AN IN-DEPTH LESSON ON ARROW VANES

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@patrickscheel3943
@patrickscheel3943 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a hero in this industry! I always find myself coming to your videos for guidance :-D
@toddwagoner51
@toddwagoner51 2 жыл бұрын
Dud. You have always been sincere. Too be respected.!! Absolutely.
@dakotamcmahon306
@dakotamcmahon306 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on helical vs straight fletched?
@airgunangie17
@airgunangie17 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I write The Bow Bully Blog for Pyramyd AIR and your videos are a huge help for me to find things to write about and give good, sound direction to the readers! Thank you! Huge help!!
@ApexPredatorOutdoors
@ApexPredatorOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
I started using the Easy Vanes and they were the best ones I have tried so far. Easiest to fletch, cheap, and super light. 4 fletch weighs only like 16-20 grains
@rick31869
@rick31869 2 жыл бұрын
the ones 3d printed from Australia ?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors
@ApexPredatorOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
@@rick31869 👍 Yep.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors
@ApexPredatorOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
@@rick31869 Use the code "10% + 2 Free Vanes" if you decide to try them and get just that.
@reidpowers3932
@reidpowers3932 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a broadhead showdown!!! You are the man Dudley 🤙thanks for the content.
@jan-georgekilian9027
@jan-georgekilian9027 2 жыл бұрын
This video came just in time for me to convince a friend to try a 4 fletch to tighten up his fixedblade groups. Thank you mr. Dudly!
@nockonarchery
@nockonarchery 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@longshotdiedtired1582
@longshotdiedtired1582 Жыл бұрын
John you saved me so many headaches with these videos thank you for doing what you do , also I had no idea nock fit was even a thing until watching your videos that alone shrunk my groups so thank you
@jons7e
@jons7e 2 жыл бұрын
I went with a 3 fletch with no wrap to decrease overall weight for TAC to increase speed and range, and to add a little more FOC. I also went with 2 degree helical for less drag at longer distances. Not sure if it makes much difference but it's fun to experiment. Is that a new shirt design?
@7Rotorman
@7Rotorman 2 жыл бұрын
Dear John, “heighth” isn’t a word. Good content though. Learning a lot!
@karlmadsen3179
@karlmadsen3179 2 жыл бұрын
The max vane in a 4-fletch at about 3 degrees right offset is what I have been shooting the last several years. Best results I have obtained so far. I was using the FOB for several years, but got tired of them being so easily snagged and getting stripped from my arrow - whether in flight and hitting a leaf or two, or in my quiver and walking through the woods! The last straw is when I lost some FOBs going through brush while walking to a hunt spot in the upper peninsula of Michigan the first morning of a bow hunt. I had spares, but it was still annoying. Been going with the max vane 4-fletch ever since. Very satisfied for now.
@sheyanderson4371
@sheyanderson4371 2 жыл бұрын
Never tried the FOB, but if you liked the concept, I recommend trying Zinger fletches. I still use traditional vanes every now and then for fun and practice arrows, but I always go back to Zingers.
@tools4spoons
@tools4spoons Жыл бұрын
What is your nocking point orientation for your four fletch configuration? Thank you 👍
@PNW_Wolfpack_Adventures
@PNW_Wolfpack_Adventures 2 жыл бұрын
Great video man. Thanks for the info. Ive shot 3, 4, and 6 fletch. Straight and helical. When it comes to steering a single bevel fixed blade broad head i think im back to 3 fletch helical. When i shot 4 helical i got parachuting at distance. I also want to keep a higher FOC which is why im dropping back to 3 instead of decreasing the helical on 4. When you come off target and go to your hunting arrows do you have more weight up front or just the 100gn head? I figure since you are a big target guy you probably stick to 100.
@matiascecchetto
@matiascecchetto 2 жыл бұрын
What's the weight of the arrow you used for hunting (overall weight and broadhead weight)? Would you agree more weight upfront doesn't require that big a fletching? I'm trying to reduce my fletching to still be able to stir a fixed blade with 650grain, 300ish at the front. Cheers!
