Valkyrie Rework in a Nutshell [For Honor]

[@envoyofrot7046]

0:52 Ok that Javelin throw into execution transition was super smooth 🔥

[@svenvdv2880]

I like the back dodge into all guard more tbh. I always found it super cool how she could dodge back really far and then bash them on the ground. Then they made it a smaller jump and it doesnt throw ur enemy on the ground and now you dont even jump backwards anymore. This doesnt only mean that gb can easily counter it now but you also cant dodge bashes anymore and instantly bashing back as a counter.

[@masochistichodgepodge160]

I think it would be a good idea if they still added the new guard mode But kept The old one, With the bashing on the ground and all the other details So you have room to play play around and mix things up It would definitely be nice variety

[@Zeth1996]

As a Valk main I got almost exactly what I've been asking for, for so long except the undodgeable heavy finisher. I have always said she deserved a better full guard. They definitely should nerf her guaranteed light but otherwise she's great and I'm happy.

[@svenvdv2880]

They should just bring back the old full guard that was so cool

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

I'm not happy they removed the bash and now its dependant on a full guard. They gave everybody, including orochi, a bash and now nerf it for valk?

[@tristanward9937]

Why would you remove the light after bash?

[@Zeth1996]

@@tristanward9937 They should tune the damage down to 15, 20 seems a bit high imo.

[@Ostrid1]

@@svenvdv2880 the old full guard and the charged headbutt after gb were so cool and unique. She's turning into a viking conqueror now

[@MysteriousGir]

I just feel she needs those undodgeables they claimed they wanted to make Valk’s heavies usable but refuse to give it the strength it needs.

[@iliketea4443]

Yes undodgeable heavies would be unironically balanced and bring her back to former teamfighting glory

[@envoyofrot7046]

Yeah, would love to catch these dodge attack spammers

[@iliketea4443]

@@envoyofrot7046 bring them pain, break their bones 💀. Death to the orochi/shino mains

[@marcellovagnarelli7446]

No

[@KFCBucketful]

I like the idea of soft feinting to all guard stance, the problem I find with it is that if you just try to go for a straight up bash it does a janky little motion where you go into all guard for 600 ms and then bashes. It should be changed so that if you just press the GB button you go into the bash straight away and if you hold the GB button you go into all guard, it should work similary to how Highlander goes into OS. You should also be able to feint the sweep so that it becomes an actual mixup/pressure tool as opposed to just an alternative combo ender.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

Nope, just make it that she can softfeint her heavies into bash without fullblock and make it that she softfeints to full block with the normal allguard input. Your idea sounds good too, i would like to see one of our ideas being implemented.

[@envoyofrot7046]

Yeah I was thinking the same. Tap = old shield bash Hold = new shield tackle

[@Wupazz]

As a valk main, she doesn't need a sweep feint mix up potential on her sweep. The mix up potential in itself is whether or not you throw a sweep, attack or GB when your opponent expects you to trip since its now very difficult to dodge on reaction. It would make her way too strong, and I detest the whole idea of making weak character super OP = balance. That being said, I agree the soft feint is jank, although I do like how it resembles the feel of conq's heavy soft feint into full guard, but with the potential to also trip, or get a spicy wallsplat at the end of the chain, so I think your idea is spot on.

[@darkmemelord2917]

@@MeisterSchwabbo exactly that but I would like to be able all guard after a forward or a backwards dodge

[@ppeez]

A feintable 500ms bash? Are you dumb?

[@KingDemoKnight]

When i heard valk and loud man were gettin reworks, i was afraid of another OP rework but goddamn they did a great job on valk. tiandi feels like orochi though.

[@wizzayylmao6864]

loud man 😭😭💀

[@tristanward9937]

She sucks, her bash was better before this full guard shit and her lights are now slower and weaker. So nerf = good job?

