Are Version 1 Characters Still Good? | Honkai: Star Rail

[@VarsII]

March mains I owe a remorseful apology to you for I have committed a truly heinous and unforgiveable act. I have completely neglected to recall the fact that she should be S tier because she likes boba. I’m gonna take some time to reflect on my mistake and to make amends for the trillions of lives I have jeopardized by my horrible judgment.😔

[@ACatThatCantSing]

As punishment we sentence you to ten hours of brainrot lmao

[@xacronthe1st829]

@@ACatThatCantSingrepent yourself 😊

[@aaronscott7467]

Shouldn't Seeley be in c because she's niche? Really strong within her niche, but really bad if she doesn't have quite enough stats

[@lillyie]

tbf her hunt form got released in 2.5 so i think that gets a pass

[@uyeah1234]

Their ain't even a trillion people on planet earth dawg.

[@super_dude00]

If jing yuan came back, I believe the resurgence of blade is possible COME ONNNN

[@ahmadfaris4353]

Waiting for the day for Blade to become T0 again, trust!

[@sonofdeleniel007]

Not even Jade could fix him, be real.

[@danish2.012]

Someone like furina will buff him massively, TRUST. Hp mechanic and draining meta will easily make blade T0 tier. Hoping for a future support or unit that can increase the max hp of an unit massively and/or also accelerate blade's follow up talent trigger by decreasing or increasing hp

[@vamppooni]

HP BUFFER TRUST ‼️‼️‼️

[@Wintipu]

At least jing yuan is a eminator

[@eldar6207]

Every character can work in a team with 3 meta harmony characters. Support Rail is just like that.

[@lillyie]

i'll be waiting for the dps lynx 0 cycle clear now

[@GoldLink364]

Brb gonna clear with Bailu/Sunday/Ruan Mei/Robin

[@Kris-w4w4h]

​@@lillyiepossible with e6 Robin

[@BladeSerph]

Thats simply dodging the question itself: Since you could give a toddler a smart AI powered mecha suit that adjusts its combat functionality to work with the toddler instead of supporting an actual combatant with a shotgun. At the end of the day though your likely facing content so pathetically fragile that your really just doing a-fk-ton of overkill damage which is in turn a massive waste of development if you have no content that actually pressures you to make actual teams or even make use of actual units itself. This is why developers will NEVER allow a game to reach a point, or stay on said point for too long, where i call the TONKOR situation. Tonkor being a grenade launcher in warframe that can deal a fk-ton of damage and explode massive waves of enemies, including getting mods to further increase that blast radius. With Warframe, before certain `safety measures` were put in place, people could straight up use a warframe that could be immune to instantly dying even if its only for a few seconds and just spam the grenade launcher at your feet to destroy everything around you basically. Warframe eventually put measures to nerf those by having enemies with other mechanics to flip off such b.s., much more difficult stuff and even a `arming distance` with weapons like the tonkor so you have to have a minimum distance before it arms and explodes, instead of just being a suicidal gremlin that destroys everything regardless of many other factors in your setup. Mobile games are always gonna be power-creep incarnate and if they make the highest level content still be able to get curb stomped by units from years ago that were not due to some kind of renewal of improvements to the system (such as a 6 star unit upgrade from 5 star in some games), then the question gets begged that why even invest in the newer stuff in the first place if you have literally no reason why to invest in it in the first place, if its just a massive waste of time, money and resources that could be saved for as much as a year or more instead of burning it at the drop of the hat of a single new shiny looking unit. This is why i like punishing gray raven`s approach where it can usually be a year or even 2 years before some units get replaced, just like how Lucia:Plume a meta ice DPS attacker for 2+ years only just finally got replaced by Qu:Shukra just this week. And they even doubled the fk down by even making all amplifier units to be FREE units, even some tank units free (Wanshi the ice tank coming in a few versions on global) and decided instead of introducing new units for a few categories, they decided that Crimson weave alpha (lightning attacker), Stigmata Bianca (Physical attacker) and Scire Karenina (Dark Tank) would get LEAP UPGRADES, instead of being replaced by new units instead.

[@frostyyy6823]

@@Kris-w4w4hliterally not

[@entephobia]

13:21 Luka isn't played in DoT at all rn. DoT isn't even his best team, his best team atm is where he is a break DPS and he works really well due to his bleed proc. I understand why you'd put him there (although I would've put him C at least) but you could've at least mentioned it. He is also the most future prood 4* DoT atm because he can easily proc the Break Bleeds which will only get stronger the more HP the enemies have

[@ibrahimkouidri634]

And with Fugue coming soon he might not need to worry about weaknesses and his damage will be boosted further

[@kidsIIIII009]

Have him with Boothill and Fugue for a better physical weakness break experience

[@aarushi2740]

doesnt bleed have a cap to its hp scaling though?

[@kaitokid3869]

​@aarushi2740his own bleed does (caps at 288%ish atk?) but the bleed from weakness break scales harder w his BE%, enemy toughness, and their max hp iirc

[@aarushi2740]

@ yes but the max hp has a cap i believe. could be wrong but that does mean his usefulness is limited bcs of that.

[@ACatThatCantSing]

Herta is s tier simply for the fact that she always looks done with this shit lmao

[@BeefyWaffles]

My logic: last 1.0 character was Ruan Mei, which set up the meta for break teams Therefore Sunday will be set the meta for summon/remembrance teams

[@AristineSilvanus]

last 1.0 character was ratio lilbro

[@KrowTheGreat]

​@@AristineSilvanus and Ruan Mei? They were in the same version? Even if Ratio was on the 2nd Phase both characters were the last characters released on 1.0

[@luscioushalustar]

Ratio also introduce us to two types of meta, Debuff meta (acheron) and follow up meta. With this, there's a possibility fugue could expand the break meta in the future. I don't think they're done with break meta yet

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

​​@@luscioushalustarNah it isn't a pretty pattern. Fugue doesn't do anything new other than exo-toughness which already exist before her release. She is there to replace HMC so people can use RMC.

