"It’s Abuse!” - David Pakman In Heated Tax Debate With Patrick Bet-David

[@ryanauker1144]

Some people would rather purposely miss the point rather than concede a reasonable point.

[@darshanvictor8479]

People like that you just can't have on your team. No help at all.

[@Jmsdean43]

This guy is a total duchebag. "I have a graduate and undergraduate degree." Who gives a fck.

[@vagabondwastrel2361]

thats why debating socialists isn't to win over the socialist. Just prove they are frauds to the audience.

[@Lewismarty1]

PBD super guilty of that here

[@deang8910]

@@Lewismarty1 you’re joking right? U didn’t actually watch this and think PBD was the unreasonable one did u?

[@awecballwin77]

"who makes a better decision for your daughter? You or the government?" "What kind of decsion?" Everything you need to know about the mindset of leftism right there.

[@j_jones_]

They’re all statists that act like they care more so they can get social or economic power.

[@mrplow2843]

Absolutely pathetic

[@home4life505]

A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y. leftists have so much trust in the govt they call oppressive.

[@elchipiischipi]

🤣exactly!

[@Dan16673]

@Google Sucks Ass ah not true the difference is you HAVE to deal with the gov. You can CHOOSE to deal with any such business

[@elmo860]

I love how the Pentagon can fail every single audit and people like this still exist

[@Stix_Zidinia]

Bro he made 75k a year working 30 hours a week in 2003.. and he's complaining about the system, and yet - I wonder how much of that money he's donated.

[@AdmoreMethod]

David is a Marxist. He supports the Globalist Agenda.

[@Priss933]

ask Trump , he increase the military budget by $738 billion for fiscal year 2020. The Pentagon is nothing but black hole for special interest

[@daMillenialTrucker]

​@@Stix_Zidiniahe ain't donate a dime except for donations to his onlyfans subscriptions 😂

[@spinwheel100]

😢⁹0

[@MarcosOrtiz-e6h]

P: would you like some water D: that depends on the water P: H2O D: is it in a glass or bottle P: bottle D: is it an 8oz bottle or a 16oz P: forget it

[@ahambrahmas]

yeah, clarification and specificity is for libs

[@mpup54]

EDIT D: is the bottle plastic or glass

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

This guy is nearly entirely incapable of having a productive conversation and it's so fucking frustrating

[@cassieblack1776]

He over complicated everything and makes the conversation impossible so no point can be proven.

[@robynschutze5628]

Bro this is spot on

[@latetotheparty5156]

Not sure if Pakman is naive or willingly ignoring the absolutely wasteful government spending. His "govern me harder, daddy" energy is off the charts.

[@twixt999]

He sam Harris light

[@mrmagoozle]

I scared my wife in bed laughing out loud at “govern me harder daddy” 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Ya he not centered with himself. Clearly possessed with some sort of ideology. Good content though.

[@brandonwalters9437]

😂 I just watched the other clip and commented that Pakman is the poster boy for willful ignorance.

[@TommyDavidVerbal]

Both

[@hatsanddunks]

“I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in economics.” PBD: Well, that’s concerning as well.

[@mballer]

Did the government pay for his education?

[@jamesbuchanan3888]

A graduate degree in statist apologia is nothing to be proud of.

[@cryptojedi312]

🤣🤣

[@home4life505]

🤣🤣🤣😅😆😆😆

[@st3ppenwolf]

@@jamesbuchanan3888 Yeah, let's all learn economics from Q-anon

[@stoundingresults]

Problem is Government spending, leaving taxpayers and poor people fight each other as distraction.

[@Westcoastrocksduh]

Government is just the elites piggy bank that you don’t have access to.

[@MA1NMANMA1N1AC]

The problem is thinking any organization, government entity , corporation really gives a 💩 about you.

[@gorkyd7912]

@Google Sucks Ass Why would wealth concentration be a problem? You're talking about fake dollars printed from nothing. Those are concentrated. Meanwhile 70 billion people lifted out of poverty, starvation brought to all time lows, and we live lives so comfortable we can chat about it on KZbin.

[@SK-fp4ed]

@Google Sucks Ass The problem is too many people on welfare.

[@zadekeys2194]

Problem is that if you standup, they arrest you using people that you have paid for...

[@Staymadcompa]

You know you have successfully annoyed Patrick when he responds with “Buddy” 😂

[@brianbozo2447]

and " I love your sarcasm".

[@sudorights]

It’s commonly used when people annoying you, back then you would say friend not buddy

[@talltexanintx]

Patrick has demonstrated that he doesn't have the capacity to formulate intellectual arguments but instead relies on how he "feels."

[@marshmindset]

I was annoyed at 2 minutes and struggled to finish the video haha

[@a.m.m.4592]

@MRTallTexan1 Agreed. I realized this when he asked Patrick to specify a program, and he said "any of them." Then he asked Patrick if he had an issue with all the programs and Patrick said "I didn't say all of them." Bruh...🤦‍♂️

[@GillistheIllist]

Patrick: “The color is blue” David: “What do you mean by ‘blue’?”

[@MUSCLETAKEOVER]

😂😂🤣🤣 E X A C T L Y

[@InfiniteValue]

So annoying 😅.

[@chadclevenger4251]

Annoying a$$ knows exactly what he’s saying. Pointless conversation

[@hanamlchl]

Fight over definitions because Leftist word salad is the only way to defend their garbage ideas.

[@mrt737]

Feel sorry for his wife.

[@benjaminmarlatt6111]

"Who makes better decisions for your daughter? You or the government?" I'm not even a parent, but the fact that he had to hem and haw and think that question through makes my head feel like it's gonna explode.

[@GarrettBradfordTX]

He’s pure BETA male. He’d have died 100 years ago from his sheer naïveté

[@ordoabchao4202]

"What kind of decision?" The fact that Pakman felt the need to clarify that almost made me spit out my cereals...

[@billwilson9602]

It was an incoherent question and Pakman was being a gracious guest by asking and allowing him to clarify. The idea that public schools and universities should be tuition-free (paid for by taxes) in no way suggests that "the government is making decisions for your daughter". Just a very dumb question to begin with.

[@austropunk3535]

@@billwilson9602 ok normie

[@billwilson9602]

@@austropunk3535 Great argument lmao

[@brandonclark7371]

People like this are damaging and dangerous to this country and are why we are in the trouble we are in…

[@jemmysmith8661]

They are bothing missing the point its about allocation taxes never get allocated properly

[@funnybox5544]

I know right?! Patrick speaking highly idiotic things with a massive outreach is extremely dangerous😢

[@jemmysmith8661]

@@funnybox5544 nah davids communist rhetoric is muuuch more dsngerous

[@coreym846]

This guy is the case study of what colleges are doing to our country

[@colinvanzandbergen9377]

Seriously, it’s wild that a high school graduate like PBD who doesn’t have a clue how economics works can convince people he won a debate about the economy 😂

[@MyselfStefano]

*Plus he's highly arrogant and thinks he knows everything*

[@donjoseph9325]

Patrick isn’t that educated !

[@zattu]

TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU. I HEARD THIS THEORY BEFORE FROM A SIMILAR GUY LIKE THIS ONE. OWNING MONEY IS AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. WHEN YOU CAN AFFORD IT THEN YOU BUY IT!!!!! THE GOVERNMENT LANDED MONEY IN THE NAME OF EVERYONE AND THEY ASPECT ME TO PAY FOR THEIR DECISION.

[@TheMicahwitz]

David is the prefect college robot. Recites every single talking point with accuracy, and has a complete inability to think of new concepts or ideas. 😆😆😆😆

[@aj9586]

0:28 PBD: Who makes better decisions for your daughter, you or the government? Pakman: What kind of decisions? That gave me all I need to know about this guy

[@mrplow2843]

Pathetic

[@rubyruby6358]

That was chilling. Glad I’m not his daughter

[@SekaiShinjitsu]

I fesr for these people have, they're sheeps. Like literally they'd gladly take anyone as a shepherd... submissive type of people are a true mistery for me

[@prosandconsfilms6933]

I really wish he spoke to that douchebag Hack-linski like this also

[@samsonstrong965]

That guy is a sausage

[@blakesteen131]

How can someone defend the Government this much?!? So scary people think this way.

