duped over and over, and we keep lining up for more.

[@skillet4068]

On vaccines we used to be told to talk to our Physician. Now the line is “go get vaccinated”. No consultation, no checking in with regards to your current medical condition, just do it. It seems a bit reckless.

[@periculumesse1525]

It is reckless. Vaccines use to be safer too. This one was not fully tested. No one knows what we did to our bodies long term.

[@strnglhld]

With this one pretty much everyone should get it

[@periculumesse1525]

@@strnglhld No, it is not a good idea to get it. It is for the covid that is past. Why get now? Risk other problems later. Seems reckless. . .

[@radedemenes]

I'm a nurse at a NYC hospital, I've had COVID-19 infection and have been fully vaccinated. I don't like the fact that I must take the third dose of the vaccine in order to maintain my employment. According to the recently announced by the NYS DOH guidance all staff members of the hospital are required to get COVID-19 boosters. Many of us have just had Omicron infection but doesn't matter. I'm not convinced this directive is justified given the findings regarding natural immunity and lack of risk factors on my part. I'm not sure the governor has enough medical knowledge to implement such mandates. The level of autonomy and freedom varies so much depending on the geographical location. I've been taught to respect my patients' right to informed consent however that element doesn't seem to apply to healthcare workers in some states 😏

[@soulfireonfire6423]

Doesn’t apply to Covid patients either

[@marklemont3735]

Other countries recognize a recent, positive infection as a reason to delay a further dose. I do not know why NY or our country does not recognize the value of an recent infection, which you survived well enough to continue daily life. It could be a simple blood test to measure the antibodies from infection,since they can differentiate them from vaccine antibodies. Perhaps a person would need to have a certain threshold of natural antibodies to get approved to pass on a booster? I do not support taking vaccines which are not needed. I have had my vaccines and booster by choice. If NY and California looked at the data on Delta and concluded previous infection was protective from Delta, shortly they should know if the same could be true with Omicron. It’s worth knowing. www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

[@27dforce]

In Connecticut, I need another dose, too! Even if it was 10 days ago the positive test, they say I'm ok to get vaccinated! And this is a hospital that has seen a 5 fold myocarditis rate in children from vaccination than any other place in the US! I think they're doing a study on this right now why the rate was so high here!

[@Journeywithmscohen]

Think about all of the surges happening to your system. The system will become fatigued or overactive, one or the other. So within a year: Jab 1&2- system reacts C19 infection- system reacts Jab 3- system reacts Omicron- system reacts all of that along with heightened stress is a lot going on.

[@27dforce]

@Imagine TV with Renee' what's crazy with me is after Jab2, which I got Moderna the first week it was out, my blood pressure went from an average of 118/68 to 180/105! My cardiologist has said I'm not the only one this happened too! Now you want Jab3, which I'm not sure what will happen!!! It's down to 130/90, now but will it jump higher again and stay! This was over a year ago I got the second one. Little nervous but I may let them fire me!

[@buckeroo93]

Trust in the CDC (and FDA for that matter) is so broken at this point, it's not going to matter what Walenski says. I envy Dr. Offit's optimism, but I think most of us boots-on-the-ground Docs are so disenfranchised with the politicization of public health, and even medicine in general surrounding COVID, that there's nothing other than a house-cleaning and new people at the top of our public health agencies that stands a change at restoring trust. I understand Dr. Offit has personal ties to these people and wants to give the benefit of the doubt, but that ship has long since sailed. Politicians are going to be political, it's the "medical" people at the top of these organizations that are responsible for allowing their agencies (and medical/public health decisions) to become subservient to politics.

[@plintdillion286]

When this man talks to "you" who are you? 3, 18, 65, 81.5 year old, pregnant woman, without cormorbidities or without,? A previously unvaccinated infected who is has recovered, a vaccinated "you" that didn't feel too great after the first, second or booster? What hypocrisy the way this man tries to belittle VAERs reporting, What the f is going on here!!?? Yes, they are beyond forgiving. That ship has really sailed. And the tribe BS can be slung back to where it should go. This is beyond tribal. Thanks for your comment.

[@GrahamNickerson]

@@plintdillion286 Plint, he simply pointed out that VAERs isn't a controlled and is therefore not reliable. He's speaking as a scientist. I find it fascinating that all of us can watch a video in which both people in the video advocate that mature adults need to get vaccinated and that the case for a full regimen is much less convincing for young people. Yet, the majority of the comments are still against vaccination and conspiracy prone.

[@trevorclapham5571]

I take away that this is an attempt at damage control. These doctors are biased and have seen their credibility be challenged and now want to fight to keep it. As you say that ship has sailed.

[@riel0563]

I already lost a lot of trust on Doctors lol. It's like none know what they're doing and are just following recipes for symptoms and never dig further. Sometimes it even feels like the patient is being treated like a paycheck and not a human being. Did the goal move from healing to encouraging constant visits and adding more pills to the cocktail that don't change anything at some point? It's ridiculous and this made it even worse.

[@trevorclapham5571]

@@riel0563 these two refer to doctors who work for the establishment and only site studies from the CDC and only bring credit to natural immunity after the CDC sites it. They mentioned the freedom rally and slander two doctors when they are representing 17,000 with verified signatures. The bias is so obvious. When they talk they repeat how vaccination is a must and only question should you get more after the second. It is amusing watching them squirm and get animated for being challenged on their narrative by 17,000 doctors who disagree with them. Clown show. They can claim the be centre but it is easy to see through the ruse.

[@josephcobrado4071]

I was infected with Covid 3rd quarter of last year and recovered in as short as a week. As of this writing, I am unvaxxed by choice . Because of government coercion, many of the people in my locale are fully vaccinated (2 doses at least) with more and more getting a 3rd. As of this writing, Omicron is surging in our place , I noticed a lot of my neighbors have coughs, colds or both. Whats kind of strange is, most of the people that I can describe with having those symptoms are the fully vaccinated. Curious.

[@racingrivals8934]

I notice the same vacinated seems to have a long term cough and always look like they have problem with their sinus

[@evanbobrowich1325]

This story is made up lol

[@jasons9087]

So many people die in car accidents even after wearing a seatbelt…curious LMAO

[@SpectatorAlius]

Don't press your luck. There have been numerous studies showing that natural immunity actually wanes *faster* than vaccine immunity. It is more "broad spectrum", since APCs present a much wider variety of viral protein fragments, but what good does that do you once you are 10 weeks out and immunity is waning? As for your report of your neighbors, this is still the cold season, most people cannot tell the difference between Omicron and a cold -- that is why we are trying to get test kits to everyone. And there is a bigger problem with your sampling of 'neighbors'. You say "two doses at least -- but there is a *huge* difference in protection between two and three doses -- especially when so many people got their 2nd shot 20 weeks ago, so that its protection has waned now.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

@@jasons9087 So maybe the seatbelts are not doing what they were supposed to be doing? Curious.....

[@tiffanyh4364]

I really wish you would have pushed him more of the validity of natural immunity. NOW he admits that we should have recognized natural immunity, but for the last year and a half, he has been refusing to admit that and towing the line that “we don’t know about natural immunity.” NOW he says “natural immunity works in all other viruses. Why should we think SARS Cov 2 is any different?” I would have liked to see you bring that up and force him to admit that he knew it and yet refused to go against the party line until now. His very influential voice would have been even more effective if he had spoken up last year at this time. I appreciate that he is speaking on up now, but I am not about to give him a pass for the statements he has made throughout the pandemic.

[@williamparry4538]

Makes you wonder what might be on his mind that he will speak out about in another 18 months?

[@persephonel2117]

He just used the word insurrection unironically. So.

[@thatbroad5848]

Everybody who took high school biology knows that toots. I’m in my fifties and still remember it because we deal with it every winter! Is it a cold or do I now have an infection? Why do they push a new flu vax every year? Because it’s different mutations spreading. We act like we’ve had lobotomies when we take in news. It’s not like we don’t know that there’s a prompter and these people are actors. They read lines with emphasis. Yet when they speak of the untouchable they drip superiority. Like these two at the start of the cast. It was sort of gross. And now after 18 months of tv doctors not thinking for themselves for one minute, taking cues from politicians and news anchors and marches, now the Goya’s eat those words. They know they do. But they’d rather let this whole place fester than apologize and admit that they got lost and led us badly. Most people would accept an apology. Some won’t. And they deserve it.

[@davidpaz9389]

Regarding Covid-19 the concept of natural immunity was misinformation and a conspiracy theory.

[@openyoureyes3969]

Read page 137 of the book "The Real Anthony Fauci"...it exposes where Paul Offits loyalties lie....and it ain't with you, me or our Children.

