Why Trump Won & What It Means For Healthcare | The VPZD Show Ep. 37

[@barbloft]

Vinay, I'm an RN that was forced to take jabs or lose my job, DESPITE having chest pain after #1. I want in on your retribution plan!!

[@indranidasgupta8982]

Then you should've gotten another job, dude.

[@barbloft]

@indranidasgupta8982 yep. But thanks for your keen insight.

[@Gr88tful]

So many understand your plight don't let those few make you feel badly. Let's face it, it could have just as easily gone the other way and people would be nasty and say someone deserved death from COVID for not getting jab. We were all working with what we knew and thought was hopefully best choice​@@barbloft

[@CC2GO]

Thank you for this. I’m independent who voted for Harris. I was disappointed and this is just what I needed to hear. Our country is going to be just fine and I hope that our president elect will do good things. Perhaps in four years both parties will come up with better Candidates/better plans. I will fight for the things I believe especially reproductive rights. I may not like Trump, but yes, he is our president.

[@HandcraftedintheFoothills]

He already has if you've been paying attention to what is already happening around the world passed few days😊

[@snsmystic]

The good news is that those "reproductive rights" are put in the hands of the states. No one has taken anything away and Trump has always maintained that the residents in each respective states should vote how they want on this course.

[@WalkerOne]

Great post.

[@libbyrumary4939]

And you’re smoking weed!

[@MichalMudd]

Climate change action will go backward most certainly. Even 2 docs don't seem concerned?

[@richardrains2593]

Trump put a female general contractor in charge of a major Manhattan project in the 1980s. When everyone thought it was crazy and she was tough as nails and brought it in under budget.

[@anasifre2479]

And she bash him too. Get figure

[@monykalynf3604]

Is that when his policy of fucking over his contractors started? by refusing to pay and bringing contractors to brink of bankruptcy so they accept a couple cents on the dollar? yes such GOOD business practices

[@rustybarrel516]

I’ve only heard RFK Jr. talk about vaccines a couple of times, and both times he’s stated that he’s not against vaccines but wants good studies to analyze and ensure their safety. Maybe he’s said something different at other times, but the statements I’ve heard seem reasonable and in line with the kinds of comments I’ve heard from both of you regarding the need for good evidence for any medical interventions.

[@nancycutino3713]

Vinay please have a conversation with Bobby. You have great recommendations.

[@ngVAT579]

Yes please I think there is a lot of potential to do good but he needs guidance.

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

@@nancycutino3713 yes!

[@CMA418]

Vinay: I'm not a fan of cancel culture. Also Vinay: I think she should be fired.

[@2snipe1]

@@CMA418 Might be better to say he doesn't like the social media pressure to fire someone that influences censoring the content and that which causes the firing of someone. That should be at the top level. But you're right that is does stem from social media blowing up and taking out of proportion sayings like this.

[@CMA418]

@@2snipe1 and he is a part of social media, quite influential in fact. Hypocrites everywhere I turn.

[@kateydid11]

I am so here for firing toddler maskers!!!! YES!!! I had THREE KIDS under 12 who all were forced to mask! I’m still FURIOUS!

[@mrb152]

People should be way more angry about Democrats covid response.

[@trifectamarc6705]

@@mrb152trump let 800k people die and mismanaged the response.

[@deliamillanes7141]

I’m brown, Asian an RN, GOP since became naturalized U.S. citizen . I voted for Trump. 🇺🇸❤️ Moral relativism and crazy liberalism need to be toned down, sovereignty, illegal immigration, aid to wars and yes throw inflation in that… for Trump! ✅❤️

[@morningperson707]

Please elaborate on what "moral relativism and crazy liberalism" means to you.

[@DamnitJerry11]

@@morningperson707more importantly, what does it mean to you? I also voted for Trump for exactly the same reasons, because I love women, LGB and people of all races & religion & want to see an end to the suffering the party in power has created on a global scale.

[@morningperson707]

@@DamnitJerry11 I did not use those terms and I asked the question of someone else. I actually don’t even use these terms at all so what they mean to me is inconsequential. I am interested in the OP’s answer since they used these terms. I am trying to gain clarity on what that means. Attacking, disparaging or blaming others or other points of view does not make for meaningful or constructive discussion.

[@MimiMkenya]

​@@morningperson707wokeism and leaning towards Communism.

[@MimiMkenya]

I'm a Kenyan immigrant who naturalized in 2019!! Registered Democrat but woke up very quickly during Covid/BLM in 2020 and voted Trump.

[@ravenramsey3115]

Man this is refreshing! I am so sick of being called racist, a bad parent, or whatever, by people who were my friends 3 days ago I'm a woman and disabled and I'm tired of people telling me who I need to vote for. Thank you guys for being smart and thinking for yourselves!

[@deidredonovan3864]

preach!

[@feanorcfw]

Maybe don't vote for racists if you don't want to be called that.

[@michaeldeegan3560]

My wife introverted too, but she’s always happy that she got out. Social event can drain her and it fills my cup. It’s funny how different personalities take to social situations.

[@davidlittle6621]

Real "health care" starts with taking care of your health (Nutrition, Exercise, Stress Management, and Sleep). Most conversations about "health care" are about how to pay for stuff, but not about how we have a healthier population.

[@HayseedHick]

💯. Get Marty Makery’s new book, “Blind Spots”.

