Gimmick Characters - Why They're Unpopular | Genshin Impact

[@somethingsandwich]

5:13 that's a weird looking ayato😂

[@harshitjha4392]

lol 🤣😂

[@VarsII]

A moral dilemma: Is it my fault for not catching it when reviewing the first draft or is it my editor's fault for even confusing the two in the first place LMAO

[@Mikaelashotmess]

It's Ur fault ​@@VarsII cause it's never the editors fault

[@gamerpl4995]

@@VarsII Oh, some people are gonna come for your head for this...

[@VarsVerum]

@@Mikaelashotmess True. It's my skill issue and my skill issue alone.

[@juggernaut6666]

The fact that candace isn't a shielder still baffles me. I mean, she carries and uses a shield but doesn't give a shield. Why they won't let a hydro shielder exist is weird.

[@Crunchycrunkybro]

There technically is a hydro shielder... but its in sigewinne c2... so...

[@coffejeliy]

​@@Crunchycrunkybroand hydro travelerLMFAODJJS

[@uglyguy2519]

My guess is that they looked at her and said "she's the first hydro polearm character and the first to offer hydro infusion. This will totally be enough to make her a good unit, right? That's enough innovation for today"

[@Otherface]

​@@Crunchycrunkybro And even then, it only applies to herself while in burst or skill. They really hate hydro shielders for no particular reason.

[@theplantthing872]

​@@Otherfacethe problem with a hydro shielder is that their shield would react with literally everything, it wouldn't last long unless they gave the shield crazy scaling/res

[@Mii_kan]

Emilie does the same thing with burning Navia did with crystalize. Not making the reaction good but using it as a way to buff themselves and I personally think that is great. Considering how easy it is to achieve a burning reaction her damage is always good.

[@Tomy_Lightning]

Chevreuse does the same except she buffs the team instead she didn't make overload better just made use of overload for buffs.

[@budisoemantri2303]

​@@Tomy_LightningChevreuse is more similar to Kazuha, he uses Swirl to buff others while Chevreuse uses Overload instead

[@joeyboldewijn2467]

Tbf i think the problem with emilie was that she was a sub-dps for a archetype with no main dps designed with that archetype but with the release of kinich that might change.

[@madwe2269]

​@@joeyboldewijn2467she also came in with 0 previous characterization and people being salty about her new design. Definitely didn't help

[@wahyuwirawan727]

I do hope the new character buff reaction rather than the buff triggered by said reaction. Like adding more tick on burning, adding frozen duration time, adding additional aoe dmg after superconduct, quadruple stun rate on electro charged, adding chain bloom core properties, increase range and interruption on overload. Could also add other reactions after the reaction.

[@SingingGinge]

Candace was a crime and a waste. One of the most beautifully designed characters and yet she was a 4-star with a kit that no one needs or asked for... :(

[@ambervaldez4844]

Yes!

candace and kaveh got done so dirty

[@karolinedemon]

True i just cant build her to be useful

[@GameBreaker1055]

What I don ot understand about Candace... They already had a counter strike type skill with Beidou, so why did they just make a worse version of it for Candace?

[@buttermanaws4693]

Honestly i do feel like a big problem with a lot of the older gimmick characters is that the devs didn't really know how good the characters would actually be especially for the long run so they kept the numbers low which caused the gimmick to be seen as bad, it wasn't really until faruzan where they basically decided to give her the numbers to be viable, but thats also a different problem because it just kinda shows that for these gimmicks to be on par they needed bigger numbers to stand a chance

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

Cough cough gorou

[@biggestouf]

It's not just numbers. Enemies have become more annoying and unfun over the years. Venti is probably the best example. He has the niche of sucking things in, but enemies outside of the first 2 regions have super high poise monsters.

[@baanfrey]

I mean, that’s how you make niches good. Meta works because the baseline mechanics that created the meta are very strong. Niche strats/builds are niche because they’re not as strong or easy to use as the meta to begin with. So to make a niche worth using they have to be bumped up to near meta numbers or made more accessible.

[@Danny_B13]

​@@RandomPerson-cf3gt Gorou's numbers are actually pretty good tho, him not being used is more of an itto being underwhelming and Noelle working better as a Furina/Yela driver than as a hypercarry. The worst out of the "element specific" supports is Sara, and by a big margin.

[@ruy7164]

​@@Danny_B13being a worse buffer for Raiden at C5 is such a fucking meme.

[@FormerEmiliaBestWifi]

Gimmick characters like Shenhe can be the very best of that gimmick but the issue is that they are, well, gimmicky aka niche, so they fit into less team variants and so they have less value to pull for for most people, unless you really like that particular gimmicky playstyle, or if they actually made that gimmick less gimmicky.

[@Danny_B13]

Well, for starters they should start being less afraid of putting decent numbers on gimmick units then. I love shenhe, but unless she's C6 she's only a cryo-specific sidegrade to more universal supports. Sara unless C6 is strictly worse than fischl in every possible team, and even at C6 she's again, a sidegrade to other options. Same happens with Yunjin or Candace. Gorou, Nilou and Faruzan are the only older units who are actually above everyone at their niche. And in Gorou's case other units trying to fill his niche are just much worse than him (looking at you itto and albedo). At least they seem to not be afraid to give actually good numbers nowadays. With characters like Xianyun and Emilie being able to create a niche and also carry those niche teams.

[@kaifighter33]

Gimmick

[@jex-the-notebook-guy1002]

Furina's hp mechanic is ballance. You sacrifice half of your health for easy hydro application. You can heal it to negate the hp loss and also boost the buff of her burst. And because of this you can buff your dmg with an artifact set.

[@tomokocchikuroki6200]

It would be balanced if the healing was full team and not active character tho.

[@123leyang321]

@@tomokocchikuroki6200 She can make single target heals from other characters splash onto the party, and she has access to full party heal coming from herself at C6. If her full party healing was part of her base kit she'd be beyond broken and wouldn't have made so many strong healers relevant. By all means, in co-op you don't need a healer when using her because she can heal the entire party, so you can already see how broken she becomes then.