@mmcguire5687
@mmcguire5687 2 жыл бұрын
I actually tried that process and so called “tested” about 6 or 8 different vanes and configurations. One vane, Heat vanes, absolutely did not work for me but I cannot tell you why. Also tried 4 fletch but could not see a difference between 3 or 4. So I guess the reality is “ I’m just not a good enough archer” to be able to discern the minute differences between these products. I have 2 bows, different poundages etc, and I run different vanes for each because I can, and I can also pick my own color combination etc etc. also, I can pretty much hit what I’m aiming at from zero to a 100 yds with a decent group. But the reality is, I could probably do the same with off the shelf vanes.
@YoureSoVane
@YoureSoVane 2 жыл бұрын
3 v 4 fletch really depends on the vane itself, your arrow stability (difference between center of gravity and center of pressure), and how much the arrow kicks in flight. More vane material pushes center of pressure back. Either with bigger vanes or with more vanes, it's the same.
@ChilleDxFighteR
@ChilleDxFighteR 2 жыл бұрын
It depends for me on what I’m doing or 3 or 4 for hunting it 100% depends on head I’m shooting for flight, but for target with glue in tips I shoot 4 fletch to be more forgiving it gives me slightly smaller groups but I tested this over a full 3D season in practice and didn’t shoot 4 until the last tournament of the year of the ASA’s until I had a ton of info backing up the 4
@mikebarriga
@mikebarriga 7 ай бұрын
You sound like a hater
@mmcguire5687
@mmcguire5687 7 ай бұрын
@@mikebarriga you clearly can’t “read”…..I implied no such thing.
@michaelwitt6242
@michaelwitt6242 11 ай бұрын
Could you do this on bolts for crossbows?
@michaelwitt6242
@michaelwitt6242 11 ай бұрын
Your video is awesome. Thank you for taking your time to do this.
@johnmiller9695
@johnmiller9695 2 жыл бұрын
Great info. Any input as to vane material stiffness? If shooting indoor target with a low draw length and weight, and shorter distances. I took that a large vane would steer the arrow quicker.
@YoureSoVane
@YoureSoVane 2 жыл бұрын
Stiffness relates to speed. Faster arrow, stiffer vane.
@rick31869
@rick31869 2 жыл бұрын
awesome advice as always brother , and the sample pack idea is a great idea !!!
@wanr5701
@wanr5701 2 жыл бұрын
Great information. I trust the same knowledge can be applied for mylar vanes as well.
@timfunk5084
@timfunk5084 2 жыл бұрын
Great video John looking at your box of test arrows an vanes and F.O.C. Looks like mine.lol. I have 7 different bows and have different setup for most of them.
@nockonarchery
@nockonarchery 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, Tim! Sounds like you are putting in the time to dial in your setup!
@timfunk5084
@timfunk5084 2 жыл бұрын
@@nockonarchery Thanks John have learned a lot from your videos. Your release’s are great the Silverback is the best thing an archer should get.
@charlesramey936
@charlesramey936 2 жыл бұрын
Would it be more important to have more surface area of veins than the broad head or have equal surface area but taller veins than the broad head?
@Hydra70964
@Hydra70964 8 ай бұрын
I had to start using AAE Hunter this year. I had a very difficult time getting the max stealth to stick on my .204 arrows. How can I fix that?
@anthonyencarnacion7203
@anthonyencarnacion7203 2 жыл бұрын
Show request; custom pro-archery trucks, or vans.. emphasis on game butchering and seer cooking and overnight camping hunts..
@darcyfloreani9722
@darcyfloreani9722 2 жыл бұрын
I would like you to be more specific when you say long range. Is that more than 60 yards ?
@insightkobra2189
@insightkobra2189 Жыл бұрын
I am somewhat new to archery and have heard from other channels that clocking the spin of your arrow before you fletch is important to insure proper helix direction. Is this a useless step that someone added to look smart or is it actually a crucial step?
@Futurase1
@Futurase1 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT information!!!!
@african7498
@african7498 4 ай бұрын
Good info nicely presented. Thanks
@jasonparks389
@jasonparks389 Жыл бұрын
Do you offset a 4 fletch of fletch them straight ?