[@Digbigbombig]

This is obvious tho, they release these supports that are good baseline and excel at a niche then release insane dps that really wants them. Ruan mei for firefly/rappa, robin for feixao/jade/probably herta 2, now sunday for the upcoming summon based path.

[@wongo6828]

Jing Yuan and Himeko: Two DPS from 1.0 getting retroactively buffed in 2.7 Jing Yuan got Sunday who astronomically made Jing Yuan's performance so much better. Himeko will get Fugue who will potentially bring Himeko's value a lot more than it already is.

[@LeftyPencil]

Himeko and Blade also got Jade

[@mcmovinup4991]

If fugue releases what units to run her with? Himeko,fugue+....+ ????

[@Otherface]

​@mcmovinup4991 +Herta+Either Huohuo for extra energy, attack, and healing or Robin for pure more damage and action advance. At least that's going to me my pure fiction team when she releases.

[@therranolleo468]

@@mcmovinup4991 Hime, Fugue, Ruan mei, Lingsha for the usual comp, you can also opt for HMC instead of Lingsha is you're confident in Fugue's break delay to act as a form of sustain, its basically Firefly-at-home kindda team

[@izzme5204]

​@@mcmovinup4991 it's quite flexible. You just need to look at the enemies' weakness and just choose them as flex slot. And ofc a sustain, preferably matching enemies' weakness too.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: Why the Trash Can is the strongest Enemy in HSR.

[@velconx15]

Their biceps and thighs, obviously

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

@@velconx15 and the way those muscles get stronger every time they attack. I still remember trying to see how long I can long against a can with only sustainers and that was definitely a memorable time for whatever reason

[@velconx15]

@@Gottaloveaxolotls how far did you get? How many times did one lordly trashcan kick your team?

[@ahlemlora1452]

Let them stay alive for three turns and they one shot any character, truly the strongest entity in Hsr

[@Dumb_Plushie]

I would absolutely love if Jing Yuan just kept getting better and better. It would fit his titles of the Dozing General and Divine Foresight, and just be really, really cool.

[@dragunityx12]

3.6 abundance, full sp positive, auto cleanse every 3 turns + heal, skill gives some energy + heal, ult gives every character with 5 stacks or 10 stacks of something in their kit a 150%/250% dmg increase + res pen % depending on enemy health. 4.2 rememberance, sp neutral, each time another summon goes, the memosprite copies the summon at 80% of damage. Skill summons/heals memosprite and gives cdmg boost. Ult nukes all rows and columns and applies summon dmg debuff on enemies

[@Hussinali121]

what ​@@dragunityx12

[@AevyCh]

Out of all DoT characters, Luka is the most future proof simply because of how broken Break Bleed is. No matter how high HP inflation is, Max HP damage is still Max HP damage. I'd argue that he's the true Budget Boothill. He can re-trigger Break Bleed while dealing Super Breaks with HMC/Fugue. Sushang is a fraud.

[@noahi.1381]

Luka is also more SP-friendly too

[@Otherface]

Wait hold the f*ck up. Bleed is based on max hp damage? Not just... damage?! Hell yeah, a great reason to use Luka!!. I'm getting ideas now!

[@AevyCh]

@@Otherface Only the one from Break. Luka's own Bleed only scales with ATK.

[@arzonong7363]

Sushang maybe a fraud, but she is my main waifu, so I am still gonna pull for mega support (hate Sunday but got E0S1 just for Sushang). I dont ask for much, just need her to 5 cycle her side of MoC and just getting 6600 in AS.

[@angeldiaz762]

Yea you can make a kafka-less team with a physical unit as replacement, and that break bleed can be done by anybody long as their element is physical

[@RomnilWater]

Luocha is still my go to sustain if I just want to stay alive or just need SP. He doesn't do anything special other then the niche enemy cleanse but he's served me well since 1.1. I'm a bit wary about putting Jing Yuan in S tier though. I love him and still use him, even before Sunday, but I just can't recommend him to new players. This kinda feels like a last hurrah for the character and a sneakpeek for the Remembrance path. I'd say build him if you already have him but don't go out of your way to pull for him.

[@nilmerg]

bailu actually won over both fuxuan & luocha to help sustain my team in phase 2 of current MoC 12

[@Alilatias]

I see a potential future niche for Luocha, and it's him being the favored sustain for counter teams. The Luocha/Clara/Yunli combo got me through some super tough fights in highest difficulty Divergent Universe that my meta teams couldn't survive, because Luocha is the only healer in the game naturally capable of healing the whole party during enemy turns if he is used with a counter team. The main reason counter teams aren't really a thing right now is because we have no way of manipulating enemies to speed up their turns, which makes counter teams very dependent on the enemy setup itself right now. The moment the devs create a character capable of what I'm describing, Luocha and all of the counter characters will definitely become relevant again.

[@moonawilks8240]

@@Alilatias What you are saying is kind of similar to the mechanic against enemies (like in certain pure fictions) where you attack said enemy(s) and they get advanced forward?

[@Alilatias]

@@moonawilks8240 Yeah, that's basically what I'm describing. Bonus points if a character capable of doing this is also capable of applying DoT/DoT vulnerability and debuffing enemy defense and attack, so they work for both counter and DoT teams.

[@moonawilks8240]

@@Alilatias That sounds so ideal, you are making me get my hopes up lol

[@danish2.012]

The one 1.X unit that stands out very much to me is topaz. Her development from being called mediocre, hated so much during her release because people only saw her for dmg not her FUA buffing capability into one of the most needed characters for follow up meta is insane. I can still recall clearly how people trash talk her very much during her release because her dmg isn't great for a hunt unit which is intended to do a big dmg. Topaz grows stronger with many additions of follow up units. During her release, she doesn't have many good FUA units options to be paired with. As such, many people tried to make her hypercarry which isn't her intended playstyle, she is meant to be used as a sub dps alongside a follow up dps. As many follow up related units released like ratio, aventurine, robin, yunli, jade and finally feixiao that helped her reach her peak improvement, she becomes one of the best units to have. Topaz will grow stronger later with more follow up units released later on.

