How to Fill Drywall Around Tub Flange!

[@tonycatalano4338]

I’ve been doing small renovation projects for the last 15 years…drywall used to be the one job I hated the most. Through watching you, it is now one of the most satisfying.

[@Iamthathillbilly]

I dont know why I watch these, I know how to finish drywall and got out of construction almost 3 years ago, but something about your videos like this is just entertaining. Your attention to detail is always par none too 👌

[@vancouvercarpenter]

Thank you 🙏

[@scrivens100]

I've been watching for over a year and it's just dawned on me who you remind me of. Bob Ross. Thank you for the great videos and excellent teaching skills

[@vancouvercarpenter]

You’re not the first to say it :)

[@juliom6260]

Must see him skating or doing reviews on shoes. Exactally the same 😂😂😂

[@f.demascio1857]

"Feather the edge" = "Happy little trees"

[@deanwilson7047]

hahahaahahahahaha..........yup........eggsackly..........thats awesome

[@BobBrittonBespoke]

I've been following a plumber that does a ton of these installs and I've never seen a good way to finish these... THANK YOU!!!

[@BZ1340]

I was using tear away bead at the flange bottom of the tub surround.

[@MattyH907]

Agree totally! Just installed 2 in a cabin and will 100% be going back to redo the flanges this way!

[@T.fellaman]

Probably the only way to do it

[@drumrboynoid]

@@BZ1340 that tear away bead is hard to find. And when you do find it, it’s usually in a box of 50 something, which is way more than you need.

[@BZ1340]

@ all the local suppliers we deal with have it by the piece and 2 out of 3 DIY stores also stock it. HDepot is the only one that doesn’t.

[@TEF1701]

Awesome video! It’s about time somebody talks about the dreaded shower to drywall transition. Trim Tex makes a tear away shower bead that works really well also. It’s like a regular tear away bead but with a much wider tape flange to bridge those gaps. You still have to prefill, but when it’s finished it gives you a nice edge to caulk to. We like them because those tub surrounds flex enough that hairline cracks can form if it’s just drywall mud.

[@-agent-47-80]

I use Trim Tex too... ☺️

[@marcellemay7721]

I've been a carpenter for over 40 yrs now. Most of it has been in remodeling interspersed with new construction. I've always done my own drywall finishing if it's like one room or less. Most of my work has been kitchens and bathrooms over the last 20 yrs. There's always some patching of drywall to do in those types of jobs where you have to blend in old with new. The glue trick for better adhesion to painted surfaces is one of the tricks that I learned on your channel. Although I've never really had any call backs for adhesion problems, when I didn't use the glue trick, it never hurts to take that little extra assurance. Hot mud is your friend when doing small repair jobs. It really helps to speed up the job so you can get in and out of there and not have to come back to finish the job. Just a note to newbies. I always use a paintable caulk along the that tub edge so that we can get a nice paint edge. Some people make the mistake of using a silicone tub and tile caulk in that area, and then they can't get the paint to stick.

[@racesar77]

Thank you for leaving things in like when you accidentally drop a bit of mud on the floor. Hate when other videos make it look like nothing ever goes wrong. Seeing that a master is still human helps build confidence. Thanks for what you do!

[@michaeray2673]

Used your content on many projects, catching up on thanks.

[@jasoneson394]

Like a master's degree in drywall. Been watching you since the pandemic. Anytime I have a question you have a video for it. You've helped me 10 or 15 remodels by now. Thanks!

[@Dylan-bx7uh]

I used to work in a low income complex as a maintence man. I installed these tub surrounds and found the best method to finish them is with a thick pvc trim down the sides to the floor and around the top. All our old glue up surrounds went onto drywall and would always fail after the chaulking failed and moisture made its way behind the wall caused the drywall to crumble or glue to release preventing you from having a solid surround to reapply chaulking. The new direct to stud thick plastic tub surrounds solved alot of issues as some tenants wouldnt report their chaulking failing and the tub surround would be past repair. Being able to put plastic trim down past the tub to the floor would help all the water that somehow managed to make it past the curtain from sitting at the bottom of the drywall and causing mold and wicking back up.