[@solhigh1]

If you had no Government you would have nothing. Government as an idea is great, the problem is that the people you guys vote in are corrupt. That doesn't make the idea of Government bad.

[@sareight]

It’s just laziness.

[@arrowslinger2460]

weird how when he asked for examples Pat couldn't cough up a single one....

[@AngelGonzalez-du7kn]

This foo shouldn’t have smart people on his show if he will get mad because he can’t make a point smh

[@o.j.brathwaite7134]

Because it is working for them and their lives, they care not about how others get to the bag they are protecting their own interests.

[@33crushman]

The problem with taxes is it is human nature to not give a F about other people's money when there aren't immediate repercussions or any at all. The only acceptable income tax rate is 0% at the federal level, and the small amount of government we do need should can be financed through sales taxes, tolls, fees, etc.

[@mautc1]

Unfortunately that wouldn’t be posible. The federal government is in charge of many vital things, think commerce, federal infrastructure, air traffic control, the military, etc. This simply would not be able to be funded with just sales taxes or tolls, unless they become 45+%. That just would not be feasible.

[@cortlandmathers4970]

Yeah great idea. I have no interest in ensuring the food I eat is healthy, or the bridges I cross won't collapse, or the schools my kids attend will teach them something. Just give me my money and we'll all be fine.

[@usx06240]

​@@mautc1Because the fed has gotten too big.

[@usx06240]

​@@cortlandmathers4970All these things could be and were done at the state and local level. There was no Federal Dept. of Education when I went to school. Kids got better grades and were 25% stronger.

[@westtexas806]

David wants everyone else to give everyone things. But won't lend anyone anything in his personal life.

[@dustin2835]

He especially wants people to give him money

[@TommyGunz327]

He is dishonest scum. Always has been. He is also absolutely clueless. I feel sorry for the people who actually follow him and take him seriously

[@FazeParticles]

He’s a typical bourgeoisie socialist.

[@SoulofNapoleon]

I’d be willing to lend my friends anything they REALLY needed. They’ve just never asked. Does that make me unwilling to give people “things”? 😂

[@divBy0]

What do you base this statement on? Did you actually listen? I did not hear him say people asked him but he did not want to lend things out?

[@riley8469]

30min summed up: PBD: “let me give you another example” Pakman: “I don’t understand”

[@Chris-mf6bj]

Liberals like to play dumb and do mental gymnastics anytime u catch em in a debate

[@franciscorogel2099]

Packman: “show me the poll on that”

[@Chris-mf6bj]

@@franciscorogel2099 lmao 🤣

[@midlet]

The irritating thing is he absolutely understands and is pretending he doesn't.

[@ddbanks8290]

But PDBs examples were all false equivalencies

[@meast21]

9:08 sums up this entire debate

[@sasoriko]

David Pakman: "I don't lend anything to anyone. Ever. So I never have to hold anyone accountable." Also David Pakman: "I don't understand why you don't want to give money to the government whom you can't hold accountable."

[@dustin2835]

He also doesn't understand why all the followers on his KZbin channel don't want to pay him extra money to hear the same bs he tells them for free

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@dustin2835 His entire show is grifting anything Trump for his TDS echo chamber. He used to be so much better when I first discovered him about 6 years ago?

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@Mat I agree!

[@dustin2835]

@@psychonautpupildiallater7734 l just stated listening to him .The followers in the echo chamber are unbelievable. l have to admit sometimes I enjoy triggering them

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@dustin2835 It’s a guilty pleasure!😁

[@jimcagney6696]

This guy makes Adam look brilliant!

[@SpontaneityJD]

underrated comment.

[@FloridaLivin_Christian]

😂😂

[@morriswatkins5667]

This podcast is conservative propaganda

[@SpontaneityJD]

@@morriswatkins5667 ur brain is oozing quackery

[@kmarshie]

That was spot on.

[@earthling01]

This is a good example of a conversation most of us have with someone else. Often they can't formulate a thought or finish a sentence, mincing words so they look smart, and you appear without merit. Circular conversations, very frustrating!

[@martinh1437]

Just talk to someone else - say Excuse me, do you mind if I talk to someone else. Walk away

[@MegaAfrosheen]

Yeah pat was really bad here and would get pissed when he would pay it back

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Agreed. PBD is 100% convicted in his beliefs, they are grounded in real shit. This other guys lives in fairy land (probably brooklyn, North Chicago or a leafy suburb of ATL) However, I think PBD takes a limited view of government responsibility especially in America. Travel across this country you will see which states have higher tax rates, its in the quality of infrastructure. Look at the Rest Stops. The curbs, the pavement. All that shit is govt money dont forget it. The roads in Minnesota are 100x in quality vs Missouri. There is a reason for that.

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Actually the roads in MN can suck due to winter lol But there are high standards there vs other places, and it is due to the tax base. Also public education. Shit fucking matters man, taxes are important.

[@ivywoodxrecords]

I hate paying taxes too btw. Fucking hate it.

[@txterbug]

Is there a poll for that?!?

[@jamesalvarado3961]

Once he started asking questions for the questions on multiple occasions just shows me he's not interested in honest dialogue.

[@maximustrolleus9860]

patrick ignored a lot of questions too

[@Mrtgv7]

So you have the same opinion of Patrick then because he did it way more

[@gerabadillo7889]

All he says is what do you mean by this and then he says what specifically? And goes with the tangent until he is told what he is saying and he says I didn't say that and then he tries to explain in super vague ways how they agree and are not so different. The guy tries hard to look smart by not being really interested in answering anything honestly because everything is so complex and minute to even start a discussion

[@jacksparrow3490]

One person is using logic and reasoning to determine facts.. the other is ignoring facts to determine logic and reasoning.. not hard to see who's who..

[@jeremyellismusic]

I’m a fan of Pat and he obviously answered with more questions and even explained that is how he answers questions; with questions. He does it every show. Have a nice day.

[@AdamCourville]

The real nail in the coffin for me was finding out about the grace commission report. Not one cent of your income taxes go towards anything you expect that it pays for. It all goes to pay the interest on the national debt. And don’t even get me started on what created that debt out of nothing.

[@Dan16673]

@Google Sucks Ass high prices for all, they also have the pop out of large US city

[@donsaviano5957]

Abolish the Fed!!!

[@moopius]

Good to see someone else knows this piece of history... Notice it was never acted upon and has never changed!

[@khalilfuller4939]

Not surprising to me lol…big league macro stuff we’re trying run a country over here

[@mytruthslays1303]

@Google Sucks Ass norway is a capitalist society with social safety nets. Their tax rates and living expensives are thru the roof. You can find all this with an easy search, otlr find a norwegian online and ask.

[@isturbo1984]

Good God. Imagine being his wife or mother. "Honey, what would you like for breakfast?" "Well, that depends, what do you mean breakfast?" "Are you hungry, when did you get up?" "You mean how long was I awake? I was awake in bed a while before I actually got up." "Fuggit, make your own damn breakfast, David." "Well hold on, you didn't answer my question."

[@keemeister]

Now I see why people call him a weasel.

[@calstanke6170]

That's how you respond when answering the question truthfully dunks on your liberal views. Painful to listen to. PBD should never have this tds liberal beta on his show again.

[@mmafyasco]

meanwhile here’s how the conversation actually went: Pakman: Are you okay with paying more in taxes PBD: Have you ever lent anybody money?

[@conservaliberal]

comical how apes get frustrated when asked wtf they're talking about. do you understand how a conversation goes or do you just ramble from point to point without ever getting to the bottom of the first one you brought up? most likely you ask uneducated questions that when confronted with an educated answer you pull a PBD. talk over the top of someone and make a joke to hide the fact you're completely ignorant to the topic. one could imagine what its like to be around a know it all who knows nothing. brutal

[@jrparis114]

I guess you mean instead think like a Neanderthal and say I don’t care whatever will stop me from being hungry..lol 😂

[@DrSamsHealth]

Unbelievable. It’s like talking to a door. Door is better, actually, it doesn’t deflect or argue for the sake of arguing.

[@Altiebella]

I love the deflection. He's made a career out of talking a bunch of nonsense that tickles the ear but when pressed he becomes elusive

[@nigachu8249]

Perfect

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

“Uhm…. Uh… I need to see the polls” lol😂

[@guyrandom6151]

talking about PBD eh

[@christinalively8292]

Where has David been Elusive? He has factual and offers exacting examples.