[@oldandtired940]

100%. Ive been a paramedic for the last 24 years so have experience with the "healthcare" system. A few years ago I decided to get healthy. In my 40s I lost 80lbs, learned to eat healthy and prioritize excersize and sleep. I have never felt better and rarely feel "sick"

[@chanelv5373]

Got it. 😉

[@JeffJacquesmd]

100%

[@JeffJacquesmd]

I am an Internal Medicine physician, our “healthcare” system is a disease treatment system. We need to develop a “lifestyle choices, avoiding systemic chronic inflammation and wellbeing” system. True population health management, such that we care for our most precious asset, our fellow humans. Thank you for the frank and open dialogue

[@Amethyst_fairy81]

1st covid-19 infection almost killed me severe asthma ended up with long covid-19 severe autonomic neuropathy, severe gastroparesis, pots, severe me/cfs proven in testing. I try my best to wear a mask when out in groups but I don't know what another infection will do to me. My basic life functions no longer work I have autonomic failure. Let people have their masks if make them feel safer.. We don't know what they are dealing with..

[@monykalynf3604]

hope you do better, my daughter had her POTS triggered by H1N1 in 2009 likely. but masking does NOTHING without FULL OSHA standard PPE>

[@PattyAnneSwafford]

So glad to see you two together. You helped me get through Covid. I love you perspectives and I think you are wonderful.

[@lesliehunt4078]

Scientific American has become more propaganda than science communication. It's so disappointing, as it used to be such a respected journal. Many of my colleagues in the sciences have abandoned the journal in recent years, myself included

[@HayseedHick]

It’s been a POS for at least 15…20(?) years.

[@CMA418]

Best case scenario, Helmuth is dead wrong, the republicans prove they aren't fascists and don't want a Christian Theocratic Oligarchy, the Dems calm down and pick better candidates, and we all laugh about the hysteria in 20 years thinking a reality TV star was Hitler. Worst case scenario, history repeats itself, and in 20 years all the "bad people" are gone.

[@MichalMudd]

i read SA and find it factual and varied in topic, not falling for the drumming of "propaganda" by those trying to push their own agenda, primarily looking to block bold climate action.

[@lesliehunt4078]

??? Why would you assume I'm trying to block bold climate action? I'm a life-long environmental advocate. I just call it like I see it

[@our2kidsMR]

Marty Makary for Trump's Surgeon General!!

[@HayseedHick]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[@norniea]

Yessss!😅

[@davidlittle6621]

You guys are not only having great conversations, but are flat out HILARIOUS!

[@travisabel3343]

Vinay is the smartest man in the world. Bar none.

[@kennethduffy5671]

As an insurance broker, I can safely say that the ACA grossly sped up the rate in which health insurance premiums are rising. The data that suggests the ACA halted the rise in cost does not factor in employers reducing the level of coverage to employees or state/federal subsidies. It is intentionally misleading. The cost of the plans are significantly higher due to additional mandated coverages, taxes on premiums and no provisions in the bill to reduce cost. I’d be happy to detail this for you further if you’d like to reach out.

[@deidredonovan3864]

I hope they do! I want to hear!

[@BunnyKeene]

@@deidredonovan3864 They don’t appear to read comments…

[@Timetomakethedonuts28]

Mandates to cover costs so that the insurance you pay for actually covers something, instead of giving free money to the rip off insurance company and getting nothing in return Insurance is the biggest scam on the planet. That is why mandates are necessary The real culprit is now and in the past and in the future the insurance company bottom line. Take a look at profits and compensation I know, I work for one

[@kennethduffy5671]

Insurance companies, hospitals, Big Pharma and physician groups 100% get away with a lot that they shouldn’t be. In regards to the insurance companies, they still are paying out an awful lot in claims, which is a direct reflection of how much health care costs. You may pay $20k a year for coverage, which all goes towards that $1 million claim your coworker has. In that sense, you are correct in that you receive nothing for your health insurance premiums. One of the biggest issues I see is the poor metabolic health of our citizens and the poisoning of our food supply. See Bill Maher’s Fudge Report to scratch the surface.

[@jss2103]

the ACA is actually a design of the Heritage Foundation (which is going to have a lot of influence here on out). Unfortunately Trump had promised an improvement on the ACA and could not come up with one last term.

[@lindaseale41]

Love you guys. So glad free speech is now truly free. Keep up the good work-LRS,MD

[@monykalynf3604]

free speech never went away FFS

[@teriortiz5360]

About nutritional guidelines, What about the elderly in assisted living places- they are given horrible food and told it’s required by the guidelines😮

[@monykalynf3604]

Assisted living have some of the BEST food-what weed are you smoking?

[@niumt2009]

I love you two. Thank you for keeping it real. You two renew my faith in doctors.

[@pamfriesen2294]

Wisdom and humor is a lovely combination.

[@karinshinego42]

Love you guys. Anecdotally, when I moved to Hawaii after a lifetime of midwestern fluoride in the water, the dentist literally called in other providers in the office to show them my beautiful teeth, and said this is what fluoride in the water does.

[@debbieg3922]

I loved hearing Vinay’s full-throated laugh! 😅

[@keithdelaere4625]

Regarding the therapists making things worse…as a reformed therapist 😅, there is some truth in what you said indeed. Coddling people’s emotions is a slippery slope in this context. Helping people to think more dialectically, to challenge their dichotomous thinking about situations, to bolster their ability to tolerate disappointment or any negative valenced emotion is important. Generationally we are seeing less emotional resilience in our younger folks for a multitude of reasons. Thanks guys!

[@beab5850]

Well said. I am a former therapist and I agree.