[@Laktystyk]

With release of Sunday she can be used as a hypercarry now ☺️

[@NoiseRosemaker]

She's following the same trajectory as Ruan Mei, didn't she? Start as a niche support, then get stronger once their actual niche is finally out of the woodwork. The difference is that Ruan Mei, as harmony, started at a higher floor than Topaz, being able to support way outside her supposed niche, and then just soared to must have status once break meta comes rolling in. Topaz is never must have at the level of Ruan Mei, not even with Feixiao, but she's still the next best support that you will bring with FuA team once you have Robin in the team. I mean that if we have to choose Robin or Topaz, no brainer we choose Robin. But after that? It's Topaz (for 5*). I guess there's Moze and M7 but that's like comparing Gallagher and Lingsha all over again. Another difference is that Topaz can be pushed to be competent enough as main dps herself, while Ruan Mei won't be a dps ever...

[@exzackly4641]

@@NoiseRosemakerRuan Mei is NOT niche 😭🙏

[@NoiseRosemaker]

@@exzackly4641 When she was out at first, break was still niche. She was helped by her overloaded kit that works outside break. Topaz on the other hand didn't have enough good FuA to drive her kit nor for her to support at that time.

[@bowloferic]

proud topaz haver since release

[@Abby_wa]

By your own metric Pela is S and Jing Yuan is A. Pela is easy to build, doesn't need eidolons, has a fantastic 4* lightcone, and is a staple of low cycle endgame, JY is a very high investment good character like DHIL and Kafka.

[@kcamui__]

she's a good generalist support on a lot of teams but doesn't really shine on any of them. her def shred is easily matched up by a lot of harmonies' cracked supporting capabilities. jing yuan is pretty deserving of S atm (and I'd also be fine if he goes to A here) just because of the drastic difference in his performance, gameplay, and damage pre and post Sunday like I cannot stress enough how much Sunday buffed and revived him.

[@lillyie]

i mean, every hypercarry dps is high investment(except kafka where you can literally just stack attack and speed on her unlike crit dps who needs crit substats)

[@warrencaelum9536]

WRONG

[@idkmn321]

What is this argument? Supports are meant to be low investment and easy to build. Even SS tier dps with low jnvestment would lose to a E6 well invested 4 star dps.

[@kristianmartinez2182]

I just love how people flamed me for going all in for Topaz rather than Jingliu. I love Topaz, her character design, her playstyle, her personality. Even if she didn't get this valuable/strong i will never regret pulling for her.

[@Rob.N.]

Same here E1S1 Topaz is awesome and I can even hyper carry her now with Sunday.

[@bribriibribrii]

in 1.4 Jingliu was better

[@nilmerg]

​@@bribriibribrii topaz was always going to have more staying power than jingliu as she could benefit units other than herself while jingliu, by virtue of her being a pure DPS, was more likely to become weaker over time.

[@bribriibribrii]

@nilmerg yes, but on that moment (when Robin didnt exist) Jingliu was actually better

[@Mantoire]

The same is happening with Jade where she is arguably aging better than Firefly but this may be too much of a hot take right now

[@mactartaglia]

Ruan mei be like:🗿

[@redlox2]

I loved you used Topaz in the thumbnail when she is constantly getting buffed in follow up teams with support like Robin and even Sunday (as Numby is a summon as well)

[@Konpekikaminari]

Girl was honestly the best "future investment" pull I've made in a hoyo game

[@redlox2]

@ topaz was either my first or second 5 star so she was totally worth the investment for me!

[@Laktystyk]

She's now my main DPS instead of Ratio bruh :/

[@soep19]

INVESTING IN VICTORY MEANS PLAYING THE LONG GAME 📈📈📈 🪙🪙 🪙

[@memezabelle]

​@@Laktystyk yeah i tried with ratio but he keeps failing his 80% chance and not criting

[@milberg4338]

About Welt... Just go full DPS with Welt with the Along the Passing Shore light cone and he will be pretty good. Welt has carried me in Star Rail for this reason.

[@lillyie]

16:20 there's many reasons why guinaifen's one of the better 4 star DOT charas -firekiss makes her a f2p jiaoqiu for acheron teams without it, specially if lil gui is E6 -easiest requirement to detonate her own DOT. sampo requires E4 and luka requires 2 actions(skill and basic attack) but you can detonate gui's burn at the same turn by skill then activating ult afterwards -E1 gives her effect res shred, when combined with pela's 10% effect hit rate boost makes both of them work with each other

[@thatpotatoweirdo]

that's a video opening if i've ever heard one before "the honkai impact 3rd fans are soaking WET from the reveal of the flame chasers"

[@TheAliceMargatroid]

I still think Ruan Mei is the best Harmony character in the game because I think you have more team building potential with her than any other Harmony character. If we are considering the meta teams involved then yes I do think Robin and Sunday will have a stronger meta team but the fact you can slot a Ruan Mei into nearly any team to add more buffs just makes her the best overall.

[@KrrDemii]

Seele is still good outside of moc but in moc she needs serious investment in her supports and herself, she had a kit designed to fail and thats what hurts as shes my absolute favourite character and there was no need to make her kit this bad. She only thrived at the start of the game because non boss enemies had like 20k health and now they have x10 and alot more speed, meaning less resurgence, less turns, less overall dps

[@redlox2]

I loved Topaz in the thumbnail when she is constantly getting buffed in follow up teams especially with units like Robin and even Sunday.

