Vane Choices!

In this video, I go over the differences in vane profiles and materials to give you a better idea of what will work best for you
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[@jons7e]

This was good information. I'm using the Bully vanes and for TAC they flew very well. And the Bully vanes are slightly smaller, like .53 vs .58 of the blazer, which can only help for those longer distances. They are also only 6.5 grains per vane, which is lighter than many other vanes on the market, and only 0.5 grains more than a Blazer even though it's a stiffer material. For whatever reason, it's really hard to find many reviews and information on the Bully vanes, so I'm glad you covered them.

[@wanr5701]

Maybe in the future you can do videos on different fletching types like feathers and mylar vanes as well. Especially the latter, it will be good to give thoughts whether mylar vanes is good for hunting as much as it is for competition.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

If mylar vanes worked better they'd still be a thing. But they don't, so they aren't haha

[@-TheRealBUCKET-]

Haha I been watching your videos for a bit now. Every time I’m like, “why does this shop look so familiar?” I I Just couldn’t place it. Haha it’s the bow rack and I live in Springfield. What a small world. I’m an absolute beginner and I’ll be buying a full setup next month. Maybe we could make a video of it. From a beginners perspective. I love your content. Keep it up dude.

[@lovesvanilla666]

Man it’s like you put the perfect vids up for when I start to alter my gear… The TAC Drivers will go beautifully on my VAPs. Thanks man, great info as always. Good luck in the bush 🤙

[@stevecrader3479]

I've gone "all in" with the TAC Driver 2.75" for broadheads and 3D. One of my shooting buds literally folded a vane over on a target, I put it away in the case for a couple days and it restored itself perfectly (except for the black carbon streak!) At our range, the TAC is quickly becoming the primary vane for anyone going beond stock Bohning Blazers.

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Did you use a 3 or 4 fletch?

[@stevecrader3479]

@@melvinsacromentoe I run 3 vane mostly, but I do run a 4 vane 2 inch for TAC. Will tinker with a 4 fletch for next years ASA

[@rx1hunter896]

The TAC vane maybe the stiffest…but is by far the hardest to fletch. With all the arrows I fletch, I do not get anyone requesting them.

[@WM-jy9dz]

I had no problems with the 2.25" ones, however, the 2" ones on a micro diameter shaft are a little bit tricky (I use a 1.5 deg offset) as the base is very narrow and if I don't take care they slide back into the clamp, or if I don't push hard enough they only partly stick to the shaft.

[@jeffersoncroci9406]

I had a tough time with them as well, and also they seemed to fall off way easier than the Max Stealth

[@rx1hunter896]

@@jeffersoncroci9406 Anytime I see somebody pushing a product I always give it a try however I go into it with an open mind but after trying them I would not recommend them to anybody else based on my findings

[@joshbeasley9423]

They are tough to Fletch but in my opinion they look awesome an once you get them to stick they are there to stay

[@WM-jy9dz]

I guess it also depends on shaft diameter and off set / helical - for a straight vane I can't see any issues with them (I use loctite primer). The problems I encountered was that for a micro dia shaft and some off-set it is hard to push the whole base to / around the shaft due to their stiffness and the small base for the 2 ones (had no issues with 2.25"). For the next batch I will try to "pre-heat" them in my food dryer, lets see whether they become more flexible if warmed up a little bit.

[@tonyallen9131]

I've been using max hunter vanes and I've never used the primer pen and never had a problem with them not sticking, most of the time I'll clean the mold release agent off with alcohol but the last arrows i did i just used hot water and a paper towel and they still stuck but I use a different glue, it's for gluing rc rubber tiers to wheels and it works amazing.

[@jasonnester9514]

Hands down bohning heat vanes super stiff low profile they have tuned and shot well with any broadhead

[@brendanmurnane9268]

I had a tuning problem with 150gr fixed blades with small blazers. 3 inches right no matter what. I didn’t realize it until I tried 100 grain fixed blade and then they flew flawlessly. Moral of the story if ur broadheads isn’t flying straight no matter what it could be ur fletching.