[@Rainbowboy-sv5fw]

Honestly, it's not hitting the spot for me. Maybe its the jank? It feels awkward to get into her full-block stance now. Perhaps Ubisoft could take thi opportunity to pad her kit a bit more, because I feel that the sweep mix-up is the only thing going for her. Oh, and her enhanced dodge lights. Keep those.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

Not every hero needs 20 50/50s. The rework might not make her S tier but it will definetly buff her as long as the heroes are good at ganking and in teamfights the boring compgames will use her(probably not always tho)

[@Rainbowboy-sv5fw]

@@MeisterSchwabbo True. Ultimately, I'm just happy she's getting some love.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

@@Rainbowboy-sv5fw me too. But i truly hope they keep THIS rework, tweak the damage, give her the heavy into bash softfeint again and maybe make her allguard softfeint a normal allguard input BUT keep the dodge forward or back dodge fullblock if valk wants to access the allguard from neutral.

[@Rainbowboy-sv5fw]

@@MeisterSchwabbo Maybe that's what it is, maybe I'm just being salty they took her back dodge full block away, lol. I'm just not into everyone being aggressive, and she feels less like a swiss army knife and more like a battering ram. I probably missed the point of her early kit.

[@condifennex3996]

Valk is in a much better spot now. I play TG dom just to play her for fun

[@moroblizniak4457]

2:58 Well shaman can also bash after throw so i think it might stay.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

I wouldn't mind, it just gives her better ledging capabilities and it is kinda a trade, you can ledge better and be better in teamfights BUT you loose a good amount of stam for that.

[@walterkrueger5947]

I like Valk the way she is, you can keep a combo going with her shield bash without the pause. Losing that will make her feel clunky.

[@zdfraser9907]

Too many unblockables have become so sped up that they're also undodgeable unless you predict the attack and dodge before seeing it.

[@axetheviking6482]

Valkyrie was the first hero I really liked. Good to see our favorite shield maiden get some updates.

[@itsmaxey4597]

Back when I played this game I mained valk and honestly if this goes live I might get back into it ty for the showcase

[@chrise76776]

3:18 Don’t give them ideas Marco… I can here them talking about the Nuxia rework in the warriors den now. “We felt outside of her traps her offenses was lacking so if you see here… Nuxia now has unblockable properties on her dodge forward and side lights”

[@Tf_is_revenge]

They would still be bad even if they were Unblockable

[@mrmoxima2268]

YES! MY MAIN ISN’T JUST A LIGHT SPAMMER ANYMORE! SHE’S, dare I say…. VIABLE!!

[@masterjames1935]

3:45 I didn't give you consent to suck my stamina!!!! XD

[@rickplayzyt6277]

"You're sucking my stamina!" I'd let valk do a lot more to me than just suck my "stamina"

[@Burgundychannel]

So this is more or less o.g Valk, but with the sweep from her first rework. Hell yeah!

[@llllTatollll]

I forgot how good of a song Retro Funky is

[@Ironwill902]

So everyone else gets a rework but Warden doesn't?!?!......Life really sucks sometimes.☹️

[@FrogTonic]

Been a while since I played. Nice to see them reworking characters and trying to mix things up a bit. How’s the player count doing if anyone knows. Is it going up?

[@strikeforce1500]

Glad Valk got a rework, tho, I do admit I will miss her og full block (except the stupid technical aspects of it). And thank god they fix the whole from left GB. The sweep from GB throw was always there, but I doubt it was sped up like in TG.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

The sweep after gb was always there yes but it never was guaranteed except of a wallsplat or corner.

[@Filet_Mignon22]

Ngl I actually hates this rework I just wanted a 50/50 sweep or undodgable heavy finisher I liked the back step all guard mix up with a forward GB

[@SpaceAnomaly09]

I just wish they kept her old light animation for after a shield bash, now it just looks janky and really oddly placed

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

Yep or give her a torso slash animation from the right guard.

[@kingLorshi]

Or even use the shoulder pin animation? But yeah it looks wrird

[@percyj.5091]

That stamina gain in all-guard might be a glitch because for a little amount of time, there is a blocking animation playing after the block so maybe (???) it can be considered as "the character is not all-guarding, they're in the middle of a blocking animation so they still can regen some stamina" by how the script calculates whether the character is allowed to regen stamina or not (again, I'm not so sure of this bit)

[@FaultyWires]

i miss the back dodge full guard, bring it back ;-; also the top lights didnt need a nerf, now they are objectively worse than the side lights. other than those things, valk is great.