[@toxicfx_nuhaad9175]

​@@tomokocchikuroki6200 in what world is that considered balanced? She would basically impose on multiple other characters' niches at C0, and be a complete powercreep of Mona in every possible way (Mona's just barely hanging on rn). A teamwide healing effect would make her: an artifact set enabler, a full teamwide healer, an entire party wide damage buffer, and a very consistently high off-field damage dealer with 100% skill uptime. She would start competing with Kokomi rather than being used alongside her, and would make Xianyun, Jean, Baizhu and Mika less useful as well. Sigewinne would basically just become completely irrelevant if she wasn't already. Furina's current kit design gave healers a new role and gave a reason for players to choose healing over shielding. With a single change like this, the reverse would happen and healers would lose so much of their current value.

[@nyes4596]

​@@tomokocchikuroki6200 That would literally make her be unable to be powercrept seeing how she'll literally able to solo the abyss while not being a main dps

[@Baby8Stef]

​@@tomokocchikuroki6200 too OP, the rest of the healers will lose value.

[@ryuk6795]

the fact that xiangling have been the only good off field pyro applicator for 4 years of release is insane Edit:- I play both genshin and wuwa( almost cleared majority of content in both games) So i comment for both genshin and wuwa related content and Xiangling and Xiangli yao have same begining letter and due to my habit of fast writing and not reading again made me mix them up so sorry about that No need to fight in comment just enjoy both or single game as you want

[@kaolincloud]

Isn't Xiangli an on field electro DPS? Edit: fuck they edited the comment

[@kazene5235]

@@kaolincloud whatchu trippin on dawg

[@tomokocchikuroki6200]

@@kaolincloud Bro thinking of the wrong game, wtf.

[@_Yuputka_]

​@@kaolincloudxiangli is xiangling, the pyronado + guoba Who were you thinking of with xiangli Kuki? Yae? Fischl? Beidou? Those are the off field electro chars

[@umigainsborough1]

@@kaolincloud You're thinking of Xiangli Yao aren't you?

[@danielferrieri7434]

Emily should’ve been released somewhere during Sumeru, shouldn’t be released as the last new character before a brand new region.

[@kawaiimika7974]

Why?

[@dankmemes9548]

Most People didn't pull for emelie because they were saving up for natlan characters.

[@alexrosette596]

Well, she's clearly made to be one of Kinich's best teammate, and she also works great with Mualani for burning/vape. Since the pyro archon is obviously going to have great synergy with Natlan units, Emilie seems to have released strategically at the end of Fontaine for the upcoming meta.

[@danielferrieri7434]

@@kawaiimika7974Sumeru is where we got Dendro and its reactions. We got characters that work great for Bloom, Aggro-Spread and Burgeon. So why not add a character that goes great with Burning.

[@kawaiimika7974]

​@@dankmemes9548 Ok? You can just pull her later. Like me 😀 Doesn't make her a failed experiment 😞

[@mactartaglia]

i feel like people prefer characters that can clear content without much trouble, opposite of gimmick characters(they can still clear any content but need lots of investment and specific supports)

[@silverjuly9339]

I agree. After covid, I'd prefer to go out and spend more time outside in real life, but I still can't let go Genshin. So, between building a new gimmick character or travelling in real life, I'd rather build a Meta chara strong so that I can clear content in less time so that I can travel more and do more fun things in real life. And also prioritising career.

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

Building characters has become tedious. You have to farm for artifacts, only to get bad ones. You need to level them up, only for them to roll into bad stats. And you can only farm the character's materials on specific days. And you are very limited by resin. I don't have so much time, so I'd rather pull for versatile meta characters like yelan, kazuha and furina.

[@luckytanuki5449]

​@@Emmanuel_RochaThis is an excellent example. The game actively discourages you from trying new things like building up a gimmick character by time gating progress. Why spend a couple months building a gimmick character who may ultimately not even be that good in the end, when you can build up a by default strong character that you KNOW will be strong, and also versatile. It ends up being a waste of so much time to invest in gimmick characters.

[@chiarasuper]

Or hear me out, hot take, a great part of the 'gimmick characters' are four star, and usually, they are very mid expect for the 1.0 one and rare expections like Shinobu. I personally try to use limited 5* characters

[@agiant5715]

​​@@luckytanuki5449god damn true. As a recent personal example, I got keqing from the free 5 star selector as I dont have any other candidate for an electro aggravate onfield dps but because I'm still building the new shark girl and emile who I got last patch, I dont have enough resin to even attempt to build her yet. And with the rumored natlan buffer thats coming in ver 5.1 there is probably a very good chance I wouldn't have spare resin during it as well building her. And thats with me being a BP user so I atleast get more talent books and fragile resin (which tbh i tend to save intill I have to grind boss mats not for artfiacs) than the average player. I get the "resin locked behind time" mechanic is so that players don't burnout from the game too fast but it feels even mega whales now skip gimmick characters or atleast keep them at lvl 1 because the time investment is huge.

[@stealthyhipo4813]

I can almost guarantee that Emilie will become WAY more used on her rerun. I have her and she hits like an absolute truck, an easy to build unit that slots easily into Pyro teams

[@ajamajamon993]

The hate on her gimmick is so forced 😂 i have her too and i loved her! For a game with an endgame content like abyss and theater she just feels good to have. The problem with emilie right now is there isn't much dedicated burn support to help her damage go higher

[@ruy7164]

​​@@ajamajamon993nah, her main sin is that she wants Xiangling, and another dendro. I would have liked her to have higher dendro app so she could be solo dendro on burgeon, that way making burgeon really strong although still not yet nilou strong (maybe adding a buff ot burgeon explosions?). Another detaiI I checked in simulations and her teams damage isn't as good as Fischl on single target but is better on aoe. Kinich seems to be good better for pyro + burn and although Emilie fits with Kinich she isn't always an upgrade.

[@imo098765]

@@ruy7164 I wonder what the pyro archon is going to do or Xilolen

[@jojibinge7336]

she is great i dont understand the hate

[@ruy7164]

@@jojibinge7336 She is good, the problem is that if you play her, you aren't playing Xiangling at her best and Xiangling outdamages her. So you would end up better by just playing Xiangling instead. Kinich is not yet up in simulators so I haven't been able to simulate that yet. Also Mavuikia is probably going to be a huge improvement for her.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

I think Emilie is fine and it’s just the Kuki situation again and even Cyno/Nilou to a lesser extent. They released them a little before the mechanic they fit in us used in full force. Making a dendro burning character right before Natlan just makes it obvious her best units aren’t here yet.