[@CMA418]

As a patient of 8 different therapists, all of which were shit except 1(who was amazingly helpful), I think your position could use some more nuance. Devil's advocate: "Coddling people’s emotions is a slippery slope in this context" True! So is dismissing people's emotions. Sometimes people's emotions are justifiable given their perception, but also given their reality. "Oh, you're going to lose your healthcare? Oh boo hoo poor baby.", "Oh you accidentally got pregnant but you can't afford to raise a child? Well you shouldn't have been so stupid. Now you have to pay.", "Oh you care about Palestinian kids? Get over it, kids die every day." "Helping people to think more dialectically" No argument from me here. "challenge their dichotomous thinking about situations" One side saying: He's Hitler. A threat to democracy. All. his supporters are garbage. "They" will make abortion illegal. "They" want a Christian Theocracy. Other side saying: "They" want to destroy this country. "They" are ripping full grown babies from the womb everyday. All their supporters are groomers. The enemy within can be dealt with by the military "if necessary"(no he wasn't referring to illegal immigrants). We need the Bible to be taught in schools(Oklahoma). I'll only be a dictator on day one(yuk yuk, wink wink) What would you honestly expect to see when the "leaders" on both sides use rhetoric like this? Fear=$,$$$,$$$,$$$….. "to bolster their ability to tolerate disappointment" I agree this ability is, in my experience, hard-won and well worth it. I see it as a sign of emotional maturity. At the same time, it does seem the poster child for not having the ability to tolerate disappointment is the President Elect; and he is a role model for ALOT of people. "I am your retribution." for your disappointment. "or any negative valenced emotion" Again I agree. (see above comment) Though some people won't tolerate negative valence emotions, they simply take it out on others and blame them(BLM, JAN 6). This not even close to being exclusive to one side, I'm sure you'd agree. "Generationally we are seeing less emotional resilience in our younger folks for a multitude of reasons" Also agreed. Having had to do it the hard way and mostly on my own, I do what I can for those around me. However, I must ask, is there a single demographic in this country who hasn't been told-and so believe-that they are victims of an unfair system? Seriously name one. lol

[@chanelv5373]

Dr. Z working with patients in hospital how could you not see people/patients are having a hard time affording healthcare food and their medication?

[@erinkiesel8281]

Thank you for this episode! I felt like maybe I was crazy that a number of my doctor friends are “crying” over the election and making sweeping conclusions about what’s going to happen the next 4 years and I’m actually not worried at all. I loved your lines, “Get free from the extremes, think for yourself”. I also agree this is completely driven by the media which is the saddest part of the whole thing. The people who are supposed to be reporting the news are telling how to think and feel. “Irrational emotions’” is an understatement! Loved the comments on the direction you hope healthcare goes. The humor is fun as well…helped me not cry all day, lol. And I’m fine with the swearing personally. Be authentic!

[@AnnaleeBelle]

From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU BOTH for the humorous and immature content mixed in with the serious stuff. I love listening to people talk about serious things, but I found myself so anxious listening to election commentary the last couple days. As soon as I saw it you guys had this video, I ended the other one I was listening to and came here. This is what the world needs! And as always, thank you for your expertise and expert opinions on healthcare. ❤

[@stephyonurse]

Trump 100% removed the mandate that penalized those of us without insurance. Sounds crazy, but without the mandate to pay that penalty for 2 adults and our 5 kids, we have been eligible for more affordable insurance ever since MAGA/MAHA 🤘🇺🇸🤘

[@megancorpuz3870]

Hi this is a genuine question since I’m not familiar with the penalties and am lucky to have healthcare through my employer. Why didn’t you have healthcare? If you’re saying now that you don’t have penalty fees you can afford healthcare then why not just get insurance and avoid the fees? What changed? Again, no judgement or snark, just a genuine question. I don’t even know how much the fees were.

[@jbailey1898]

@@megancorpuz3870, the insurance premiums for those who didn't have it through an employer were sky high. And they had terrible coverage with high deductibles. So people were forced to buy an expensive insurance plan they couldn't afford, which didn't provide adequate coverage or care. If you didn't purchase a plan, you would get nailed for $1000 plus dollars on your taxes. It was a joke.

[@CalaCala-c8u]

Sure did......my son could not afford the cheapest premium of the "affordable" health care act and got his entire tax refund check confiscated, until Trump came in and removed the mandate.

[@anasifre2479]

He didn't do that. Good try

[@CMA418]

He also increased drone strikes by 432% and then removed mandatory reporting for civilian deaths from those drone strikes. But that's civilians in other countries so who cares right? He's such a hero!!!!!!

[@kateydid11]

The lived experience of irrational Covid policies ABSOLUTELY made me reconsider and rethink everything. I fought like heck and walked a balance beam to give my kids what they needed during the insanity. It also radicalized me- I will NEVER trust the CDC on anything. I was willing to go along to be a member of a community where we all make compromises but I saw how that was abused as in this blue area it dragged on and on and on. This is literally my children’s first year of completely normal school again. (And some kids & teachers are still wearing masks off & on-so 95 percent back to normal.)

[@ritasears5501]

I appreciate this conversation so much. Being a middle person that wasn’t worried on who won. And has been an agree to disagree but still be friends. Thank you for this conversation.

[@samplrgal]

I loved that you talked about Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs on your show. I said the exact same thing to a friend the day after the election. As a retired RN, we learned about this early on in our education. People need to meet their basic needs first before they can consider the bull***t pie in the sky ideologies of the left.

[@gailbrandly432]

Yes and the pushing of woke ideologies onto everyone. Most people don’t care if people are LBGTQ. They are not racist they simply don’t care until it affects them in crazy ways. They get up in arms about having men in women’s sports, having men in women’s bathrooms and having children be allowed to change their sex biologically prior to full brain development . Do it as an adult- no problem. Tired of the minority pushing these woke ideas onto the majority and economics is why Trump won. They would rather have an A hole in office than someone with vague promises pushing “ woke” agenda. Many people have moral conflict with abortion. They have a right to their moral beliefs as much as those that believe Trump is immoral for his actions and reversing Roe vs. Wade. I can see both sides without going crazy.

[@halkowalski]

Same here! I also referenced it with friends who didn’t understand the election.

[@breeze5378]

Obama care saved my life. I can’t get insurance due to preexisting conditions. Take it away many of us will die. There is no penalty, that was done away with.

[@indranidasgupta8982]

Same. It saved my life and has continued to do so.

[@breeze5378]

@@indranidasgupta8982 continues to do so with me too.

[@lindsayelliott3232]

With you on this!