[@samshimenosky1938]

as someone who started playing valk after exclusively manning conq for 17 reps, being able to feint heavies into all guard is gonna make her so much easier to play

[@Wildcat_Legend]

I want the “Tiandi rework in a nutshell” please and thank you

[@eggmanivorobotnik3312]

Lawbringer mains when a valk does light light sweep only to get longarmed off a cliff: 👁️👃👁️

[@peytongibbs2171]

As far as I'm aware, blocking an attack with the allguard guarantees a GB for extra damage and executions, but slower speed and no chain finisher afterward.

[@jamesmercur]

Wouldn't call this a rework but this is definitely a welcomed change

[@freedeathsticks4508]

I agree. There's nothing new added here: it's simply a reshuffling of her kit and adjusting what she already has. It's still a good set of changes and they make her a lot better

[@bigruster2253]

@@freedeathsticks4508 thats like... what a rework is

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

@@bigruster2253 no, back in the days when names, classes and descriptions actually mattered a rework was a full on change to the hero it sped up attacks, gave heroes new moves and properties, changed animations and overall buffed moves and they gave way more mix up potential to support different playstyles to the heroes. They even called zerks buffs a rework even tho all he got was a faster top light and enhanced light dodgeattacks. The reworks we get right now only support mostly 1 playstyle, make things faster, add "new" moves like a bash, or a bash or of course a feintable bash and some QoL changes, shinobi was a full on rework, orochi was also a real rework same goes for shaolin, nobushi and PK...

[@envoyofrot7046]

It it more of a small buff than a rework to me but as a Valkyrie main I take whatever I can get my hands on. I just wish it was in live already Oh yeah also make her heavy finisher undodable and her dodge lights into dodge heavies because they are sooooo bad.

[@jiseishin]

Big small buff

[@mage_of_pollution]

The thing about the heavies is that they aren't a true mixup, especially when considering that Spear Sweep is still underwhelming. It's almost like Sheild Crush is the new universal option, which I kinda really don't like. If it stayed the way it was before (with maybe one or two more options out of it) and her current offensive kit was improved (with a focus on the sweep mixup and some link to defense), then she would be fun and complex. In her current iteration it's just all Shield Tackle, there's almost no reason to go for the heavy because of stam consumption on feint.

[@alecerickson6677]

What’s that song you played in the beginning? Great video btw, always nice to see an upload :>

[@mr.goochthethird1222]

as a valk main since, i think its been 2 years now, The new stuffd is a great change of feel, And seems well balanced, Though i will REALLY miss the top light confirm after the shoulder pin, But the pros outweigh the cons 100%

[@iliketea4443]

No undodgeable heavies tho and no news about the god riposte

[@GothicSoldier9000]

Undodgeable heavy side finishers and chargeable shield tackle for knockdown. Maybe also soft feint heavies and zone into guardbreak? Other than that, this looks pretty good.

[@jacobconn8889]

this would explain why i cant back dodge shield tackle no more

[@kevincandelario2573]

She looks perfect. She feel like the skilled beef cake of a shield maiden she is

[@vallgron]

I've been a valk main since the open beta I stuck with her when she was the worst character in the game and while I haven't played in a very long I'm definitely going to jump back in now

[@ShinobiM116]

Ngl I feel this rework makes Valkyrie feel much clunkier than she was before. The all guard soft feint is interesting but really forces her to pause her offense as part of her offensive flow which is much more awkward than her previous offensive pressure (as easy to counter as it was). A smaller gripe that might just be unique to me is that dodging out of all guard while holding gb is a tad uncomfortable for controller

[@cinnamontoespunch4602]

all i wanna see is just undodgeables to give her an actual mixup

[@some_hippies]

Bewildering how they didn't give her a blue heavy finisher. Her chain finisher is still mostly free to just dodge especially now that she can't dodge forward gb, it's not a real mixup atm

[@vorpalkickass8825]

I hate that they removed the smooth heavy->bash soft feint animations. New Valk feels a bit clunky, but catches more things that I didn't expect to catch. Like some dodges here and there. Overall, a better fighter, but loses on the animation/personality side. With just the one all guard bash animation, it no longer feels like the same Valk, where her shield is just as much a weapon. it is now conq's favorite - shield bash time. But that's just me.