[@AmataTai]

Emilie and Dehya give such a consistent burning aura that my Mualani just destroys everything~ very fun

[@Xiaueng]

Who is the 4th member of the team?

[@AmataTai]

@@Xiaueng often Furina for the hydro respnance- but in healer mode more of the time. Kirara when I need shielding. But I reaaaaally want Xilonen for my fourth

[@remy5540]

4th member could also be nahida with prototype amber to consolidate healing and give mualani an added EM buff for her vapes i personally play emilie/dehya/nahida/mualani and she bit through the new abyss with ease

[@AmataTai]

@@remy5540 Definitely worth it when I get her

[@ramsical]

Emilie does more than just dmg…she makes an otherwise deadly reaction viable and gives potential for super consistent vapes and melts. She is honestly one of the most well designed characters and I feel ppl are going to regret skipping.

[@legendaryhyo]

amen!!!

[@Felix048]

Burning has always been useful, it's just that there aren't really much characters who can use it. It used to be just Ganyu. Now it has Emilie and Kinich to be reliant on it, and Mualani who wants active pyro aura as long as possible.

[@Henry-xs6kt]

Monke see candace, monke clicks

[@SHAdow98V]

Monke clicks and see Candace, monke happy 😂😂

[@Verlassen13]

your position on Emilie would have made sense if this video came out before natlan. She makes both Mualani and Kinich so much better, the only people trying to downplay her are the ones who skipped her and are just coping with that fact.

[@cecilepup]

Candace may be gimmicky/niche but she’s still my fav 🤭🫶🏾

[@animegirl8497]

The worse part about Emilie’s situation is that I don’t think that many people even had a problem with her being gimmicky. It’s just that everyone collectively hated her official design, especially compared to her concept designs 😭

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Even though the concept showed she was so depressed she was about to jump off a cliff at a moments notice. And a mod that exists KEPT THIS EXPRESSION!

[@itsthosehours]

Emilie is one of the most op characters i have honestly😭

[@isnitjustkit]

I personally love gimmick characters, on-field Beidou, Heizou, Kaveh, Sethos, they're all really really fun and not as bad as people say they are

[@isnitjustkit]

Also Knich isn't out for another 2 hours you liar >:(

[@thechannelisdeadalongtimea9143]

​@@isnitjustkit he is out in asia server

[@Tm-dy2bp]

on an individual basis NO character is bad but when compared to other units especially the most powerful teams then yes yes they are that bad. It can be the difference between struggling with a fight to one button press move on with life depending on how built they are. Especially when we talk about amount of resources needed just to get them to a fraction of the meta teams power. Most people dont want to farm weeks to months just to get a fraction vs spend a day or less to get way more. (all luck but point still stands) Also who says beidou is bad i just want to talk to them? o_o

[@kuroha231]

Nah they're bad

[@floormaurits]

Exactly!

[@stannmixx22]

Gimmicks give the game variety which it badly needs. Everything feels repetitive and you even talked a bit about that topic in past videos

[@dinocharlie1]

I think this is a good video to address weak vs strong character design, but I think you're completely mising the point of gimmick. A gimmick in my opinion is a character that relies on a mechanic not intrinsic to normal gameplay. For example Arlecchino relying on bond of life for damage is a gimmick along with every natlan character and their new resource. Relying on burning, I wouldn't call a gimmick since using elemental reactions is a key component of the game. It's definitely niche for sure and i think this video is perfect to describe niche characters, but very few of these are actually gimmicky

[@AevyCh]

Yunjin needs someone who can make use of her 90 wasted stacks. Her Burst grants EVERYONE 30 independent stacks, but only your on-fielder can use them currently. If they ever release an off-fielder that have their damage being considered as Normal ATK damage, then Yunjin's value will rise up alongside them.

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

it's sad. gimmick characters are so fun but also often rarely used. sayu really is just made to be a filler 4 star gimmick character, and then very quickly powercrept immediately by future gimmick characters, both 4 stars and 5 stars.

[@darylewalker6862]

You got Candace’s kit wrong. Her Burst boosts ALL elemental-laced Normal attacks, including ones that are immune to her Hydro infusion. Instead of being the most useless for catalyst users, Candace can be the most awesome. She doesn’t boost Charge attacks, so only Yoimiya and Aloy (and Tartaglia? Sethos?) can use Candace’s boost among archers.

[@vixel6415]

I wanted to mention this 😭😭😭, afaik her strongest use atm is with other hydro users like ayato and mualani because she can both proc an NA buff (which they both use) and allow resonance to occur. I imagine tho she’ll be powercrept in mualani teams eventually due to her off-field bursts being a little frustrating to make sure pyro stays on the enemies.

[@SlimeImpact.]

I Personally think Emilie Is soo good character.... Before making any conclusion, i would say just wait for pyro archon , emilie will buff the burning reaction like she did with kinich and with archon she would be insane for sure... by the way my emilie deals 70k per hit so for me , she is so strong character

[@AlwaysThirstys]

Btw my xiangling did 84k vapes in spiral abyss with sucrose national.

[@SlimeImpact.]

@@AlwaysThirstys Bruh.... I Deal 90k with Xiangling.... She is just hidden 5 star character... And I talk about Emilie single hit damage with her skill... Her skill run throughout the multiple waves ... So combined she deal millions of damage... With 3 hit she deal... 200k damage.... She is broken...and in Buring she is beast... My favourite reaction is vaporise, and because of her ...my 2nd fav is burning......in place of Hyperbloom...

[@aboard76]

the burning reaction plays more of an enabler reaction rather than a damage oriented reaction. mark my words -- emilie will eventually rise to the levels of yelan in terms of her strength due to her strong dendro application and bonus damage on top of it. despite the lack of EM buffs, she proves to be a better teammate to mualani than nahida could, or in rare occasions (though probably not best in slot) pair nahida with Emilie and a pyro unit to pair with mualani. (this pyro unit can be mavuika when she releases to trigger nightsoul burst and scroll set). Overall, Emilie has similar strengths to that of Yelan in the sense that Natlan units are clearly oriented towards reacting with Pyro, and since Burning is the enabler of those reactions, Emilie puts out a ton of damage. Emilie is gimmicky in this sense, and I believe its a Kuki situation where many of her teams haven't reached their full potential due to the lack of Natlan characters. Kachina for instance, has no synergy with Kinich, yet Kinich wants his A4 to trigger with another party member triggering nightsoul burst, only mualani can do that, I don't have to explain why she's a bad teammate for Kinich. Hence, Emilie works in the sense that she serves as a damage amplification to the enabler element, and I believe to be a far stretch to call her gimmicky for now.

