The Vital Importance of Religion In Society

Patrick Bet-David Podcast Episode 146. In this short clip, David Berlinski discusses the problem secularism has on society.
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[@esmevandermewe6106]

History shows when you reject Almighty God things go down hill. Proof is undeniable!!!!

[@codybarrier6295]

Amen

[@KD400_]

I have to agree esme I hope u and ur family r good

[@colindooley4422]

Because no one has killed in the name of religion. Even hitler had god on our side of every German soldier beltbuckle.

[@magicmark8315]

@@colindooley4422 anybody can claim God. The proof is in the fruit. If they're committing some terrible act, you can be sure it wasn't inspired by God, the person is probably mentally ill instead.

[@MaxPower-zw7go]

Nice try but no. History shows when you force religion on to ppl you get a destructive society and retaliation. You cannot get ppl to follow a evil morality in this fictional god character and expect a peaceful world. If there was a “just” god ,he would allow ppl into this heaven who are good for the sake of being good without a god. rather then being good because they fear a god.

[@Mapdotnowhere]

Morality and family structure are good things

[@JakeWitmer]

Yes, they are. ...But they have little to do with religion (unless that's the best someone can do).

[@isoryte201]

Perfectly put. Religion is manipulative, exploitative, divisive and destructive. Morality is universal, religion is not.

[@trollpolice]

@@JakeWitmer The modern family (Father, Mother, Children love and respect the monogamous marriage) is a christian construct.

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

@@JakeWitmer Nearly every function of society has some sort of connection or origin to religion. The reason for most of society's social issues today can easily be traced back to the fact that they are trying to live without faith in a world that was built on it.

[@jaycol21]

@@trollpolice No, it absolutely is not. At least according to the examples in the Bible, marriage is one man and as many women as he can afford.

[@josflorida5346]

I'm not even religious and I know religion is an important part of society

[@jaycol21]

I’m not religious either…and no, it’s not.

[@redlifewarrior]

@@jaycol21 Prove your theory.

[@jaycol21]

@@redlifewarrior What’s to prove? Religion offers an extremely flawed, unremarkable moral system and demands subservience in return. I don’t know about you, but I don’t need the lord (pick one) to tell me not to kill anyone or steal their stuff. On top of that, at least where I’m at, the religious cherry-pick the “rules” that they demand we all follow anyway.

[@josflorida5346]

@@jaycol21 my whole family is religious and Christian. My wife is Wiccan. Not a single one of then are making rules I need to follow. Your just talking about the worst kind of them and holding that above everyone. I've met enough atheist people that have horrible moral compasses and demand that people follow their rules. You sound like someone with prejudice. Some people need something to believe in and the pursuit of life and its meaning is a right we all have. That is the true importance of religion in my opinion. If religion is banned your not free

[@josflorida5346]

@@jaycol21 there's nothing wrong with you not believing in religion but I'm talking about the importance of what it means to people. At the end of the day every group has bad eggs. Try to be more open minded. We are sharing the world

[@sergeantwarden471]

Patrick you are a patient man. This gentleman had nothing at all to offer anyone. I think I'll pass on any book he writes. No I think I'll pass on any book he has ever read.

[@yoesefgeorgis2893]

Thank you Patrick for bring up This subject so people who are following This channel can share their vieuws and thoughts on how they view the rol of religion in their daily lives.

[@GuitarDeuce]

Who is YOUR God??? …Zeus? Hades? Apollo? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra? Muhammad? Jesus of Nazareth? … Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities. So, who is right and who is wrong. That’s usually where “religious people” become offended and become close-minded and intolerant. Religion has been the very impetus that has resulted in countless wars amongst humans. Humans whom are ultimately all related to each other.

[@TheKandidKate]

I love your comment most of all. From a spiritual person who loves God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

[@TheKandidKate]

:)

[@STaRBG4405]

It is vitaly important that religion is REMOVED from society.

[@Passivepotato]

yes Sir TSniperHD we need to listen to you because you are right :'D

[@magicmark8315]

It has been for quite a while now, unless you want to get rid of religious people.

[@tombfire6281]

If you want your society to head for extinction, then yeah, REMOVE religion from your society

[@blazenlights]

Masterful how you got him to talk. He is very wise and wisdom is only comfortable around others who respect it and do not use it for gain or exposé. His pointing to the early 1800s is exactly right, that is the center point of peak of humanity. From there we began to rethink everything that came before us and to set in place new everything, philosophy, governing, work, science, environment, etc... The rise of humanism and the beginning of our human dominance of everything. We became the gods.