@Connordan14
@Connordan14 Жыл бұрын
Just purchased the Pro Max vanes and im using them with the preset jig you sell for a 4 fletch job. is this an ok set up for hunting or should i get bigger/longer vanes?
@coryfranklin4963
@coryfranklin4963 2 жыл бұрын
How do you determine the correct arrow length for fixed broad heads?
@tonyviers-de9qi
@tonyviers-de9qi Жыл бұрын
When you say down range …. What distance? As for helical and losing accuracy….40?, 50,…100?. Would 20 be good to go
@CarolinaNocked
@CarolinaNocked Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown.
@jasonbourgeois8363
@jasonbourgeois8363 Жыл бұрын
Love all your content!! Thank you.
@pumaa7
@pumaa7 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another awesome video! When tuning my bow i noticed it likes to throw a bare shaft counter clockwise, but my arrows are fletched to spin clockwise so at some point the spin direction is reversed when i shoot. Should this be a consideration when fletching arrows or stringing your bow? What you said about the direction you screw a broad head in makes sense. Thanks! -Luke
@MikeJones-vb1me
@MikeJones-vb1me 2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: get the sample pack and put on 1 of each, best of all worlds!
@sinepari9160
@sinepari9160 8 ай бұрын
@ 12:51 is why I now use arrows cut to my draw length
@5MinuteMaj0r
@5MinuteMaj0r 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the “Rule of Thumb” count up to now?
@dxt6
@dxt6 2 жыл бұрын
What size is the green vane
@nickjones4721
@nickjones4721 Жыл бұрын
I understand that decel would cause a drop, but how does it cause inaccuracy?
@benjaminwill9351
@benjaminwill9351 2 жыл бұрын
steer ability? What does he mean?
@shadow1d10t2
@shadow1d10t2 Жыл бұрын
I'm new to archery and haven't been able to get a concise answer on this: do wavey vanes affect accuracy?
@bryancullen7172
@bryancullen7172 Жыл бұрын
Non-expert reply: Yes, but how much depends on many variables including all the things mentioned in the video. Air flowing over a wavy surface acts differently than on a smooth surface and this would necessarily cause a change in stability and rotation, but I don’t know how much of a change this would cause for consistency between the arrows in your quiver. Try shooting/testing an old arrow with the worn/wavy vanes followed by a set of same vanes but in new condition and see what kind of results you get- 30+ yards should show any major differences. Good luck.
@chemengineering926
@chemengineering926 2 жыл бұрын
you hunt with the max or max stealth?
@TheSpeyfisher
@TheSpeyfisher 2 жыл бұрын
John, is there any advantage of moving your vane down the shaft versus a vane that is more toward the nock??????
@chadk3573
@chadk3573 2 жыл бұрын
You want it as far back as possible and achieve clearance at full draw. Make sure the fletchings don't contact your face.
@carlbean8663
@carlbean8663 2 жыл бұрын
Four Fletch on the max 23s has been the best all rounder for my set up. Which is why it's annoying you only sell 40 packs.....can't Fletch a full dozen lol Still won't get em anywhere else though 🤘🤘🤘
@TheSpeyfisher
@TheSpeyfisher 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent John!!!! Vanes are so important most let it slip by there setups. I'm playing with different configurations to see what my bow likes and dislikes?????
@jons7e
@jons7e Жыл бұрын
That PM 2.0 on the new Sonic arrows would be perfect for TAC
@shonnyabud7975
@shonnyabud7975 2 жыл бұрын
How far back or close to the nock is the "best" to fletch?
@brownguy985
@brownguy985 Жыл бұрын
As far back as you can without touching face
@johnsand8495
@johnsand8495 2 жыл бұрын
Have you compared vanes vs feathers
@ericlopez4615
@ericlopez4615 7 ай бұрын
Both are vanes. One vane is made of plastic, the other is made with feathers. "Vane" is the function.
@wadeenicks3938
@wadeenicks3938 2 жыл бұрын
How do I contact you about building a bow for indoor archery? I want to have one built end of august beginning of September!
@bryantrimborn9489
@bryantrimborn9489 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos!