[@dariolizarraga7126]

I’d pay money to watch a debate with you and Dr. Offet one one side and Drs. Malone and McCullough on the other. Would you have the courage to debate them?

[@SRWhitting]

Offer wouldn't

[@jimg4632]

Hell no they'd force them to answer real questions

[@BitsyBee]

No, he wouldn't. He's a pseudo intellect with a HUGE ego.

[@Weaveuh]

Yeah, that would never happen. The veil would be lifted.

[@kphawaii]

ZDoggMD acts like an elitist when it comes to debating the other side. He’s above it.

[@kungfreddie]

Malone never said he invented the vaccine.. he said he invented the technique it was built on.

[@Tod_oMal]

Calling pregnant women "pregnant people", is like calling every other object that hammers a nail, also a hammer.

[@orangechickengorl]

It’s also sexist and misogynistic asf, female erasure at its finest.

[@jasong7373]

I also don’t like the term but this analogy is a mess

[@Tod_oMal]

@@jasong7373 Yes I understand, surely it was not a moment of inspiration. I will think a better one.

[@idiotic1021]

What do you expect from these ultraliberal genderless baphomets

[@plonkster]

Every tradesman knows that ANY tool can be a hammer... Then again, tradies are one of the groups least likely to care about political correctness. You should watch a bunch of sparkies when you tell them they are not allowed to call the "diagonal cutters" what they normally call it...

[@chipibetico]

While I appreciate and respect and enjoy Dr. ZDogg’s work, I find it ironic that someone who continuously espouses how “nuanced” his thinking is, he is apparently incapable (or perhaps unwilling) of seeing beyond the pejorative (and often erroneously used) term “anti-vaxxer”. Personally, I have never met a single person who is completely “against” vaccines. What I have met are people who want the autonomy to make their own medical decisions, with no exceptions. Rather than falling into the trap of a false dichotomy (pro-vax vs anti-vax), why not use more descriptive, accurate terminology that isn’t dismissive?

[@matthewparsons9407]

I know he has admitted in the past that he dislikes using the term "anti-vaxxer." Although still uses it for lack of a better term

[@aikoshimada3167]

He wants to be seen as alt.middle, but he really is not.

[@matthewparsons9407]

@@aikoshimada3167 he very much is, or at the VERY least, slightly left of center, but even then, he's against the mandates so... Yeah. Maybe slightly right of center.

[@noelcayer3599]

Most use "antivax" term for lack of a better one . Most of the misinformation on Covid vaccines originated from antivaxers (no vaccines) so the term stuck describing those against Covid vaccines.

[@donnazukadley7300]

@@matthewparsons9407 anti-mandate is the better term

[@capnjan9835]

Ahhh yes, there we are. We are not living in a perfect world that is dominated by logic and reason. So having doubts about a 'safe and effective drug' that was developed by a company that will not take responsibility for it means that we are not logical? Or reasonable? Just shut up, little lady, we know what's best.

[@nutritiousyogi]

In efforts to stay “nuanced” I’ve been watching, reading, and looking at studies on all sides of the spectrum for the last 2 years and it’s getting increasingly harder to believe there isn’t something bigger going on then public health (fill in the blank with whatever)and though I do appreciate your (you, Vinay, Monica, Marty) attempts to validate both sides, it’s important to acknowledge there are many kinds of “antivaxers”, not just the political, conservative , or“buying into” what RFK, Malone, or Mercola say. There is nuance here as well. Maybe they have a child who has well-documented vaccine injury, or maybe they have high titers to a certain vaccine and want to hold off a bit, or displaying major signs of oxidative stress or methylation issues and want to weigh pros and cons with their doctor first. Heck, maybe they have a healthy child who’s already had Covid…imagine that. It’s not so black & white, and it comes off a bit patronizing to educated, well-researched people when they’re “politely” painted into a hard core political corner. They just think health care should be more personalized. No intervention is ever one-size-fits-all and the freedom march in WA, (though will be painted as “anti” everything), is about just that. People should have a choice. That used to be the liberal view but not sure what happened.

[@BRIGHTEYEDWILLIE]

Thank you for this comment!

[@AAS-fr7bm]

I’ve been doing the same and it’s so disheartening when i see people being ridiculed and dismissed, being labeled anti-vaxxers just for questioning health officials. it’s not like ALL doctors agree on vaccines, mandates etc.

[@nutritiousyogi]

@@AAS-fr7bm exactly. There is so much nuance that isn't being addressed.

[@81sante]

As someone reading a lot of studies myself, did you also here him saying: myocarditis 1 in 20.000. I mean how many studies do we have now showing it’s far below 1:5000, one from Hong Kong with 1:2750. is it just me who thinks, when did he get updated lately.?

[@nutritiousyogi]

@@81sante Yes, very strange. It's sad but there's no incentive for them to look deeper into all that "petty" stuff.

[@citezensane4413]

Why the Malone bashing? Personal attacks diminish trust and don’t help people “trust the science”

[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

I think Malone’s point about the hospitals and doctors having a financial incentive, was that a covid patient is billed for a higher price than a regular patient - thereby artificially incentivizing the doctors to classify more people as cases.

[@mindyrosin]

@@heynow01 where was this discovered? What's the source of the discovery? I sincerely want to know.

[@mindyrosin]

I understood him to be saying that there ISN'T an incentive to keep patients hospitalized. However, there IS a kind of incentive to get patients in and out of the hospital as quickly as possible.

[@mindyrosin]

@@heynow01 Oh dang. I do not know the "quack" search engine. Therefore I cannot wink. 😐

[@mindyrosin]

@@heynow01 OMG, too funny! Did not know about that search engine! No really. So, what should I search? COVID kickbacks? Or?

[@periculumesse1525]

The payments come from the CARES act. There are payments to reimburse hospitals for positive covid tests, respirator use, remdisavir use, even deaths. Reimbursements seems logically, but the economic stimulus may impact the medical choices of for profit hospitals.

[@susanlester7546]

I wasn't overly impressed but when he started talking about RFKjr being anti-vax you lost me. I've listened to him a lot and he definitely isn't anti-vax, he is however anti bad vax.

[@danaworkman2565]

Same with Malone. It’s like he gets his information on Malone/McCollough/RFK from secondary media sources which distort and misrepresent what they say. And it’s a real disservice to those of us who have heard compelling points from them, and need to know why these points aren’t valid. Instead, zdogg and others can’t even state what Malone/RFK say in a semi-accurate manner. It’s very frustrating.

[@carlitaticconi6655]

People are constantly maligning RFKJr, Malone and many others without ever responding to the things that they are saying. It's so unscientific to smear individuals rather than using data to counter their arguments.

[@jamesenderson9786]

Both of these lame doctors are matrix bot schills

[@reeceh78]

@@danaworkman2565 this is just wrong, I've seen Malone say the exact things they claimed he said in this video. Why does Malone continue to repeat the Vaers disinformation? Name a single claim from this video that is false or out of context, that goes for RFK jr. as well. Name a single specific thing talked about here that is a misrepresentation, and not RFKjr. being anti-vax, he is effectively antivax but still. People like you constantly post on videos that debunk your hero's claims but never offer a counterpoint, you just complain. It is by no means apparent that you even understand what was said in this video, and my hunch is you didn't watch much of it.

[@danaworkman2565]

@@reeceh78 Watched the whole thing, so you might need to revise your ideas about “people like me”. . He said Malone claims there is an “international conspiracy” by hospitals and medical personnel. Then he “debunks” this claim by stating how busy he is personally and how no one has time for that. So he implies that hospital staff/doctors are being accused of this massive conspiracy, which is completely misstating Malone’s position. Malone’s position is that, various high-level actors have conspired to promote certain narratives. For instance, Malone often talks about the ‘trusted news initiative’, which is an international alliance of mainstream news organizations, pharmaceutical companies, and wealthy donors like Gates and Soros- who literally control what types of information is promoted (and discredited) in news outlets all over the world. He has also talked about “fact-checkers” like Reuters that have personally gone after him- and he has pointed out that Reuters is owned by a Pfizer board member. There are the famous emails from Fauci and Francis Collins where they clearly conspire to suppress information they deem dangerous, despite scientific studies that suggest otherwise (essentially killing discourse). Malone talks about these (and other) SPECIFIC examples of people in power trying to silence, censor, and discredit experts who disagree with them. Malones “bottom line” is, this is not how good science is done. Zdogg, however, doesn’t state any of these points. Instead, he summarizes everything Malone says as “he claims there is an international conspiracy to hide the truth about Covid”, and then worse- he gives his personal experience as evidence that’s not true. The implication is that Malone has said all mid-level doctors at your local hospital are in cahoots together, which is obviously ridiculous. And you seem to be validating this ridiculous misrepresentation- I assume because it’s an easy way to discredit Malone without actually having to address his points. Now, I can be FAR MORE specific. I can give many more points that Malone makes that are completely misrepresented by zdogg. But a more accurate “summary” of Malone’s points, in my estimation, is: (1) only vaccinate high risk individuals (2) the science is constantly changing and we should not be censoring discussion on it- ESPECIALLY on people who are clearly qualified to give opinions. (3) There is data that suggests the vax could be dangerous to children- we don’t know for sure- but the risk of covid is so low in kids that it is very hard to scientifically/conclusively support mandating vaccination (and masking) for children. (4) politics have really controlled (and hindered) our ability to respond to the pandemic. Political actors need more accountability and less power in these situations. Now none of those points is radical. But if zdogg said that, he wouldn’t be able to quickly and arrogantly dismiss them as outrageous. So you wanted more specifics, and I can keep going, but I think I’ve expanded on why zdogg is really misrepresentating and slandering Malone in this video.