[@silentnot4812]

Do you truly have a preexisting condition or do you have a lifestyle condition? What are you doing to try to decrease your reliance on the medical system in order to free up resources for others? Our health is under our control more than we want to admit.

[@HeartfulMD]

My favorite surgeon general moment was in April 2020 when Jerome Adams showed us how to make a face covering out of an old “got naloxone?” t-shirt😂 The last thing he said on the video (on KZbin) was “It’s that easy”✋😷🤚

[@jeannienickel7]

I’m a Canadian social worker retired after COVID With mandatory DEI at 63 years old I just couldn’t continue…. Love your input especially during & after pandemic response. Freedom of Speech & thought. 💜🙏

[@jessicamalley6201]

I was relieved. Feel we have a chance for our economy, health, general sanity. Only problem is the News Media still doesn’t realize they were Unelected.

[@indranidasgupta8982]

The word sane and the word trump don’t mesh well together.

[@maribethhodapp4533]

Love you guys! You two got me through COVID!!! With laughter and education!! ❤

[@cyndi7757]

70 vaccines for kids is ridiculous

[@anasifre2479]

You still alive

[@palimdragonmaster3k]

I guess f your feelings libs doesn't apply to vaccination inclination?

[@silentnot4812]

@@anasifre2479We didn’t have 70 vaccines when I was a child. According to you, we should all be dead at our age.

[@Stark_117]

The fact that people think Obama care, with the cheapest plan being over 700 dollars for a middle income family without employee based health is affordable, is laughable to me

[@e-bethroseblood67]

Do you live in a state that refuses funding for Medicaid Expansion??? Thank Republicans.

[@monykalynf3604]

@@e-bethroseblood67 THIS. And if a middle class family doesn't have employee sponsored insurance they are likely contractors and qualify for substantial subsidy

[@27dforce]

Trump will do another great job!! Thank you

[@indranidasgupta8982]

Like he did in 2020 when 800 million Americans died bc of his stupidity and an utter lack of common sense, right?

[@Docjunge17]

Love you guys. Great show. But as a DO that hurt a little VP. Also I work with a DNP and ARNP that work a hospitalists and I think they are better than some MD or DO hospitalists I’ve worked with.

[@HayseedHick]

If you care: I’ve never noticed a difference between a DO and an MD. Maybe one can artificially parse out differences if you’re an ivory tower physician but when faced with the blood and guts of an ER…OR….or even ‘just’ a floor…or worse, a clinic…the differences are literally academic. So…rock on and kick ass you crazy DO! (I’m an old double Boarded MD…if it matters)

[@norniea]

@Docjunge17. Absolutely agree! Our son is a DO and some of the best care I've received has been with. DNP and ARNP.❤

[@richardsubiestanley]

*APRN....

[@jennifercourtney10]

I love it when you team up together. It’s been fun watching you both come to realizations from covid till now. As a woman, (I can define that as well, BTW) I was bullied hard by other women who cannot define what that is to vote for a cackling hyena so that my daughters can abort my granddaughters. Make it make sense. I’m exhausted being told all the things “I am” as a woman who voted for Trump. Not a single one of the categorizations are accurate. I work two jobs, drive a hybrid, have a degree, married to the same man 31 years (he wouldn’t dare tell me how to vote-and wouldn’t matter if he tried!) I have raised three wonderfully contributing to society, children-two of those daughters who married strong men. Neither of them ever needed a pregnancy test prior to marriage, let alone an abortion because I raised them to respect themselves and travel in groups at all times. I donate a large chunk of my time to help those less fortunate than myself and my money as well. I don’t have a racist bone in my body, nor am I deplorable. I frequently feed those at my table who have differing opinions than mine because I am a grownup! I’m one of those “Gen X Folks” the one post was complaining about. We came out in full force for Trump because we’re old enough to remember the 80’s. None of us give a darn what you do in private. Just don’t force me to participate in your delusions, give porn to my kids, allow men in my bathrooms and sports! Find the 300K missing children, get the 400K+ criminal illegal aliens out of my country, and build the freaking wall. Why is common sense so uncommon?

[@Buzz-Buzz-YT]

I'm a Dentist and just putting my 2 cents in. With fluoridation my biggest concern is for kids - especially from early childhood up to say 10-12 years old where hygiene habits pretty poor. I work at a FQHC and see mostly of patients coming from non-fluoridated communities in Central/South America and these kids can have some major dental issues. I'm not talking about "sticks" here as you guys mentioned - we're talking huge holes, resulting pain, possible infection on both their baby and adult teeth. Even the vast majority of adults I see from these communities are missing their permanent 1st molars at the very least - the difference is just night and day compared to looking at the overall population which grew up in the states. Obviously I'm not pointing to fluoridation as the silver bullet here and poverty, diet, lack of access to care all play roles. That said, I think its a wonderful population-wide intervention, especially to the poor or those without access. In a way I think the general population is ignorant of it's benefit because of it's effectiveness. The other thing touched on is "what is a cavity" - something I struggle with and I think all dentists struggle with on a daily basis. The truth is those little sticks are totally asymptomatic and so anything you say to the patient is naturally going to met with skepticism. That said, there's no doubt that some fillings in which there's early intervention can help mitigate future pain and possible need for additional, costly, not to mention difficult procedures. It doesn't take a dental degree to know if you fill a hole while its small then food/associated bacteria cant get in there to make it bigger. Where I agree with you guys is the lack of concrete evidence of when to make that intervention and of course it comes down to a someone's clinical judgement and obviously there's an incentive there to treat in order to make money. I cant speak too much regarding braces - orthodontics isn't something I do and I'm not well read on it. The concept of beauty - 100% agree. I have people come in with perfectly natural, healthy teeth looking to do all sorts of work because of a gap or a space. At that point its really a moral issue - akin to cosmetic plastic surgery in my opinion. If they want to do treatment and know the associated risks and pay the bill I'll cringe privately but do the best I can to provide that for that patient. The last thing I'll say - this post is long but this is cathartic - is the talk of radiographs. Please just look at the mSv dose on a bitewing dental radiography - we're not talking about at CT here where there's big, serious dosages - at most we're talking single-digit days of background radiation. The benefit we get from that is we can see holes - sometimes pretty large holes - between teeth I just simply cant from looking in the mouth. From a cost-benefit standpoint, I think benefits blow any downside, besides perhaps an added financial burden, out of the water. The more important question and would love to see good lit on is frequency of those radiographs - are we doing those like every 6 mo,1 year, maybe even 2-5 years for someone whose got a lower risk of cavities? Very tough call right now for the truly objective dentist and sadly its often being dictated by how often insurance will pay.