[@larsfuchs2338]

God is good and America 🇺🇸 is gods land ! We need a strong America 🇺🇸. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪

[@tombfire6281]

America won't survive without Christianity, society's doing down in a handbag.

[@khaledaldekaer8459]

It's Satan land, what the hell you talking about

[@nathancarranza9860]

There are things I don’t understand about the Bible, but I’ve learned to use that as a queue to study, rather than assume that something is wrong (which is the easy way out). Evolution simply does not make sense; even when you ask scientists what came before the Big Bang, they literally say, ‘we don’t know, but it could’ve been another Big Bang from another universe that probably had its own Big Bang’. The Bible, Christianity, and God make all the sense in the world and I’ve found that throughout my life, a biblical worldview is the ONLY thing that has stood the test of time. Again, I don’t understand everything, but we also fail to understand that God chose to only reveal some things to us and has chosen to not reveal certain things as well.

[@clementkong8133]

@10:41 Interesting. Berlinski cites the beginning of the secularization & decline of western judeo-Christian society to as far back as the French Revolution. That means the secularization & decline is as old as America itself (for the French had their revolution because they helped us defeat the british, and we didn’t pay them back, so that bankrupted them) and is something we’ve indeed imported from the europeans; including Soviet Russia if we listen to Yuri Bezmenov’s lecture on subversion.

[@peterbiltx5000]

I love this man .. this Iranian man .. he talks so good he's so smart. It'll make your head spin

[@paulhart7739]

Iranian and Armenian by blood. But American in principle

[@TheRichie213]

Religion works for some people. Me personally, I don't need a God or bible to be a good person. I am who I am.

[@christopherhorn1161]

It took this dude 7 fricken minutes to answer a question...

[@bigpap90]

Not having a belief and fear about eternal consequences can definitely create issues. Could be one of many reasons for our mass shooting problems.

[@tbirdddd5818]

I keep seeing this argument and I only have one rebuttal. If you REQUIRE the temptation of eternal hell to be a good person… are you actually a good person? Probably not. Hell or heaven or nothing I’m doing my best to be a good person and MOST religious people forget that step. Lmao.

[@bigpap90]

@@tbirdddd5818 most people aren’t committing mass shootings. For the small fraction of people considering this tragedy, does an eternal punishment scare them from committing such a horrible crime. There would have to be research on who committed mass shootings who were considered atheist vs agnostic

[@tbirdddd5818]

@@bigpap90 I think this is what happens when the youth constantly sees violence and don’t ever see the consequences has a follow up, furthermore, it’s the same with school and home life for most people these days, lack of consequence in general will cause brash behavior

[@tbirdddd5818]

@@bigpap90 society has a whole also allows and incredible amount of people to have the ability to survive (meet food, water, and shelter needs) without actually producing any goods (politicians, many media influencers and athletes..) like I’m not saying these things don’t have a place in society but when the whole of society doesn’t believe in consequences (be them eternal or not, I didn’t need hell to fear my parents giving me the belt) nor do they believe that in order to succeed you need to produce a GOOD. Which leads to man feeling unfulfilled and idle. I think religion can fill these spaces for sure, but it isn’t NECESSARY, nor does it always produce great results.

[@KD400_]

All those school shooters r mainly from single parent homes

[@mariaweihert8667]

The vital importance of God is important. Change is coming according to the prophets. Check out Julie Green.

[@crashbandicooch2786]

the fact PBD couldnt name the 5 fundamental figures of government says alot

[@dalia5357]

What are they!!

[@crashbandicooch2786]

@@dalia5357 I don’t host a political talk show bro

[@crashbandicooch2786]

But if I were to say I’d say Judicial,health,federal reserve,legislative,military

[@BIGGOODBOY]

Pats question was 6 minutes long 🤣🤣 that’s when you really know Pat is interested in something

[@Simon-nv5zj]

Yes religion can provide a positive framework as to how to live your life. But…is the framework effective because a god or a religion tells you to, OR because it simply works in reality? I was raised in an atheist family and had a great upbringing and framework to now, I’d like to think the information that was taught to me works, without there being a need at all for a ‘god’.