[@dockjm]

Have always been amazed at the number of people who put 100% faith in chemicals out of a lab, over mother nature's million years of developing its ridiculously powerful innate immune system.... and the power of nutrient dense nutrition, exercise, sunlight, fresh air.

[@Oldmusician1357]

Are you aware of the Spanish flu pandemic with NO VACCINES? How 'ridiculously powerful' were the immune systems of the estimated 50 million who died then?What about the victims of bubonic plague, smallpox, polio? At no point in human history have we lived longer, had better protection against deadly diseases, or had the ability to effectively treat chronic illness. What's TRULY amazing is that people who have never been part of actual scientific research teams actually believe that they have greater knowledge, experience and intelligence than those AROUND THE WORLD whose expertise is built on years of dedicated study. Any ideas. Please reply.

[@garychan2403]

I think you're blindsided to what Malone actually said. He even said got vaccinated. I think He was urging caution for kids and boosters.

[@martinleger6475]

Malone regrets taking the vaccine and is vocal on the lies about it's efficacy and safety.

[@notoillegals1]

Yes he took the Moderna vaccine when he got the virus. Long before we knew that what Fauci said was a lie.

[@pauldelphos4924]

@@notoillegals1 he already had covid and had a ridiculously bad reaction to the shot. When you hear him tell the story, you can tell, at the time of his shot, he was proud of the work he had done early on with this technology. Once he had his side effects and researched the limitations of the actual trials, including not testing on previously infected individuals, did he recognize the disaster we were heading for. To your point, he's VERY much against shots for kids, but tends to be for it for older people, which makes sense. He's most certainly not anti vaxx and these two clowns know that.

[@danaworkman2565]

Malones main message has ALWAYS been that people should have the choice, information should not be censored, and people at low risk (kids) should not be vaccinated. The thing that gets Malone in “trouble” is that he presents the scientific data about vaccine side effects, potential risk, and waning efficacy. The things that zdogg attributes to Malone in this video are ridiculous. It’s infuriating to see him misstate Malones positions and then mock him for it. But I’ve seen this from zdogg before with Geert Vanden Bossche. Zdogg is great until he tries to address what he sees as opposition. Then he acts like a 5 yr old and misrepresents and mocks people with valid points (that he seems unaware of)

[@danaworkman2565]

I really don’t think they do know that? They seem like they get their info on Malone from the NYT lol. It’s wildly inaccurate. But then because they are misinformed (I guess) they go on to mock these people and their “followers”. And it’s very off-putting. I got so excited when zdogg said “let’s look at Malone dispassionately”… then he proceeded to completely butcher Malones position and mock him. Huge let down, but pretty typical these days.

[@onetwothreeabc]

This episode just showed that everyone will be labeled as "anti-vaxxer" at some point.

[@ytcomms3945]

You can also turn into Unvaccinated even after your Booster shot. Like women in LA could turn back into virgins if plastic surgeons do surgery at the right location.

[@truthteller2711]

@@ytcomms3945 not true

[@ytcomms3945]

@@truthteller2711 which part? You might understand TROOF but apparently not SARCASM.

[@Bickle121]

Yeah I guess if you care or listen to whatever a random bunch of small people say

[@aikoshimada3167]

Exactly

[@dtrjr6157]

I came here via Triggernometry, and very much appreciated your interview there. I’m bothered here by the incorrect use of ‘anti-vaxxer.’ It is misleading in the same way as the use of ‘anti-immigration.’ Being against ONE FORM of vax (covid) or ONE FORM of immigration (illegal) does NOT make a person against ALL forms of each.

[@ExtraordinaryLiving]

🎯 👍

[@FreeCuban00]

Yes !!!!

[@althepsyphros3314]

Also anti vaxxer is loaded with all kinds of connotations. Like being into homeopathy and flat earth and stuff.

[@Punaeased]

Anyone want to explain why corporations have zero liability no matter what with their "vaccines"?

[@justanobody2188]

I hope this starts happening all over so people can be exposed for their bs. "UK MPs launch investigation after psychologists criticize totalitarian and grossly unethical tactics of deploying fear, shame and scapegoating during the pandemic."

[@matthummel1279]

As a lifelong Dem I have found myself switching to the 'opposition' over these mandates and this summary makes so much sense. Glad I'm not the only one going crazy.

[@kylehess5685]

I agree. Lifetime dem, the first time really voting against a dem was I voted to recall newsome in Cali. I wasn’t going to but every single ad I saw was him boasting about instituting vaccine mandates, proud of it like it was the right thing to do. I’m vaccinated and boosted but the vaccines don’t stop transmission so the argument for community help doesn’t carry. It’s also just a parent I know what’s good for you approach. That’s not American. Do we outlaw cigarettes then? These mandates have shown just how elitist people like newsome are.

[@damiantirado1515]

Please vote on the midterms election,we have to start showing those people who’s in charge,be safe 👍

[@keisi1574]

@@damiantirado1515 Republicans AND Democrats, AND EVERYONE who has voted for them‐ *ARE the problem.* Democrat n Republican are two sides of the same coin; two branches of the same party.

[@jimg4632]

Sont vote. It truly is the dempublican party. All against the common man and true freedom

[@DirtyLifeLove]

@@keisi1574 when is comes down to the hunger money and power it is the same for the leaders, but very different approaches at the heart. Though repubs have been less zealous about limited social spending. They just don't want new spending without it being paid for, in order to prevent inflation. Dems believe it is okay to go deeper in debt if it is for a good cause.

[@richl3436]

Again I ask this very simple question. He states Pregnant women are 2.5 times more likely to be hospitalized if unvaccinated. That type of comparison requires a baseline probability of infection and hospitalization. What is that number? If my wife is pregnant and she has a less than 1 percent chance of contracting this virus and ending up in the hospital, a 2 fold increase in that risk is not that significant! If I have a penny and you give me a dime, guess what, I'm 10 times wealthier than I was before. It doesn't mean i'm Rich by any measure though...

[@theemademoiselle5969]

Thank you for saying this ! Literally what i thought

[@MNP208]

I am a nurse and have a friend working in labor and delivery. She has seen some very sick moms with clotting issues. They are collecting placentas and are studying them.

[@AAS-fr7bm]

@@MNP208 vaccinated women? I’m not attacking I just want to know

[@MNP208]

@@AAS-fr7bm No, unvaccinated women.

[@stopthemadness8624]

most important item i got from this was " this is the first time in history that natural immunity doesn't count" Paul Offit.

[@ish7957]

Seeking confirmation bias?

[@inthefade]

@@ish7957 it is literally opposed to everything we know about how our immune systems work to presume that natural immunity doesn't work. And it is especially silly considering the narrow protection of these particular vaccines (a SINGLE protein structure of the virus is used), to think that immunity from the jab would be better. It is completely foolish, short of strong evidence otherwise.

[@ish7957]

@@inthefade are you vaccinated?

[@inthefade]

@@ish7957 Do you think it has any relevance to our conversation?

[@ish7957]

@@inthefade yes it does. Are you vaccinated?

[@mannym1843]

I've had it last year and am unvax'd. My unvax'd kid had a mild case (as most any kid) of omicron last month and we never stopped hugging and driving in a car. I gave it the same respect I would give a mild cold. Astonishingly, and by some miracle, we BOTH made it.. NOW, what kind of research besides "just get the shot so you don't kill EVERYBODY" can ANYONE furnish as to how me and my child are any more harmful to society than someone who's vax'd? Or how much more severe the symptoms are for us the 2nd go if not vaccinated? atleast some research on how the "unvax'd who've already had covid" are holding up the 2nd time they get it. Are they actually dying? Atleast My real life results have been positive (pun intended). But That's just my story, what do you say to the other billion people with a similar situation? How is this ignored when basically everyone they are trying to mandate has already had it. IT'S ABOUT TIME WE START MANDATING ANSWERS.