[@MK-ih6wp]

Would love to open your mind about the history of fluoridation, if you’re interested. Do you know why it was initially added to our water? Hint: Nothing to do with our dental health, that is just the cover story they invented to sell this “public service” to the ignorant masses. Afterall, do we honestly think our govt cares THAT MUCH about our health that they would spend millions of dollars adding a beneficial supplement to our water? Govt doesn’t give a hoot about our health- physical, mental, spiritual, dental- they just want our tax monies & unquestioned obedience!

[@MK-ih6wp]

Ever heard of a calcified pineal gland in children? A common symptom is when patient reports they no longer have nightly dreams. Most people won’t even think to tell this to their doctor let alone dentist . Esp a child! But you could try asking the patients in your dentist chair how often they dream? When did they stop dreaming regularly? What toothpaste do they use, how often, do they filter tap water, and what medications are they on? Would love to hear your results. (Flouride fillers are common in antibiotics, SSRIs, birth control… Flouride is everywhere.)

[@dwblanch1]

These guys are sitting in their ivory tower and trashing our profession dude. I'm with you 100%

[@MichalMudd]

I used to live in San Antonio TX, a city without fluoridation, at least when I lived there. The US Public Health Service dentists trained there because the general dental health of the city was horrific and on the level of a third world nation. My friends who were born and raised were always having issues with caries and absessed teeth.

[@MB-uy5kh]

@@MichalMudd I grew up in northern area of San Antonio and confirm I got cavities on almost everyone of my teeth from 5 to 17 years when I moved away to attend college in Michigan (Ann Arbor). I did brush my teeth twice daily with children’s toothpaste.

[@DanSolo871]

Fluoride in toothpaste? Fine. Fluoride in your water source? When you drink, how often do you swish your sip of water around your teeth? When I drink water, I’d say it mostly goes in my mouth along my tongue and down my throat hardly touching my teeth. So what good is it for your teeth?

[@Masqueesha]

I don’t drink sunscreen to protect my skin. Fluoride in water never made sense to me.

[@elliebellie111]

Correct. At least in toothpaste you can make the choice.

[@thequantaleaper]

Studies proved efficacy, so your theory is unfounded.

[@Explorer766]

@@thequantaleaperyou're probably trolling but most studies end up on the junkpile.

[@MichalMudd]

Fluoride deposits via stomach to bloodstream to teeth, not topical.

[@HayseedHick]

If anyone cares….I’ve never noticed a difference between an MD and a DO. (I’m a double Boarded MD)

[@rustybarrel516]

Nobody has a “right” to someone else’s labor or services. They do have a right to seek services like healthcare, and we might want to have policies to make getting and paying for healthcare easier, but it’s not a “right.”

[@simonmonis5749]

The fact that Trump's 2016-2020 mandate was relatively innocuous all things considered doesnt necessarily mean this one will be. Especially given how much we know about the people around him that acted as gaurdrails that he has effectively replaced with loyalists this time around. It's possible to be a serious person who is deeply concerned about American Democracy in this moment. Its okay to wake up feeling a bit scared and pessimistic about this, this doesnt deserve ridicule becsuse you may not feel it. I've listened to a lot of center right and right people that are also deeply frightened. It isn't even especislly partisan. I take your point about trying to avoid being hysterical, but the anxiety is perfectly understandable.

[@HayseedHick]

I hear you exactly. Besides being very anti-woke I am more concerned about the federal bureaucracy and its need to grow. If Trump did not win, this deep state would have free rein to codify measures to muzzle detractors (weaponized justice system…as we’ve seen). We’ve already seen censorship and the ‘control of the narrative’ by proxy media outlets. Trump goes off script and may slow the progression of government control. The main reason I voted for Trump is that it will be easier to get rid of him than the liberal elites. Federal bureaucracy….’deep state’… an egregore.

[@digicog]

I agree with this completely and it's how I am feeling too. International affairs alone is a reason to be scared. The man is not a moral person and seems to have some kind of dementia. I think being concerned is a perfectly valid response.

[@spartakos3178]

Anyone "frightened" by Trump is a DNC shill, not a conservative.

[@Kg-yl5vy]

Past behavior is a strong predictor of future behavior. We cannot help those that insist on living in a negative loop. Good luck with doomsday imagining as this will only lead to depression. Can't see the forest for the tree. If it's so terrible, cheer yourself up by planning a move out of country and returning in 4yrs or spend all your time protesting.

[@spartakos3178]

@@digicog Trump did not start any wars...

[@MelanieRicheson]

Y’all woke me up in 2020 when I was trying to make sense of the world. I’ve never been the same ever since… in a good way ☺️

[@g7wilson]

Yes to live, great show! I appreciate your unfiltered dialog, especially from the Bay Area bubble. Keep 'talking shit,' it feels honest, and you guys have the chemistry to make it entertaining. Vinay should be part of the incoming administration. We need his youth, his energy, to influence and learn, to carry the coming successes into the future.