[@AngelinaB20]

It’s not OR…God instructed us and gave a framework, and it works. You may have been raised in an atheist household, but the society as a whole was founded on the principles of Christianity and Jesus Christ. Your family may deny the existence of God, but whether you know it or not, you behave and act out your life as though there is a God. The basic framework of our society and its principles based on individual sovereignty, liberty, and freedom go well beyond your family’s personal beliefs in the God who made it possible.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@AngelinaB20 ah here we go, another person telling me that a god is in my life even though I dont believe in one. You need some new material.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@AngelinaB20 and which society are you talking about? Buddhism shits all over Christianity in terms of moral teachings etc. Oh and individual sovereignty and freedom do not align with ( im guessing here) your Christian beliefs. Perhaps you could offer an explanation as to why the countries who perform the best in education, social wellness, crime rates etc are by far atheistic countries?

[@AngelinaB20]

@@Simon-nv5zj I didn’t say God is in your life, I said you act as though God exists.

[@Simon-nv5zj]

@@AngelinaB20 Oh do I? please explain, since you or I have no verifiable evidence for a god existing.

[@rickhall8119]

You need to get William Lane Craig on the show!

[@leonardwitucke1]

As someone who was raised religious and eventaully went aitheist and now accepts the fact I dont know, I see the imporatnce of installing morals and values.

[@OrderOfTheDragan1429]

The Vital importance of Yuri Bezmenov is more important than anything to wake people up, to what’s going on in the USA.

[@calderon2091]

No one should follow religion… religion can and has been used for terrible things… it’s done good as well but religion is not the answer. Follow Christ Jesus, The Lord The Savior of all humanity who accepts Him. Christ Jesus unlike religion is incorruptible. Jesus Christ is The way, the truth, the life.

[@joka5345]

Haha people can't think for themselves. Thank God for religion

[@TheKandidKate]

Profoundly stated!

[@eppsislike]

Ultimately Islam will become the most dominant religion, because it's the only religion that doesn't succumb to societies standards. Many disagree with it and want Islam to change to what the people. Islam doesn't budge one bit. Yet its followers grow tenfold every day. What does Islam teaches us about the people of Lot, the Muslims of the Andalucia, the Romans etc? - they forgot God. When a society forgets God it will be met with severe chastisement. What about a society that out right denies God and seeks to replace him with another diety, like the Jews did with Golden Calph to Moses? We're warned.

[@TheKandidKate]

There is definitely a repetitive pattern taught in all the religious Books.

[@hecklerkoch2446]

I can't "thumbs up" this video because of censorship. I keep hitting the like button and it won't register. Censorship on YT is just as bad as Twitter.

[@italiancapo7]

Who is this guy?

[@chriskey7440]

Why do people need religion, to know right from wrong? It doesn't take being a religious nut to know not to steal or unjustly harm others. Imo some people in the US don't fear the consequences anymore.

[@Shaukahn]

This guy answers no questions lol

[@OGTelos]

Just like there are physiological transformations and adaptations as a result of a response to environmental factors, there are also mental transformations and adaptations that have served us in order to survive and thrive over large expanses of time and at the pinnacle of mental evolution is the idea of a diety and morality that best suits the individual and collective simultaneously. No idea is perfect but these memes and archetypes are in a sense “true enough”. It’s baffling to me to witness the arrogance people have by claiming no God and no need for religion. Don’t kid yourself. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and for one to simply say he/she is “woke” and can divorce oneself from the groundwork our ancestors laid down for us is a display of arrogance I can’t even begin to fathom. I’m not even a Christian by practice but being born in the states constitutes some form of religiosity. It’s the foundation and bedrock of this nation and many nations across the world (religion). It’s not whether I believe in God or not. My actions indicate a belief in something bigger than me. I can SAY I don’t believe but I ACT as if I do and what better way to display belief than how one acts? Read these religious treatices. Don’t become dogmatic of course, but see the strong values for what they are. These stories give you the keys to a meaningful life. Not happiness. But meaning. That’s way more important than trivial happiness that evaporates once a tragedy or chaos ensues.

[@AndersLiljeblad]

No God and no need for religion, silly. The statistics prove it -- secular countries are far better off. Ask your founding fathers - I'm pretty sure they had a word or two to say about religion. Also, it's the Age of Enlightenment that your country is founded upon, not Judeo-Christian "values"/"ethics" rofl. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[@tombfire6281]

@@AndersLiljeblad Yeah, it (God and religion) is silly for those who are heading for destruction. Secularism may good for helping advance technology and science, but not good for governing a society, families, and morality; by the way Romania and Poland are more safer than secular France and England. The Age of Enlightenment came from Christian (Catholic) Europe, there's a reason why Christians are able to practice their religion so easily with no restrictions unlike Muslims and Hindus. And can you show me when the Federal government taught secularism built America before the 60s? Coz secularism is a new thing in America life.