[@Abby_wa]

It worked, he just wants engagement for $$$

[@redlox2]

5:50 i pulled Himeko for my 300 wish selector (to get to e1) and plan to use the free selector to get her e2.

[@qaztim11]

same, i have been losing my 50/50s to her for a long time, got her to E4 with the selector, she is arguably in the top3 erudition characters Started using her as a break dps and i'm ver surprised by her output Her, Jade and Herta(xueyi if im feeling spicy) just obliterate most farm stages or PF stages, and even some Apocaliptic shadow and MoC floors depending on the elements and ammount of adds.

[@Lakituish]

Same, I hope to e6 her someday

[@trickytristan1]

pretty much what I did and got her to E3, shooting for E6 with how my 50/50 luck is lmao

[@angeldiaz762]

We seriously need some newer and better 4⭐️'s. It hurts that by the time I get a E6 on a lot of these they're obsolete.

[@adamcobb7892]

I use Luocha in the new MoC as a sub for houhou (don't have) and it cleared with the 3 stars. Kafka Ruan Mei, and Black swan was the team.

[@flying-ship]

I would move Hanya to at least C or even B. She's easier to build & use than Yukong and works like a budget Sparkle. She made DHIL so much smoother to play pre-Sparkle/Sunday.

[@buzzinn]

Still not clear how yukong should be used. Her buff only active on the next 2 acting allies?

[@DSDSDS1235]

her numbers are so low and her buffs are on such diluted multipliers that the 5 star supports do her job several times better. yukong's kit traded any trace of reliability from her kit for that 29% cc and 70% cd, those numbers are kinda big even compared to somewhat built 200% cd sparkle and sunday. if she was 5 star, she'd be the only single target support that doesn't have a turn advance, with the power budget of 2.0 harmonies she'd either have def/res ignore instead of atk% in addition to that damage%, or that atk% buff is gonna be 200%+ lol

[@fa_rook_ak94]

They've trivialized elements and weakness breaking with Firefly and Boothill because they can insert their own elemental weaknesses. Even Acheron's global weakness break potential pales in comparison because she reduces the toughness gauge less if there's no elemental weakness. Boothill and firefly don't have the same issue because of weakness implants. Superbreak wouldn't be as powerful without firefly or boothill. Lingsha's is only as powerful as she is because she has higher toughness breaking while piggybacking off of firefly.

[@reybarracuda2514]

You forgot crit linsha exist and her damage can be high since she scales off attack/break

[@arzonong7363]

remember how Jingliu and DHIL fell off in 2.x Hoyo will find way to make superbreak fall off in 3.x (they need to sell their new units, so cant have us continue using superbreak forever).

[@tavonlewis2629]

You're grouping boothill and Firefly together when they are completely different units. BH only has implant on his ult while FF can implant EVERY time she skills. Also BH has absolutely no need for super break. I think most of the issues you have is with FF not BH

[@kairos-049]

Remember when people thought Silver Wolf was future proof

[@themidnightotaku22]

Our MC never seems any LESS viable than the newest trailblazers the further we dive into the content. Probably the best F tier I could ask for anyway.

[@ClayMatu]

I didn't manage to get Robin but I've had ruan mei e1 since her 1st banner. Gotta say she's actively carried the boats of multiple teams. Dps, break, super break and even my feixiao team is in good hands with her. She's an awesome unit

[@lillyie]

all of high cloud quintet(jingliu, dan heng IL and jing yuan) got sunday as a new best slot but bladie is still missing an HP based support

[@Kris-w4w4h]

It's not even about hp supports anymore give Blade Supports that don't give atk like Ruan mei and Pela and compare to the others he'll still suck what he needs more is someone who is supported by him instead of them supporting him

[@Laktystyk]

Isn't Sunday his best support rn?

[@chadachi3970]

Blade's issues isn't supports, it's bad multipliers.

[@tavonlewis2629]

​@@Laktystykkind of. Blades speed is really low so it's almost impossible to spd tune him correctly without missing out on dmg substats.

[@Ellen777]

How dare you ... Her name is Pitch Hook the great .. she is forever meta ( in our hearts at least ) ..

[@KudaGeatsune3821]

Oh Elysia im so happy to see you again

[@aidanjackson5084]

This list brought up the selector stuff quite a few times. I had been sitting on my Standard Banner selector for awhile, and when we got a free one in this most recent update, I was all over that so much. At the time, the only Standard 5-stars I did not have were Bronya, Himeko, and Yanqing. When the free 5-star selector dropped, I immediately picked up Himeko & Bronya. All I'm missing from Standard is Yanqing, but I'm perfectly fine with that

[@redlox2]

17:40 S tier Topaz! Let’s go!

[@thelaw_00]

I'd argue that Ruan Mei is no.1 instead of Robin because of her universal use. You can slot her in any team and it will work, even in follow-up teams. Of course you can also use Robin in any team but she isn't as universal as Ruan Mei

[@Hndlse]

😹

[@umusuarioqualquer5491]

I disagree. Every single archetype besides Break, Robin is better than Ruan Mei, they use her in DoT, Hypercarry with Sunday/Bronya/Sparkle, it's the bestest on Follow Up and will still be strong with Rememberance...

[@faozan_1]

Someone get a load off this guy 😂

[@wellingtonandrade947]

I agree. She's SP positive, all of her buffs are insanely strong for every team in the game, her uptime is easily to keep up and she has the penetration buff at E0 while Robin's at E1 and i heard some people say that is the best eidolon in the game, so what's better than already have in your base kit? Robin are also super strong, but i think people overestimate her a lot sometimes just because of the team advance. But for example, you can also use her in any team, but her trace giving crit damage to FUA is useless outside of this niche, while Ruan Mei buffs are all used in any team, even outside of break. And another thing that gets me sometimes is her uptime. It's not rare having to consume SP even with her skill buff up or cheer to an enemy hit her to give energy to ult. Don't get me wrong guys, i love Robin too, i use her a lot, i tried to get her when she came out but i loss and as soon as i heard of her rerun, i started to reserve my pulls to guarantee her, but i still think that Ruan Mei is better because of the points that i mentioned. The whole team advance is insane and saved me a lot of times, but she has this downs for me that Ruan Mei doesn't, that's it

[@bribriibribrii]

i agree. Robin NEEDS e1 or LC to be better.