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

Could Have been a spine issue. Heavier broadhead, weaker spine

[@keithdodson7536]

Try the Silent Knight vanes if i were running big C.O.C. broadheads no Question this would be the vane i would use.

[@jasonnester9514]

Soooo if it was ur vanes then why did u switch broadhead weight lol

[@brendanmurnane9268]

@@jasonnester9514 Didn’t want to spend more money to relfetch and also didn’t have the time, i already had other broadheads

[@jasonnester9514]

@@brendanmurnane9268 copy copy

[@TheSpeyfisher]

I'm going to try the tac driver van. You always give honest straight forward information on all subjects which equates to trust! I really appreciate what you are doing. I do want to come over and meet you and see the shop? Since I live in Salem I don't think it's a problem since I drive to Bowtech! Thanks for your professionalism!!!! Mike

[@sho9636]

I’ve started fletching and use Tac drivers. I absolutely love them. Only vanes I’ll use now

[@kee7678]

Just about to start myself... Got the jig and RH clamp. What degrees are you going? I'm going to try both the TACs and also the Bullys.

[@timbow50]

I bought some TAC driver vanes two months ago. Red and white. The base of all this pack of the red ones was messed up in that it wasn’t molded right. Like literally 1/16” wide compared to the pack of white which had normal base width. Can’t believe quality control let these out the door. I won’t be wasting money on anymore of these.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

That’s strange, but not sure if 1/16” would hurt anything. If anything it might give you better adhesion. Definitely weird though

[@TalonID]

I certainly would discuss Flex-fletch due to their proprietary polymer science which allows them to "bounce" back once deformed. IMO - they offer the best vane in the business and have for several decades.

[@KowboyUSA]

I need to try some Tac Driver vanes on my next set of arrows.

[@ILikeCatsMoreThanILikeYou]

I forget who was talking about it, but somebody proved that it's actually the arrow that spooks the animal and not the bow. It was a guy who was sitting in his tree stand and whenever he had does or small bucks he didn't want to shoot he would shoot at a Target he had set up in the other direction to see if the bow noise would spook the deer and there was no reaction at all. So it seems as though it's the deer reacting to that Arrow coming towards them rather than the firing of the bow itself

[@wazuhhDH]

I cannot get tac vanes to stick well even with their primer pen. Went back to blazers because I had so many issues.

[@greekmaster1001]

Try the Zing kling primer and glue they will stick perfectly

[@jeffersoncroci9406]

Same here

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

Have you reviewed silent knights

[@baggedram99]

stopped using max stealth and went to TAC a while ago and don't plan on looking back

[@stevew3718]

Nice video, exactly what I was looking for. Question on the tac vane ? Is there a trick to get a helical on the tac 2.75 with a 5mm arrow?.. having a difficut time, can only get a slight offset.

[@randyhelgeson1254]

Hey friend!! I'm north in PA WA. I like what you said about the tac driver shield. I am new so I'll just do the 2.75 this year. I want to fletch my own. My bow spins the arrow left so I am going to fletch left. Will one of the plastic fletchers work with these? It has that ring that slides down the arrow to basically clamp it? And do you have one? It's going to be at 3 or 5 degrees. Probably 3. Thanks for the info. We new shooters don't want to see 25 different veins we have to think about making a choice from we just want to see like 3 and you tell us what we need to do until we get better. Perfect video for this new bow hunter. Semper Fi

[@bva8252]

I'll be building new arrows this year. Looks like I need to consider the TAC driver. Any thoughts on the DCA Super Sabre vanes? I have nothing much to contribute except they look a little unique.

[@peterhansen4671]

Heat vanes

[@firstgenerationoutdoors8592]

Reading reviews on the TAC and seeing a lot of people that shot them in cold conditions and them shattering due to the stiffness. Would purchase them but after reading this im not sure if I will.

[@quintonb9870]

I've had a few of them break when being slapped by another arrow in 3d targets. Break like hard plastic. I've never seen another vane do that. Oh and that was this past summer in 70-85 degree temps, so not cold whatsoever.