[@within_cells]

Man your work is incredible. Amazing to watch a master at his craft

[@within_cells]

Also carpet in a bathroom is diabolical

[@vancouvercarpenter]

😂 it is but there was no carpet

[@Pete..]

you're the only KZbinr I watch for Drywall tips and tricks and know how . bravo a

[@jdshear01]

Love the thought behind this video - there are so many very specific scenarios when drywalling that really set off a particular job and separate the DIY'rs from the Pro's. This is certainly one of them. Boxing in, and finishing off a window is another job that may not be obviously done. Doors also have their challenges in old house renovations with unsquare framing with thicker than conventional walls. I did some research when I used Durock Cement backer board for tiling my tub surround, and then transitioning it over to the drywall...I ended up going with a Schluter systems trim (Rondec) and it ended up finishing nicely but there was the transition point between the drywall and cement backer board on the wall. I mudded and taped it as if it were a butt joint and it all turned out great...that might be a nice video to make too. This is def not a simple patch job which I can appreciate BUT you got to be able to fix every room and every scenario. I do have a question specific to houses that may contain lead paint, do you have any special primer to use that keeps the paint attached to the wall when mudding and paint over it? I tried repainting a utility closet and once the paint was wet, the layer underneath detached itself from the old 1950's drywall when it got wet and made a huge mess...I was so frustrated because my 'finished job' ended up a mess. It was my own utility closet and behind a water heater so it wasn't a big deal but had I been doing a whole room I would have been utterly defeated.

[@macpoddotnet]

Great vid. For removing drywall (and paint) on unpainted wood/other surfaces next to drywall I have had good success wetting a thin piece of cloth, pulling it tightly against a putty knife blade and sliding it left/right (opposite the motion you would normally move a putty knife) to clean it up. Keeps scratches at bay :)

[@alfred.3897]

Just started on a project that’s going to require this type of work toward the end stages. Appreciate the well-timed video, and all your other content too!

[@DIYMark-j8w]

Love the videos. They have been a huge help in fixing all the holes I put in my bathroom installing a ventilation fan. I doubt I will ever get proficient but I now have confidence that most of my mistakes will be minor enough to be corrected with sandpaper. You made a comment in one of your videos that joint knives had a curve to them. I really didn’t believe it but I decided to check it out. I have more of them than I should and when I checked them against a straight edge, behold… all of them were curved. Not only that, they were all curved with the belly on the same side of the knife as the branding on the handle! The things you learn.

[@nvlvdave]

Always a pleasure to watch one of your videos and to see your skills at work.

[@BenApperson]

Thanks for all the videos - really helpful! I'm dealing with a re-renovation because of a bad contractor job and we're low on money so I'm figuring out how to fix, redo, and finish a lot on my own - especially drywall. Your videos have answered questions and given tips I didnt know I needed.

[@Matt-my7pz]

Ben you did a really great explanation, many key points tgat trip a person up that hasn't done it before or even a few times. As always appreciate the way you analytically go about your work, the logic involved, rather than ramrod through. I try to do the same. Family friends and customers respond to that.

[@johnmcallaster]

I've learned so much watching your videos. I couldn't even find a good video like this one explaining in great deal of doing a shower surround. Thank you so much for sharing your craft

[@kennethwilliams7731]

A helpful hint I learned on my own. Before you prefill around the tub or shower,take a can of WD-40 and lightly spray directly onto the edge of the tub or shower. It dries fairly quickly and then go ahead and prefill the void. The WD-40 leaves a barrier on the surface that the compound doesn't bond to and after finishing is complete it's almost effortless to pop any rolled out or dry compound off of the tub. Without the WD-40 any compound that rolls out will adhere tightly to the fiberglass and is a real pain to scrape or chip off!

