Valve Index vs Bigscreen Beyond... Which is BETTER For You?

[@legitcrack6438]

Ive got an index with v1 basestations and think psvr2 will replace it. So far the only thing that stops me is 120hz only with my radeon. No way ill spend £1350 on a headset only but i like the direction they went with, as small and light as possible.

[@stymics]

Great review! I sadly returned my beyond due to the small sweet spot and blurry edge to edge clarity. I was disappointed having to keep my eyes straight all the time. The Beyond showed me why OLED needs to become the norm for VR hmd's though. I'll be sticking to my index for now.

[@MartydudeVR]

Index is sooo good man!

[@dtz1000]

PSVR2 for the win.

[@guesswho2778]

@@dtz1000 the sweet spot on the psvr2 is also quite small. ill stick to my quest 1 thanks. (ive used a quest 1, 3 and psvr2)

[@decent_cheesecake]

did you get your money back? and how easy was it to return it

[@stymics]

@@decent_cheesecake They give you a 14 day window once you receive it to refund the headset. Once its shipped they take a 20% restock fee if you decide to refund, but if you cancel before you get the hmd its 100% refund. Kinda sucks, the audio strap is 100% refund but the prescription lenses don't. If you just wanna try it im not sure if its worth the hassle and money even with the tempting oled and resolution. Their discord is best way to contact them they respond quite fast

[@TRVladdy]

The Beyond is honestly terrible. No wonder the return rates are less than 1% when the support tries their best to make you keep it until you can't send it back. No doubt some people love the Beyond, but it seems like a 50% split between people. I myself returned to the index and am never going back.

[@stymics]

@@TRVladdy valve 4 lyfe

[@jaybratt]

1:00 it's so small it almost looks TOO small to all us VR heads 😂

[@MartydudeVR]

Right! Its so crazy

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Always remember that the people that are having issues are always the loudest. The people not having issues? They're out enjoying the headset!

[@KuyaQuatro]

the heavy part where you folded from the index's weight had me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MartydudeVR]

LMAO glad you liked that part because I almost cooked my leg 😂

[@DiamondDepthYT]

Wish I could afford these. They're amazing. I'm just here with my Quest 2, OG Vive, and Rift CV1. Quest 2 has aged very well tbh.

[@SoggyMicrowaveNugget]

Hey guys, just in case you're typing a "No! my headsets the best cuz I like it!" Thats your opinion, Not an objective fact. You know what is and objective fact? That every Headset has a good use case for Someone out there and whether its for you or not being a child about it helps nothing.

[@TimLongson]

Great video. I have at RTX4090 top end PC but I'm waiting for a new VR headset with specs of the bigscreen beyond (BSB) BUT with AT LEAST 120 degrees field of view (ideally 180) AND 120hz refresh (ideally 144) at full resolution without requiring any upscaling - i dont mind if its a bit heavier. I'm guessing from what you said that the BSB will have full support for use with next generation VR gloves that give precise finger tracking and full haptic feedback feeling, so you could touch and interact with objects in VR?

[@secondsonofswan9083]

Got the beyond and absolutely love it. I think the big thing alot of people need to understand is that it's a custom product. Just like a custom tailored suit, it's just not gonna feel right or look right till you get the right fit. But once you get the beyond dialed in, whether first try or with their support, it's absolutely insane.

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

Hey Marty, I got my vive The second week it was out. My total cost for VR and the PC to run it was $1,328 For the HMD and new MB CPU GPU. That does not count the $900 for my sim racing rig, then $400 for my flight system, and $75 for my motorcycle handlebars. I am a VR nut. Though I do ride my GSXR all over. That VR system is pushing 6500 hours of use. I love driving, flying, fighting and so on with no real-world repercussions. Your mind opens up sometimes in ways you can't imagine otherwise.

[@MartydudeVR]

@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 Whew! You definitely have fun man! Love hearing about other people's setups

[@paulbellino5330]

I Like the bigscreen beyonds specs but the field of view seem a bit small

[@MartydudeVR]

@paulbellino5330 get the smaller face gasket and it helps ALOT

[@paulbellino5330]

@@MartydudeVR I have also been looking at the opposite of this headset. The pimax Crystal Light. I do flight Sims as well.

[@DoubleDownDBo]

Good video. I think I'll stick with my pico 4 though.

[@SargonDragon]

Bigscreen claims that the return rate for the Beyond is less than 1%. People who return the Beyond often make _a lot_ of noise about it, and this can make it seem like there's a lot more customer dissatisfaction with this headset than there really is.

[@toututu2993]

I had been fooled by corporation companies about the fake percentage rate. Would I ever trust them again? Screw it NOOOOO!!!

[@SargonDragon]

@@toututu2993 I get that. However, I've been running into more and more people on VRChat that run or have run Bigscreen Beyonds. And my anecdotal experiences match what these numbers say. Almost everyone I meet that has actually owned a Beyond loves it and has had very little trouble with it. Just a couple of people that I've met have had a bad experience with the Beyond, but they shit talk it so heavily that many other people I've talked to stay away from the Beyond because they've heard that lots of people had problems with it. When I dig into it, I keeping finding that this "lots of people" consistently tracks back to just the same two people.