[@mvigel]

i forgot luocha existed.

[@HatsunPidgeon]

Every day I forget this man exists. He does not exist in the story atp 😂

[@reshmin1760]

@@HatsunPidgeon Luocha come back the children miss you

[@Assassin21BEKA]

8:07 cleanse is not important against huge amount of enemies nowadays. At the very least she deserves to be in the same tier with Gepard. If you don't need cc in a fight she is really comfortable

[@noyvax]

I believe that you'll agree with this, but March 7th preservation should actually go to C, her niche on SU for early and even endgame players in enabling the cheese path is truly one of a kind and can't be denied even to this day (literally no other characters has good freezing)

[@The_Wanderer_]

Misha

[@noyvax]

@The_Wanderer_ he's much more harder to play around freeze, his ult requires the team to use skill points for each hit, also it's a bounce type attack, but I understand your point

[@The_Wanderer_]

@ I’ve never had a problem with getting a freeze off of him, especially in SU. But I also have him built really well so maybe it’s just me

[@kaialsh4321]

March 7th is the queen of simulated universe remembrance path! ❄️

[@yumsorbet]

i am pulling for madam herta because the idea of herta and her puppet fighting together is so funny to me AND they synergize is perfect. (also she is gorgeous)

[@aidanjackson5084]

Unsurprising that a lot of the late-game v1.x characters ended up higher on this list. A good list overall to be sure. Look forward to eventually seeing the Version 2 characters list when we're later into Version 3.x onward

[@Luke27WT]

8:10 gepard doesn't have a cleanse too btw, only 20% res on E4)

[@leka2095]

because of his higher aggro, he tends to end up tanking non-AoE CC effects. nothing insane, but better than 0 cleanses.

[@Luke27WT]

@@leka2095 yeah, you are right (don't think it would help anyway, but yes)

[@Zafaruss]

Nah bcz i genuinely… GENUINELY forgot Luocha existed until I saw that thumbnail 😭

[@Meep7878]

I might be biased but I think qq could stand to move up a tier. I’ve been using her forever and she’s still perfectly solid and my triple quantum team with sparkle and lynx carries me whenever I need quantum stuff. Tbf I have her at e6 which makes a huge difference from e0 but still

[@wilksy1993]

After kakfa we got 1 dot unit being Black swan since JQ isn't really a dot dmg dealer more a debuffer. Please make a dot sustainer like JQ was meant to be and a dot support

[@BloomingSakuraFE]

Jing Yuan is Hoyo's favorite and I am here for it

[@1.Dilucfan]

Real

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

i really hope in the future there will be dedicated supports for early HSR characters that have niche gameplay like how Jingyuan did. Even if it won't become a fully fleshed out archetype, atleast a supprt that is dedicated to counter/health lost dps or a support that's mainly about buffing HEAVY skill point usage (i know you will say Sparkle but she's way too broaden, like Ruan Mei. And even then i got DHIL E2 and he's still ass with Sparkle) or a support that's all about speed, not just buffing speed, but something to scale with it.

[@Grayewicked]

I still use my Luocha when my Fu Xuan isn't enough to sustain me or when I'm having SP issues.

[@brycecai4700]

Seele was long forgotten jingyuan used to be forgot but had a comeback with Sunday silver wolf is forgotten alongside seele (and I suspect she is the reason why quantum weakness is so sparse in MoC) luocha is still usable but you have better options (but his 100% use rate will forever be remembered), Kafka is kinda in the middle ground with black swan as dot hasn’t got any support recently blade is still waiting for a health support while trying to kill himself ILDH is still usable, he is probably doing the best among the destruction trio due to MoC having a lot of imaginary weaknesses Fuxuan is still good, you do have better options but at least crit is always useful Jingliu has fallen off hard Topaz: Investing in victory... means playing the long game! Huohuo is still good, but the meta characters right now don’t really need energy Argenti is pretty much nonexistent outside of material farming and pure fiction, but now in pure fiction we have jade, so yea… Ruan Mei is still godlike Dr ratio was good with the follow up engine, and then feixiao happened, but at least he used to be free

[@abhiveerbirdi9377]

Ok Serval deserves to be in B Tier AT LEAST. She is a reasonably good sub dps and is very good at managing skill points, and is a free character so it wouldn't take you long to get multiple eidolons for her and make her better. She also applies DoT and is great at reducing toughness for electric enemies, WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF

[@sorcierenoire8651]

BLADE PLEASE DONT FALL OFF DONT GET POWERCREEPED! MY BABY OML😭😭😭

[@lum_berry111]

blade fell off like 7 patches ago 😭

[@colorlessguard]

i agree with most of the tier list BUT if i had to nitpick i would argue that you can move 4 star Dan Heng up at least one tier w/ Sunday now in the game! especially if we’re assuming e6 status for 4 stars then i’d say he’s a serviceable option for a wind DPS if you don’t have anyone else

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

Luka should also be in C, literally Budget Boothill.

[@VividPastels]

as someone who quit for a while but managed to somehow pull her way through ruan mei's rerun I have to say.... 1) LUOCHA IS STILL MY HERO I got him and his LC when he came out he's my go to man he does everything it's so good 2) Blade get off the floor man I regret getting him over Kafka when they came out cause I ended up getting Kafka anyway because I pulled BS for her looks 3) My teams suck I can't play endgame bc I just die 4) I regret somewhat investing into... Hook... and also hello I still use Asta cause I'm lacking a fire dps aside from Himeko 5) I also got Argenti for his looks let this be a lesson to you people sometimes meta is better than how they look

[@Avaa-vanilla995]

Luocha is awesome, Geppy is great but yeah Aventurine outdid him, Welt and Yanqing are great. List goes on. Honestly, any character can do well if you build them and stop worrying about who is popular or meta.