[@melaniejo5296]

“Mandating answers “! I like that!

[@tammybybee1404]

I don't like the fact that I'm labeled an anti_vaxer just because I don't want this one?!

[@mrdavester]

oh wow, i havn't been labelled that yet. I'm holding off on the booster because i'm not in a high risk group and everyone is catching and spreading Omicron anyway. I'n not worried about mild illness and it annoys me that this booster isn't even the correct vaccine for this variant.

[@jennihubby2877]

Same

[@pmo8135]

Welcome to the club. We're growing every day.

[@novakaya]

I understand. Just know it’s a very small and unsophisticated way of thinking. Unfortunately it’s all a lot of people are capable of.

[@novakaya]

@Jason Johnson really? Wow you’ve been fortunate to be protected from the talk of the herds.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

In my mind the debate isn't vaccine vs. anti-vaccine but mandate vs. anti-mandate. Both extremes (jab everyone all the time & no vaccines any time) are nuts and indicative of a larger societal problem, namely extreme polarization because of two different narratives. This is all electoral "strategy" trickling down to real-world, non-political implications.

[@slooob23]

Well said

[@rjc_2001]

The manner in which anti-vax and anti-mandate are conflated seems to be a big problem in news reporting, but not so much for most people whose views aren't echoing one extreme of political spectrum or the other. I see it as a personal choice for your own well-being, and no amount of mandating will encourage people; rather it seems to have the opposite effect: more division. Go figure.

[@plintdillion286]

What if it was a choice and not dictated?

[@DennisBolanos]

Well if it wasn't for the anti-vaccine movement, we wouldn't need vaccine mandates.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

@@plintdillion286 Anti-mandate is choice. "The Narrative" is anti-mandate = anti-vax and it's false and divisive. It's binary and backs people into corners.

[@63frogsinahat84]

now you know who NOT to listen to ever.................

[@robertcolling2188]

The political lines have shifted. It's no longer Liberal vs. Conservative. It is now Authoritarians vs. Freedom to choose.

[@MrHotLovin]

It's always been that. And the parties names and platforms have changed many times.

[@systematic402]

Good content. You guys talk about VAERS like anyone can just log on and report. It’s a felony to do a false report. It also takes a very long time and isn’t straight forward. So it’s highly unlikely that the things being reported are just “noise”. Thoughts?

[@stevencoardvenice]

Not a good argument. Most people who make all these sketchy reports are lunatics and hypochondriacs, not liars. And making something illegal has never stopped the public from breaking the laws, especially fanatical movements like the anti--va.cksers.

[@wakemewhenitsover3021]

I liken Twitter and FB hypochondriacs about a respiratory virus as to VAERS hypochondriacs about vaccines

[@blutek8989]

They keep saying things like that, which aren't true. Makes me feel like there is a blind eye being turned. Also theyre painting Malone as an anti vaxer. Malone is just against the mrna covid vaccine. He has a net worth of 18million, I doubt he's salty about the money. Seems like he's speaking out cus it's the right thing to do.

[@carmeldotson3183]

The CDC reviews, verifies, then uploads each report. Its clear whether a report is entered by HC professional or lay person

[@annetsoukalas1162]

My understanding, having heard many who have reported, or at least tried, it is a very cumberdome system and not easy to use hence fewer than should report. Even the medically trained and obliged have trouble finding the time.

[@thatsfunny2051]

I thought that Western society valued medical ethics, patient sovereignty, and informed consent. I am just lucky that I learnt that it doesn't before I'm old and ill enough to be at the mercy of the medical fraternity. My trust in public health officials and medicos in general could not be any lower at this point.

[@cheeseteaser9582]

I totally agree with you. I'm still trying to make sense of this strange world in which we all live now. I just wanted you to know that you're not alone.

[@wameres]

But VAeRs is intended to be a early warning system to investigate. Haven't heard much about investigating risks.

[@aaronjoseph7239]

I work in long term care. We are having an outbreak of omicron currently. Almost all of our residents are vaccinated with three doses. All the staff are double vaxed. Despite that, it is spreading like wildfire. No one is really having any severe symptoms. Oddly even the unvaccinated elderly with multiple comorbidities.

[@shootingbricks8554]

Data from South Africa was correct with Omicron. However people still question the South African data because the data came from 'Africa.'

[@professorstaceycamp]

Looks like the third dose works, then.

[@joelyounger]

@@professorstaceycamp what makes you come to that conclusion?

[@aaronjoseph7239]

@@professorstaceycamp I dunno, my unvaxed are also relatively asymptomatic. I am vaxed with two myself. I just had the omicron varient. There were more side effects from the 2nd dose than symptoms with omicron. Maybe the original covid 19 strain would have caused me problems. I got my second dose about a year ago. Appears that the vaccine provided good long term protection for me. Ive heard that it is just about as good as immunity from infection. Some odd reason despite me having had the infection work has mandated that i get boosted too. I have some issues with this. I have yet to find anyone who can provide any real reason why a booster is necessary so soon after infection other than political.

[@professorstaceycamp]

I am triple vaxxed as is my husband. My children are double vaxxed. None of us have had COVID yet, and I work with a lot of folks, including some COVID positive people. I wear PPE for one of my jobs and have been protected. Perhaps we have all been asymptomatic at some point, but so far we have not been sick for over 3 years and we have also had absolutely no reaction to any of the vaccines. My father, who is 74, just recovered from omicron and was minimally ill. He is triple vaxxed.

[@trailb4u]

I would like to see Dr Offit have a debate with Dr Malone.

[@pormantu]

Still smearing Dr.Malone. At least bring him on!

[@soulfireonfire6423]

He would show them the front door, open it , kick their axxes out, slam it and lock it! It would be like Rifle Man Vs Andy Griffith .

[@patrickmcmahon1443]

he has his Dr. Malone on-

[@LawrenceAugust_]

@@patrickmcmahon1443 when? Link?

[@bungeebones]

The manufacturers of vaccines are statutorily protected from lawsuits from any ill effects of their products. What people need to do is to get those requiring vaccines to realize they don't have those protections and get them to realize they are picking up the liability when the require them. That is a huge financial risk with no benefit.

[@johnlabarge]

@Lawofimprobability the problem is that vax manufacturers have no accountability for poor safety, particularly now.

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

Tell them they have 2 choices take on full responsibility for side effects: in a peaceful way or violence can be used to get even for any side effects

[@sammywhite5504]

The reason for the law protection is to prevent those companies from being destroyed from frivolous lawsuits. Especially when it comes to pharmaceutical companies.

[@djcgjhvicbimgvvn]

@@sammywhite5504 Sounds like the "too big to fail" thinking. How could removing patents from drugs, increasing competition in making those drugs, and decentralizing the production of those drugs (which fixes the original vulnerability issue) be a bad thing?

[@bungeebones]

@@sammywhite5504 So you say but the true motivation is well beyond our knowledge. Regardless, though, the courts are already well equipped with ways to dispense with "frivolous lawsuits" and I see no reason to segregate the pharmaceuticals (especially when their screw ups can have long-term consequences).

[@terrific804]

He didn't debunk anything. All he did was pat himself on the back.

[@nicolelawrence5177]

And yet, within two weeks after her vaccine my best friend started to have a racing heart. January and it’s still going, no answers. Within two weeks of her vaccine my sisters hair stared to fall out. Neither ever had an issue with those things before. I also had some mild complications of inflammation and weakness in the arm where my injection was given for two months afterward. I understand this is anecdotal but how many grains of sand does it take before you see a pile?? I’m not saying no vaccine I’m just saying there is more to this than meets the eye.

[@SDGreg]

That is what the VAERS database is for. It collects all those grains of sands and then those grains can be examined to see if further follow-up is needed. This is how the blood clots issue with J&J was detected.

[@plumberfiddle]

🤔

[@marklemont3735]

@Dogan it takes about 20 minutes to use VAERS. I doubt many doctors want to take that time.