[@firstgenerationoutdoors8592]

@@quintonb9870 Yea im not worried about that as much because I feel as though thats a risk with any arrow.

[@quintonb9870]

@@firstgenerationoutdoors8592 just to be clear: I'm not talking about the vanes being hit by the point of the other arrows and being destoyed, I mean the other arrows slapped against them and the vanes just snapped at the base. Ive poked holes in vanes before, but never had any just snap. 3 or 4 of them I think in the few months I shot them. They seem to be brittle. I also had several in the bag of 36 that were markedly smaller, and weight spread was almost 3 grains. They look cool though, and seemed to fly well. I *might* try them again on some hunting arrows, but they're expensive and it seems like qc is poor.

[@firstgenerationoutdoors8592]

@@quintonb9870 Dude thank you for writing this. I read about QC issues as well and now I will not be grabbing these.

[@quintonb9870]

@@firstgenerationoutdoors8592 If you like to tinker I still think they're worth trying out, but they are on the more expensive side. Who knows, maybe they've improved. Lots of people seem happy with them.

[@jasonnester9514]

Bohning heat vanes are stiffer than the tacs

[@2b_outdoors182]

Raindrops fall with the bigger side falling first..what if you flethch some of these backward? Id be curious to know what that has affect on sound..

[@Boschy]

I used the stealth for over a year and the constant tears were so annoying. Changed to tac vanes and you hear them clip each other but have yet to damage one. I cleaned the tac vanes with isopropyl alcohol and NO primer, then glue. Haven't had a si gle one fall off so I'm assuming there is some coating that the primer pens remove. But the alcohol done it just as good but cheaper.

[@Allegiance_Outdoors]

This probably a dumb question but where do you index the nock on a 4 fletch arrow, aligned with one of the vanes or between them?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Between

[@Allegiance_Outdoors]

@@InsideOutPrecision thanks. Where do you index your fixed blade broadheads, in line with the vanes or 12-6 or 3-9 ?

[@feyrband]

Darrell Barnette (the rocket man / engineer) advises 3-9.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@feyrband unless you have clearance with your vanes it really doesn't matter.

[@WM-jy9dz]

...I wonder whether the TAC vanes help in regards to a good wound channel? ....they should loose less KE in the game too, so likely will increase the likelihood of a pass through. I bought them a few weeks before, but till today I had no chance to do some long distance tests or hunting.

[@sinepari9160]

I don't find this in wind.. a lower diameter 4 fletch is better like a stealth with an axis long range 4mm shaft with proper helical

[@danielback3236]

Looks like your Tac set up is 4 fletch. Do the stabilize a fixed blade well in a 3 fletch?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

No its a 3 fletch

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

What do you use for 3d, indoor? And do you choose different vane for different diameter? I shoot victory rip xv( like to stretch it out to 100+), mostly i shoot 50 and in at 3d . And alot of indoor. Just started shooting ps23’s . So many arrows, vanes, points, wraps…. Foc. This rabbit hole is confusing me and thinking i need to settle on something and stick to it?

[@donschutte1418]

Just a thought I haven't shot bow for 10 years shoulder injury but when I last shot I was using think they were called vortex armor piercing super small dia. and I think fletch was 1.75 in long but I spaced them out 1/2 in apart so they overall spaced 2.75 in length down the shaft . They were an experiment to find arrows that were less affected by wind quieter and maintain better velocity as far as my tests went it worked on all accounts this was for 3d and my last 3 tournaments were shot with these arrows. All this was after a call I had with an ex NASA scientist he said the 1.75 in spread over the 2 3/4 in would act like 2.75 in correction but only drag like 1.75 accuracy was if anything as good or better at distance and I shot all groups at 70 yards never did get to chronograph time run out for me I am 70 now gimped shoulder. Would be neat to see someone else try this or maybe someone has for what it is worth ,a wind gust has almost no affect on these arrows

[@jasonhayzlett4353]