[@mixtapex7319]

I would make her heavy finisher from the side have the same properties as the side light finisher only they would have superior block to both side guards when thrown out. But it should be slowed down a bit. And maybe remove it from the lights but idk.

[@HUNT736]

Valk gets 20 damage bash into light Conq gets 13 damage bash into heavy

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

With shieldbasher(the reason they nerfed conqs followup dmg) it does 13+6 while being able to guarantee an execution of off a heavy parry or overall if the enemy is lowhealth, and conqs bash in chains is feintable...

[@envoyofrot7046]

And Hitokiri and other get over 20 damage heavy bash

[@jarodlalonde5545]

Add the undodgeable finisher heavies and make it live as far as I'm concerned

[@thatkidfox]

I think these changes need minor adjustments at most and are good to send out based alone on what I've seen. Obviously still needs playtest to be sure

[@jionmionskwisgaar1476]

"valkrie rework in a nutshell" Jorm: 🗿

[@mypal1990]

Well this rework is a sight for sore eyes. I might play Valk to see how she fares.

[@loneassassin1603]

Have you seen how quickly you have to inpit tiandis side dodge soft feint heavy? You gotta input a dodge as soon as you heavy, and it's stupid funny if you spam it out of lock.

[@novakaiserentertainment7576]

I would polish the animations a little bit,as it looks kinda janky. (There is a reason why I call her Jank-yrie now.) The only thing I would kind of tweak/change is to remove the guaranteed GB off superior blocking,and instead replace with the shoulder pin when superior blocking. Also,maybe reduce the light follow-up from 20 to 15 damage.

[@Cthulhu357]

Yay another full gaurd hero who just spams it in 4s

[@maniacalgrunt1822]

Personally I think they shouldake go live with almost no changes. maybe increase the sweep recovery timing so pre dodges can punish it cause with the rework they can't unless it's a bash. If they do nerf the light damage after bash then make it 17 damage. They could make her last heavy unblockable but its okay if they dont. Other than that no changes. I am just happy I can play her and not hate life.

[@zalleus3489]

To be perfectly honest, I have been playing since beta, made it to diamond 3 one season, all without ever learning how the hell to play as or against Valk, so as far as I know Valk is still just valk

[@energyvanquish]

It’d be nice if you had the option to do the light straight from allblock so you don’t have to feed revenge. Would make 1vX situations more manageable.

[@IcedUpGaming]

Been waiting for valk to get a rework or buff. But I feel like it’s so tame compared to other reworks especially tiandi. Of course I just want her to be broke and I’m biased but that’s just me

[@Sainted86]

I love valk mains

[@freedeathsticks4508]

Nice to meet you :)

[@Gibi92]

Been calling out for undodgeable changed heavies for years

[@fsherman9717]

You literally put me back to the game. I hate you Marco ! +1 like

[@IWantCider]

Thicc thighs feels great, give me live for mid season JC

[@edisipos4381]

I might just start playing valk now when they made her better

[@megatoki]

I honestly would just want an un-dodgeable property on her zone or chain finisher heavy otherwise i think the "rework" is pretty okay, didnt shoot her up to A or S tier but still a usable hero.

[@Sigismund5765]

so they made her just like shaolin sort of the core is she can always get into allguard and dodge out of it still love her tho this is a good rework

[@kekonator8262]

the light after the bash looks sooo bad

[@sixsone]

Now if they could only release it 😭😭

[@Sephiroth69]

I'm happy my wiafu is buffed

[@iMost067]

i have Conq PTSD from this

[@iagam3r]

me, a Nuxia player, STILL WAITING.

[@Fenrirwandering231]

Yes Finally! Valkie!!!