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

I thought night soul burst just need to have a naltan characters + elemental dmg?

[@lonestargazer8541]

Agreed! Funnily enough, I don't even think that Emilie is that gimmicky. She slots nicely in Hu Tao, Lyney, Wriothesley, and Mualani teams. She basically goes well in almost any team which uses Bennett... and that's a lot of teams LOL

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

And I thought both mualuani and dendro emo boy are main DPSs?

[@Tomy_Lightning]

She's also a really good support for Wriothesley though the lack of an em buff might look bad it give him a support that works in wave content unlike Nahida.

[@lucyxmob]

nahh her dendro app is just ok, similar to yao2. her damage is very good tho

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Hear me out... Phys revival needs 3 support drops: phys shred, and an appropriate healer. maybe one that applies some hydro

[@chainsow47]

To revive physics, we need a rebalance of the superconductor, shatter, the creation of physical buffers like Shenhe, Chevreuse or Nilou, as well as changes to the mechanics of physical damage that could ignore enemy shields. Physical should reduce defense, ignore most shields or deal huge damage to them and most importantly: Physical should have a concept of a normal team when all 4 units can mutually support each other within the team, dealing total consistent damage.

[@FlyingNinjaish]

This feels like it's a very forced video with regard to Emilie. Like "Sub DPS characters only add damage (but don't cost field time)" isn't really saying anything at all, it's just the definition of that role. Especially when the comparison is Xiangling, who also needs one specific pyro character in order to function (Bennett) and isn't supporting the team with Pyro application if she is Vaporizing all of her hits, which is what provides a huge portion of her damage potential. Overall, I don't think Fontaine has had a gimmick character who has truly failed the way e.g Kaveh did (maybe Fremminet with his Shatter thing?).

[@cleod7439]

Bro, Emilie is the only subdps who only give dmg. Xiangling: pyro app Yelan: hydro app + buff to onfielder Nahida: dendro app + Em to the onfielder Kuki: healing Fischl: electro app + energy generation Xingchiu: hydro app + interruption res Yae: works as a carry + electro app (onfield) Furina: hydro app + buff + enable marachausse set That's why Emilie is mid, cause she only do dmg, and out of burning she have the same dendro app of dendro traveler, so having the option of using Emilie, and only being able to play burning (a dead reaction), or every other subdps and being able to use them as dps or as support, well, there's a clear win. Btw xiangling dosent "need" bennet as a support for pyro app, i don't know who told you that xiangling is bennet dependent to be used but is not.

[@FlyingNinjaish]

@@cleod7439 @cleod7439 You missed Chiori, and if Xianling is applying Pyro, she isn't vaping all of her hits so her damage is poor. Without snapshoting bennett's circle her only value is that there are no good off-field Pyro applicators. She is superficially better in spreadsheet-land where you can pretend Guoba hits things with some level of reliability. Yae is literally just damage, Xinqiu (who you spelled wrong, FYI) is a support with some damage, as is Kuki. Is Furina better? Obviously, she's the best character in the game.

[@shotsfrom9180]

@@FlyingNinjaish You just back-tracked in your own logic then...his point was that while Emilie isn't bad, there is no reason to use her gimmick over something better. If the one character that is supposed to work well with her (Kinich) needs Bennett and Xiangling (who you spelled wrong, FYI in your first sentence) then why in the bloody hell would you use Emilie over Furina (who you admitted to being the best character in the game also, FYI). It's not rocket science at the end of the day bud. lmao

[@kokomicrunch5179]

​@@shotsfrom9180Furina is gonna mess with the burning aura. It is as if you are playing Vape Furina at that point and not Kinich.

[@AlwaysThirstys]

@@FlyingNinjaish Damage is poor? Even without vapes in mono pyro she provides similar damage to emily, with vapes she simply blows emily out of the water and outclasses her. Also bennet is used in about 60% of genshins teams, so like navia and arlecchino being tied to him isn't that worrisome, especcially considering bennet v2 is coming which making xiangling stronger, also it's not fiar to say there are no good pyro applicators because xiangling simply has 1.2 second applications in a massive aoe that has 70% uptime. That is amazing, there are good ones like deyha but it's simply not comparable. Also in spreadsheet data you don't consider double hits and AOE doesn't matter so idk if you are high or what.

[@x3AnimeFanXD]

I love my Emily and I don't regret pulling her and her weapon. I'm not sure how she performs without her R1 but in my experience she is capable of clearing the Spiral Abyss. She gave me reason to use my Thoma and Dehya again and pair her with characters like Wriothesley. I catch myself looking forward to playing her teams. It's less about wanting a DPS but a reason to play a specific reaction imo just like how Chevreuse brings fun to the Overload playstyle.

[@joeltoomer3332]

I have a f2p weapon on my Emilie and without her full set and she does ridiculous amount of damage. I love using her with my yoimiya she’s so good

[@BananaFlavouredPants]

@@joeltoomer3332 Yeah, I'm getting some of my fastest and most brain dead clears with her. whilst it's not a buff the damage/duration/range of her skill feels like a huge utility next to the other turret characters.

[@AlwaysThirstys]

@@joeltoomer3332 her best f2p is missive, being a massive 39% dropoff from her signiture. Her second best is calamity qweller which is 19% off of her signiture. Putting this into context neuv who has the previous largest difference between f2p and weapon only had a 29% difference between weapon and sig. (Sig is set to 100% for the data)

[@joeltoomer3332]

@@AlwaysThirstys um ok then

[@daltongibson1033]

People are underestimating Emilie DRAMATICALLY, and I blame it entirely on the fact that people treat Ayaka as the only viable Cryo unit. Emilie makes Reverse Melt immensely more accessible, since she's a much lower investment cost than Xiangling. Reverse Melt teams for Ganyu, Wriothesley, Rosaria, etc. are going to become so much better and less restrictive now that Emilie is an option, which could easily be enough to revitalize Cryo.