[@VwDaD1988]

dude you are the man! make me more confident and less stressed with wanting to do my own home repairs lol

[@krisschumacher7707]

Quick question, I’m skim coating my textured walls thanks to your videos. My walls are painted and have a bit of a sheen on them, do I need to prime them first? I already did one wall to test my mad skills and it turned out great! My prep was light sand, wash wall then skimmed it 2x’s , sanding between coats. I’m going to do my whole house just don’t want it falling off. I’m 60 years old 104 pound female- for your viewers, if I can do it you can do it. I have learned from his videos, good tools will make it so much easier. Thanks for your great KZbin channel.

[@JordanB9826]

My cousin and I just ran into this problem. Been watching you since I started really doing Drywall though. I was just a hangar though and now im getting into mudding and taping. Appreciate all the knowledge brotha. Hope all had been damn good as well.

[@jamesandrews8667]

Been waiting for you to do this video for 17 and a half years. Somehow I missed hearing you say feather your edge. Thanks Ben.

[@jamesalexander8368]

Here on the east coast we use a product called Durabond…there’s 20, 45, and 90. Which is dry time. It will harden underwater, so it’s perfect between tubs and drywall. Fibre tape is a must to bridge the two because it’s so much harder than drywall. Love your tips

[@BZ1340]

The ones I have been in lately. They drywalled over the tub flange. You can see the angled board…Plus the ones I looked at. All the mud/paint was peeling up 1/2 inch at that flange meet to the angled board. All a result of the moisture sitting on that ledge wicking away. All were siliconed too

[@peep39]

Yet another illustration with direct relevance to my house. Thanks!

[@JonnyDIY]

Great job Ben! 👏💕👍 When did you install corner bead on that section and what kind did you use? Have always wondered how this was done, havent had the pleasure of doing it yet

[@vancouvercarpenter]

I used a paper faced bead. Forgot to film it.

[@JonnyDIY]

@vancouvercarpenter thanks Ben🙌👍

[@-agent-47-80]

Came to comments about the same question 👍

[@heaveniscoolerthanfire1204]

I just recently primed and painted around a newly finished tub. This was cool to see. Thanks

[@WillLeingang]

You're an artist and a craftsman. Such a great video as usual!

[@vancouvercarpenter]

Thank you very much!

[@grantr5417]

Have one to do, has been in framing for a couple of years 😂. Have spent much too much time figuring a good solution. Thanks in advance. I'll watch the video now

[@heyb6268]

Never give up on this channel, your work is great!

[@jamest1157]

I'm a new subscriber, VC man. A young guy in construction who follows you told me to subscribe when he learned I'm working to buy the small house I'm currently renting. I have minimal experience but I'm a really good KZbin learner--and will be doing lots of drywalling. I'm 24 btw and hope to own my home soon. The house is run down but has good bones. It's in the country but has a basement with high ceilings for this house. I have my home gym there and a pull up bar that works. I'm 6'3" so happy for a good basement. But I hope to do lots of insulation in the basement and some moisture abatement. But lots of drywalling will be in my future.

[@joebinion1]

Love your videos, you have taught me so much about finishing drywall,GOD BLESS

[@jc_tha_sovereign]

TY! been looking for just this advice to no avail. Long time follower, now subscribed

[@lestalkmorebasss]

Around here (southeast US) I often see tub surrounds trimmed out with wood and it usually doesn’t look great. I wish they sold tear away bead and other specialized beads here but regular corner bead is all that’s available here…. Hot mud is such great stuff and I like using an egg beater mixer in a drill. Works well and fast enough to use it with 5 minute mud. Another good video ✌️

[@T.fellaman]

Some fools still trim out flange with wood on the west coast as well. Oh well, less work for me

[@richardkennedy9173]

Nice video, I have found that flange scratches easy so I like to use a plastic 3 or4 inch bondo blade used for body work it goes on nicely. Try one for tight spots and you can cut them down to fit a area to small to get a blade into. I keep one in my bucket to scrape the sides and load my hawk or pan . Great 👍

[@anthonywilson1754]

Ok. When I was maybe age 15 and working for a property management company to make money for gymnastics I came to like the work and not just the money. And I remember us having to do what you're doing on the tub surround. I mostly watched another guy do this but didn't pay that much attention. I like how you did this. I'm now full time in construction and mostly do new construction. And I'm not usually the taper.