[@vio2328]

The 20 dmg is a bit high but I think she needs it since she has no undogable or ub so she kinda needs it, they could ofc make her heavyes or something ub or ud to compansate for a nerf to the dmg but yeah

[@sir-animecat677]

I say give the finisher light undogdable and nerf light follow up damage to 15 and call it good

[@Average_Eggman]

She is fine but they could make her side light finishers undodgeble in my oppinion, and tiandi needs his dodge dmg nerfed, kick follow up dmg nerfed, and increased dodge cancel windows on his dodge heavy

[@VanabelleVani]

I need this NOW

[@lqg4395]

WHERE'S MA LAWBRINGER REWORK?!

[@K9emerald]

Don't like the changes, keep her bash feint. Fainting into a all guard is pointless when you can just deflect the attacks when you throw a empty faint. Sure enhance dodge attacks is fine and speeding the sweep is cool. But that's about it. There was nothing wrong with her kit. She just needed maybe a undodgeable or HA.

[@CanenLuke]

I knew being a Valk main would pay off one day 😂

[@dairydregone7146]

Make the Tiandi vid plz

[@weallfalldown3377]

Finally, my main's time has come...

[@brlatv69]

I feel like Valks rework was slightly whack but welcome, but welcome, I didn't understand why her finisher heavies didn't get a property. Tiandi on the other hand... A lot of the changes were good, but were they necessary? I'd rather have Ubi revert a lot of the changes back to the current state, only keeping the feintable kick, kick follow-up, palm strike input switch (very begrudgingly), and tweak the dodge recovery cancel, only letting him do it after starter or heavy. New Tiandi just feels lacklustre and boring, he lost his uniqueness.

[@atynniehawke9341]

3:40 no character with fullblock should regain stamina while in fullblock because it automatically interrupts combos since it ha superior block property. The only one who should do so is BP since his FB is vulnerable to damage and won't interrupt combos, all others should3 have their stamina drained while in FB tho

[@KimJongUn823]

Nah black prior doesn’t need any type of rework he’s already op as is

[@robinrademacher7984]

Currently i doesnt need anything else than shaman

[@bartholomew7852]

I would make her finisher heavies undodgeable, her bash follow up a heavy input, and make her chain lights 400ms in all directions. Now hear me out on this next one, slow her finisher side lights to 600ms and make them unblockable. They are such badass moves I want to use more often, but they just get blocked every time. This last one is just a fun idea though

[@milliman4]

Looks hella fun

[@joshburke7732]

Yessss this is great

[@agidyne9676]

Wait, how tf do you get into all guard now? I gotta test this out. She looks kinda fun now. Works out cuz I just downloaded the game again for like, the 20th time. My BP has a dodge attack now, which is crazy cool!

[@SeltonShiroi]

0:04 Name of the music please? 😊🙏

[@alenkikic3531]

She only needed some trackable on heavies nothing else, they actually butchered her, simplified her... because noobs couldnt play her properly.

[@Ayyitsgreyy]

Exactly. I still can't get used to it to this day. Her new full guard just isn't that good imo.

[@GirlsUndPanzerFan98]

Glad they're getting reworks so it no longer feels like cock and ball torture playing these heroes.

[@brreakfastYT]

So I see they gave Valk a little rework. Have they given her any decent fashion options? Probably not.

[@marclebret5590]

And once again, the fun is gone in favor of "viabily". there was no need to take out the dash back stance...

[@Mr.nesser]

Where did you shove that spear against that Orochi in the end?

[@esquiro_cody]

Happy Valk Main noises

[@aaee2815]

ITS SWEEPIN TIME

[@volatile5460]

Definitely seems potent but the fact that Tiandi is just a plain bad matchup for her is making the rework seem worse than it is, I feel. That said, I do want those finisher heavies to be blue.

[@iliketea4443]

Nice one, But what about the riposte lol?

[@alvarorthnk]

As a tiandi Main I hate so much Tiandi rework

[@solaireofastora5999]

I don't see how exactly this is a nerf

[@krutch540]

Push that thing live already

[@IAMJJDM]

MAKE IT LIVEEE

[@hiddenfangsociety2696]

Well let's see if ubi balanced her or is it gonna be like every other time they've touched her broken or garbage