[@ganyumaindayone1112]

Émilie Can wear the dendro set to reduce the enemy res for kinich for example so she IS still a bit more supportive than a chiori

[@kwnbi]

Though the candace take is valid. She has a place (IN c6) as solo hydro for arle since the hydro app is enough and the normal atk bonus is nice. The damage is said to be better than yelan since yelan needs to be built up. But that's it tho :)

[@kwnbi]

also, furina is "not good" per se for arlecchino bcs her fanfare build up is very slow bcs arle doesnt want to heal.

[@jinsoulsscalp]

Emilie is definitely not a failed gimmick, same with Yunjin. Yes she’s not the absolute strongest buffer, but she works as intended, and well at that

[@kantannakoto]

The argument that both she and Kinich are personal damage dealers is also kinda dumb, given that Kinich is on-field while Emelie is off field, they don’t eat into each others time

[@pr0ntab]

​@@kantannakotothey're designed to be used together 🎉

[@agiant5715]

I feel your missing the point a bit with what vars said. Shes she is a very amazing offield dps even at c0r0 which is what I have her in and not at all complaining about the damage output but praising it. And yes for kinich shes gonna be the best teammade choice for now. But thats not because shes that good but mainly due to kinich having few other viable teammates in the current support character rooster. Furina's offield hydro application would mess with his burning so shes out. There is no direct dendro dmg buffer like what kazhua does for pyro/electro/cyro/hydro. Even whats usually the best dendro support nahdia isnt that good for kinich as her EM buff does nothing for him. What makes a character utility amazing isnt just the damage but all the other roles they can do for the team. Like how furina applies hydro application +buffing + some offield dmg. Or how yelan does the same. Fischl with being an amazing battery and high electro application. Basically what I mean is that emile atm only provides kinich team with high offield dmg + being a dendro energy battery for him so if lets say some dendro dmg buffer is released in the future, even if they had basically 0 personal dmg potential, they would still replace emile in almost all furture kinich teams. What I am saying is that now the meta has advanced so much compared to ver 1 that just being a great offield dps isnt enough for a character tobe a so called top tier or at the very least "not gimmicky". TLDR: yes vars quite underestimated her potential but his point about her role in a team conflicting with the onfield dps is vaild as a future more roles covering character may easily replace her

[@cleod7439]

Yeah, being a "whatever" unit is what we called a fail gimmick (like with Yunjin, who i didn't even remember it was genshin character until now)

[@jinsoulsscalp]

@@cleod7439 neither of them is a “whatever” unit. And just because YOU don’t remember Yunjin, doesn’t mean she’s bad 💀

[@anyaaa2801]

I'm so sad of what they did with Candice. They could have made her niche pr whatever but made her the BEST at said niche. Now she's just meh everywhere.

[@1ncredibleFella]

You’re not mentioning the non-gameplay circumstances for Emilie too, like how she was released right before Natlan and she had no story relevance prior. Why would I pull for a character that was never hyped or cool in the story and right before a new region

[@jackierob2885]

On top of that, a lot of people didn’t like her design because it didn’t look like her concept art so she barely had a chance from the start

[@Milchzahndose]

@@jackierob2885 plus I feel like her english voice lines are really boring and lowkey annoying ... "fresh and floral" in her burst, for instance, is like nails scratching on a chalkboard

[@joeltoomer3332]

@@Milchzahndoseok that’s just nitpicking and you know it. There’s worse voice lines in the game like yae miko

[@Milchzahndose]

@@joeltoomer3332 it just adds to my dislike of her. And I don't necessarily consider this nitpicking because skill and burst voicelines are practically the only voice lines a character has in the long run. Idk why you bring up Yae, it's not about her rn and no one said anything about her voicelines not being annoying too. Personally, I like Yae's story/character and so on which alleviates the voice line part for me.

[@mysticfox5764]

I love xinyan so much it actually cause's me real pain

[@Frazzled_Chameleon]

My Dehya slaps. I know a lot of people didn't even give her the time of day, but she features in a lot of my teams.

[@vintervw8854]

compared to meta unit i always look foward to the new gimmick character cause to me even if they are mud water level of usable, they feel more fun...yeah every enemy gonna become a damage sponge but they give me more joy of building a team like finding the little synergy and stuff. another kind of gimmick i wanna see is status like petrify with zhongli, a status that is unique only to one character, not to good it become meta but good enough to have its own presence

[@itz_andi9691]

Tbh emilie is fine as she is and more often than not may just be better for kinich that furina (although thats highly debatable) But on the case of candace i think ur just wrong...? The buff she gives may not seem much but it actually does enough and she opens up f2p team slots for MANY accounts Need a good nilou team? Nilou nahida, yaoyao and candace and use yaoyao onfield only candace enables this and its actually a really good team. Also she has like PERFECT synergy with Arlecchino tbh, her is able to vape all vap able attacks AND canadace still gives her atleast 30% NA bonus which could easily go to 40%

[@Abby-dc6is]

Eep, error at 5:24. Picture of Al haitham and not ayato 💔

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

Eep error. It's at 5:13 not 5:24

[@Hinikk]

4:55 bro used Vars I terms 😭🙏

[@dachosens1]

i doubt mavuika will be solely focused on burning or region locking, and will definitely have a kit slottable in many teams, not sure though, but will definitely help round out the kinich emilie team mavuika will need to be general enough to be used in many comps but also flexible to slot into many different gimmiks while avoiding the archetypes of other archons

[@Monteiro2520]

Many characters are added to the game just for the sake of adding characters, numbers. Dehya is a good example, they needed one more 5* character to be added to the perm banner so they made a character that doesn't take from meta. You have that number of meta characters that everyone will be exited to pull, create hype and more people will invest more aggressively

[@RaffoPhantom]

I still can pull for Mualani so I call false advertisement! Sentence: Execution by Pyronado. Also they >could< go back and puff older characters. They just don't want to.