[@fishynut8252]

Another EXCELLENT video! Really like watchin you work!!

[@robertroy8803]

What I like best about your videos as a DIY'er myself who's occasionally made money doing projects for people, is that it helps me know when I need to call in a professional...and how not to make their life miserable beforehand lol

[@MysticalMe131]

Been watching you for awhile now. And you always do an Awesome job. Your work always impresses me.😊

[@micahthompson3762]

I finish edges around showers exactly as you do. If someone wonders whether their drywall mud or plaster will stick to the flange edge (eventually separate), they can do one of two things. Apply a special primer to the fiberglass/acrylic flange or place a few drywall screws around the parameter (slightly raised) so mud has something to grab.

[@aptpupil]

I've done several of these.. i use expanded metal lath attached with truss head screws. Then either durabond or hot mud as the first coat. Never had a problem.

[@OilBaron100]

The finished work looks great.

[@travisk5589]

That homeowner appears to do good work. The shower install, hanging the sheet rock, and that window install. Assuming it was the homeowner that did the window since there is spray foam stuck to the frame. But still good enough.

[@PSNDonutDude]

I'm curious why it was taken over. Seems the homeowner was doing a good job!

[@travisk5589]

@@PSNDonutDude probably because it's finish work. I see that a lot where they want the finished product to look good and they get nervous about doing it.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

It was family. There were two good video opportunities that I never see where I live. The tub flange and the texture repair so I offered to help out with it.

[@dalerounds4036]

Sanding is where I've seen many people do the tub damage, use painters tape just to protect the finish.

[@FeelingLikeThatNow]

Could you use a J style PVC no-coat trim against the drywall edge next to the shower, perhaps keeping it back a half to three quarter inch, and thereby avoid the tricky part floating the corner fill, and instead have a flat plastic edge to coat up to and the edge wouldn't be a permeable surface that you could also caulk more reliably? Sorry that's a really long question, but I was thinking about how you make the hard part easier, but you would need to plan to do it that way.

[@robjohnston5292]

I think that sounds like a good idea, but I'm just a diy guy.

[@shawnfisher1301]

Ya or the tear away beads

[@loco4dogg]

You read my mind, was going to ask you to do this morning.

[@420architecMindNDesign]

11:10 Ben i believe that is properly known as “The angle of the dangle” haha

[@briansegall1084]

Wait, did I miss something? I assume you put a corner bead on the outside corner, off camera? Anyway, I could have used this video 2 years ago for my bathroom renovation! I couldn't find a single video explaining how to finish drywall around a shower surround, so I improvised and brought the drywall over top of the flange, to within 1/8" of the shower itself. I used J trim to give the drywall a clean edge against the tub, and I filled the gap with silicone. It looks alright, but it's definitely way different than what's shown in this video.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

Yes. Bead went on off camera

[@xolomartinez6036]

Down here in Socal, it's identically the same exact bag (40 min) with blue outline, white lettering but the manufacturer is WestPac!

[@Kjs-td6ro]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I am in the process of doing this same project and had questions

[@randyscrafts8575]

Where I'm at, drywall finishers take the drywall all the way down the flange then just caulk the seam between the tub surround and drywall.

[@schackghs16]

I like to throw a little painters tape on the surround before I start to reduce cleanup

[@philipramsden4975]

6 months ago and still not done? Yep, definitely a homeowner project 🤣🤣

[@jamest1157]

I just found your playlists! Thanks.

[@dylanw8823]

Is this common on the west coast? I typically see drywall butted up to the flange then tile sits past, covering the screws, tight to the tub/shower pan.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

This is common in the US. In Canada we usually tile.

[@specnaz01]

Have you ever done any videos on repairing garage ceilings/walls? My garage ceiling is peeling/cracking cause previous owner did a horrible job taping and didnt seal the ceiling correctly so the moisture messed it all up. I'm thinking of scraping off all the peeling drywall and just use a simple primer/sealer to cover up the mess without drywalling.

[@anthonywilson1754]

I also love the sanding tip.