Are the tac 2.75 veins to stiff for minimax helical? Works great with stealth max and would like to try it with tac

[@hiz99]

How do you decide on left or right or straight angles?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Can’t go straight, the arrow has to spine. But generally you want to mark a bare shaft and shoot it at like 10 ft to see which way it wants to rotate naturally, the n fletch accordingly

[@davidcarlson6704]

I am stuck between using the AAE max stealth or max 23 in a 4 fletch or trying the TAC drivers in a 2.75 or 2.25 4 fletch in a 2 degree right helical. I am setting up an Axis 5mm 260 spine 34” length arrow with 120gn ethics insert and 100gn mechanical but want to mess with fixed blades later. Any suggestions and should I stick to a 4 fletch or would a 3 work?

[@benpena2832]

Do you apply helical in a 4 fletch configuration, if any? How much? Or Does helical even matter in 4 fletch application? Great video! Thanks.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah still needs helical. Usually about 3 degree

[@stephenheadey8606]

How about measuring the sound? Surely it is not that hard.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Then do it !

[@tjdreyer]

Is the 2" tac driver what you'll use again for TAC this year? I'm trying to get an arrow setup for 3d and eventually that this summer.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

If you're setting up a competitive 3d bow, then you wouldn't want to use a small diameter arrow. Youd want to shoot a 23, 25, or 26 diameter carbon arrow tjat has line catching ability. With that arrow you'd want to run a larger profile vane like the Tac Driver 2.75 to help stabilize the larger shaft. But for a shoot like Tac where the average shot is 55+ and wind is a factor, you want a small diameter arrow with lower profile vanes

[@j_pasty_w1823]

Opinion on normal glued fletchings vs wraps?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Never noticed a difference. Just make sure you clean part of the shaft you wrap or they can peel up

[@actualtreecare]

Do you find that stiffer vanes are harder to get a good helical with?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

No not at all!

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

What about Q2i?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

They make a good vane as well! We don’t sell them and I have never personally shot them but I know a lot of guys that do and like them

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

@@InsideOutPrecision why don't you sell them if you don't mind me asking?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@AngusMoss_Archery not sure, that’s a question for my boss haha

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

@@InsideOutPrecision lol I hear you. Just so you know, Q2i vanes (Q2i Rapt X) come prefletched on MANY top arrow brands instead of Blazers now. Anything with a black base on the vane is a Q2i vane. The duo polymer process makes fletching and refletching much easier and faster too. Let me know if I can help get them in yalls shop. I know those guys pretty well and I'm sure you guys would sell a lot of them.

[@keefer88]

blazers are not .85 tall. they're like .5 something

[@NPC-fl3gq]

They used to be taller, but even then, I think you're right. Were the originals .685"!?

[@ThatJamesGuy88]

According to Google, they’re 0.57 inch tall.

[@perryrusso3764]

FLEX FLETCH has won more tournaments than any other fletch....

[@wcwcgarner2717]

Great way to break down vines. I have just been shooting blazer vines. I have no problem wt them.shooting fixed blade broadheads.

[@milkrvr4088]

Do a speed test video I fletched some aae hybrids the big ones 26 I think not important I did a 4 fletch left helical and offset they had a hell of a twist on them stabilized well but hurt speed a lot people talk about drag but I haven’t seen a good video on the speed difference between all the vanes 3 fletch vs 4 fletch also. Something like that would make an awesome video I was like 271 with my LH helical and 283 with a slight right hand helical but my test wasn’t scientific at all

[@naturalstatehunter5591]

AAE max stealths are very quite. Not sure why you are saying they are loud.

[@timothyhall963]

I absolutely hate those soft vanes

[@yerfdogd]

So I replaced the 2" Blazers on my Victory V force 400 arrows with 4" wraps and 2.75 Tac drivers. I used my Bitzenburger RH helical clamp and successfully fletched 10 arrows no adhesion issues and they look great. I shot them today and was right on (x ring) at 20 but at 50 they are hitting about 8 " low! I added less than 10gr to these arrows and with the claims of increased down range speed I expected to hit higher and have to tighten up my pins but just the opposite happened. I had paper tuned with the Blazers and had my bow shooting very well out to 70 meters. I shoot every day and the only change was the wraps and Tac Drivers.?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah man the Tac driver is longer and heavier than a blazer...