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

@@christinalively8292 when pressed for data and stats, which is his signature “gotcha” technique, he stumbles and says he doesn’t have the data in front of him. It’s easy to sound smart on your own show with no one pressing you.

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

Accountability is the key word. The government has zero accountability. If I don’t pay taxes, I go to prison. If the government squanders my tax money, they don’t face any consequences. They’ll just blame it on something else, and ask for more.

[@JT-gi8rx]

Exactly. Patrick could’ve worded it better. He should’ve said that if all of our tax dollars just went to essentials, or just went to what was promised during a campaign, then that’s one thing. But every time there’s a pile of tax money that gets squandered, and we had no say. People voted for Biden, but his platform didn’t say he was going to put through a multi-trillion dollar Covid stimulus package, which drastically drove up inflation. Or things like Canada’s Trudeau spends money on, like abortion programs in Africa. Stuff like that, NO ONE voted for. Stuff like the carbon tax he introduced, which cripples everyone financially, NO ONE voted for. When these powers don’t spend our taxes wisely, there’s not a lot of options for us as voters, because either we know that all political parties will do the same thing, or we have no choice but to put up with it because we consider the other party to be worse. The overall point being, once these parties are elected, they aren’t really accountable anymore, they can spend the money any which way they want, and there will be nothing us voters can do. Especially when the media is corrupted and twists the message.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

Are you talking about government officials? Coz they have gone to prison in cases of corruption charges. Its the prominent bankers who caused the 2008 crisis who have never gone to prison.

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 Im talking about the entire government apparatus. Sure, occasionally we have individuals who commit a bribery and other criminal offenses in the government. But there’s no accountability when it comes to government mismanagement of money.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@KryptoGraphVideos And what is your solution for that? Abolish the government apparatus or bring the corrupt individuals to justice ?

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 Reform the entire system. Because right now, a lot of the shady practices in government are perfectly legal. Hence the lack of accountability.

[@Alig3388]

It's like PBD has a word count. He uses 100 words when one sentence would do. Classic behaviour of someone trying to sound smarter than they are and over compensating.

[@Jmdwolfy161]

Context means everything. Just stop watching since context makes you cringe, you wild little lefty.

[@codyleebrown4345]

The level of patience Patrick has for this gentlemen is admirable.

[@Mrtgv7]

You mean the level of patience David has with Patrick is admirable

[@decadentia84]

I can't stand Pakman typically. But David was really hard to listen to hear.

[@Vacerous]

"Are those cigars?" "Are these gummies?" "What specific program do you not like?"

[@Southerngirl612]

I agree man

[@fattonyd232]

Pacman was on the winning side of this debate...

[@0223Jeremy]

I’ve been listening to this guy for 30 seconds and he can barely get the governments D out of his mouth long enough to complete a thought. Like holy shit. These people really exist.

[@spencerm5913]

It's crazy how ridiculous he has gotten over the last decade. He used to argue against censorship and he argues for it.

[@Mrtgv7]

Think about what nonsense you just said😊

[@allanthomas6097]

You must be deff then... PBD dis nkt articulate himself and his ideology in a productive way

[@drewnashty]

@@spencerm5913 Sounds like most of the liberals that stayed on that side. Tribal, tone deaf and suffering from slothful induction.

[@ericantone8709]

"The governments D out of his mouth" How can anyone have a meaningful conversation with this level of thinking?

[@busterhoodstar6598]

Patrick: Ever have someone not pay you back? David: No Patrick: Ever been overcharged for something? David: Give me an example. Patrick: Ever have someone not do what they said they would do? David: Depends on the situation. Patrick: Ever have someone break your heart? David: I mean..., can you define "heart"? and again, No.

[@denniswilder3014]

It's the democrat mind set.they can't take things out of context they have to be told exactly what you mean they can't read between the lines.thats why they are so hung up on trumps disinfectant talking point.and don't forget these are the folks that put the warning on laundry soap to not eat it.

[@servantmichael2514]

The answers of a psychopath indeed.

[@DaleGribble1]

@@servantmichael2514 not a psychopath but rather someone who knows their own limitations and the game they play. Pakman knows how to make himself appear smart and how to work every conversation into a narrow hallway or under a microscope to keep up the intelligent appearance to his viewers. He needs to keep up (intelligent looking) appearances to make money.

[@francescoschettino5726]

@@DaleGribble1 sadly patrick doesn't know yet how to combat this behavior, fight fire with fire. I could write an essay on how to embarass people like packman. You gotta know what you're dealing with though. Topics have to be picked prior.

[@DaleGribble1]

@@francescoschettino5726 I don't watch this channel much and don't know how Patrick normally debates on politics but I thought Pat was fighting fire with fire and that's why David kept acting this way, to keep from losing control. It created the odd back and forth. Each one was throwing punches at their respective levels and wouldn't concede any ground. I think David would get obliterated by someone like Ben Shapiro and wouldnt even dare to go up against Jordan Peterson or Noam Chomsky. I only watched bit and pieces of the video. On his radio show Pakman covered up the 2nd and 3rd wave of riots in my city and others. I think he's sketchy trash.

[@jpjmk]

Pat went full Cathy Newman here 🤣 “so you’re saying…”

[@brianwalker4760]

The scariest part of this conversation is that this guy has 1.6 million minions following him.😢😢

[@marvelousssssss]

Minions is a good adjective, although I am sure a decent portion of them are also numpties

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

Bots

[@robertjackson7590]

It looks like they've shown up here to counter with their superior intellect. Sad, a product of our college education system.

[@WJBrown]

And Patrick couldn't give a specific answer on a specific program he doesn't like and you guys follow him lol 😆 😂 🤣..

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@robertjackson7590 I troll Pukeman’s channel on the regular, he gets a mix of TDS dullards of all stripes. But I think a majority of his subscribers are bots that he’s purchasing? Seriously. He does have a lot of comment traffic, but it’s a lot of “Love you David. Keep up the good work” crap. And he has a lot of elderly retired fans with nothing better to do, they’re real, cause I troll snd piss em off quite a bit.😉

[@thegoatbilly]

This person articulates his ignorance well. That's it.

[@FactsMatter999]

Brilliant …underrated comment

[@joeyflorio7517]

Got eeem

[@goodtalker]

Was Pakman once a trans woman?

[@riseagain845]

​@@goodtalker Have you ever tasted curb?

[@goodtalker]

I think I had Pakman confused with someone else. What doe's "curb" mean? @@riseagain845

[@richardmcgarry5188]

Something that has always amazed me, I'm 66 years old, I have lived and worked in London, Miami, Dublin, Johannesburg and Paris, Many different countries on 3 continents and I have never been Polled.

[@funnybox5544]

Huh?

[@Firstname_Surname]

"I have never been polled so polls must be fake"

[@rickesping1586]

The sad thing is it really doesn't matter how much taxes they take in. Our government spends far, far beyond what it takes in, in taxes.

[@godbyone]

We have to send Ukraine 2 trillion.

[@jthomasmack]

@@godbyonethat's a lie. Drop the source proving that. You can't but I'll wait anyways 😂

[@kathrynmcelroy5658]

the worst thing about our government is CORRUPTION. The obscene amount that is just spent on campaigns.

[@curiousgirl.4134]

Yes, they try to find ways to spend the money instead of having a steadfast spending budget

[@miketexas4549]

The REAL tax is inflation.

[@joseguzman5875]

Patricks analogies are all over the place....

[@michaellitten4538]

Not if you have a functioning brain 😂

[@ProofintheDoof]

I think David was pretending to not understand certain analogies (he is brilliant at doing this) so Patrick started reaching for all kinds of examples to get on the same page.

[@mikewoods1005]

Patrick isn’t debating in good faith. He’s using bogus analogies to paint David as a Biden supporter to deflect from his illogical views on Trump. Patrick always touts his rags to riches story yet supports a guy who would have kept him and his family from migrating to this country. I lost all respect for Patrick because he’s a rich dude that benefited from Trump’s policies and doesn’t care if the country went to shit because he can live anywhere he wants.

[@Zylothical]

@@mikewoods1005because Trump’s policies only benefited the rich? Comparing them to now, 2023 seems like a much worse time to be an average American, not just a rich one.