[@mosulmedic7048]

@@SargonDragon This is coping. You don't have to look hard to find negative reviews about the beyond. Im sure around 1% sends their headset back in. Most, like myself, likely just keep trying to figure out how to enjoy their $1000 headset. Even in the discord, most of the first impressions are not great and echo all of the issues

[@GettingThingsDun]

Great review fam 🎉

[@MartydudeVR]

Preciate you my guy!

[@jaybratt]

I know you!!

[@Haze_xyz]

A quick question, on the bigscreen beyond can you use quest pro controllers?

[@7491_]

don't think so

[@MartydudeVR]

@@Haze_xyz No pro controllers with this one

[@joedidsee]

Great video I don't own any of the two vr headsets but I can see the Bigscreen Beyond being the best option for those long play sessions. But maaaaaaaaaaan listen if Valve makes a smaller version of the index its gonna be a problem.

[@MartydudeVR]

@joedidsee1184 MANNN. People been begging for the Deckard

[@mosulmedic7048]

@@joedidsee It's honestly awful for long play sessions and the only VR headset I have ever owned that has made me switch to flat screen gaming to " take a break"

[@zig131]

Surely the Somnium VR1 should be in contention here?

[@fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu9577]

I'm like two steps away from getting into VR. I just can't decide. Valve index is old but the controllers and tracking are still praised as the best/one of the best you can have by many. As is the sound. The 'only' thing that's actually outdatet are the optics of the headset. I think I will actually get the index and upgrade the headset to something else in a few months(disposable income be praised). Pimax cystal light +lighthouseplate seems like a nice option for that...but maybe there will be other options by then. With my luck valve will release their new set 2 weeks after I get my index:D

[@a5cent]

Don't think the Index's tracking is the best. Well, it is, but it's because it uses the lighthouse boxes. Many headsets can work with them, and they are then all identically accurate.

[@DiamondDepthYT]

I agree with the guy above me. Index controllers/base stations are what make the tracking, and they can be used with other headsets.

[@dave_the_spaghet4563]

W video good pacing both headsets seem worth it if you got the money

[@MartydudeVR]

Thanks!

[@picoshmit6547]

as a sleeper in vrc the beyon is a no brainer

[@swishasweetrold]

touch some grass nga

[@MartydudeVR]

@@picoshmit6547 YOU SLEEP in your headset!? I've never thought of doing that! VRChatters really are the true VR gamers 😂 Respect

[@picoshmit6547]

​@@MartydudeVRyeah i been sleeping 90% of the days in vr since may, its hard for me to sleep without it now

[@unknown338]

Good video

[@MartydudeVR]

Thanks!

[@robinorg1]

Pimax crystal light has 10x better screen

[@Untrillistic]

W vid

[@AlexFox2040]

The quest pro replaced both of them for me.

[@MartydudeVR]

Quest Pro is MAD underrated.

[@ericdraven7185]

The cheaper quest 3S is better than the quest pro... its so good they don't even sell it anymore.

[@Lyricaldeamin]

I moved n had less space i got vive ultimate trackers and quest 3 for pc vr i had index but after base stations broke I started to use q3 n tracker’s which both required no base stations n the fbt is amazing quality identical to 3.0s it really depends on the user which headset they prefer. One man’s treasure is another mans trash

[@toututu2993]

Don't forget you need an Iphone that can scan your face as requirement 💀

[@MartydudeVR]

I ALWAYS FORGET TO ADD THIS POINT! 😭 FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[@mosulmedic7048]

The beyond sucks. It's probably the worst headset I have ever owned. The index is hands-down still the king

[@justwatching2302]

Quest pro

[@Thezuule1]

Index is just too old these days. Most people would be better off using a Q3 for half the cost.

[@antjones2281]

Nah, the PSVR2 by a mile

[@ShallowDepression]

Neither.

[@roluplay4359]

PSVR2? good joke 😂😂😂😂

[@ivantytarenko7457]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@loganhumphries4851]

Ngl psvr2 lenses beat beyonds. May be lower res than beyond and has mura but fov is index like and the glare is SIGNIFIGANTLY better in the psvr2. Just my personal opinion that glare ruins oleds.

[@ITS_N00DLZ]

yeah, i think you forgot about the games variety, cool for you, you get a good vr headset, but you can't really use it...

[@__-fi6xg]

the answer is none of them, too expensive, people dont buy into vr, vr games dont make money. Its too niche because too expensive and too much work to set up.

[@MartydudeVR]

@__-fi6xg ... Just say you're not into PCVR 😂 Sheesh

[@__-fi6xg]

@@MartydudeVR i am, but i also look at steam statistics and most vr games on steam at least, do really bad, like seriously bad in whole lifetime of the game. Heck im still convinced that modding normal games into vr is the way to go because of how little money vr games make.