[@nnamrehck]

You are an amazing craftsman!

[@Natedorny]

Ive been taping for 35 yrs. Here is a pro pointer: mix taping mud 40% and fine silica or glass bead 60% add some latex paint for water resistance and mix well. It should be thick but not cakey. Fill the flange gap and leave til dry. I use same mix for pre-filling gaps. Especially around electrical boxes. If it is mixed right it wont sag out. It dries hard as plaster. And it dries quicker than you think because the aggregate holds no moisture. Just dont let it protrude or you need a rotohammer. There are a thousand ways to do any one thing.

[@davidramey7186]

Appreciate your videos brother. I needed this information

[@jayjudd6518]

Great teaching job. Thank 😊😊

[@dalesommerfield8920]

Great video! Use hot mud because it's waterproof. The old ones are better for this than the light ones. USG is darn tough and waterproof. I use it start to finish and then prime and paint. Use plastic cornerbead instead of metal that will eventually rust. If it was easy, women and children would be doing it!

[@andrewcarr2431]

A lot of Bathroom jobs on new construction are using regular drywall + a heavy coat of "Anti Mold' paint as the primer. Least that is what my local inspector told me during conversation. Greenboard was extra expensive (than normal) and hard to source during COVID so necessity drives invention as they say.

[@ericb5666]

You ever use Trim Tex shower bead for situations like this?

[@vancouvercarpenter]

Not yet

[@salembeeman370]

I just added the same comment (and deleted it.) My surround came out nice and clean with much less skill needed.

[@CharlesM-rq5xv]

I have several comments. First off, you sir are an artist with a knife and a trowel. Second, I don't like to add multiple layers of setting compound without drying compound between them. I also like a layer of drying compound to ppime or paint. USG green lid regular all purpose is good about not growing mold or mildew but it's not water impervious like setting compound. Third, I've tried to use cheap wood glue with quick set. I never have good results. I should probably use the water proof stuff. Keep up the good work.

[@markferrick10]

What setting compound do you recommend.

[@CharlesM-rq5xv]

The easiest to use is quickset lite by proform. It mixes clump free super easy. It doesn't thicken until it's ready to kick off, then it sets up all at once. It's not the toughest setting compound but if you need a predictable, water proof, fast setting compound, it's what I use. Don't buy a setting time number higher than 45. Setting compound has to chemically set up faster than it air dries.

[@dhammer5645]

Nice work Ben!👍👍👍

[@vancouvercarpenter]

Thank you Mr. Hammer!!

[@dhammer5645]

@vancouvercarpenter friends call me "D" , feel free to as well.

[@BarbiegirlTina]

This is satisfying to watch 😍

[@johns_jokes]

What's really funny is? I was just working on one of these yesterday. But a little larger. In a modular, home, very tight fit. the customer wanted half inch mold resistant drywall in the bathroom I have totally gutted this modular.Right down to the studs and joyce's I have Went through already 43 4×10 sheets of drywall and 12 sheets of mold recent drywall wall And to be honest I do believe they build a whole house around the shower bathtub

[@terriblet9810]

Been following you for years, awesome channel, great tutorials and info. Just curious if you’ve used Trim-Tex’s Tear away Shower Bead which is a wider version of their tear away L bead. It worked awesome. No I don’t work for them LOL.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

I haven’t yet.

[@stephaniebabin2441]

I'm doing my own bathroom makeover. My friends call me crazy 🤔 but they don't have you in their back pocket! They just write checks. I figure I'll write them if I screw up. So my shower surround was done 15 years ago and now I'm redoing. It has a thinnish crack all along the top edge. I'm thinking I should spray some cleaning agent with bleach in case there might be some mold of some sort. But then I was just going to spackle, sand, and paint. Hadn't really heard about Fiber fuse. Is that necessary? Maybe that's just a first time thing. Guess I'll due a little research.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

You could probably just clean it out then caulk and paint.

[@cliffsteele7696]

When mixing mud in a pan, try using a margin trowel. Much easier on the wrist.