[@johnmullins1964]

Shows clearly Patrick has no idea to how debate but works in unclear analogies. I liked him until this video. Typical maga vague points

[@ralphietwoshoes]

Parents: We can’t afford to buy you a new toy, things are tight right now, and we don’t have the money Kid: What specific toy can we not afford Parents: Any of them, plus all the toys we’ve bought you in the past have just gone to waste, we have too many toys already! Kid: But what specific toy do you have a problem with? It’s just obfuscation through asking for clarification. It’s a way to utilize the infinite potential granularity of details to position the conversation where he can be more rhetorically effective. Where Pakman fucks up here is that he isn’t positing a example which builds his own point of view, and PBD isn’t playing his game so he comes off as just trying to be combative.

[@Dino2GunZ]

Thank you I've been trying to put this into words and I couldn't even come close to doing it as eloquently as you so thank you good sir I thought I was the only one that seen what was going on here

[@pohoheli]

If you watched the whole interview as well he would always ask for specific numbers and stats for PBD. When PBD asked him for stats back from David when he made broad judgments and statements about conservatives he would either change the convo or say that it doesn't really matter and that PBD was just trying to muddy the waters essentially. Even though PBD was just using his own weapon against him.

[@carloseduardomondragon8052]

No it is not the same thing. What he is saying is that there are "toys" (bad metaphor btw) that we need to keep paying for in order to produce greater benefits in the future. An example of this is investing in education, which has a high likelyhood of repaying itself in the future and help you dig out of the debt hole

[@Droselover-hu1gt]

This is not what happened. Context matters. Pakman was making broad statements that didn’t require backing from data. Patrick’s statements did require backing from data

[@BD-me4nk]

@Carlos Eduardo Mondragón you are like Pakman, the metaphor is never good enough because it defeats your point. We know your point that we have no choice but to continue debt because one option (the wrong option) is to go further into debt to let someone else deal with it. Your side claims all victories and ignores losses.

[@yohancesalmon618]

Sadly to say these are the type of people running our country. He is clueless and a fool. It was hard to listen/ watch this clip. Thanks for showcasing and having this hard convoluted conversation.

[@evan258]

Yep, they are in the highest forms of government and media and more are created in these woke colleges as well. These people think everyone else is stupid unless they are 100% lock step with them.

[@d3j3s3]

Pakman says not all government spending is bad, the host tried getting him to say otherwise. I agree it was hard to watch but for me it was all of the bad questions the host was asking

[@P1ea5eho1d]

Pat is the kind of long-winded, stupid example. Who remembers Joe Rogan calling him out on it because joe couldn't fallow his points, and Pat tried to explain, and joe interrupted him and moved the conversation along.

[@guitarlessonswith4480]

This guy is the epitome of why we're imploding. It's frightening.

[@DHEspana]

Why are the nordic countries doing so well?

[@toshland5687]

@@DHEspana Are they?

[@polishprincess8469]

@@DHEspana they're not!

[@Kpizzo]

Yeah Patrick really puts the d in dumb in this one… he can’t even remember what his guest was saying half the time. He reminds me of so many of our gop senators and congressmen these days. Big reason why we are imploding. Can we get someone who can think for more than 1 second at a time?

[@damon7562]

@@DHEspana So the only time you people will point out a country that is "doing better" is when that country is more white and has stricter immigration laws. 🤔

[@johncocktoestone2435]

I convinced a friend to come out for dinner while he had no money to spend while unemployed. I paid for dinner to treat him and his wife. He then put $50 into a slot machine on the way out of the pub. I never payed for anything for him again. He's basically the government.

[@hebber1961]

Similar thing once with my niece and brother-in-law. He loaned her money for something fairly major and at a family outing she proceeded to make repeated trips to get instant pull tabs at the bar. He was seething. Some people have no concept of their actions.

[@d3maccus]

I wouldn't be too hard on them, some people have real issues gambling and are always broke and any dollar they have they think they can make it into more. Its not the like the guy is betting thousands of dollars and buying high roller hotel rooms or some shit.

[@marcusrosales3344]

@demaccus It's inconsiderate af though. I had drug addicts do similar things with me... They see your own money as disposable because it's NOT theirs.

[@stevepatterson10x]

The government is actually worse. Your friend, although they were low odds at least had a chance to make more money, the government doesn't the way they spend.

[@gugy68]

People who are broke for the MOST part waste money on stupid stuff.

[@diegoolivarez1]

The fact that he couldn’t immediately answer that he could care for his daughter better than the government tells you all you need to know.

[@prosandconsfilms6933]

1000000%

[@Dino2GunZ]

He knows for a fact that isn't true but he also knows the parallel that Patrick was making and that's why he couldn't give a straight answer that's why he couldn't say that he would be a better parent he did it through this whole debate he's a smart guy he knows what Patrick is doing and he's trying to avoid getting trapped and it just comes off as he's delusional he's not typical moves from the left

[@rareosts5752]

Not only did he not immediately answer he actually said it depends. If I had to guess, I'd say he doesn't even really believe that, he was just intentionally being difficult and also he expects everyone else to submit to government, not him because he'll either be part of the nightmare government or have connections to it

[@rareosts5752]

@googlenazicompany5935 are you really asking that question?

[@justarandomdude6175]

There are a lot of people who would take worse decisions for them and their children than the government. It’s kinda silly that you think otherwise

[@fabfrenchies1974]

Very simple difference between these 2. One doesn't trust the government and prefers to make his own way with little interference. The other believes the government is more efficient than they are and can be trusted with way more more resposibility than they should ever have.

[@CryptoChef99]

He got him right from the start " You're living in a Frickin Utopia"

[@jacksparrow3490]

Its called a cult..

[@genericdeveloper3966]

Wealthy upper middle class liberal. Yup.

[@RiaSwiftHealing]

He missed the deeper aspects. Patrick is dense.

[@dijonpsalm6938]

It's is a utopia, but give it some years. Rome was considered a utopia once.

[@CryptoChef99]

@@RiaSwiftHealing agreed

[@agustinreyes1611]

It's as simple as income vs spending. if a household or government has an income of 100k a year but constantly spends 150k and has to borrow 50k on top of what they earn to buy/make whatever they think they want or need ( when it is probably not necessary), then you are not spending that money wisely. And wisdom is never going to win when you have a population financially hostage through taxes and no accountability. Because that debt is not going anywhere and we are going to be losing parts of our country and our heritage to debtors that want to subjugate or destroy our way of life. We are not even borrowing from friends but enemies of our way of life. They are probably waiting to drop the hammer. And that would mean war. How are we going to let China establish a sovereign territory inside the continental US when they come for the land we used to leverage the loan for the trillions that we owe them and they come knocking for that money? We won't. It will be war. And they are probably waiting for the right set of circumstances where we will not be able to effectively defend ourselves. We can't wait for the checkmate to wake up. That's probably a worst-case scenario but we can't deny that the circumstances are in place that could lead to that disaster.

[@brandonwesten5315]

Pat freaks out when he’s interrupted yet he interrupts David as much or more. And while freaking out says it doesn’t bother him. This guy is all over the place

[@calundoconteal6851]

I think Pat may have been a little too assertive here, but I believe his philosophies regarding how we should conduct the economy are grounded way more in experience and practical knowledge, rather then David Pakman's academic knowledge.

[@Ixnatifual]

Yeah, he's not interested in honest discussion. That's why he interrupts to veer off-topic before Pakman can answer.

[@Tavat]

@@timperesada4269 Pat is the kind of guy who beat up nerds in high school.

[@pcharm3711]

Majority of society

[@hashish2020]

@@Tavat Pat was definitely a nerd who got his ass beat and is now so insecure he acts like this

[@chilipep4438]

David - college should be free everyone should have to pay for my tuition. Also David - yeah I was making 70k part time while in college.

[@nickgardner1408]

That was in 2003 too!🤯

[@eliasastol7926]

@@nickgardner1408 maybe he earned it the way kumala harris did

[@AK47HEAVYMETAL83]

If I made that much with just 30 hours of work a week, I would’ve dumped college and worked 80 hours a week and bank 200k/yr instead 😂😂😂

[@AppleseedVending]

This guy needs a swift kick to the nuts. Then a couple more

[@elzoog]

@@AK47HEAVYMETAL83 Especially since he probably uses ZERO percent of what he learned in college to make money today.