[@ibrahim5463]

When you look at it every charechter has a gimmick, but some are done masterfully and the other is done terribley case and point hydro traveller and neuvillete

[@Digbigbombig]

I dont really agree either the knich argument there. Sure you can buff his damage, more as opposed to having an off field damage dealer but that means your rotations are more reliant on him and his artifacts quality is what matters the most. On top of that this means you dont have supports available on the other side of abyss. There is always an opportunity cost in using a unit, and using furina over emilie means you wont have furina or bennet on the otherside. Furina bennet are the most high demand supports in the game right beside kazuha, you cant just slap them in teams and not lose something on the other side. Even if the personal damage on knich is better with furina the overall team samage is still competitive with emilie and allows you to run furina on the other side with neuvillette for example which benefits a lot more from having her than knich does. Also showing furina as an option for arlechinno over candace is crazy lol Candace is probably the 3 best hydro option after xingqiu yelan for arlechinno and probably the best in aoe at C6 ofc

[@LeoLikesLamb]

Your videos butter My biscuits thank you

[@youknowshum8846]

Yo I watched you when I played league I hit Dimond and stoped played after 12 years, and now I play genshin and didn’t know you made videos here hell yeah

[@TrueSargent]

I think the one nice thing about Emilie is that she's dendro so while it's not as crazy a buff as Furina, you still get the resonance buff on Kinich hypercarry teams. In doing so, you also get the ability to splash Furina on other teams where she is also just as welcome if not more welcome.

[@burgermeister8261]

Usually I'm with you but this video seems like a lot of grasping at straws. It isn't a bad thing that a character boosts damage, literally EVERYTHING in this game is at the goal of doing damage. Baizhu has great healing, sure, but would he be considered that good if his dendro application wasn't amazing? That dendro application is to do damage, Kazuha's VV shred is to do damage, so I don't see how it's a failing on Emilie's part that burning increases her damage. Sure, it is a selfish damage increase, but it is clear she has the damage to contend with everyone else, so I can't see why it is a failing. Candace and Yunjin aren't bad because of their own personal failings, but just because the buff they give is just not necessary, whereas Emilie is amazing because the buff she gets is easy to pull off and does a shit ton. Just because Emilie requires a reaction doesn't mean she is a failed gimmick character with her numbers and her application being considered, ESPECIALLY in a post Natlan world.

[@TJF588]

Emilie does provide reduction of damage taken by Burning on your own characters, so she does provide some mitigation for her token niche.

[@shoiko]

My main team is Arlechino / navia / Emilie/ furina or Barbra and it’s super fun burst field chaos and I get a great shield homing pets and off field homing missles and arlechino explodes everything And by the time she trips her skill it’s time to reburst

[@shoiko]

Barbra swap for comfort

[@inversepie6512]

Xiangling Impact is my favorite game. Just imagine if we get a 5 star version of her like we did for Xingqiu oh boy

[@AlwaysThirstys]

But the 5 star is worse acording to alot of cc's like zyox, zagef, etc.

[@lunasquib]

To me gimmicks make characters fun, it’s not meta though but making a cryo main dps with chongyun is so much fun

[@trollar8810]

Ngl i regret not pulling emilie, she seems very good and i've been impressed by the trail one, given it is against enemies shes good against, but still. The only reason i did not pull was well, 5.0 was coming, i didnt know how good natlan chars would be and overall it was a safer option to skip

[@KittyNatiquinha]

1:26 Ayo where's Diona in this tier list 😰

[@MrProdigy810]

Emilie came out on the edge of 5.0, a completely new area with new and exciting characters coming in the next patch. I'd say it's unfair to say her gimmick doesn't work. I'd also say i. Kinich's case, it's probably better to use thoma dehya over xiangling to take a lot less burning damage that you'll inevitably get, and because with you swinging around and her tornado orbiting you, you could potentially hit the nado a lot less than you usually would. So yes, you COULD use the extra damage she brings, as well as the boost from the dendro shred set

[@AlwaysThirstys]

Just saying dyeha is always worse than xiangling. Also if the tornado stops then if it's ont eh emey you get a massive dps increase and if you are going the other way then same thing. In the end it averages out to xiangling dealing slightly more damage than normal with kiniche.

[@MrProdigy810]

@@AlwaysThirstys after playing with both i can say: it does not average out. Xiangling is a huge dmg boost but if you want to maximize your potential you have to steer in a way that tornado always hits. You can actually hit the ult more with kinich than others but it takes meticulous timing. And good battery too. Dehya is way more comfortable, can slot the dendro set to boost his dmg, and provide great defensive utility

[@PyroAquaVentusDragon]

Not discrediting and disagreeing at all with the main point that candacd is a bad gimmick character but technically speaking candace can be used with catalyst and bow characters so long as she is c6. The characters just need to deal elemental damage on their normal attacks to gain the effects. At this point the gimmick is still bad because ontop of unused hydro application she becomes a xingqiu or yelan with more work and more steps. So if anything being constellation locked makes her even more of a gimmick unit .

[@TheJH1015]

Candace literally works amazingly on Nilou Bloom teams, and she's better than Furina in Arlecchino teams because Furina makes Arlecchino even frailer than she already is because of the fact Arle can only heal through her own burst. Candace gives AoE Hydro apllication meaning more Vape chances without stealing vapes on top of it. For the rest, that's the entire issue with Candace's kit: Hoyo keeps making onfielders with non-overridable self-infusion, meaning her Hydro Infusion is useless. We need more characters like Razor that have their elemental damage NOT come from direct weapon hits but from a coordinated attacking entity. Other than that, both Candace and Yun Jin suffer from the fact that Hoyo was WAY too conservative with their buff multipliers. If Candace's buff had been similar to Yelan's (50%-ish total compared to Candace's 25%-ish) you could make a case of using her over Yelan or Xingqiu because Candace applies AoE hydro and not single target like the others. Same for Yun Jin, at C5 her power buff is roughly on par with C5 Bennett and she does not have the caveat of being limited to Circle Impact, and at C6 she pulls slightly ahead or is roughly equal to C6 Bennett iirc, but even then... with a Pyro DPS unit like Yoimiya, Pyro Resonance is a massive win. So Yun Jin's multipliers should have been a LOT higher from base to account for that.

[@朕是神]

I find it ironic that you pick Cheveruse as the example of just right amount of power. She is the very first character I thought of when you mentioned too much power will introduce power creep. FFS her damage buffs is stronger than even the great and mighty Bennet all by herself, AND she saves a slot usually used for VV swirl support so you can get more damage buffer, i.e. Bennet+Sara.