[@nicolenegus6156]

Oh my gosh I love you guys so much. Thank you for being the voice of so many of us that are stuck in the middle of both extreme sides of crazy!

[@chocolatecity2]

Can you explain how Trump's going help poor people?

[@mariegrieco39]

He will do nothing to help them.

[@chocolatecity2]

​@@mariegrieco39wait till they wake up and say "I didn't vote for that 🥺) but oh yeah yes you did. Good thing 4 years goes by fast, but stacking the SCOTUS with right wing conservatives - ppl gonna have to live with that for 40 years. Major cabinet positions for MTG and also RFK 😅 who is the biggest personality behind health conspiracies? Good luck with that. He's supposedly going to dismantle healthcare good luck with that esp ppl who have pre existing conditions How are people on Medicaid supposed to meet the work requirement if they're completely disabled? How exactly are jobs supposed to be brought back we don't have the work force to produce what China does. Wait till a head of lettuce costs $10 bcs now farm labor has to be paid real American wages. These two bros won't be affected by any of that.

[@hairgeek]

I did cry, but now I’m pissed. But that’s not because there is something off with me that requires therapy. As a woman, in Florida this week, we lost the rights to our bodies, and thats is very real feeling of despair and a feeling of “less then”

[@philipedwards241]

You had Dick Cheney on your side, how on earth did you lose???

[@hairgeek]

@@philipedwards241 Most of FL is red up and down, my county (Palm Beach, yep Trumps’s county) is a small blue lake in the ocean of red…. FL always disappoints…

[@judybesse4058]

I think women are really upset losing our rights to our body but I don't think most men give a shit....

[@chanelv5373]

You didn’t lose your right in Florida.

[@8aNda1d]

🙄

[@ElishevaLe]

How refreshing. And yes. Each individual vaccine should be scrutinized. Ideally for whether it actually prevents transmission, not just produces antibodies. And whether health is actually improved for having the vaccine. (Not just the absence/reduction of a specific virus/bacteria) Basically more science like what Aaby does. (I was very vax skeptical as a new mum, and I ended up going with the MMR based on his studies in Africa).

[@deidredonovan3864]

"and where are her dental x rays" you guys i laughed like 14 times out loud during this. My favorite election recap!!!!

[@WellnessHacker]

ZDOGG - you two are saying teens are impressionable. Um, you were impressionable. You were late to the party on many things Covid and honestly you still have a long way to go on understanding it all. You were all in on vaccines and mask wearing for a VERY long time.

[@nemmac5687]

I also think VP will be awesome in JRE. Love you guys

[@halkowalski]

That IS what RFK is saying, he wants subsidies to go toward regenerative agriculture which is real whole nutrient dense food that actually regenerates the soil rather than fully depleting it with pesticides.

[@celestes1630]

Really enjoy the show. I always appreciate your information on medical issues.

[@lindamurphy3969]

Can we get drug advertisements off media? I am now seeing drug commercials for dogs! Leave prescription drug decisions to qualified medical doctors. I totally agree on RFK being useful, but not go so far to eliminate the childhood vaccines that have been historically safe and effective.

[@tashiacalhoun]

Yes! Vinay, you would be a great addition to the RFK Jr team! You guys should interview Abigail Shrier.

[@tallleprechaun1318]

As a current pre-med student, feels weird seeing people wearing cloth masks. Also, half of them wear it wrong (below nose)

[@sara35ish]

Thank you for this video. I think a lot of people need your calm wisdom

[@indranidasgupta8982]

Bullshit on the “calm wisdom.”

[@cheraz713]

BUMMED that I missed this live! You two yutes have great chemistry. Thanks for the talk,

[@mela2291]

Love love love listening to this! I listen while doing late late night charting and it’s so entertaining and interesting it keeps me awake while doing med refills and lab reviews.

[@amstarshot101]

You guys together is always the best. I like hearing you bouncing back ideas about medicine and being yourselves. Much better then when you do your individual shows.

[@kristynlawson383]

Fluoride causes discoloration in children's teeth as they develop. I am so happy to see it leaving our water system for many reasons! Thank goodness for RFK Jr.

[@lungrunner]

Vinay, as a pulmonologist in CA and a Trump voter I listen to you for years and this episode you sound fully onboard with all the reasons Trump won. Which I agree. So, please explain why you would have voted for Kamala? For someone who I respect so highly your voting records baffles me. Especially since you so vehemently were against the Covid regime demands.

[@deidredonovan3864]

did he vote for Kamala? I never heard him say who he voted for

[@lungrunner]

I didn’t hear him say he opted for Trump but over the years he has attested to lean towards Bernie Sanders and socialism. I’d love to see him tagged for a policy job at the CDC and or FDA. He’d really be ideal.

[@richardsubiestanley]

It's insane how your opinion of someone can be demolished based on who they voted for? "Smart" 🤮🙄

[@deidredonovan3864]

​@@richardsubiestanleytotally agree. this is our whole country now though!

[@richardsubiestanley]

@@deidredonovan3864 heavens... Back to the dark ages huh? 😭

[@deidredonovan3864]

I want to refuse X-rays at the dentist but they wont see my kids unless I let them have the x rays!

[@dwblanch1]

that should be a clue to people as to how badly we actually need them in order to take care of you and your kids correctly

[@drrachelblackie2976]

Love you guys! Awsum to hear you yarning again. Thanks for the Ranty Uber speedy merican speaks. From NZ New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@eib275]

I hope VP does a deep dive on the midlevel research I really think this is one of the most critically important topics no one talks about. I was a former RN who went to DO school and I have seen a lot of damage done already. The research is so crappy I don’t know how this has happened.

[@redsr9990]

The talk about funding in research is so true. It was a depressing day when I learned about how they decide what to find. On cavities, I had a dentist once find a couple of small cavities and gave me the option to see if it would just heal on its own. It did. Shame I moved, because never found another dentist that thinks like that.