[@zephrinbest1588]

It is crazy how people are willing to pay taxes without question you might as well be under a monarchy

[@jemmysmith8661]

MISALLOCATION Historically the gov is inefficient- Facts

[@marcissobadass]

This guy is killing me! I am laughing so hard and this is supposed to be serious. Isn’t it? Like oil and water with these two.

[@p2a0p2e0r1]

He is using semantics and playing dumb to maneuver his way around these questions.

[@paulso5744]

Very true man, very true.

[@poppasensei2427]

He is the worst trying to be an intellectual he’s just wasting his breath sorry I gotta stop listening to this nonsense

[@morriswatkins5667]

PBD is clueless

[@travtotheworld]

A couple years ago people were telling me I should listen to him because he's one of the smart, articulate people on the left. His arguments are often almost verbatim the kinds of arguments I heard from leftists in 7th grade.

[@fearlesscummings1089]

You know what you should be able to finance with a credit score of 400….Nothing!!😂😂😂 loved it!!!!

[@livingmodern]

Patrick: ok so have you ever peed while standing on a refrigerator into the mouth of an alligator? David: I haven't Patrick: Have you ever put dirt on a tiny dog while gardening? David: I haven't Patrick: OK OK so APPARENTLY YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS

[@LetsBendReality]

Oh shiiiite! I love this comment. Thank you for THAT.

[@Angeni]

Legitimately a high level summary of this discussion! Patrick keeps trying to pull rabbits out of a hat to try to “get” David, but it’s not based in fact or reality so David isn’t going to understandably relate because there’s no rationale….

[@jamesblatchford3738]

Summed-up perfectly…hosts took cluelessness to new heights.

[@myamericans1112]

Right! David is awesome.

[@charliebarboardingtraining478]

This is actually funny I respect Patrick but he does do comical shit like this haha good work

[@siouxzen8035]

I think Patrick should interview Harry Sisson next. He’d be more coherent. 🤣

[@TrevorLV702]

This is a perfect example of having as many college degrees as a thermometer but not being able to give an exact answer like the thermometer.

[@Axeheum]

😂

[@Mrtgv7]

Yet David didn’t give any exact answers what

[@Optable]

@@Mrtgv7 Literally his exact point

[@forgottenmorethanyoulleverknow]

Education is different than intelligence and this man proved it

[@dafaq7561]

The host here keeps coming up with analogies that are so child-like that it's basically framed in a gotcha style question. The guest has to untangle the analogy for 2 minutes before getting to an answer. And the questions are HUGE questions. They can't be put bites with any sort of honesty.

[@Kaloyan.Dimitrov]

I recently moved to Germany and I was a little bit mad when I found out that my income tax is almost 40% which includes all kinds of taxes like health insurance, local tax and retirement plan. However you get a lot of benefits, the roads are getting cleaned regularly, there is a great public transport and almost all medical treatments are free. I recently had my wisdom teeth removed and it cost me 0$.

[@BK-ri4lj]

Everybody always wants European style benefits without the European style taxes. I bet if you asked David Pakman if he wanted 40% taxes on the average citizen as well as a 25%+, he'd say no.

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

Yes

[@LibertarianRF]

Oh..end you're going to enjoy insane gas prices and vaccine mandates? Lol so you're wisdom tooth surgery makes up for 40% lol...

[@chrislong6806]

You paid for the wisdom teeth removal with that 40% tax

[@Kaloyan.Dimitrov]

@@chrislong6806 Of course I did, I know that. My point is that you actually get a lot of social benefits and you can actually see a point of paying your taxes.

[@ornerybronco]

I'm not religious but I'm going to pray for this fella.

[@tamimedaoud9924]

O man , I don't know how PBD kept calm.

[@Akron162]

Why? Because he had trouble understanding Patrick's nonsensical points and bullshit analogies?

[@maiingan07]

I’m right there with you.

[@dustinbanneddotvideo2082]

🤣🤣🤣🔱🤣🤣🤣 me 2

[@dustinbanneddotvideo2082]

@@Akron162 hes still sleeping, thats why, blinded by hate and fake news

[@KayDub-t6v]

There's no way that Pakman isnt a propagandist.

[@dubsin54]

Imagine not being able to admit you can pick better education for your daughter than the government… I’d hate to be his kid 😬

[@Akron162]

That question didn't make any sense. This entire debate was Patrick interrupting David and interpreting everything he said in absurd ways. When did he say he wanted the government to pick his daughter's education? The argument is for the option of public higher education to at least exist, as it does in many other countries (which still have private colleges), but in Patrick's mind that somehow turns into "the government controlling your children education". This podcast was very frustrating.

[@iptvclub1575]

The question itself was ignorant. The government doesn’t choose what school you would go to, but what if they said “all public universities are free”. Yes you still have private colleges like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton etc. But if you get into North Carolina State or Michigan State or UNLV etc those are free. Would that change your answer? Also private companies don’t do everything better than the government. For example if the postal service was privatized it would be horrendous and millions of people would not get their mail because the government actually loses money on certain routes in rural areas, same thing with public transit. Private companies would only run the most profitable routes.

[@944clogue]

That's communism, and that's what he wants.

[@lerxstpratt8889]

@@Akron162 why do you assume he is only talking about college? Because the guest is trying to re-frame the question to give his progressive opinions rather than stick to the subject matter. I’ll give him credit, he is good at deflection and tap dancing.

[@marvelousssssss]

Packman "I worry that you think I may be talking in bad faith.' David, we don't "think"'that, we know it. You revealed yourself here for what you are.

[@shanedaniel8954]

This started off relatively confrontational, but it did end up like they were able to seemingly hit some middle ground. That was nice to see. We need more of this in our society.

[@Sloimer]

@@noyou2767sometimes you have to give face, take a break, and try again later - yes.

[@troywilkinson8937]

You are on crack bro

[@marcwhite3322]

Wow he is a Trump jock holder... He see everything through blinders. He doesn't even understand foreign policy. Stick to business.

[@alexcruz7719]

It was confrontational from P from the get go. He brought this guy to argue, not to try to understand anything. And this is the guy btw who thinks UPS WORKERS are being paid to much

[@blerinajaupaj3280]

Agreed- quite nice to see they genuinely liked each other and listened to each idea

[@webbie1891]

Truth to David Pakman, is like sunlight to a vampire

[@Etherchannel]

Did we watch the same video?

[@justopinions5919]

He's a creepy guy

[@j_jones_]

He’s the vampire and answering questions is the sunlight

[@scottwall8419]

His part is on the side of his head. He's not a human

[@Downey-2000]

@@Etherchannel Patrick is trying to communicate and David is trying to win a debate . Tipical conservative vs lib .

[@LanceB-n4o]

First off our country needs to quit giving money to other countries as we have plenty of things that don’t get addressed or provided for.

[@KKOPPONG]

That’d be disastrous for you. America doing that protects American interests in those spaces commercially. Americas strength is influence. If you allow other countries to have that influence more than you then commerce gradually moves from you to them. China being in Africa having a monopoly on mined resources is why the Chinese car market has surpassed the US. Russia being a massive presence in the EU for energy means the sanctions the US imposed on them are virtually useless, how dire would the US influence in Europe be if they weren’t overspending on NATO alliances? If the US wasn’t on friendly financial terms with the Saudi’s historically this great currency dominance you’re slowly losing would have never gotten of the ground to begin with. The US doesn’t have a choice but to spend on countries because the minute they don’t they become useless instantly. You can’t point at a single thing the world would benefit from if the US stopped spending. What value would the IS be to anyone? YOUR economy is backed by our spending with YOUR dollar being the focal point. If you then spend all the money WE give you on YOURSELVES only then what reason do we have to cooperate with you?

[@JesseFragale]

Pat: Would you lend your bike to somebody? David: God no!

[@julianjulian2957]

and?

[@KimSkid2k]

Nice Jew

[@DHEspana]

Are you under the impression you´re making a point with that or...?

[@julianjulian2957]

@@KimSkid2k would you lend me your car?

[@KimSkid2k]

@@julianjulian2957 To my friends and family, yes of course?