@sanecrazy12
@sanecrazy12 2 жыл бұрын
Great info
@sed6
@sed6 2 жыл бұрын
Do you remember when you could hit the bull's-eye with straight fletch arrows? Decades ago, back before helical or even offset fletch was known? Me too. Helical fletch is bunk or at the most it hides a poorly tuned bow or archer.
@tonyviers-de9qi
@tonyviers-de9qi Жыл бұрын
I’m starting to think that for the most part …. It really doesn’t matter at all. I believe you can take 2 different vanes. One 2”( small ) for target. One bigger for steering a broadhead. They are all the same as far as functionality and virtually no human can shoot better than any of yhem steer. Pick what you like the looks of and go with it because if it shoots good for you….. there is no other vane that will shoot better than what you already have
@mr.skeptical3071
@mr.skeptical3071 3 ай бұрын
Blazers...... done!... Don't make it more difficult than it is
@Th3mast3r69
@Th3mast3r69 2 ай бұрын
Sure thing Clark Griswold
@toddwagoner51
@toddwagoner51 2 жыл бұрын
👍😄😁 DO you like your career? I think I understand.
@timbow50
@timbow50 2 жыл бұрын
Years of experience and acquired knowledge people for real. So all you smart assess with negative comments- what’s your records history in world class competition???
@gus1881
@gus1881 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dud!
@nockonarchery
@nockonarchery 2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@mr.skeptical3071
@mr.skeptical3071 3 ай бұрын
4 fletch is heavy and loud
@brownguy985
@brownguy985 Жыл бұрын
With high foc your arrow doesn’t lose most momentum throughout its entire flight
@thegreat4066
@thegreat4066 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s go!
@anthonyencarnacion7203
@anthonyencarnacion7203 2 жыл бұрын
Show request; please find a nice fitness model with a passing interest in archery to explain all this to.. Jackie Shae, Kris10 Pope, Alley DeAndria..
@MrPokesmot32
@MrPokesmot32 Жыл бұрын
9:40
@MrPokesmot32
@MrPokesmot32 Жыл бұрын
10:57
@MrPokesmot32
@MrPokesmot32 Жыл бұрын
11:43
@zaynemikita6897
@zaynemikita6897 9 ай бұрын
What proof do you actually have that the arrow slows down? Using a Labradar chronograph i have seen no difference in velocity atleast out 60 yards. I honestly think its a old school comment that no one is actually physically testing.
@ericlopez4615
@ericlopez4615 7 ай бұрын
You must have failed high school physics. Even bullets slow down the moment they leave a barrel. And gravity also acts on anything moving through the air. How did you test for velocity at 60 yards? And, the faster an object moves, the faster it slows down.
@Forrext
@Forrext 2 жыл бұрын
Why are my veins hitting my bus cables? Bow is in tune.
@rick31869
@rick31869 2 жыл бұрын
YOU should have that hand symbol you advertise 3d printed as a nock lol , wouldn't that look cool on your arrows ?
@dougblaney-df1rd
@dougblaney-df1rd Жыл бұрын
Damn how did I kill deer in the late 70s with aluminum arrows 5in valves at 38 pounds with a 1816 game getter arrow, I' just have been spacial
@WS_00
@WS_00 11 ай бұрын
Outer spacial?
@muleybuckco
@muleybuckco Жыл бұрын
4 fletch is nothing more than looks to many tests out there that simply prove it.
@quintonb9870
@quintonb9870 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think you understand how math works. Given similar designs, four 3 inch fletches are not the same surface area as three 4 inch fletches. That's like saying two 8 inch pizzas are better than one 15 inch pizza.
@ChadStaufferdrums
@ChadStaufferdrums 2 жыл бұрын
Dud, save some freaking muscle for the rest of us
@jordanpowell228
@jordanpowell228 2 жыл бұрын
That keto has them pecs looking more defined
@ellerybice3787
@ellerybice3787 2 жыл бұрын
👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
@tevo7364
@tevo7364 2 жыл бұрын
Really?
@gus1881
@gus1881 2 жыл бұрын
Why not 4?
@ellerybice3787
@ellerybice3787 2 жыл бұрын
@@gus1881 help yourself 🫴🏾 to as many as you can stomach.
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