[@lovesees4320]

@Dogan yer those terrible anti vaxers who got vacinated & had an adverse effect. 🤣😂😅

[@scrub8363]

​@Dogan Do you realize how incredibly biased you have to be to dismiss VAERS data completely? The form takes at a minimum 15 minutes to fill out, and it is a federal crime to make false reports. Plus, CDC removes entries that are clearly fake. Even CDC admits there is no evidence that there is widespread fraud. Still not convinced? Let's take it a step further then. More than half of the reports are filed by medical personnel, so even if we make an outrageous assumption that ALL the other reports are bogus/filed by "antivaxxers", the remaining adverse events is still enough to raise alarms. VAERS data is useful for detecting potential problems that need to be investigated; it doesn't prove that there's something wrong, but to ignore it completely and assume it's "flooded by anti-vaxxers" is irresponsible at best and at worst dishonest. In my opinion, your stance is no better than that of anti-vaxxers who assume every single VAERS incident is caused by the vaccine. You guys have the same thought process but just happen to be on different sides of the issue. www.science.org/content/article/antivaccine-activists-use-government-database-side-effects-scare-public [Some worry this might make it easy to post false reports. But CDC removes data that are clearly fake, such as a recent report purportedly filed by Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro about an adverse event in a beach volleyball superstar. And deliberate, false reporting to VAERS, which is a federal criminal offense, appears to be rare. "We don't have evidence that there is widespread fraud or gaming of the system," says Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of CDC's Immunization Safety Office, which oversees VAERS. "We have to balance keeping VAERS an open system and getting as much information as we can on vaccine safety against potential data quality problems."]

[@citezensane4413]

This is such misinformation. Malone has never been anti-vax or anti-COVID vax, he only cautions on unknown or unspoken risks for some people and the only thing I’ve heard him say he was AGAINST was vax MANDATES FOR CHILDREN.

[@blutek8989]

yup exactly. They are lying too make him look as if he's a hard-core anti vaxer and conspiracy theorist. That way people who are on the fence, quickly side with the vaccine. So far ive caught two lies, those about Malone and the part about the vaers where it's easy to submit that you turned into the hulk. You need to put specific information and it takes 45mins to complete. Not buying what these guys are selling me. Will still keep on open mind and look at sources without bias. So far, I don't want my booster. I'll take my 8000IU of vitamin D daily.

[@sharonabdalla3250]

I’m a nurse in maternity for 32 yrs, I’ve seen an increase in still birth and premature birth with women vaccinate during pregnancy. I haven’t tracked but hoping they continue to collect and study data in this area!!

[@gregfletcher3557]

There's a small county in Canada that went from 10 a year to 60. Very concerning.

[@nfn7998]

@ Sharon Abdalla, friend’s mother in 70’s. Had booster and now spotting.

[@SpectatorAlius]

Nursing school did not warn you against "post hoc ergo propter hoc"?

[@eternalperspective4136]

It will take people collectively speaking out on what they are seeing and experiencing first had for people to really know truth. "Truth" is too relative, censored, and manipulated otherwise.

[@saintkamus14]

Yikes...

[@chrisgoodenough1374]

AND no data that a booster will additionally protect those around you. The “mandates” are nothing more than governments and institutions being able to say “Look at us…we did something important”.

[@riel0563]

"This justifies the amount of taxpayer overfunding you put on us!" When most of these government institutions shouldn't even exist.

[@jennifergarcia8343]

What unvaccinated age group are dying in the hospital of omicron? Do they have co morbidities? You say all these unvaccinated people are dying but I haven’t known any yet. I am unvaccinated, 43 yr old female. I got the first wave of COVID in 2020 and I just got omicron… and here I am. My 9yo unvaccinated also got omicron and had low fever and slight headache. My double vaccinated husband got omicron and he had the worst symptoms of all of us.

[@kphawaii]

God bless you. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@YOL7M]

By creating all these yearly vaccines, wouldn't this affect your natural immune system to prepare to fight on it's own? would the immune system lose the ability to recognize viruses and create natural defenses? I think we should concentrate on making our immune system healthy and strong to fight anything that comes into our body: More Vit C, D3 (high doses, zinc, quercetin, NAC etc.

[@GaryVolts]

Maybe one dose to get us over the hump for new virus that just escaped from a Chinese lab, since the body would be unprepared, but after that we depend on our immune systems.

[@bullymaguire632]

Yearly, no Once every four months, yes

[@alainacarroll1234]

Paul and Monica are my favorite guests you have on the show to talk about covid. No matter how tired I am of covid and hearing about it, I love listening to them so I will listen.

[@belong7495]

I’m so unbelievably stressed out and undone. I’m a healthy RN that had Covid in the beginning and also recent. Came through fine both times. Had moderns vaccine, I have anti bodies but if I’m not boosted by Feb21 I’ll be terminated. Apparently I am a risk and unsafe to those around me, but only after the 21st. I don’t want to take it. I’m really starting to worry about side effects and no one can give me a medical reason to take it. I never thought this could happen in America…I was wrong😔

[@periculumesse1525]

I think people who wore the masks diligently, stayed home, followed every rule are now so tired and it did not work. The vaccinated still got Covid. Omicron was not as deadly, yet we were locked down where I live. You are not alone. There are millions of people like you. Now you want to skip one shot and you become an anti-vaxxer! You can lose your job. It's not fair! No, it's not. It has not been all along. What do we call this thing we went through? Medical tyranny? Authoritarianism? Many are getting red-pilled to now know this was more than just a medical response - but what was it?

[@drkatlewis]

All my close acquaintances are not vaccinated and none of them that have had it went to the hospital. I have had it twice, it was a sore throat- I never went to the hospital. How you respond has everything to do with your current health status. I know more people that have died of cancer and sudden cardiac arrest in the past year than in my lifetime. They were all vaccinated. Why hasn’t there been a meeting with people like Malone, McCulough, David Martin and CDC , FDA? Why?

[@bhutch6786]

This will be short. I'm 52 years old , never had a flu or covid shot and I'm still here. If you want the shot then go for it. MY CHOICE. period

[@uglyvision]

Absolutely is, just make sure since you decided not to get vaccinated that if you get Covid you treat it at home and stay out of the hospital so you don’t needlessly fill it up like the rest of the mostly unvaccinated.

[@slooob23]

@@uglyvision and you should stop driving, riding bicycles, drinking alcohol, playing sports or doing anything else that could cause you to possibly end up in hospital.

[@uglyvision]

@Amanda False Equivalency just like the idiot above. When you get in a car you wear a seatbelt right? You may still die if in a crash but you are doing all you can to avoid death. Look you don’t want to take the vaccine fine, but if you go to the hospital don’t get the montaclonial antibodies or other drugs, those were also made by big pharma. Hopefully you will just ride out the virus. I decided to get the vaccine and I’m pretty confident I’ll be fine and not need hospitalization.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@uglyvision Hey you just keep living in your fake vaccinated world! Thank god they changed the definition of what a vaccine is instead of actually delivering an actual vaccine. So keep thinking your superior in some way, by only being vaccinated because the definition was changed! Maybe tomorrow they will change another definition and you will a super hero!

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@UCo8bRskBIfZNDtgdOxwyTHA LMAO!!!

[@sailgirl1954]

My cousin in the 1950's received a polio vax and ended up dying with polio at the age of 12

[@sophiabarnhart6649]

I am so confused because part of his argument for vaccination (when you yourself are low risk) was so as to not spread it to others. We know now that vaccinated people spread the virus as well. I’m not anti-VAX, I’ve been vaccinated, but still confused about the point he was trying to make.

[@variant732]

That part was super mushy and borderline misinformation. He was also mushy on the justification for kids to get vaccinated. Smart guy, but we heard a lot of bureaucratic talking points rather than references to hard data and studies.

[@plonkster]

Vaccinated people shed significantly less virus though. He said that too 🙂 I've always understood this in a mathematical way, and possibly a little computer-sciency too (my field of study). If you take any number less than 1, and you continually raise it to an increasingly higher power, it will tend towards zero. Similarly, when you have many possible transmission chains whereby an infection can move between individuals, and you present this as a graph of nodes and edges, even reducing the odds by 30% at each node will not only lower the overall transmission to 0.7 (70%), it will lower it to some power of 0.7. If you treat enough of the nodes, and keeping in mind that the R-value (how many people a sick person infect) is somewhere between 2.3 and 2.7... the result has to be dramatic!

[@herbertbovine5694]

I'm absolutely positive the 4th shot will solve everything. If not, then certainly the 5th and 6th will. But, I swear, if the 7th shot doesn't finally get us back to normal I'm going to seriously reconsider getting my 8th

[@katemartinchef8057]

😅

[@SpectatorAlius]

You thought you were being clever, but you are not. There are, after all, therapeutics and other vaccines under development. You are not likely to require a fourth dose, far less likely a 5th one. A single shot of the US Army 'pan-coronavirus' vaccine will do the trick.

[@herbertbovine5694]

@@SpectatorAlius Can I borrow your crystal ball? (PS They are already on the 4th dose in Israel.)