[@adamkingston2231]

I love how David gives up on being frustrated and just gets amused

[@tomasmendezdiaz9833]

Beto is a moron. He doesnt see that republicans did the same. Remember the bank bailout, the loans guven to marjorie green and bobert, the 2 trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, the tax cut, they are not held accountable where is their money. Big pharma using tax dollars and keeping the profits. All corupt all the time. And i will give u a truth nugget no republican president has balance the budget accept for Eisenhower. Sooo spending is good why ruin the party u butt hurt repubs. A group of boomers.

[@lastnamefirstname8843]

Pakman is the most bad faith commentator on the internet lol

[@markislivingdeliberately]

@@Terry-Hesticle funny part is you could be talking about either one. Though only one of them built something tangible and the other gives opinions for a living. PBD does that now too, but AFTER he had real world success. Pakman simply gives opinions in things without consequence. If he’s wrong, nothing happens. He gets to keep giving opinions. Good racket, the media and intellectualism

[@emirramos990]

@@lastnamefirstname8843 No, that's only because you disagree with his worldview. For folks like you simply disagreeing is acting in bad faith.

[@lastnamefirstname8843]

@@emirramos990 I disagree with Destiny, but he doesn’t argue in bad faith. Forcing your opponent to bring data to support his point, but then relying on hypotheticals for your own is bad faith. Laughing and intentionally strawmanning your opponents is bad faith.

[@michaelgaines158]

First of all, our taxes paid, is not a loan. We're not "lending" the government money by paying taxes.

[@JRnunyubznys]

I even held off posting my comment to see if he could recover and there is absolutely no hope this guy is completely lost. The word he needs to learn is ACCOUNTABILITY. Government has none and expects the rest of us to be held to that standard.

[@Veyron1967]

This guy sure loves the government teat. Because he believes the establishment agrees with his point of view. For now.

[@-iloveyou]

this dude is such a pos human being

[@Think-dont-believe]

@@-iloveyou this comment deleted .. crazy New vs top can c

[@AK47HEAVYMETAL83]

The worst are the unelected bureaucrats within the government agencies that make up “regulations” on the fly, that are considered “law,” that fuck up all the time and still retain their jobs, health benefits and retirement benefits. At least elected officials can get removed by voters for incompetence and what not. But those fucks think they’re Gods and Kings.

[@elzoog]

David uses the word accountability during the interview. Yet I bet he can't give any real-world examples of how the citizen CAN make the government accountable. To give you an example, he might complain about the Catholic priest child abuse scandals. Yet, he probably doesn't know that a child is actually more likely to be abused in the public school. He might respond with the idea that a teacher in the public school would be held accountable, but a deep dive into the evidence shows this is not the case. Add to that the fact that if you find out that the priest in your local church is abusing children, you have the freedom to not go to that church anymore. If you find out that the public school teacher is abusing your children, you do not have the freedom to not send your kid to the public school anymore.

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

Davids never been hit in the face and it shows. condescending, sarcastic.

[@brettbrashers8423]

I was thinking about this the whole time. Getting checked once or twice is good for a man's humility.

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

@@brettbrashers8423 David is such a weasel. Even when the other person is just having a conversation, David is trying to play his stupid mind games.

[@crimsonking8942]

*Not an actual point or anything of substance or constructive criticism of him. It's very telling.*

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

@@crimsonking8942 The point is David is always playing mind games even if the other person is not. He's childish.

[@chopin1975-tq3gx]

being hit in the face isnt something to be proud of in the year 2024; i dont know what culture you're from, but to think otherwise, is pretty stupid.

[@hosiequad]

This man is a professional saboteur of reality. The part most of us cannot wrap our heads around is that he is not aware that he is, only because he forces himself to not be aware to claim naivety. There is a classic trope we see in movies when someone says "I don't want to know, because they'd tell if I was lying"... That dialogue happens between him and his self in the confines of his mind.

[@omarmontoya115]

@Google Sucks Ass He's saying this idiot knows where Patrick is going and purposely acts stupid to ruin Patriks metaphors. He's refusing to step out of his ideologies and reality and claims his perspective is the only perspective that makes sense.

[@Justinlearns]

It's the gift and curse of the "well educated"

[@bliss45]

@@Justinlearns Yeah. Their curse is that "they dont agree with me"

[@MrDoubtful42069]

@Google Sucks Ass same

[@aaronb4936]

@Google Sucks Ass he’s saying Parkman is a bullshit artist. I dumbed it down for you.

[@johnbee4557]

“ have you ever lent anything to anyone “ pak: “ no” 😆 tell me you have no friends without telling me 😆

[@SilvesterHumaj]

Typical dirty c0mmun1$+

[@AeronStraid]

Most people likely can't stand him.

[@xxcabbagedevourer420xx4]

what's wrong with having no friends?

[@johnbee4557]

@@xxcabbagedevourer420xx4 alot

[@mo7mova752]

More like tell me you're lying without telling me.

[@barrick4807]

Rich people do it all the time it’s called investing I’d rather invest my million into a person I believe than a mob who’s not going to give me anything. This guy is killing me

[@hkventura]

Patrick: If you come to me and want to wipe my butt should I let you? David: WTF?! Are we still talking about taxes?... Adam: He means do you want some lunch?

[@fgabrieltomas]

he's so fkinf intellectually dishonest

[@TheCaptain773]

Exactly, Patrick is unbearable to listening to sometimes lol

[@DaDankStrafe]

😂😂😂

[@jaylesebrown7664]

@@TheCaptain773 Thank God you said that, I thought it was only me. With his anologies, it's hard to tell if he's disingenuous or stupid.

[@Nardage]

@@TheCaptain773 Aids

[@jacobh674]

“I have two degrees in economics” “I have no idea what you’re talking about” when PBD makes a simple analogy

[@Rationalreason777]

They were not analogous. That's the problem, LOL.

[@uromvictor]

That’s the motherfuckers they giving degrees to these days and wonder why they have student loan.

[@ephyah.mahmah]

It's like pulling teeth ,listening to this guy in a debate.

[@its_rick_james_bich2575]

Which one?

[@leadfarmer9396]

Agree

[@matthummel1279]

Totally agreed. Say what you want abut Ben Shapiro but at least he makes an actual argument. This dude just spews incomplete statements and pushes the conversation in random directions.

[@solhigh1]

The problem is the interviewer is trying to use simple questions, but they are not so simple. David tries to get more information out of him, but Patrick does not have the capability to understand more complex answers. He is trying to say if the Government just cut most programs it would get out of debt. This doesn't work.

[@phonkphonk]

@@solhigh1 how does the government get out of debt?

[@patrickanderson4680]

We dont give money to anyone. Its extorted.

[@Spawny500]

I applaud PBD for having folks with possible differing views than his own on his show. That said he is severely under prepared here, and getting owned by David over and over. His co host had to attempt a save on a couple occasions. Dude needs to actually read as opposed to just listen to the sound of his own voice.

[@therealkpeworldwide]

He did the same with Roland Martin…he and Trump went to the same debate class.

[@cjjones6264]

@@therealkpeworldwide LMAO! 😂 🤣 😅 Yes, he did try it with Roland, and got absolutely trashed! But even worse than that -if you can believe it can get any worse- he went on to try it with Astrophysicist/Scientist, Neil deGrasse Tyson!!! 😂 😂 😂 👆🏾 As usual:it was hard (but fun) to watch!

[@calundoconteal6851]

@@therealkpeworldwide Dude, Roland is such a biased and shallow-minded man

[@hikedeco9749]

This is like the dumbest guy who's ever been on the PBD podcast,what do u mean owned?😂😂

[@Blackskye211]

@@calundoconteal6851 Roland speaks facts and folks don’t like it

[@martinkambaki4014]

Another gem by PBD. Love the banter. Not too sure if Pakman was prepared for this interview but glad for his participation. This is what America so great

[@101yak]

WHAT. Patrick looked terrible in this podcast. HOLY CRAP. I usually agree with him on 90% and on this podcast it was disgustingly polarizing with how bias he was. He was demanding answers for things he did not even know and his guest asks if they could look it up so they could discuss it properly. Just a joke interview this time. For me this was reverse Antonio Brown podcast where Brown was disgusting.

[@allanthomas6097]

@@101yak I 100 percent agree, I dont like dave but I do think he was on point and able to articulate himself perfectly... PBD did not... i gained respect for dave 👏

[@peterhorton9063]

@@101yak Like Patrick dodged everything. He has very simplistic views that he uses to ask leading questions while interrupting the guest. It gets old.