[@kee7678]

What degree RH did you put your vanes on ? 2.5? 1.0 ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@kee7678 I dunno haha….enough to spin them but not excessive.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@kee7678 probably 3-4

[@kee7678]

Dennis, how are you shooting now? I'm doing the exact same as you soon, and wondering if I'm also likely to shoot low too. I'm adding wraps and the 2.75 TACs, with my Bitzenburger RH clamp. I'll only do 3 however based on what happened with yours. Any updates ??

[@EDHBowman]

Both Randys at TAC recommended matrix 2.25 for a 3 fletch using ironwill outfitters broadheads…

[@Corewood_TJP]

Really interesting video. I have never thought about that the stiffness of the vane could have an impact, among other at longer distances, downrange speed etc. I have almost allways used Easton Diamond. I guess you would say they are soft?? Or?? The Tac vanes sounds really interesting. Both for my 3D arrows (Bowfire) where I use Easton Diamond 280 and for my outdoor target archery arrows (ACC), where I use Easton Diamond 235. Maybe I should try and switch to Tac in similar sizes to see if they would be better. Interesting.

[@jayonez137]

AAE stealth max for me. Perfect for 3D Perfect for my single bevel iron will BH.

[@benpena2832]

So you use 3 or 4 fletch? Also do you helical the vane with 4 fletch

[@jayonez137]

@@benpena2832 3 fletch 3° Right helical

[@stevenkaiser4897]

Good luck hunting - was out near Yampa but no luck - hope you stick a bull

[@kyletaylor1844]

Ever used that Bohning air vanes? Thinking about trying them to shoot TAC, cant decide if too small and also do you like helical or like a 1 degree offset for long range stuff like TAC?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

They’re great if you’re shooting field points and a lighter arrow

[@redleg84]

Which tac vanes are good for fixed broadheads? Using max stealth in 3 fletch right now

[@Arrowslinger123]

Driver 2.75

[@alienwizards3246]

2:34 THEEWWWWFFFFF

[@Briguy933]

What blue nock is that in the axis with the hybrid vanes.

[@jakeoregonoutdoorsman]

I think its the 4mm nock I think that was the axis long range

[@NW_Outdoorz]

I shoot the tac drivers 2.75 as well and I absolutely love them! I did get into a soft target and crinkled the vanes, so I set it in the back of my quicker and in a few hours it reset itself back to true. Also there customer support is amazing! I had some issues when I first got them with sticking. But after a few emails and a new jig later I had zero issues with them. Also they where nice enough to send me some more vanes to help me out!

[@feyrband]

Which jig did you go with?

[@aaronhall765]

I'd like to know what jig you ended up using

[@jakeoregonoutdoorsman]

I use a bitzenburger and it works great with tac vanes

[@glenncharles6622]

I just fletched up a set and they were incredibly easy to fletch. I did use the primer pen and their glue with my Vane Master Pro. Looking forward to shooting them against my Max Hunters to see the difference.

[@blackarm3265]

Question? Why wether it be a bow an arrow 🏹 kill or a rifle kill on any hunting show say on the outdoor channel whether they are in box blind or tree stand after they have shot there deer or elk why do they whisper with camera man or if there with a buddy .the hunt is complete there gonna go retrieve there kill so why the whispering?I don't see what a few more decibels or the average speaking volume I could understand if they were gonna keep hunting but why the whispering if there calling it a day? Take care bro hope your doing good🤙

[@mr.skeptical3071]

Whatever y'all do don't get Zingers! They ARE incredibly light but they tear after a couple dozen shots! And they are just way to small for anything other than feild pts. They always rip

[@dusty_leatherworks]

How do u keep the 2.75s workin with a hamskea??. The aaes I had rode on the back of the rest. Went back to blazers cause of clearance.