[@herbertbovine5694]

@Jason Johnson Orange man has had 3 Covid shots so far, and has repeatedly urged people to do so as well -- so I guess that make YOU a Trump follower.

[@kphawaii]

Ha! Good one. lol.

[@ichiban6004]

At this point everyone is out on their own and needs to make the best decision based on their OWN research. It's impossible to trust what any of these people are saying because of whatever motives they may be driven by especially where there is profit to be made, all you have to do is look at all the people who are jab injured and are speaking out about it. Lots of Instagram pages with people sharing their stories it's horrifying. It's just not worth it for a virus with such an incredibly high survival rate.

[@BitsyBee]

I trust people, especially doctors, who have lost money and reputation. They are not, like this guy, trying to monetize a youtube channel. Honest scientists sounded crazy but they have been right from the beginning and SUFFERED for it. The scientists and doctors willing to suffer are the ones I believe: America's Frontline Doctors; FLCCC (Front Line Covid Critical Caregivers); and the signers of The Great Barrington Declaration.

[@elizabethAbbott-q6m]

Controversy has never happened before with a vaccine and that experts of all kind are questioning it or even raising the alarm should not be ignored.

[@charliecleanup]

Hey Doggie, I am wondering what to tell my colleague who had his pfizer booster shot and then had emergency surgery to install two stents less than a week later when he never had heart issues (mid 50s) or another who after his second dose had horrendous blood clots (early 60s)? or the doctors in the hospitals we work with that had the J&J and are now on their second and third time having SarsCov2... could go on but at this point the only people I know that are sick or that have been sick are those with these jabs. I am not sure what planet you live on but I was always under the impression that Doctors were supposed to do no harm not recommend harm to get more business or polish the nob to get research dollars. I really hope that you and yours don't suffer the way many of us have from your recommendations .. you might want to try being a doctor again (a healer) versus a Pez dispenser and find things that heal your patients. Be well.

[@openyoureyes3969]

Page 137 of the book "The Real Anthony Fauci" exposes who Paul Offit really is.

[@charliecleanup]

@@openyoureyes3969 thank you ... yes I am reading it now. Z Doggie should be renamed Zee Traitor to Humanity (said with a french accent of course)

[@co36]

I know of three people with 1° of separation Who all had blood clots within a short period of time following vaccination. All under 50

[@landonjackson3064]

Z Dogg don't give a shit . He's been pushing this experimental vaccine the whole time and giggles when Dr Offit laughs about the doctors all introducing themselves like it's funny. Z Dogg is a puke that does this all for clicks . Why didn't Dr. Paul Offit stand for what he believes in with natural immunity? He could have went public and stood up for what's right , but they all just giggled and said ohh well . People like both these men should be held accountable for at the very least complicity . Not ZDogg . He has laughed with his smugg face the whole time , because that's what the CDC and the FDA told him so it must have been true . These guys are sick humans

[@kevinsheldrick917]

Doctors are supposed to do no harm? Almost, if not every industry, is out to make money and get repeat customers. They make money if everyone is sick, not if they're well. But it's tricky because they have to try to not get caught when they make you sick.

[@DiggnDeepr]

Since Zdogg has a stance against vaccine mandates, he fits into the newly edited definition of "anti-vaxxer" The new definition states that an anti-vaxxer is ANYONE who opposes vaccine mandates. Regardless of how pro-vaccine someone is in general, they are considered to be part of the antithesis group, solely based on whether they support the political policies associated with these vaccines.

[@matthewparsons9407]

I would disagree. Just because you disagree with the policy doesn't determine whether you deny science or not.

[@_taste]

@Jason Johnson Merriam-Webster defines anti-vaxxer as "a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination". Did we forget that Google exists?

[@cooperating.systems]

Good discussion though on the whole. Btw. I find Peter McCullough's criticisms more convincing. His argument that one should not only have one way to treat the disease makes a lot of sense. Why have vaccines been the only option looked at? How does Pfizer's Paxlovid change the game? This really seems like it is a religious element (which you do mention at the beginning, and that is the right direction to go into)

[@christophermarcone5504]

...pro or anti vac both presume the definition of virus as pathogen / antigen. It is neither contagious nor able to mutate, evolve etc. These are bodily responses to environmental toxins or process of cellular respiration and elimination. Yes?.

[@loop1479]

These jabs are the beginning of the end.

[@vca6041]

Ok…would be awesome if you could interview Robert W. Malone, MD.

[@onetwothreeabc]

Dr. Offit, I know you are a fan of vaccine mandate in general. However, you probably have realized, if 2 doses can be mandated, there is no reason why the 3rd or 4th dose won't be mandated. There will be no end.

[@DahVoozel]

Is it a mandated vaccine or mandated testing?

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@DahVoozel Neither should be ! Its all total BS!

[@mst-pierrem5729]

I am so sad they politicized the vaccine and it anger me a lot.

[@yes_that_dolly]

How many MMR vaccines are you mandated to give your child? Has that gone up over time? Is there “no end” with that? Does the government mandate a third and fourth dose for your baby? No. Why not? Because everyone is trying their best to make sure your child is effectively protected but not getting useless extra vaccines. The government is not out to get you, to control you, to kill you. They are trying to figure out what helps you and your children not die.

[@AftercastGames]

The government is also not infallible. They can’t see the future, and they don’t know what negative impact their mandates will have on their citizens. They are doing the best they can to keep people safe. I am doing the best I can to keep my family safe. Drug companies are doing the best they can to make their stock holders rich. I’m perfectly fine with all of that. But the moment you cross the line into forcing citizens to do something against their will, there is only one possible outcome. Just provide people with accurate information, make whatever recommendations you see fit, and let the people make their own decisions. Anything else would be un-American.

[@xochiltrodriguez428]

I am watching the 5 hour panel discussion with doctors who are currently treating COVID+ patients. Its hosted by US Senator Ron Johnson. I haven't finished it. You could see it on Rumble. You Tube won't dare post it. It angers me that so many people died unnecessarily.

[@SpectatorAlius]

But are they telling you the truth abut who are the "so many people [tat] dies unnecessarily"? It is those who avoided the shots and booster. Every day I read about another one who landed in the hospital and bitterly regretted not getting boosted.

[@kqh123]

Good convo. Helpful and interesting. Why did Paul call the anti-vaccine mandate rally the anti vaccine rally though? There's a difference, and the organizers were clear about it. Paul must be out of touch.

[@PredatoryPrey]

Just more propaganda meant to keep the people divided.

[@danaworkman2565]

Zdogg completely misrepresented what Malone says. It was very disappointing after an otherwise quality interview. You can’t correct misinformation until you actually know what the “misinformant” said. And in this case, zdogg sounded like someone who relied on vox to tell him what Malone positions are. As a result his argument- whatever it was- was completely ineffective to me.

[@seamusseamus1202]

Pregnant women, pregnant women, pregnant women ,,,,,write that a few hundred times on the blackboard and you might become reality based and be respective of women.

[@jeffd.8461]

I am not an "Anti-Vaxer." But, I am anti mRNA vaccine. I don't particularly want to play vaccination roulette.

[@SpectatorAlius]

Then get the J&J shot. It is not an mRNA vaccine. But it is less effective.

[@bigtenfans5831]

Wow. Dr O reinforces the fact that we are building the plane as we fly it. Experimenting on the general public in the absence of clear evidence based decision making. Truly disheartening. The loss of trust will be difficult to recoup.

[@susancanter2909]

So how exactly shall we build this plane without doing it?

[@bigtenfans5831]

@@susancanter2909 concentrate resources and EUA designated pharma on the most vulnerable populations first. A one-size-fits all approach is not only wasteful it’s harmful.

[@jeffg7478]

@@susancanter2909 Isn't the answer obvious? Public health needs to be fully transparent even with the data that may be detrimental to their messaging, robust debate should be open and public, and the intervention should be voluntary.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

@@susancanter2909 How about allowing early treatments instead of dismissing them because they will stop the EUA status of the leaky liquids.

[@scoopdecoop]

Yep and because of all this crap going on Australians now have to be boosted every 3 months just to be allowed to work or leave their homes!!

[@djb5255]

I want to take Dr Offitt up on his offer of taking 10000 vaccines at once. Since he's so confident im sure he won't mind volunteering.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

It’s absolutely amazing we can sit here after two years and still talk in our same echo chambers. If you want to actually do some good for this country, ask people that are outside of your echo chamber to come on your show. Have an open discussion from BOTH SIDES. Anything short of that is just click bait at this point.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@@RavensEdge23 Everyone cares about the money. They don’t want to have their channel taken down, and I don’t want any channel taken down. Someone needs to step up and have the conversation. Get Paul Offit to have that debate if he’s the best man for the job. I have no skin in the game and don’t care “who wins” other than a win for the American people.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@@RavensEdge23 no doubt.