[@Seafury18]

I agree with all of characters you listed EXCEPT for Clara. Clara is defly an A tier IMO, albeit just after argenti. She is the one of two insta-counter characters in the game aside from Yunli, making her more worth while and is very relevant early up to super late game. She technically can be used in almost any team either as a sub or main dps and is SUPER easy to build thanks to not requiring speed stats. Her very high base attack also means that even when you don't crit, you still deal massive damage. My E0S1 Clara deals 30k non crit for her enhanced follow up with full buffs and 100k with crit for a single enemy.

[@rubbahfuj]

At this point in time, vertical investment in seele will not help. crit value can only do so much and seeles multiplier is just lower than new characters. seeles eidolons do not increase her own damage. if you want seele to one shot mobs, get e1 robin, e2 sparkle, e1 ruan mei. 90/200 crit on seele is not enough to make her one shot things.

[@mari_zz]

Jing Yuan is the real Blade. He just keeps coming back. That paradise may be unreachable for him...

[@GamerCalli]

I feel like March could be moved to the Niche category, she has a decent kit for a few units, but only a few. Specifically she shines with Clara (and by extension Yunli) in a follow-up based composition due to her targeted aggro increase. Lynx also has it, but hers comes with shield and extra follow-up attacks whereas Lynx comes with extra max hp and emergency cleanse. This team comp isn't perfect, but not having a 5 star alternative for targeted aggro increase I feel would bump her up to niche, especially because follow-up attacks are a premium meta.

[@brennanwn]

20:08 Dr Ratio 20:59 - 21:48 Ruan Mei is #1 My favorite geniuses

[@Moonlight-o7p3r]

I see a lot of comments talk about blade and hp mechanic I think if they will release a character like fourina they will release character like neuvillate the idea of power creep is not about blade don’t have teammates it’s about new character better than old one for example clara and yunli 😊

[@EmblemSnake]

Since we all know how MOC works I think Jing Yuan will also shine when they release Aglaea since they are very similar.

[@jamess359]

DoTs and HP mechanic characters will have a resurgence in 3.0+ While summons are the focus, I'd bet anything on that path having characters that focus on DoT/HP scaling. They did the exact samething with Follow-up and Break playstyles in 2.0, I HIGHLY doubt they continue to cater to playstyles that already have a high damage ceiling.

[@Truck-kun11]

Bet

[@eraser2651]

I don't think so with DoT. LEAK WARNING From what I've seen currently, there's only 2 remembrance characters (counting aglea) and none of them is DoT. Sure DoT will have a resurgence but not in amphoreus. ALSO keep in mind that this is just early information/leak. Everything can be changed

[@_taho]

Luka should minimally be in C tier. He has a good element, and a kit that takes advantage of that too. He scales with the wild HP increases that we are getting in end game content. Hanya can provide good value in certain teams but she's perfectly fine in D tier I suppose.

[@KurulaGuambeTSB]

15:28 I'm probably wrong in this one but, hear me out. Dhil in A because of his investment requirements and noticeable "frequently used in" endgame scenarios, doesn't seem completely fair. From the way I see it, every damn character, every damn playstyle needs a level of investment a player has to commit accordingly to his ability or desires. Take Kafka, IL, Acheron, Feixao, Boothill and/or Rappa for example. They represent one best if not the best out there for the their comps. Why? -Kafka/BSwan/RMei/Huo -Dhil/Sparkle/Ting/[insert sustain] -Acheron/Pela/Jiao/Avt -Feixao/Topass/Robin/Avt -Rappa/HMC/RMei/[insert BE Fire healer] These are what u see every day, and they're ingrained in today's meta. But when you take a closer look, getting that blackswan may be expensive just for a dot team, but that's just how much you like/love the team. RMei is basically goated everywhere and getting yourself a sustain that heals party, removes debuffs and gives energy doesn't sound bad for your acc (I use Goat Luocha but, who cares). Same goes for Sparkle, Aventurine, Robin and others. I considered them cancers because they made me feel like I had to pull just to improve one character, but getting them can help the account in various manners. The only expensive thing is LCs and Niche characters like Jiao, BSwan and HMC(free btw), in terms of resources. Because Who THE HELL, considers Sparkle niche? For the endgame topic that I didn't quite agree is simple, and I shouldn't ramble anymore. Argument being: I don't see anyone using Herta/Himeko in AS, nor Follow up teams in PF. And guess who helped me through both of them? YOUR BOY IL!!! Case clooosedt, Dhil simp out! *Mic Drop*

[@sciencepower608]

Follow up attacks are used heavily in PF. Jade, Himeko, Herta, Yunli. Um?

[@lavidren3890]

i sure like welt, he's nice for acheron teams if a lot of foes are imaginary weak and his c2 and c4 do a lot to make him better for that niche. still hope we will get a wave survival game mode where characters like welt and misha can not just be niche but thrive. but until then your rating seems spot on

[@soulstealer5625]

Sushang my beloved until she got replaced.