[@joseluiz7017]

Good comment

[@101yak]

@@peterhorton9063 if you think that was the case, please re-watch... He literally went into pain stakingly detailed information on his perspective and even went as far as to correct many times and re-state his position MANY TIMES.

[@rareosts5752]

Patrick should have asked him what the government is better at deciding for his daughter than he is, since he actually said yes to that question. Sickening.

[@basicguy5785]

In regards to schooling, choice is dependant on money. Lots of people have no choice at all.

[@Vgallo]

Lol don’t you understand that the government has access to whole libraries full of data and experts that you don’t even know exists, to say you make better decisions in every single situation is extremely foolish. But I’d expect nothing less from this channel.

[@christramontana2533]

I agree it was a missed opportunity. It's why David tried to get the subject directed towards higher education as opposed to grade school. He wants the government to pay for college and avoid talking about the indoctrination that occurs when kids are in grade school (including high school)

[@Vgallo]

@@christramontana2533 lol no it wasn’t, he would disagree with that characterisation, the reason he directed towards college is because that’s an area where the government isn’t doing jack shit for education, whereas they do far more in early school. How the fuck do you come up with this one sided reasoning, are you really so obtuse as to not recognise that a lefty wouldn’t call it indoctrination if they believed children were just being taught what’s right? You guys are so simple minded, your making me want to leave the right. I mean no he couldn’t possibly be making a legitimate point- oh no that would mean I’d have to try and work to understand , no no no , it’s far easier to just caricature them and posit bad faith motives 🤦‍♂️

[@calysagora3615]

@@basicguy5785 Schooling is just child abuse, not education. Schooling should be abolished.

[@jefferydixson8952]

If US federal government asked the rich and corporations to pay for the use of public transportation from airports , seaports and railways at private rate .

[@The_ScapeGoat]

PBD: Explains how government is inefficient with taxes. DP: Gives argument against anarchy.

[@TheMassacreOfTheBanuQurayzahQu]

Not DP's argument.

[@bigjack79]

This reminds me of having conversations with my son about him living in an imaginary world vs real life.

[@RD24LFG]

Dam your son trans? Lol

[@huricanethreeonesix]

@@RD24LFG LOL, wtf

[@gcozzie123]

Funded by you probably. I've got one of those.

[@kenyafromcali]

😂😂😂😂😂😂🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@Doeyhead]

I agree it's almost like Pat doesn't understand that our reputation on a Globe of other countries matters, and that taxes are necessary to run a country.

[@ChazWalkerWonders]

"I'm okay with paying more in taxes on the things I want my taxes spent on." Translation: "I want others to be forced to pay for the things i want."

[@GetAlong2GetAlong]

He acts like we get to pick where the tax money goes. If the government gave people a checklist and we got to pick that would make it clear what the people wanted.

[@eves08109]

Exactly!😂

[@ChazWalkerWonders]

@@GetAlong2GetAlong that's the default state of money in capitalism. We don't need government to collect it in order for it to be spent on things we want to spend our money on.

[@Torrnintwo]

The UK taxes are high and they get free health care but it can take 15 days to see a doctor. Is that really showing that their tax dollars are being used right?

[@Nova.t]

You have to wait to see a doctor here in the USA. It's no different. You act like there are no wait times in the US. Insurance companies also dictate the decision you can make about what doctors you can see (in network / out of network) and what prescription drugs they are going to cover. So, please educate yourself. Stop the dumb Republican talking points.

[@Torrnintwo]

@@Nova.t Is insurance voluntary or forced/mandatory? If its forced then its a tax and then your asking for the same issues as the UK. I never said there are no waiting times in the US, perhaps what I wrote may imply no or short waiting time if the reader chooses. Most countries around the world insurance is a choice to cover yourself or your assets. Whatever the insurance companies decide is up to their business model and your chosen level of coverage, correct? Short waiting times for medical care are priority part of private health insurance in many countries. If you have private health care insurance in the UK it can be 2 or 3 weeks to see a specialist but if you have the mandatory NHS insurance it is up to 18 weeks or more. So please don't conflate the issue of 'force or choice' as they are the same.

[@Nova.t]

@@Torrnintwo in the US if you don’t get insurance you’re penalized by the government’s when you file taxes, you have to pay a fee. So yes there is coercion. At least with a national system there is a level of accountability , the people can control the health insurance industry far more than they can in a free market system.

[@benwidener2084]

Medicare, speaking from experience here, impedes care as well. Insurance does it for profit, Medicare does it out of well intentioned incompetence. Neither really do what we want as patients, both need a massive overhaul. Both provide poor return on value.

[@Nova.t]

@@benwidener2084 if Medicare impedes care and is so terrible why is it then that Medicare is so popular with seniors?

[@miltonallen558]

PBD tried to compare government spending to a personal health diet. 😂😂😂

[@jeremyclarksonfragrance]

PBD: "If I'm smelling bad, I'm not shaving etc"

[@ricardoaguilar7764]

Yea because he has to dumb it down for stupid people, example, you 🫡

[@stephenb2276]

@@jeremyclarksonfragrance that can correlate. Can't keep up can ya

[@sevensages5279]

Pat did run a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% of the licensed agents make less than minimum wage. 85% make less than $200/month

[@craignelson2303]

@@sevensages5279 he still does. He’s listed as the CEO on its website. The guy is a dummy and the only way he *understands* how to make money is via cons.

[@ryanhumor]

“Everything I’m saying is being relayed back to me, interrupting me and incorrectly. So now I’m having to clean up what you think I said to then answer the original question”….. I’ve been there, disagreements w/ PBD types go on for hours.

[@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur]

He's a Trump Cult following clown!

[@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur]

@@cdr3986 They don't mind Trump adding $12 trillion dollars in 4 years!!!

[@matthewalkman386]

PBD was so bad here

[@keithmackenzie7680]

And the guest was right in that usually there isn’t a whole lot of substantive disagreement. “Let’s both agree, 1) some level of taxation is necessary for society to function, and 2) there should be oversight of government spending, and wasteful programs cut.” You don’t have to pretend I think we don’t need fire departments, and I don’t need to pretend you think it’s ok for DHHS to spend $80 on a toilet bowl plunger.

[@LaelWhitlow]

I think we can all agree that although PBD has good points in theory they're usually grossly oversimplified to the point of nonsense, on the flip side DP likes to get very granular and wont concede on smaller talking points even though they are seemingly coherent. PBD: "What % of taxes would you be comfortable paying" DP: "Depends on the situation" This is the essence of the debate.

[@lauriehere6408]

This is sort of like a conversation between me and my husband. Two people talking about completely different things and having no idea why they can't agree.🙈

[@deeryan4071]

Why not just pay for your daughter's education directly? Why earn the money, then give it to the government so they can take their cut (which they do) and then they give it to the school? Why do you need the government acting as the middleman?? That makes no sense. I'd actually be happy if I could direct where my taxes go, too. Like saying we all have to pay 10% of our earnings in taxes, then WE get to say where it goes (Like filling out a line item list: 45% for public schools, 25% for the military personnel incomes, 20% for policing, 10% towards federal road maintenance.) We'd soon find out what programs the American taxpayers REALLY support and programs that received no funding, would be ended. That's fair. Programs would receive only the funding the people wanted to go towards it and they ALL have to perform within that amount. Perfect.

[@MarvinAndross]

Parkman I think did the most perfect representation of what it means to be a democrat. PBD: Can’t have spending without accountability. Parkman: What do you mean by Accountability?

[@maccusmc]

That's what intellectualism looks like. The details and context matter. Did you think the entire tax system could be explained and debated in 30 min?

[@derpestarzt]

​@@maccusmc "the entire tax system..." it's simpler than that, the government keeps doing an awful job at spending taxes and keeps getting us all in debt. If you continue giving money to someone who keeps on wasting it and getting themselves and you into more debt why the heck would u continue giving them money?? Lefties have such a weird needy relationship with government, like u guys literally believe the Estate is God lol.

[@alejandromarquez3526]

If you make a claim that we need accountability, you better have a good definition for accountability ready

[@KentBuchla]

Nice self-own, my dude.