[@strike3959]

Best comment! :)

[@AustinCDennis]

@@RavensEdge23 well, McCullough wants Steve Kirch included, who isn't a scientist. Also I don't think an open debate podcast would suffice. Zdogg said on another recent episode with Monica Gandi, Marty, and others that a court room style debate is best. Both sides have reviewed all evidence, studies, etc. that way there's no rattling off random studies.

[@zacboyles1396]

@@AustinCDennis yes a courtroom debate and Fauci can be prosecuted while they’re all there.

[@nategd313]

Love listening to Paul, Vinay, Marty, Monica, and Other Dr. Z(Rachel). Keep it coming, Z. 👍🏻

[@DJ-xs7ln]

Three weeks ago scheduled to be boosted beyond my two Moderna shots. Slept on it and canceled early the next morning. Last week caught Omicron as a basketball official. Tested positive two days later. In process of fighting off the symptoms one week later. Close to being fully back to par. The reasoning at the time was everyone is going to get it eventually, why not now. Get it over with now. Why wait? The card deck count is in my favor. Seems to be working at 70+.

[@p.a.93]

Natural infection is better.

[@seangriffiths8036]

In Australia it is mid summer and average temperatures in most cities are 30C …to say warm weather is an enemy of SARS CoV2 is naive. If anything it is fresh air and sunlight that are the enemy of the virus.

[@danvining2186]

How much benefit do young and healthy people get from even one or two vaccines? Aren’t they only likely to have a mild case even without any vaccines?

[@edencoleman3008]

Yep. There are always anomalies of people not knowing they had "x" condition prior to getting infected , but by and large if you ARE healthy if you eat nutritious foods, exercise regularly, take vitamins etc you are definitely good to go with not having any of them especially at this point with omicron. I'm 38 and it was a cold with fever off and on for 2 days for me.

[@charlotte7268]

Statically, yes.

[@BillSchwan]

Following a stroke in2016, genetic testing determined a miscoding on chromosome 23 that make me the opposite of a hemophiliac. I’m anti vax for me as I don’t care to invite another stroke and my choice here is paramount to me.

[@dearandwild]

Nothing makes sense with these vaccine mandates. I still haven’t found one person to tell me what my benefits would be to get vaccinated. I already had covid when it was meant to be more dangerous and got over it without any issues. How on Earth am I in danger of covid now that it’s milder? People tell me ‘it will help prevent hospitalisation’. If my body fought it when it was more dangerous, why would I suddenly be in danger now that I also have antibodies? Being locked up for more than 2 months to ‘protect’ people like me is getting pretty frustrating

[@orest227]

the "benefit" to you is that pfizer and moderna would make more money and the politicians who suddenly care about you (but not about the opioid crisis, homelessness, the fact that most americans have literally no financial safety net, etc...) will gain more power. The key to understanding what is happening is to take the 100% cynical view, then it makes perfect sense.

[@Adriana-f1x]

Não se vacine. Continue firme!

[@algore92]

it's probably because it helps reduce the spread to other people because being vaccinated reduces the viral load by shortening the period you are infectious.

[@dearandwild]

@@algore92 I had a milder case or ‘less viral load’ than most, if not all, the vaccinated people I know who got infected, so this is still not relevant to me or makes any sense.

[@algore92]

@@dearandwild My point is that it would have been reduced had you had the vaccine prior, and that the chances of the people around you who are immune compromised would be reduced. I'm not so sure that because your symptoms weren't that bad, that it automatically translates to less viral load over a period. In either case, getting the vaccine is better in ever metric, whichever way you look at it, but it may not be the drastic improvement youre looking for

[@subsonicelf9271]

Maybe you should invite Dr Malone into the show. It doesn’t look very good to sit there ripping on him without his side of the argument. Just sayin.

[@Eramirez209]

🙏💯

[@subsonicelf9271]

@@Eramirez209 btw Dr Chris Martenson just updated us on the newest CDC data… Zdog n’ friends should be taking notes kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4iXgZKiaaqLj8k

[@LawrenceAugust_]

THIS. Z Dogg will never do it… nor will he interview Geert Vanden Bossche, who he’s talked mad shit about. Geert has challenged ANYBODY to a debate him… and he’s been right all throughout this pandemic.

[@AustinCDennis]

@@LawrenceAugust_ Bull. Bossche equated antibiotics with vaccines which is outright wrong.

[@LawrenceAugust_]

@@AustinCDennis If that's what you think his position hinges on, you are truly clueless. Perhaps listen to what he ACTUALLY says and dig into the nuance of his arguments, before you speak such nonsense. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_ccqKsqrqrqNE

[@teresadougherty8722]

RFK JR Speaks truth, Dr Offit does not.

[@sammyshammy103]

Can someone discuss why Pfizer results have been sealed for 75 years and is this a normal way of doing business.

[@kathylutter9211]

Because they have a lot to hide ! They were sued and a judge has just ordered them to release the documents within 8 months , I believe

[@1GratiaPlena]

50 years

[@emilyhinman5089]

And when Dr. Paul has so many questions about how these vaccines work, why is someone who wants to wait for more answers to make a decision to take a vaccine become someone who is so ostracized from society?

[@nissahauer4309]

He does have questions about the vaccine he has questions about the 3rd dose.

[@sea17wave]

He said here the mRna vaccine is the 1st mRna vaccine used so how that is not an experiment? People are been experiment plain and simple. There NO data for long term.

[@Nightjar726]

Spot on. My thoughts EXACTLY. Not to mention I heard a lot of “ I love Dr X and Dr Y.” I don’t care who you love. I want to hear evidence based science.

[@matthewdopler8997]

@@sea17wave You have been repeating the same statement that others said many times. The answer is that like all drugs, they did clinical trials to experiment on the drug. Also like all drugs, mass release of it is essentially phase 4 of trials in order to monitor the effects of it to determine any adverse effects that didn’t show up to clinical trials. Fortunately in the case of the vaccine, all the severe ones are rare and far more likely to occur when infected by the virus. It is approaching 2 years since the first vaccines were given. The products of the vaccine degrade quickly. The chances of any long term beyond this point is extremely unlikely.

[@georgeretsides4293]

@@sea17wave With your logic no medicine should ever have been released. Also that is what the clinical trials were conducted for.

[@jamesrussell415]

Only damaging public health for one generation is a very optomistic view

[@ethanbabbage4336]

When Paul says at the very beginning, "now I'm embraced by antivaxxers. That can't possibly be a good thing..." Why? It's so tempting to draw such hard lines between yourselves and those with differing opinions that you're missing the forest for the trees, same as the radical conspiracy theorists on the other side whom you condemn. Whenever people of wildly differently political identities and beliefs get lumped into the same category, whenever they are tugging on the same thread, you can almost be certain that it leads to something buried beneath the dominant narrative. Its not "an alternate universe," it is a canary in the coal mine. We just choose to remain blind to it. There is some common thread of truth running through the differing factions here that if we could set aside blaming each other long enough to uncover what it is we might realize this silly group identity game we've been playing for the masquerade that it is. So long as we are divided amongst ourselves propaganda will continue to dominate on both sides and few will dare to venture out into the no-mans land of truth for fear of their peers proclaiming, "he's one of them now."

[@wakemewhenitsover3021]

By Paul's own standards ..and ZDOGG too...they are both "anti-vaxxers" too- for questioning ANYTHING. They both just participated in propagandizing the anti-mandate rally and chose to call it anti-vax rally b/c a couple people who are skeptical of all vaccines spoke among many others who are not against vaccines. "Only WE" can have nuanced discussions/ have questions- as long as we virtue signal our "othering" of "those people" so we don't get lumped in"

[@ammabee3693]

Beautifully written. Gonna steal and repost 😎

[@AAS-fr7bm]

👏👏👏👏

[@tommoore9080]

Yes, Dr. Paul’s a great doctor…Really! Dr. Paul hasn’t talked about Pfizer and the FDA colluding in delaying the release of the original Pfizer study data. If you live under a rock and only watch legacy media, the FDA and Pfizer wanted 55 years to release study documents. Meanwhile, you loving and caring FDA approved an experimental gene therapy in 108 days. If this doesn’t raise the hair on you knock than there isn’t much hope for…go get your 10th booster, because there is no end in sight.

[@tommoore9080]

*******Newly released Pfizer data demonstrates pregnant women should not get a COVID-19 vaccine******** your government agencies care so much about women that they forced pregnant women to be vaccinated in order to keep their jobs. Meanwhile, Pfizer’s own data stated the complete opposite.