[@leilacavender4066]

You two crushed it again! Dynamic duo strikes again!

[@aptosvideochannel3521]

“And where are her dental X-rays?” 😂😂😂😂 I can’t stop laughing Invite ME to your dinner party Dr P I’d totally come I’ll bring really fine wine and witty banter

[@HayseedHick]

Don’t invite me either. I’m like Z. Besides I have a lot of laundry to do…and I’ll have to meditate about it too.

[@marioct130]

His speech is taken out of context? Have you watched and listened?

[@juliebenton8978]

Can we address pediatrician offices “firing” families who choose not to follow all the childhood vaccine recommendations? I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but I’ve always thought it’s medically unethical to preemptively refuse to treat a child for any malady because she might get whooping cough one day. You would seriously rather have NO input on the health and wellbeing of this child as she grows up while her parents are likely driven into more and more questionable woowoo corners of medical advice?

[@HayseedHick]

Yep…the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) is a not to be taken seriously. It cares nothing for science and will parrot anything that the liberal overlords declare. This was made clear to me in Marty Makery’s book: Blind Spots. (This book pulls the curtain back on the despicable world of medical finance, publishing and re$earch. As a physician…it makes me want to puke). If you’re unfamiliar with him, he has been on a ‘show’ with these two guys before. He is kind of the older sensible broth in contrast to these two goofy younger brothers…it’s pretty cool.

[@lindaray4693]

@@juliebenton8978 it isnt about your child. It is about passing a disease to another child who may die. It your child was getting chemo you would want the office to be safe. Killing another child with measles exposed in the pediatric office to measles is how these policies evolved. In children there is strong evidence for vaccination. Otherwise you could have four waiting areas, well vaccinate, well unvaccinated, sick vaccinated , sick unvaccinated. Your right to decide not to vaccinate, but the vulnerable rights supercede. Totally fine to go somewhere else for care.

[@terryward8565]

You guys are so entertaining but educational too. I followed you through Covid . Good to see you again.

[@CraigHocker]

47:30 women have been dying, this is such a very bad take.

[@parmawen8284]

Infant mortality rate have also gone up.

[@elizabethmeister111]

Dramatic much? Women have been dying?? There is NO abortion law that let’s a woman die - give me a break

[@DesertPrimrose]

Because people decided a serial rapist who doesn't believe in the rule of law was better than the candidate who isn't those things.

[@spartakos3178]

People decided they did not like kangaroo courts and lawfare. Or grooming children into perverse ideologies.

[@speters5373]

Exactly and she did 0

[@gordonwho]

@@spartakos3178Trump was afforded due process and equal protection like any other US citizen. He is not above the law! He did the crime and unfortunately he will not pay for the crime.

[@Fraumannal]

I had unsubbbed z Dogg during covid as I thought his opinions were bit unhinged- here he says one sentence that is partially redeeming- therapists validate everything as having truth value- paraphrasing- but golden!!

[@spnylluvr]

My friend was crying because she was going to retire next year and feels the marketplace will be either non existent or overly expensive so therefore, she feels she won't be able to. I'm retiring early myself in 3 or 4 years and am not sure I'll be able to 😢

[@MrAlan1906]

Thank goodness Trump got re-elected! Overall prices for everyday expenses should go down. Yes, you can relocate to another country for retirement, but big changes are coming in the health sector, energy sector and the federal debt and size of government and its related costs. It’s going to be okay.

[@carlymclane8270]

"...space heater to space heater.." Hahaha! I just drag my oil heater through the house as I navigate the stages of the day when I am home! What can I do about a cold nose though? Hehehe. Thanks for the laughs sprinkled in with the serious talk. Welp, full confession...I cried and I am not ashamed to say so or that I did so. That said, I cried less so in response to how the elections ended up and more in response to the behavior of humans on all sides (ALL). I just broke. It felt great to cry though. Cathartic. Then pulled up my big girl panties and readied myself to be as kind and patient in the world as I can be while recognizing how many beautiful and amazing humans I know first hand who voted and didn't vote in a variety of ways that may not be in alignment with how I voted. I'm still not happy with some of the behavior I am witnessing out there in the world but I'm going to keep loving what's lovable about humanity and learning from what is challenging.

[@MichelleK765]

I love watching the two of you.

[@gnormhurst]

VP: "Convince people that your view of the world is correct." The problem is that many believe the post-modern nonsense that there is no correct view, that there is only "my truth" and "your truth" and if I don't like you saying "your truth" I will shut you down. There is no possibility of dialog about what is true when we can't even agree that there is a truth that is true for all.

[@HayseedHick]

Well said. I’m a fan of VP and I think he defines objective scientific truth very well. He is an expert in evaluating scientific studies. He also has evaluated the ‘potential’ of the RFK Jr. impact on health politics. Im now convinced that RFK Jr is not a total crackpot and indeed may have some good ideas: nutritional school lunches, getting rid of TV pharmaceutical ads,… I highly recommend watching VP’s latest KZbin video. He outlines 10 good things that …might happen.

[@tedgross9958]

What's the over-under on how long your boy lasts in the administration? "Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK Jr after new vaccine safety comments"

[@CindyWalsh-h5w]

Not cool Doctors!! You sound pretty entitled. Nurse Cindy. My son is a cancer survivor.

[@marioct130]

These Mdudes will never rely on social security or medicare.

[@pampeters8404]

Love this! I was in tears (happy tears of laughter, not TDS tears!!)

[@robinnovak7457]

I am trying not to spend so much time watching the internet, but you two make it very difficult. So funny. I just want to hang out with you guys :)

[@g.f7703]

You are both wonderful! Thanks for the great conversation.