[@jilvermazariegos]

Welt is the finest of wines, he is eventually going to be so good in the future

[@ailurophilekia6565]

Seeing Arlan and Yanqing down there makes me so sad... Also seeing all the DoT units down there sucks because I love Kafka but I don't have Black Swan (my only limited characters are Seele who I got in my very first pull, Kafka who I saved for since getting Seele until her release, and Aventurine because I really needed a sustain unit when I came back after a long break)

[@redlox2]

4:20 it’s sad I spent a lot of time building Quinque especially after I got Sparkle but yeah she isn’t worth it anymore😭😅

[@onryu]

preservation trailblazer was pretty decent in early game, when paired with march, and poor Yukong, Ive gotten good results with Her, & Hunt March. Jingliu is pefect

[@pilotbt1617]

To make a 23min video into a quick answer, yes, version 1 characters are indeed still good, yes you do need to update their builds or put alot more effort into building their kits (except arlan because there's no saving him)

[@rinoakirova1548]

Honestly, unless you have really high investment on them or their supports, no character under A-tier here is practical to use in endgame, even less to pull. And as soon as 3.0 drops, even version 2.X characters are going to feel really rough, from the looks of it.

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

13:21 How could you rate Luka D? Yeqh, he's not good if you're going for dot for obvious reasons, but he's a fantastic alternative for Boothill if you don't have him. Break Luka can easily do numbers that are almost on par with Boothill with high enough investment and virtue of being E6 which everyone has because he's on every banner and shows up even off banner the most. I would say high B/low A.

[@GodofGoblins]

Luca is fantastic but also very niche. He specifically needs the physical weak enemies present to be able to do his job. Then he can flat out delete enemies, including elites. But without that weakness, he isn't great. That is why most agree he is niche. But man when that niche actually shows up, he does great. Boothill is on a way higher level thanks to him bypassing the weakness necessity entirely, combined with his gross damage in general. I love my Luca, but they live in different worlds.

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

@GodofGoblins That literally applies to everyone on this list who doesn't happen to have a weakness implant/ignore like Feixiao, Boothill, Firefly, Rappa, Acheron. That doesn't stop them from placing somewhat higher on this list such as his placement for Guigui. I'm only saying that break Luka is really solid and that just because his dot (or dot in general rather) isn't good, it doesn't mean his character as whole has no value to put him at a D when he has another, better playstyle. Also, hard disagree on them being in 2 different worlds. The only things separating them are his 5 star status making his dmg and everything else better, and more importantly his weakness implant. Apart from that, when they break, they are comparable. I say this as a complete Boothill simp who plays pretty much just him as my break dps bc FF got boring. Boothill is definitely S tier, while Luka is at most low A tier.

[@GodofGoblins]

@The_Celestial_Fox yeah so Luca is a 4 star nihility. And his application for dot isn't very strong compared to others. Most dot comps are with someone like a black swan or a Sampo or even guinafen, etc. Luca is about that burst that he can provide. But it's a very conditional burst. I know, I used him extensively. It's very powerful, but very very niche. Boothill thanks to his kit and break being so powerful is light years ahead of Luca. There is no debate there. And hey, I don't have black swan, but yes. She is way ahead of Sampo. No question. Older dps do care about elements yes, like jingliu or qinque or dhil etc, but they are also dedicated dps units. They aren't a nihility burst dot niche. Most agree Dr ratio is a high tier dps unit for example, but people are aware he appreciates imaginary weakness. Luca...if there are elite mobs that happen to be weak to physical, sure. But even on full out bosses, he is at best a sub dps, and that's being generous with all the hp inflation. And at that point a standard dot will likely perform much better anyways. Again, it's Hella niche. I love Luca, he is literally my profile picture. Lol he is a lot of fun. But yes, very niche. I'm glad you like him too though, people sleep on his E6 potential sometimes.

[@The_Celestial_Fox]

@GodofGoblins It doesn't seem like you played break Luka. Not a dig, just an observation. You're very focused on his dot playstyle, but dot has been dead since Acheron released imo. When HMC dropped, and having Gallagher and RM, break Luka was (and still is) insanely strong. At E5, I could almost full clear Aventurine in MoC 12 back in 2.1, but lacking E6 really screwed me. Then I got E6 on Boothill's banner, go figure. Luka is more than just a dot unit just bc he's got the nihility tag. Besides, nihility has always been a jack of all trades: dot, debuff, dps, now break with Fugue. Luka is fortunate enough that he's not tied down to just dot playstyle, which makes him more valuable than a D rating. Bleed and physical break are probably, if not, the strongest dot and break, respectively. Break Luka can do around 200k-400k break depending on break buffs from the team, his own break, and how low the weakness bar was before breaking, especially at E6. For a 4 star to do numbers that big, he deserves a higher tier than D. Calling him niche bc he needs to fight physical weak enemies is basically calling every character without weakness implant/ignore niche bc they have the same shortcoming. Besides, you'd pretty much always use those characters against bosses weak to specifically them anyway. It's not niche, it's just the way of the game. Get imaginary characters for imaginary enemies, fire for fire, electric for electric, etc.

[@GodofGoblins]

@@The_Celestial_Fox oh trust me I have. no need to make assumptions on me friend. ill respect you and you respect me ok? just because we disagree on something doesnt mean we gotta call each other liars or make assumptions. anyways, based off my experience, and I have PLENTY of experience with DOT and Luca, he is quite Niche. Prydwen reagrds him as Niche, even try hards like Gacha regard him as Niche. But when his Niche kicks in, oh baby. He does awesome damage and flat out deletes elites. And....that is Niche. If you really really enjoy him, that is fine. But no, regarding him as a Sub for Boothill as you said is a gigantic stretch. Just keeping it real. I love my boy (hell I find Boothill cringe) but I gotta keep it real. He is Niche and just ok

[@admiralalyssa]

I'm surprised to see how many people hate Destruction MC online. Trailblazer MC literally carried me to Lv 70. It's like comparing a training pistol to a magnum. They aren't as strong but they won't let you down.

[@randyjr.arsenio5624]

Okay. Yanqing maybe bad but he's not THAT bad. He's much more like a Poor-man's Ice Seele where instead of resurgence, you have FUAs on his Skill/Auto and Ult. He also has crazy Crate steroids so pumping up his CDG is easy. Sure Yanqing needs some support from other characters but what DPS doesnt. And the supports that you want on him are very universal anyway like Aventurine/Bronya/Sparkle/Sunday/Ruan Mei. Other ice characters are better than him? Sure but if you dont have any other choice but herta in a ST fight, Yanqing is very capable of being a stand-in.