[@johnnyceagles]

​@@alejandromarquez3526how on earth does one not understand that basic concept without an explanation? "No government program should spend a dollar without an accountability system setup." "DISAGREE!!!"

[@danny_dan92]

I’m in the military and can honestly say that even service members get taxed as well. What this all shows is that these government officials are honestly pocketing a good percentage of this money from taxes. Because how can you have politicians making a 6 figure income and have a multi million dollar net worth… something is wrong

[@aaronqueen55]

You’re paid with taxed dollars so you can’t be taxed.

[@ModeratelyAmused]

They aren't directly pocketing tax dollars. They never see the actual tax dollars. What they do, is accept gifts from special interest. They make investments ahead of time in areas they plan to pass a bill on to spend on "improvements and infrastructure." The military you were in, is their biggest cash cow. Kickbacks from military contractors as we start or join wars we have no business being in. Then kickbacks from building contractors that get hired to build the places back up.

[@Milkweed999]

Fuck the feds bro . Thank you for your service 🫡

[@AngryVet44]

It’s called legalized bribery. Bribery isn’t even allowed in the business world. But it’s been made legal by billionaire who buy and sell our politicians. Legitimized by citizens United and Buckley Vs valleo and two other cases all pushed by libertarian billionaires that’s why our politicians are filthy rich. They rationalize being allowed to invest in the stock market while basically insider trading because they are… capitalists and this is what capitalists do.

[@chesterg.791]

If your income is from being in the military, you actually pay no taxes. You can't contribute to the tax pool if your income is derived entirely from taxes.

[@cornbread4everyone555]

David laughing at all his hypotheticals lol. These guys are actually hilarious together they could do a podcast where they just argue

[@SeeHang]

idk it sounded pretty lame to me to constantly deal with trying to understand the same vocabulary

[@fans.of.djjo5]

Bad faith hypotheticals. David is too smart for this guy.

[@v.v3829]

Pakman wasent laughing at anything, he is still the one being laughed at. He was literally asking Patrick to repeat & define every mundane aspect of every questions and/or hypothetical. This is the quickest way to ID a Pseudo-Intellectual clown from a real Thinker. The pseudo-wanna be- intellectuals will keep repeating simple mundane questions back at someone who is asking them a straightforward question or asking an opinion on a hypothetical. They do this to appear like they are so much smarter than the other guy, they were able to even find holes in his questions that rendered them unanswerable. This is usually accomplished by acting like every question posed to them is incomplete or incapable of a proper straightforward answer. This way he never has to admit he lost a debate, when he can just keep saying “the question or hypothetical wasn’t properly defined”. Your either too dumb to notice the obvious , or too tribal to admit it.

[@cameronthomas4392]

No this guest is a moron and is a danger to American society. He says that debt is not a problem, yet hundreds of studies and highly intelligent people have admitted that millennials and gen z will live lower quality lives than their parents. This is a result of debt. We have more available goods and services than our parents, yet we are more poor. This is 100% due to massive government enslavement and waste.

[@tracksmanbeats1467]

@@fans.of.djjo5 no he’s not he is just using avoidance tactics

[@coachez]

This is why we're part of the State not the Government. We created the Government to work for us. That's the problem

[@brandonburns5365]

This guy is proof of how little degrees mean.

[@tacobell7541]

And proof that you may know high level vocabulary but actually say a whole lot of nothing and talk in circles . Funny how he says he got deprogrammed at these institutions but actually the opposite

[@Truth15freedom]

He says you don't cut to prosperity. Jefferson cut and the economy grew, Jackson cut and ended the nation's central bank and paid off all the debt rather quickly; Grant cut after the Civil War, and economy grew, Harding slashed during a recession and we got the roaring 20s, after WW2 spending dropped dramatically and a golden age followed, etc.

[@natebreivik6607]

PBD completely understands David. David has never considered any other side.

[@Davo198]

😂

[@KZSoze]

Was PBD screaming at Trump for taking national debt into the stratosphere a few years ago?

[@leoboo]

Patrick asked some of the most bizarre questions to justify why we shouldn't pay taxes. If you agreed with a 1/4 of what he said, go pay $300k on your kid's private schooling.

[@Orchaisama]

No because trump didn't do that. Definitely no where near as Joe biden or Obama

[@docvaliant721]

@@leoboohomeschooling

[@nimaakhtarkhavari8766]

This guy is unbearable, he knows exactly what Patrick is asking but he keeps saying, "What do you mean by that?"

[@triplecheesemac]

Yep. It is so frustrating to listen to

[@zinj2618]

He's the male Cathy Newman

[@Rationalreason777]

PBD has no idea how to articulate his own economic philosophy. He's not bright and was unable to mount a defense vs someone who knows econ.

[@USNRep]

Why should an individual "mount a defense" against an individual that refuses to lose an argument? 1+1=2 "What do you mean by that?" If Sally had 1 apple and... "That has nothing do with this, I don't understand."

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

​@Rationalreason777 if ge knows econ he wouldn't be a progressive

[@lazloryder]

You don’t get to decide where your tax dollar goes, that’s the point. That’s why we don’t like paying taxes.

[@jmac-rz6zc]

Pakman is a level 9000 question dodging wizard.

[@Bc232klm]

He's responding to loaded and dishonest framing of questions. It takes far longer to dismantle that kind of misinformation that he's allowed time to respond.

[@kenndavid7172]

@C3s209 how about he just answer the question in the most clear cut and consice way, heck, he can answer it in different ways just to target what Patrick is asking

[@latetotheparty5156]

​@@Bc232klm Dodging questions and pointing out that the questions have false presuppositions are two entirely different things.

[@pillznarRy]

@@Bc232klm we know you think that. because ur just as dishonest a person as David is. ur foundation is a lie. so everything you present is just that, a lie.

[@mattbrown292]

@@Bc232klm could you give a specific example?

[@Hellowakeup]

Just found this channel… sad it’s taken so long. I’ve really enjoyed it and haven’t stopped listening to the multitude I’ve missed. Great conversation.

[@daMillenialTrucker]

I've been following PDB for a few years and it's incredible to see how much of evolving he has done with his show, this is literally the Joe Rogan podcast of political and socioeconomical affairs. I've learned so much from this podcast 😂

[@Babakanian]

Patrik thinks a government works the same way as a company, as if a company has the power to print money.

[@cooldrop02]

I think that is precisely the point where David pakman knew exactly who he was talking to and kind of just started spitballing. Because that's something that anybody with basic knowledge on how the American economy works would simply off their heads and then that's where the conversation would continue

[@travp959]

Its not healthy to repeat lies over and over. The devil continues to make his presence known

[@schmidlkofer0319]

This conversation is so unnecessarily stressful. I do appreciate how cool Pat remains. He is much better under stress than the douche.

[@PickleRicC89]

This was an incredibly civil conversation. It's sad you don't understand logic. Pat misunderstanding and misrepresenting David's point with, "So you're saying...." David kindly corrected him. Calling David a douche actually makes you a douche lol.

[@leeroycastillo2912]

Ric No patrick had alot of patience with this guy. He is a big douche lol. Plus he's Jewish so he is really skilled in arguing just for the sake of arguing to get under people's skin. Thank God patrick is also versed In word and emotional warfare to articulate himself without getting angry. Regular ppl dont understand the importance of articulating your self when up against ppl like this guy who do this for a living 🙏

[@PickleRicC89]

@@leeroycastillo2912 found the Nazi! Lol what does him being Jewish have anything to do with his ability to articulate a good argument? I'm sorry your parents were brother and sister and you married your cousin Leeroy, but Jews are not the reason you have an IQ below room temperature.

[@Jake-Day]

Pat was losing his cool earlier in the episode.

[@ricky1998]

what? Pat lost his cool multiple times. You sure you commenting on the right video?

[@therealkpeworldwide]

Pat NEVER answers a question. He avoids it.

[@sunkillsmoon]

Lmfao you mean Pakman never answers questions right??

[@JohnGrove310]

​@@sunkillsmoon You are as dense as Patrick

[@bplayerr1]

@@sunkillsmoon all David did was try to answer quesrions but PBD kept moving all over the place and interrupting.

[@jasonauchmuty1617]

Lol you're delusional

[@jamesblatchford3738]

He didn’t know what else to do. Pakman was having his way with him. Embarrassing.