[@marieisabelle4890]

I listen to Vinay often as his videos are informative and I enjoy his critical thinking, but I admit that I stopped listening after less than 5 minutes so my comment is to be taken in that context. I stopped listening because of Dr Zs apparent lament about the election results. I am so fed up with identity politics; if you are sorry or happy about a candidate winning, it should be solely because of their policies. It should have ZERO to do with their skin color, gender, sexual orientation or anything else.

[@lindaray4693]

Maybe it could be based on character, you think.?

[@margotbw4660]

You should have kept listening

[@MichalMudd]

I'm listening to this and I'm not hearing any concerns about healthcare, or especially, women's reproductive healthcare - this after women have started dying. I work in medical research and a postdoc in our research group just hosted a family from TX where the mom was late term and her fetus was dying, but TX doctors would do nothing. They had to fly to a state nextdoor, with their child. They had to bury their fetus in a cemetary here thousands of miles away. But at least mom, avoided health issues & did not get screwed by sepsis. oh finallllly, two guys reach the subject at last!! Huh? "People are trying to get em in?" You honestly think he won't go further? Not appoint someone who will pursue this? Outlaw contraception?? You seem very offhand about this. PS- i'm not a Dem.

[@indranidasgupta8982]

False advertising is what it was. They got me to listen with that bullshit false headline about healthcare in 2025. This is plain shock & awe podcasting. They’re not concerned about anyone or anything beyond their own interests. Do they honestly sound like they care if women die! One of them right up top spoke about his MINORITY wife and two daughters as if they were NOT IMPORTANT TO HIM AT ALL! You’re better off listening to an actual podcast instead of these two assholes. My BP shot up listening to them. THIS is the toxic narrative that resulted in Trump winning.

[@robinstanley6008]

Practicing yoga since I retired 18 years ago. Good for you two!

[@denise6145]

Kelly-Anne Conway, Sara Huckabee-Sanders, Kaleigh McEnany, Ivanka Trump, Lara Trump. Trump giving women huge positions (that they are qualified and prepared to excel at) isn’t a one-time thing.

[@DonabelleDHalopoff]

Add Susie Wiles! First woman chief of staff! First hire for the second term!

[@denise6145]

@@DonabelleDHalopoff That is what they were talking about- saying it was a one-time thing.

[@MrAlan1906]

Add Alina Habba, Tulsi Gabbard and Nicole Shanahan. I’m sure there’s a lot more.

[@Kart_76374]

You don’t have to be so open minded that your brain falls out. My mom with pancreatic cancer was saved by Obamacare. So there’s that.

[@christishea4020]

You guys are having too much fun🎉😂 how refreshing!

[@DrTomMD]

Great convo👍🏽 At 58:45 …measured against the US dietary guidelines America fails (we get a score of around 60 out of 100 according to the healthy eating index) . It’s not the guidelines that are the problem. It’s that they describe an alternate universe. Ie to your points about subsidies - we have 220,000,000 acres of arable land in the USA dedicated to commodity crops, which largely go to fatten up livestock, high fructose corn syrup, mass loads of CRRAHP (calorie rich, refined highly processed) food concoction production, some ethanol fuel and maybe a bit trickles into corn on the cob and intact whole grains and edamame …but practically speaking, virtually nada. Contrast that with only 4,000,000 acres dedicated to specialty crops, where fruits and vegetables are be found, and we need at least triple that just to get around 2 cups of fruits and vegetables every American. USDA/Farm Bill is talking out of two sides of its mouth while the reality is if everybody tried to eat the US food guidelines prices for fruits and vegetables would skyrocket. We simply don’t have the supply, but that’s OK because it’s now currently matching our low demand. We need to work on the educational and policy front to slowly enhance demand in parallel with production and logistics front of availability of fruits, veggies etc in a slow, meticulous manner like a complicated cancer surgery. If we try to rush it would be like claiming we could remove a tumor faster with a hacksaw. Tumor is out, but patient hemorrhages and dies.

[@shakes-nw1fe]

We as a country need to have a long hard talk about health and I have hope RFK will direct it in the right direction. Why are we allowing chemicals in our food that is harmful and banned in most other countries. Why are we still spraying crops with literal poison? and along those lines why are places like mine(Iowa) that are mainly agricultural experiencing massively higher levels of cancer compared to average? Why are the people who decide if our food is safe allowed to take money from the people that make the cure if the food is making people sick. I understand medications are 1000% needed for some illness but why is medicine always the first choice? An example for you about natural medicine that worked for me. I have depression that is often made worse in winter time. A simple supplement you can grow in a garden and special light bulb made me feel 100 times better than SSRI’s which my doctor prescribed in 5 mins of talking to me . ST John’s wort with about 30-60 mins in front of a full spectrum light in winter months completely cured my depression without taking some chemical compound that alters brain chemistry that we don’t even totally understand Pharmaceutical companies don’t want to cure you they don’t make money that way they want you on a subscription plan 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dianasandstrom5562]

I agree with you.

[@debraversnick6651]

Loved the podcast! You guys are FUNNY 😂

[@amyyauk114]

The irrationality of some people is just exhausting. Agree with the need for so many changes in healthcare. It’s mentally healing to listen to you 😂

[@skohaya]

I ❤ that you 2 are sitting next to each other w one camera. So when one cracks a joke, we can see the reaction of the other in real time. If I just were watching this cold and then I was told, they are both MDs, I would say. "😂You're kidding me. They are too funny." MDs learn higherarchy behavior from Med school through residency/fellowship. You are 2 brilliant Indian brothers that connect. Wish you could do a video on what it was like growing up with an Indian mother and culture. Then another to show how a Chinese culture is similar vs different. Blessings!

[@altawalker29]

I’m loving this. Thx for the laughter and swearing! Would love to hear more about fluoride: does it also mess w your bones? All the carnivore folks say there are high levels in tea.

[@Whirrledpeas]

I worked for a large water utility in No Cal. They do not fluoridate. “Too busy trying to remove bad chemicals, not interested in adding a questionable chemical.”