[@mothersday1869]

one thing I like playing with gimmick/niche character is to assert my dominance in co-op, like everytime I nilou everyone change to dendro or hydro and it worked every single time, the same thing also happened with emilie

[@0osaka]

I have a super comfy team of healer Furina, Emilie, Dehya and Mualani. The constant burn makes Vape easy and Furina's skill doesn't mess up Mua's application with her own hydro.

[@kiaras.6493]

Last month I pulled Kazuha after years of skipping him in favour for character I love more... that are most of the time pretty niche. I thought, it's time to elevante my accounts value a bit and increase my team possibilities with a strong unit such as him. Only after I got him I noticed that despite being such a universally good character he does absolutely not fit into ANY of my teams. There are teams where he could be a substitute, but he would never do the job as good as my niche characters. Since the day I started Genshin I progressively built and account with niche units without noticing. I struggled with events that required me to be able to build multiple teams because evryone was molded to fit to a specific team constellation and they do significally worse without them. I try to get a few universally good characters now. After I pulled Kazuha, I also pulled Raiden for the first time now 😅 Before that, Zhongli was my only archon I had for years. Here are the teams I play: Main team - reverse melt Wriothesley C1 Shenhe C0 Xiangling C1 (please bless me with her cons) Bennett C5 Quicken Alhaitham C0 Raiden C0 (It was Fischl before) Yaoyao C1 (I am going to pull for Nahida soon) Xingqiu C5 Tazer Heizou C1 Beidou C6 Fischl C5 Xingqiu C5 Nuke (Geo-vape) Zhongli C2 Ningguang C6 Mona C1 Bennett C5 Freeze Kaeya C4 Chongyun C1 Kazuha/ Shenhe C0 x2 Xingqiu C5 Not used right now because they aren't optimal: Anemo plunge Hypercarry Xiao C0 Faruzan C1 (Cons please) Thoma C6 Bennett C5 (Xianyun hopefully in the future) Vape-plunge Gaming C1 Kazuha C0 (Xianyun in the future) Xingqiu C5 Bennett C5 I definitely need a hydro and a pyro support because my teams require either Bennett or Xingqiu 😢 I hope Mavuika will be a support. Maybe Xilonen will be a good sub as well despite being geo. She will release soon, we'll have to wait until then. I am thinking of building Gorou for my geo team but I have to look up if it is worth it in combination with Nigguang. 😅 I'd also like to get Xianyun in the future for Xiao Hypercarry. My best teams right now are #1 Wriothesley reverse melt #2 Alhaitham quicken #3 Heizou Tazer & Zhongli-Ning nuke The third place is already complicated because in short term Heizou tazer is stronger but in long term they'll die while in short term the nuke team is a bit too slow to put out the dmg for time limits and in long term they are the most indestructable + also being able to put out good enough dmg to not be frustrating (go to for hard local legends) Wriothesley is the most selfsustaining so even though he isn't an easy travel character, aside feom ice bridge, he is still my go to overworld character especially in coop because I only need him to put out quick and good dmg plus self healing. Only cryo resistance is an obstacle 😅

[@SeveredWorldLore]

I don't even have all the top tier characters in order to follow whatever is considered meta. Not that I even go for characters specifically for strength anyway. I tend to try for characters I like, have fun gameplay mechanics, or big sister characters. That roller blading chick is already on my hit list. If I knew Siegwinn or whatever her name is was Melusine, I would've tried for her. But Candace seems to works well paired up with Ayato. She has elemental gaurd point for defense utility. Switch tech application set up with her burst, and both characters benefits from the team hydro buff. She contributes more than just damage to a team. Give her that crit element particle staff, and recharge isn't a problem. But if people are people base character worth on Spiral Abyss clearing time, then I'm sure there are better options. Though I see people clearing Abyss all stars with characters like Barbara, Noelle, and Lisa.

[@Carlisho]

I feel like so many of Hoyo’s character gameplay related problems could be so easily fixed if they did post release balancing

[@artificejojo]

I'm just vibing to the xenoblade music lmao (Good video as well!!)

[@dustinabigan2776]

More specialized units and those that have very different playstyles or mechanics but do not break the game or are seen as very powerful to the point you need to go out of your way to pull for them will always have a difficult slope to climb. If you do put them in the ideal situation, they could perform well. But the barrier to entry for more specialized or niche units will always be high (with the need to build a team around them on top of needing to get used to the playstyle) such that wanting to get them beyond meta is based more on actually wanting the character and being willing to invest in the character. Come endgame, most players will already either have a team that's built around a less niche playstyle or they have a team with a niche playstyle that already works. So by then, players won't have much reason to switch or take risks in getting a new niche unit unless they really want them.

[@gotrigboy32]

Candace not being a shielder or healer is bananas. Her limited hydron infusion sucks too. I built up her as a physical damage fighter to use as support with dps cryo characters for freeze teams and so my Candace is decent, but I wish she had a burst that dealt more damage at the very least.

[@zair4886]

Appreciate the Xenoblade Chronicles background music

[@inversepie6512]

Candace would be good if she simply added infusion and it worked on all weapon types. Imagine Yoimiya but the arrows apply hydro and pyro together

[@darylewalker6862]

Candace works on all elemental Normal attacks, even from non-Hydro attacks by characters immune to the Hydro infusion.

[@deonardomendez9426]

Tbh, i love gimmick units. And Yunjin isnt difficult to playwith at all, her burst costs 60, so you do have alot of room to work with. The problem is that with genshin being a gacha game, comparison and competition between characters is only Natural. However, most characters are useable, as we have clearly seen with the numerous challenge Accounts. Claymores only, spells only etc., genshin requires understanding of the game, once you have that, then you can build and use ANY UNIT and have fun. Ps: Yunjin is my current project, 2piece emblem 2 piece husk with the new Natlan spear giving soo much Def.

[@kamoraavayuna7726]

Now wait a minute! We knew we’re gonna have a problem when you talk about my main. Yes I C6’d her and yes I got her signature so I’m prejudiced, however this is the Dehya drama reverse. Unlike Dehya she is a DPS, where Dehya is a tank support with off-field pyro application. At C0 she’s already a great damage dealer, can utilize deepwood and has a wide variety of teams. To be fair though, I’m happy she flew under the radar, makes her extra special to me!!