[@briansullivan7997]

How are the tac drivers 20- 40yds

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@briansullivan7997 great

[@JustRidingAlongOutdoorMedia]

Where can I find this t-shirt?

[@wayneholmes4207]

How about Aerovane II or III from Firenock?

[@jeffspencer7489]

What about Q2i?

[@Orr_s]

Do you think a 3 fletch TAC driver 2.25” with 2 degree or so offset and left helical clamp, with 3 blade grim reaper pro hades, or 3 blade VPA 1 1/8” will be good enough steering the arrow for primarily saddle hunting whitetail? Shots well within 40 yards and lot shorter mostly. Im hopeful and read into some other reviews confirming. They are on a VAP SS elite 4mm. 73# 29.5” draw. 100 grain and 65 grain point and collar weight

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I’d go with the 2.75s for a fixed blad head

[@cade8986]

Fletched 12 arrows yesterday with the AAE Max Hunter vanes. Did 4 fletch. Didn’t use the max weld pen and some flew off in flight. Could pull them off with barely any force. Ouch

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah you have to use the primer pen with any of the Max vanes

[@MotorsportsX]

Im shooting though a Gen 7x with orion 300 shafts. can you reccommend the best vane that will clear the rest with no issue?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

They should all clear with out an issue. If you’re getting contact with your babes then you either need to tighten the cord or move the cord a couple inches closer to the riser so it drops sooner

[@richjones8696]

What is your opinion on X vanes? They are a similar shape the the TAC driver and are a medium stiffness?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Seem like a good vane. Never really played with them though

[@greekmaster1001]

Hey man you should try SILENT KNIGHT VANES.....in my opinion best in the market

[@keithdodson7536]

AGREED the Silent Knight is AWESOME!!!

[@randy122]

Are you trimming the super thin front tip of the TAC driver vanes? How much? What tool? Scissors? Razor blade? ?? ???

[@InsideOutPrecision]

No I don’t trim anything

[@randy122]

@@InsideOutPrecision The front almost quarter inch seems to have no aerodynamic function and adds weight. Do you see anything wrong with trimming it?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@randy122 it’s function is to smoothly transfer the air to the larger part of the vane that helps stabilize the arrow. If you cut it there will be a flat sharp edge that will flow and make noise as well as cause unstable flight. You would save maybe 4 grains by trimming it, which is nothing, but will sacrifice accuracy. I’d leave it to the engineers to vane design haha

[@83-Outdoors]

You left out q2i fusions

[@InsideOutPrecision]

We don’t sell them so I haven’t messed with them. Seem like good vanes though

[@richardc553]

Do those TAC vanes work well with a Bitzenburger Jig??

[@joshbeasley9423]

They work well for me just don't over glue

[@richardc553]

@@joshbeasley9423 Awesome, thanks!!

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

What's your setup for elk hunting? (Draw weight, arrow weight, broadhead)

[@CecilBrown1620]

I just realized you look like Baker Mayfield.

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

What are your thoughts on all of the bad press the Tac Driver vanes are getting on the forums. Currently shooting vanetec super spines

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

I got some of the Tac Driver 2.25" vanes - like them minus dealing with the TAC Glue. Thinking about trying the AAE glue and primer. YOur thoughts? otherwise I am going to head to the Bohning Heat vane. Don't have to deal with the Tac primer and glue. The TAC primer pen plunger kept sticking in the fully depressed position and the primer would spill out everywhere. Total pain in the ass.

[@joshsinglefooter]

Dang wanted to hear your thoughts on the max stealth vane.

[@eriklarson84]

The hybrid is essentially the same thing. One is prep and one is no prep.

[@keithdodson7536]

I am running the AAE Max Stealth this year with right helical there great lil heavy, but i highly suggest the Silent Knight vanes for hunting check them out great vanes!👍🏹🏹

[@joshsinglefooter]

@@keithdodson7536 I run those with a helical from an arizona ez fletch