[@larryhb1]

So can a person be 'pro vaccine' and 'anti-boost'? Looking at the numbers of folks who are 'vaccinated' but not 'boosted' this may describe a large portion of our population. I have to agree with WHO...in that those vaccines now being used for boosters would be better used as the first shots in countries with limited access to the vaccinations.

[@skylarrsullivan2294]

Yes you can be, I have the same thought process.

[@haggismarsh]

Yes you can, absolutely. It just doesn't make sense to be boosted when it does nothing to stop the infection or the spread to other vaccinated people. We cannot have boosters every 10 weeks, it's unsustainable. In Israel they're up to 4th dose and counting with no effect on spread. At some stage we have to say enough.

[@nicoledburns82]

We are the same in our house. 2 pfizer doses in April but no booster. My teens were vaccinated in July but not boostered. 2 weeks ago my 16 year old had 24 hours of fever and headache and tested positive 3 times in one week. Nobody else in my house caught it and we all had negative test results.

[@sparker7768]

Agreed, makes sense!

[@noelcayer3599]

BC, Canada health authority is not recommending a booster for under 50 unless immune compromised. (all our vaccines are by government health notification and appointment only). But some provinces are, no consistency.

[@sumayaa990]

Invite an antivax representative for a debate if you truly want to debunk them. Debunk them to their face if you dare.

[@stonemason66]

never gonna happen.

[@KevinWayne]

Dr Dan Wilson has debated and debunked AntiVaxx nutcases to their face on his channel "Debunk The Funk" and has torn them to shreds.

[@javiervelasquez1807]

@@KevinWayneRoar!

[@michelewyn533]

Thank you for this interview. This gives me some faith in the medical profession. Never ever go for our children without sufficient data that it is to their benefit. The CDC's goal seems to be to eliminate all illness even if it's mild. More doctors need to speak up.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

Thats is in no way their goal! Far from it!

[@chedderburg]

I think you are being too generous. Rewatch Dallas buyers club and understand it’s the same players but they have 35 years more experience. Then watch the big short.

[@jamilifunk6199]

@@soulfireonfire6423 Yep, it's alot more about the $$$.

[@mst-pierrem5729]

So much!!!

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@jamilifunk6199 That might be one aspect, but it is in no way, is their only end game!

[@oneminutewonder77]

Your videos are one of the only things which actually got me to even get the first two doses. I don't know why people consider this channel anti vaccine.

[@icenovax9197]

Really ???? This is an incredible pro vax channel No one who isn’t indoctrinated from birth thinks otherwise

[@starstuff5958]

@@icenovax9197 really????

[@jasoninflagstaff]

Because he dares to have an ounce of nuance in regards to wholesale loading up teenagers and younger with a booster dose every 2-6 months. Also in challenging the nonsensical narrative regarding covid recovered being completely ignored,in the vaccinate EVERYONE campaign.

[@nese3520]

@@icenovax9197 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Yes! 💕💕💕

[@GrnXnham]

Mathew, notice the responses to your comment? Everyone is either WAAAAAYYYY over on one side of this issue or WAAAAAYY over on the other side. Anyone who is anywhere in the middle is considered to be an extremist by either side (the word "indoctrinated" is used by both sides) because you aren't out on the fringe with them. I am in the middle and I consider this channel to be in the middle as well. He recommends vaccines but not necessarily for children and is against mandates. This sounds like a reasonable moderate position to me. But what do I know--I'm some kind of evil extremist for not being totally pro-vaccine or totally against it.

[@_taste]

Missing the point of the difference between hospitalized with/from COVID. It's about finding the real risk. We all know it still affects hospitals.

[@MK-ih6wp]

Wish these 2 would respond to Senator Ron Johnson's COVID hearings.

[@kathylutter9211]

They will never watch that ! Too much information that conflicts with their beliefs. I made myself sit through this interview to see what both sides were saying. Paul Offit is part of the Big Pharma machine who “loves” Tony Fauci and Rachelle Wolinsky !!! If you want the real truth , please read Robert Kennedy”s book on “The Real Anthony Fauci” which has thousands of references and lays out the absolute corruption and control of our federal health agencies by Big Pharma and how Fauci contributes to all of it.

[@MNP208]

On gawd, please get us a better Republican candidate. He has gone off the deep end!

[@LawrenceAugust_]

@@MNP208 The covid hearing has nothing to do with Ron Johnson personally … he just headed the hearing, which has over five hours of testimony by medical experts… tons of evidence presented. Put politics aside and watch first, then criticize if you must.

[@Jacob-Vivimord]

@@kathylutter9211 It's a shame that Robert Kennedy is an absolute loon.

[@johnq.public3302]

@@Jacob-Vivimord Yah....loony with solid facts and solid data.

[@sadieesther9721]

Just stop gaslighting us. Stop.

[@colinyffzxlorimer1903]

Technocrats get so buried in the technical details that they fail to see the bigger picture until it's too late

[@jbo1902]

Great convo. Wonder if Dr. Z and Paul know they are technically 'anti-vaxxers' as defined by Merriam Webster? Also, I don't think we can keep referring to data on the efficacy of vaccines vs Alpha, Beta, and Delta. Start focusing on efficacy vs Omicron B1 and B2 only. To make an assessment that the vaccines prevent severe illness is not currently based on any reputable studies.

[@mills1540]

Robert malone on joe rogan said he was lucky to be in the right room at the right time and was lucky to be a part of a team. He laughed that he invented the mrna vaccine

[@soulfireonfire6423]

He has never stated that he has inspected the MRN a vaccine. Ever! People keep saying it every time they have them on the shelf he has never said that. He invented the art and a technology deck keeps the I guess it’s the envelope or whatever anchored and protects it I’m half asleep right now but he never said that he invented the mRNA VACCINE! People need to get off that stupid statement he’s never said that ever he’s never said that once it’s like everybody’s a big puppet and they just repeat everything they hear why doesn’t somebody get on his website and see what really happened involving everything that went down at the Sault Institute in the 80s and early 90s and then maybe everybody will shut up and eat crow because just like this is the dog a hypocrite did the other day I wanted to videos where he totally dogged him alone and said something about him being the inventor he never said that. And if the idiot would go on his website and read what happened maybe he wouldn’t be lying to everybody

[@OldschoolFlaBoy]

Ask him how many shares of pharmaceutical stocks he holds I guarantee he won't answer it

[@lisarandall6144]

In late September, I was forced to make my grandmother get the COVID-19 vaccine for her admission into an elderly medical center after she had a stroke. For the past two weeks, they have prevented everyone, including those vaccinated from visiting without a negative covid test that had been taken within 24 hrs. The high demand for C19 tests is causing the turn-around time to increase from 24 and 48 hours to 72 and 96 hours later - ridiculous. Today, I received a call that my grandmother tested positive for COVID-19 (infected by a staff member). I got sick with COVID in May; have taken over 20 tests, have never tested positive a 2nd time, and yet I cannot visit with her: the medical industry is a joke.

[@richvid9814]

So, she was not boosted?

[@Butterfly-truth]

So many health workers in hospitals and nursing homes etc who are not getting vaccinated and are going to work sick with covid because their symptoms may be mild, so of course now they're spreading it to the patients. They're supposed to be health workers but they're spreading disease to the patients! And they may not be supported to have sick leave if they test positive for covid.

[@lisarandall6144]

@Jason Johnson My rant was about the idiocy of the policy and not being able to see my grandmother - not the vaccine. I don't know where you empty people come from, but I wish you weren't able to have so much influence on the policy that governs the rest of us.

[@johnq.public3302]

Lisa, you are correct. Our medical system has become an utter shameless disgrace on so many levels. I once dated someone who was sales rep for PFizer. Trust me all their drug trials are totally rigged and the doctors are all paid off.

[@ANOOPBAL]

Excellent talk!! My only issue here is Dr. Offit saying vaccines were primarly designed to prevent severe infection. However, this is not how the vaccine trials were designed. There were 2 primary outcomes and none of them were related to severe infection. Severe infection/hospitalization was a secondary outcome. We would need a huge sample size to have sufficient power to compare sever infections.

[@darlindiaz5950]

Were is the control group of the so important randomized-control trial you mentioned so much if every body is mandated to vaccinate? Even control groups of the vaccine trials were eliminated after few weeks giving them all the vaccine too. When will we have that importan information in order to make the right decision?

[@Ddkrew1]

Will they tell you about studies that show lower rates of leukemia in children who attend daycare? What do you think keeping people especially our young people apart will do to their long term immune systems as we keep them apart on purpose? That is what our immune systems were designed for!