[@jamesdunphy2696]

Found your channel as I gear up for my first small home project regarding drywall, refinishing a wall end. Saw that you reviewed trim-tex products. Any thought on Trim-Tex Fast Caps? Thx for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@aaron74]

Ben your how-tos are so motivating. I would have look that drywall project with a big UGHHH. You just attack it and totally make it not a big deal.

[@drumrboynoid]

I wander if the mesh tape would be better to use for these high moisture situations. Does flat paper tape get mold?

[@josephking6515]

What grade grit do you use for the sanding? I don't do enough of this sort of filling so I am really rubbish at it plus combine with being 68 and having bad eyes and unsteady hands I am not exaggerating when I say I'm rubbish. *Thank you* for the video. 👍

[@codybersicc7939]

thoughts on using tear away beads on that part bro

[@vancouvercarpenter]

You can. It will make a nice transition from drywall to surround. But this works too.

[@terrykelly7042]

So assuming you shim the studs out flush with the flange how close would you put the sheetrock ?

[@BlossomPainting]

Great knowledge share 😊

[@jmaxwell3982]

Love your videos! I am also a carpenter in Vancouver. I am curious why you are a carpenter who does drywall?

[@xisotopex]

do you run a bead of caulk between the shower and the cured quickset?

[@KiteMikePEI]

Did you apply a corner bead after the fill coat? Is you edge only drywall?

[@TheGregWallace]

Question......What would be wrong with just screwing another layer of drywall over the flange then there would be less finishing involved?

[@WayPastCrazy2525]

Are you using any glue in your 2nd or 3rd mudding or only on the prefill?

[@Matt-my7pz]

Ben im assuming other tapers will mention shower bead. You may have done a video on this, forgive me if you have. But that could be another video. I typically do it almost word for word what you did except I havent added glue. It seems where i live that shower bead isnt available and the last time i ordered it i was given 1/2" cabinet edge trim🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️. To elaborate, tine was of tgecessence and the order was late in coning a few days only to get a very different product. Fastset it is...

[@vancouvercarpenter]

We don’t usually do this where I live. It’s usually tile.

[@brianoden1798]

I love using Fibafuze . It lays down thin and makes it look like i know what im doing.

[@CliftonStarks-y2q]

Did you use a corner bead or just the fill? Great videos, I've been watching for years. 👍

[@aaronholmes6910]

Another great option for this is trim tex shower bead.

[@chad3601]

Ever use the tear away bead on a surround?

[@vancouvercarpenter]

We never do these where I live. I had to travel out of town just to find one and film it.

[@chad3601]

@vancouvercarpenter do you like the concept? I am doing a remodel on a 70's house now in Michigan and they used it where the walls meet up with a brick wall.

[@mattersr.7542]

Lol another DYI hack!! The blue pan and Hyde 6" tells me enough!!

[@aservant2287]

He's actually pretty good all around. I wouldn't have been ok with mudding over regular drywall in a bathroom but he didn't install it. Green board is needed in bathrooms

[@nicholasgranat2999]

Nice job!

[@codybersicc7939]

homeowner specials are insane

[@TheSeaOfAsher]

In the start you said tighter you mean more plumb or straight?

[@joshuawhite9725]

ugh, freakin swirl. The house i just finished remodeling had swirl. I had to fix every ceiling in the house. One bedroom the entire wall had to be floated where the limecoat and plaster separated. I used a masonry brush and some thinned down plus 3. I just did swipes with my wrist and it came out pretty nice.

[@vancouvercarpenter]

I actually enjoyed it.

[@joshuawhite9725]

@vancouvercarpenter it wasn't too bad. I didn't add any sand to it, it was sandswirl but it still came out okay.

[@ahardersenjr]

The easy way to eliminate this process is to get the hanger to fur the walls 1/4" before and he can hang the board tight to the flange! Then it's just a quick caulk to finish!

[@xisotopex]

can you paint right over the dried mix?

[@BigJohnson1566]

Grand pappy always said, leave well enough alone!

[@lubblegarage]

Where do you get the contrast tan mud? Thanks