[@OGTelos]

​@@AndersLiljeblad So cute. I remember being young and arrogant. You’re clearly cognitively inept. Your comment displays a clear void in your understanding of the founding of America and what The Enlightenment was about. What statistics? Calling me silly yet what is silly is you claiming that the ‘statistics prove it’ yet you can’t provide me a link for this erroneous claim. What countries are secular nowadays? I know some that were secular in the 20th century and they had close to a hundred million corpses (China, Cambodia, the Soviet Union). North Korea is secular. But I assume you aren’t referring to them because they don’t fit into your worldview of great secular countries lmao. Sorry, but no. America was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics. Hence why they put the individual over the collective. That’s not an Enlightenment claim either. It’s a theological claim. Man and woman were made in the image of God. That’s the basis for our adversarial system as it pertains to the rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty. The Quakers were Christians fundamentally. They were also at the forefront for the abolition of slavery. America was and still is a very religious country. You have no idea what you’re claiming. Science has it’s place but you are beyond idiotic if you think you can live your life following moral principles and still claim no belief in a deity. As if it doesn’t undergird you and you can divorce yourself from the religious concentric rings that keep you grounded in whatever polity you participate in. I could care less about what arrogant response you TYPE on your keyboard. You ACT as if you believe whether you like it or not. That is belief. No need for religion huh? What about values? Because last time I checked, science can only tell you that the world is made of matter but not WHAT matters. There’s a difference. VALUES. Not just facts. So keep your shallow and pathetic responses at bay because it’s clear you have no idea what you are talking about. Such idiocy in your response. Nothing but bloviating. It’s sad and shameful. I hope those around you aren’t as naive and willfully blind. I understand science has it’s saliency but you atheist types don’t study enough about religion to make the claims you do and it’s sad. It’s obvious you don’t take this stuff seriously. I don’t blame you. It’s not easy and chances are you don’t possess the brain capacity to do so.

[@OGTelos]

@@AndersLiljeblad Research pending…lmao

[@dalia5357]

I love God Amighty!! Jesus Christ is the only way to get into heaven!! ✝️

[@nicporter7263]

Nothing wrong with religion divorced from dogma Atheists assume they are one in the same Side note, whenever I ask atheists how atheism has improved the world the get upset and I get no answer...

[@tombfire6281]

The French Revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao's Communist China, are great examples of what happens when Atheism dominates a society, doesn't look good does it.

[@TheKandidKate]

I am not a fan of Dogma for sure. When a religion/church pushes their Dogma on me, I buckle up and bust out of it. I love God, JESUS and the Holy Spirit. They have guided and helped me more times than I can count.

[@gs225109]

MORE!!!!!

[@agcm78]

Mr. Patrick you should run for office one day.

[@brightelskerfoundation]

😊 thanks 😊

[@aliwhallak]

This man took 8 minutes to say nothing

[@willlazenby1050]

I wonder if Patrick actually believes in God.

[@nimaakhtarkhavari8766]

He always wears a cross...

[@TheKandidKate]

I know Patrick does believe in God.

[@khaledaldekaer8459]

He actually said he is an agnostic

[@dalia5357]

I don’t think he does believe in God!! What a shame!!

[@willlazenby1050]

@@dalia5357 Good for him, he escaped the Matrix lol.

[@angeloterrones9789]

I was just thinking about this today. Let’s say for sakes argument you don’t belcienin god or god Does not exist. Look around today religion is gone nobody goes to church anymore. Nobody bellies in consequences anymore. Look what the world looks like now with out for in it. We fell apart fast.

[@tombfire6281]

Facts man

[@dustintobler9840]

If you believe in God. Your cognitive ability to rational think is off.

[@tombfire6281]

So, Francis Bacon, Galileo, Capernicous, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein weren't rational??? I swear the nonsense Atheist say sometimes 🤦🏾‍♂

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

Does this include Islam ☪️?

[@Ebani]

Idk Rick...

[@scottsimon769]

Last 🤬

[@siji3750]

this is such a dull take

[@Kick_Clippy]

$2:00

[@BIGGOODBOY]

I wonder what Mr. Berlinski’s pronouns are

[@craigwhite3069]

Get Sadhguru on the podcast seriously