[@JaiMadhusuthan]

i just realised smth they are releasing so mnay chars who want a good off field pyro right but all the ones we have rn have faults. It is rumoured that mavuika will become a support with constellations so what if they released mualani and kinich in a way to bait people into pulling for mavuika cons because she might be the only good pyro support

[@crem44]

This isnt the first time, a similar thing happened in Sumeru, characters like Cyno were stuck with Dendro Traveller…

[@JaiMadhusuthan]

@@crem44 im so mad rn i just pulled for mualani 😭😭

[@agentEE233]

7:40 no one can escape, all roads lead to her

[@earlsmith6722]

It funny that you mentioned Dehya and Emily. I actually use them together.

[@vipre07]

I can already see Kinich and Mavuika joining the Why No One Plays roster...

[@GentleIceZ]

10:35 Correction on Candace: she also gives elemental damage bonus to normal attacks if they do elemental damage. Not just that, but that part doesn't restrict weapon type (you can even see it on screen here 10:41). So she CAN work with those characters (except Neuvillette, RIP no charged attack bonus) especially since she gives Hydro Resonance. But there's a bigger problem with characters like her, Chongyun and Bennett c6: everyone who wants an infusion, already does it on their own and prevents their infusion from being overwritten If you could overwrite infusions, Candace would be a MUCH better character

[@AbominableDr.Phibes]

I pulled Emilie because I wanted to play a real Burning team for years It's fun

[@crimsonseiko]

If Yun Jin and Candace just also offered shielding and/or healing, that would fix soooo much about their viability.

[@neilan___222]

Candace is a good alternate slot for a F2P hyperbloom team, plus she carried me through the burning Imaginarium Theater

[@vetulamortem]

i currently use kinish as my flex slot in my main team since i am building him atm, he actually fits quite well in my team as a secons dps. Normaly i kill everything with Arlechino, Healing and Defence comes from Zhongli, and then i can choose to use Raiden for overload or Kinich to make a burn chain since bunring leaves the enemy with a fire proc.

[@CherryblossomFoxx]

They dont have to be stronger than the alternative to be relevant. They just have to be relative or close enough to power while being fun to use. If you can squeeze them in on a team without too big a drop in dps between them and the better alternative, then thats good. Especially when you have to make two teams for abyss. A major fix they could make to these units is by lowering their burst cost. The less ER you need, the comfier and better these characters would be

[@Gerd0]

Emilie making burn-melt teams better is one of the only things keeping Cryo DPSes at least slightly above dead in a ditch. I feel like it would have been worth at least acknowledging.

[@andro5t]

Emilie is just a do damage characters from off field she should have very big buff for burning teams but the only buff she had in her kit is c2 and generating energy for kinich And when i say very big i mean furina level big As for other niche characters they just don't do enough within their niche to make them good

[@krazy167]

Emilie will be like kazuha, Mark my words

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

She won't. Mark MY words.

[@joeltoomer3332]

@@Emmanuel_Rochashe’s already best in slot with Mualani and kinich so I beg to differ

[@ArayaF]

​@@Emmanuel_Rocha😂😂😂😂

[@AlwaysThirstys]

@@joeltoomer3332 Umm, furina is better than her in kinich teams. Mualani wants a hypercarry playstyle so nadidas 250 em bonus usually results in more damage and also mualanis best team is xiangling kazuha kachina or xiangling furina baizhu. Idk what you are on .

[@christianstill3252]

Great video👌 though are the s sounds very loud? Could be useful to check this during mastering

[@jicsboli06]

In games I play, I usually highly invest in niche, gimmicky underrated units, because I have a soft spot for them, and I make them as viable as possible. For Genshin, I use Xinyan, Dehya, Emilie, Chonyun. For ZZZ, I use Ben and Piper. I just like making them shine. 🙂

[@humanbean8699]

Video idea: Why nobody plays Candace, Dori or Sigewinne

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Emilie will get her day when we get either an artifact, or a pyro unit that properly supports her.

[@magnetmodelling7425]

I personally use emilie along side arle and beidou(i dont have geo daddy and i have her at C6) with the last slot changing based on what i need for the moment, like if i want hydro to vape-xingiq, if i want more burning then xiangling it is.Honestly its probably one of the best things i have done in game as i started in 4.1 and dont have good hydro character until recently when i got mualani and her sig so she and arle were like gamechangers as they have good synergy and pairing with beidou's burst i also have electro and a shield so she helped a ton

[@xvgarnet]

I think Emilie's main problem was her time of release, just before the new region. A lot of people skipped her to be able to pull for the natlan characters, and to cope, they call her bad or unnecessary.

[@juiciet929]

I feel like gimmicky characters bring a new kind of play style especially if they aren’t compatible with the most meta characters like Furina, making you build the more unpopular characters. Me personally I’ve loved playing Emilie and having a reason to use my C2 Dehya

[@KitaniRairakku]

Honestly I would have really loved to use Candace in gimmicky teams like playing Xingqiu as a DPS, but tying her infusion to her burst is so painful. I usually find myself avoiding burst-dependent characters unless their skills are functional without them.

[@schlafesbruder7625]

Just a little detail. Candace can buff elemental damage like katalyst or infused blade. If Candace has 30k life Ayaka will hit 15% harder with her cryo infused normal attack. However it's niche and rarely useful. And for the record. Physical Candace is a most pleasant open world carry. Quintessential waifu class.

[@CelesteStarRail]

"Xiangling is everywhere" i see no problem here. Xiangling is adorable and i use her a lot

[@harshitjha4392]

Really appreciate your videos can you please make one about wonderer ❤❤

[@drakhaoulazhenkdir]

I think we missed an important part in this video essay.... IMAGINATION THEATER A game mode specially made for building odd out of place teams; do we cobble together something random, or are the selected elements meant to support these Gimic Characters? We already know that IMAGINATION THEATER is meant to intice people to pull a wider variety of characters by saying you "Need" this character. What does the idea of needing a gimic character mean? It means more pulls, and more money for HOYO...

[@kunalkorag]

I love emilie she is great with my arle and now kinich

[@legendaryhyo]

idk I'm just here on my crazy world with emilie and c6 bennett so she's both onfield and off field at the same time - being healed when needed and burning res activated. normal atk is actually quite good too the hate on her is mostly on her design lbr! but i like how she's a rare artifact since nobody cared for her except those who saw her potential. kuki all over again lmao