Valerion VisionMaster Pro 2 Review | More than a Lifestyle Projector

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[@jordirapper]

Uuuuuuuugh I want mine! I am getting so impatient. I have literally watched every video on KZbin.

[@agustinperez9849]

Thanks for the review, do you think you could use your classic ceiling mount using the central thread (1/4) and also the 2 rear legs being threaded, that is, 3 anchor points instead of just 1 central one?

[@KimmoJaskari]

AT screens do have that perforation in order to let audio through, so it's not uncommon that triple lasers interact with those and give some weird artifacts like moire. I also don't really think they had AT screen in mind when they made this unit, necessarily.

[@joentell]

Yeah, I get it. I just wanted to give a heads up to anyone thinking of using it with an AT screen.

[@EveryDayJay415]

I like your Brady Bunch style split screen, that’s a good way of showing the calibration differences. Looks like a nice little unit and this is only V1. These lifestyle projectors are are almost like soundbars vs traditional set ups, tech is catching up

[@KimmoJaskari]

Soundbars are still inferior (quite a lot inferior) to a real Atmos surround setup. This projector seems a bit noteworthy since it can actually trade blows with dedicated HT projectors, true.

[@adeolabarika]

Great review, Joe. Thank you! You mentioned you also have the AWOL, I know it's a different tech but how does it compare vs AWOL + ALR screen for black level, picture quality etc? I currently have the AWOL and I'm wondering if I should jump on the Kickstarter or not.

[@joentell]

The AWOL LTV-3500 Pro is very bright and it's amazing how well it works with the lights on with a CLR screen. The black levels are pretty good but EBL on the Valerion Pro 2 seems to work better for some reason. It also has dynamic tone mapping unlike the AWOL. It comes down to whether you want to watch it with the lights on or if it's for a dedicated dark room.

[@adeolabarika]

@@joentell thanks for the response! My room is a mixed-use spare room and we watch in both daylight and at night although I have some light control

[@joentell]

@@adeolabarika You can't beat a UST and CLR or ALR screen combo for a mixed-use environment

[@tbob2224]

Great review! Very concise, I like how you show as much data as you can with the tools you have. About the moiré pattern - did this only happen on AT screens? Have you tried other Elite screens like the Cinewhite UHD-B? I'm guessing it was laser speckle showing on the Cinegrey? Usually these 4x shifters don't show much of the pixel structure so that surprises me, it would be great to see an ISF 4k pattern and something like 4k quick brown fox patterns close up to compare with other projectors.

[@joentell]

The Cinegrey was most likely speckle. The pixel structure isn't typically that noticeable until you're up close. I think the sharpness makes it more obvious which is likely why I was seeing moire.

[@tbob2224]

@@joentell I noticed you said it wasn't visible on paper. Is that because it was slightly out of focus or related to the AT screen? What gain is that AT screen you're using?

[@joentell]

@@tbob2224 the screen is 1.0. I used it on a thin paper also. I used a large poster board in the video to make it more obvious.

[@tbob2224]

@@joentell Just to be clear the moiré pattern did not show up on the paper even after it was focused? Maybe it is the lasers interacting somehow with the pattern of the AT screen?

[@vvmanchady]

Great review

[@gnevos]

How does the pro 2 handle subtitles with EBL on? Does it throw off the algorithm?

[@joentell]

Great question. I haven't tried it. I did notice that having a small menu option on the bottom didn't enable to turn on, so it's possible that subtitles might affect it also. On the Zidoo and Dune HD player, there are options to change how the subtitles show up, so it may be possible to use a grey text instead of white.

[@davek6393]

I appreciate that your reviews are quick and to the point, but I was hoping for a more direct comparison to your BenQ, especially around contrast. Maybe "20% better than the typical DLP" and that the Valerion has replaced your BenQ is all that needs to be said. Doesn't matter I guess because I ordered the Max after watching TheHookup review. Will see for myself how it compares against my venerable HT 2050. Just have to wait until May unfortunately. Your comments about moiré make me happy that I have a super smooth spandex screen.

[@joentell]

The HT2050 was the first projector I ever purchased and I was extremely happy with it. It was a light cannon. These new laser projectors are really a step up in all aspects as you would expect from the price difference. I think you're in for a treat when you get your Max. You can see a pretty significant difference in my side by side comparison. It looks like that to my eyes also. A lot has to do with the dynamic tone mapping with HDR content. For SDR, the difference is less noticeable.

[@tailee3028]

Can you comment on the performance with different screen types? Laser speckle and black levels and contrast with low/high gain or ALR screens?

[@joentell]

I tried it with an Elite Screens Cinegrey ALR screen and it didn't look good. It was very "shimmery". The others I mentioned in my video.

[@Ian_Woods]

Great review, Ive never been interested in numbers just what does the films look like on it 🤣. One question I have, as you ceiling mounted yours, you should be able to answer. Valerion in many replies have variously said the mounting screw thread is M6 yet in others have said it a standard tripod 1/4" thread, then another said they are the same. They are not the same (for instance 1/4" is slighly thicker than M6 at 6.35mm). Can you confirm what it actually is. Thanks

[@joentell]

The numbers are important though because it helps to determine how films look on it. If they weren't then the difference between an M6 and 1/4" wouldn't matter, right? 😉 I just tried it with an M6 and 1/4"-20 thread. The 1/4"-20 went in nice and smooth and the M6 did not.

[@Ian_Woods]

@@joentell Thank you, yes if its 1/4" then the M6 will not fit well as not only is it less diameter its pitch is different as well. Well I think there is a difference between the physical dimensions of a screw thread and the difference between nits, black floor, lumens, contrast etc, as i dont think you can say if one is higher "better" than another that the film will definately look better as that is very subjective to the person, but I can be certain if the size of a screw thread is different then it either will go in or not there is no subjectivity to it. 🤣

[@WINDMEPY]

How is the cooling performance of that machine? Is it effective at preventing overheating? I heard that many dead pixel issues caused by the 0.47 DMD chip are due to inadequate cooling in the machine.

[@joentell]

I can't really tell because I haven't had any issues. From my experience, a fan ramping up constantly is a sign of a poor cooling design, but this stays at a low fan speed nearly all the time.

[@123carguy123]

I thought the Pro 2 was Elegant Gray. Yours is greenish which looks like a Plus 2

[@joentell]

I think that just might be my lighting. It looks grey to my eyes. I was blasting it with a very bright video light.

[@gufiaito69able]

Did you see any rainbow efect?

[@joentell]

I'm not sensitive to that, so I haven't really seen it on any projector. My camera can catch it though.

[@Music.Movies.67]

DLP projectors give Rainbow Effects so be no good for my needs Plus projectors are not able to do HDR properly

[@MrPunkd113]

Incomplete review. How was the 3D, particularly compared to the BenQ and AWOL.

[@joentell]

Yeah, you're right. Others have covered those things though. I personally don't use 3D.