[@theward0ctor974]

Sunday became the fattest buff in existance for King Yuan. Dude really became the honored one

[@DSDSDS1235]

asta's kit is great, its a slightly more interactive kit than ruan or robin, with the right build she is auto only with a very consistent team wide atk% buff and a quite frequent speed buff or a toughness bar nuke. It is a shame how much her 4 star status limit her numbers.

[@Jon-lr8nx]

Now that we have Sunday, Topaz will receive a damage boost which would significantly increase her value as a DPS or Sub-dps

[@HachannEinzbern]

Not really as a sub-dps since Sunday's support isn't AOE, but as a Hypercarry yes, they are surprisingly good together

[@sethputrelo3748]

Solid list, though I disagree slightly with a few rankings 😆

[@gimbo4025]

i definitely think some of the four stars belong in a higher tier, qingque is still a powerhouse, luka is a beast in break/superbreak teams, yukong is difficult to use but does have situations where she provides a lot. hanya is still a good buffer and skill point regeneration is really valuable, and serval does really well in pure fiction. pela should absolutely be in s tier, shes easy to build and one of her best lightcones is free, she is not tied to acheron teams! there are a few characters that *everyone* should be investing into and one of them is her

[@harurosech.4848]

fun thing about Yanqing: his ultimate does less damage than The Herta's skill.

[@edgarrdz8518]

you build luka to get those 2 achivis from the luminary wardance and the battle related ones. dump exp on him get those 3 tickets and like 10-15 jades lol

[@dapper-alcremie460]

Lowkey you could probably run break hook, if himeko was able to ride off the fire weak enemies hook has that same possibility

[@lum_berry111]

break himeko works because of her special synergy with break tho. it’s probably possible to run break hook but i wouldn’t expect great results considering she’s mostly single target too

[@seluhir8820]

Define 'good'. Good enough to use? Ya, if you like them. Good enough to pull? Probably not unless you REALLY love them... well except Ruan Mei, Kafka and huohuo, they're still very good. I do wish they'd do a levelcap increase and expand everytone's talent trees, and buff weaker characters via theeir expanded trees. But...

[@tavonlewis2629]

Please don't recommend people pull for Kafka, DoT hasn't gotten any love since Black swan came out and there are no plans for DoT in the foreseeable future. DoT is DeaD

[@seluhir8820]

DoT has been a stable ~tier 1 team since Kafka came out and I doubt its going anywhere, because its so stable. Its not DEAD, its just not tier 0. You're probably also the type of hyperbolic person who is like 'SPARKLE IS DEAD BECAUSE SUNDAY EXISTS' aren't you? Also, all it takes is one super busted dot character to come out and suddenly Kafka's value spikes again. People only interested in being at the absolute top of the meta shouldn't pull for ANY old characters except maybe Robin and Ruan Mei. Full stop. Nobody else. I'd say even like Firefly and Fei Xiao are probably not worth pulling on a rerun if you're aiming to be at the top of the meta because new dps will likely powercreep them too. But if you're looking for characters that will give you greater variety of strategy and will allow you to play different team types to clear content in an efficient and fun way... Kafka DoT will likely always be stable and usable.

[@Dereck1234]

yea i totally agree on ruan mei, like holy shit i cant build a team without her! like im actually upset you can have multiple teams with the same character lol! and to think i just pulled her on a whim.

[@emberthecatgirl8796]

0:03 EXCUSE ME, WHAT?!? I mean, you are probably right, but goddamn what an opener Also yes, pink lesbian jesus is the best, I will fight by your side

[@rusope1050]

i feel like these days i am completely lost when it comes to star rail

[@skyhart9926]

Yes. Me too. the meta shift is so fast. there no patch (or even half a patch) that you can ideally rest and skip. newer units are always stronger. older units that you invested in just won’t work effectively anymore. and it takes so long to collect calyx mats for Traces. very expensive Credit-wise too. Also low sources of gold fragments to level up relics and ornaments. Halfway through your investments you’re told “hey you gotta invest in these new units or you’ll be left behind. forget your not-so-new units.” i feel lost too in HSR. who do i get? who do i invest in? who is future-proof? who is skippable? what is the best team? is this character worth it? once you spend your stellar jades and get your units, the next thing you know, they’re powercrept next patch or two already. Like let me breathe for a minute here. 😮‍💨

[@rusope1050]

@@skyhart9926 aah so glad i'm not the only one! like, i feel like i completely lost grabs with what units you "need to have" and i feel like ALL units i have are kinde useless xD except maybe acheron. i like to play with the characters i love ffs, i hate to be forced to pull certain characters just to be able to clear some content (e.g.: i never wanted sparkle, i don't like sparkle. i kinda had to get her on rerun anyway because without here, dan heng IL just felt so useless these days... ) idk. star rail is just weird. dunno if other f2p feel the same but i feel like it's completely impossible to keep up.

[@RSatoshi]

Im still waiting for a new DoT support or anything for DoT, the problem is DoT and Debuff is really close with each other making DoT in a weird position. Plus, break meta is still reigning supreme, i know people will debate that follow up is more meta because of feixiao, but if you think about it, Feixiao technically speaking is not follow up. Her strength comes from her ultimate same as Acheron. Anyway, i just wish there will be a new DoT unit or DoT SUPPORT that will make DoT back again.

[@tahraki4918]

8:52 saving this moment

[@ticoliro18]

HP related buffer inbound since Midei will have hp mechanics also, maybe Blade comes back like JY

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

@9:20 it is what it is but this overall constant health increase frustrates me

[@LeoLikesLamb]

Your videos butter My biscuits thank you

[@oz_boz]

Honestly, I feel like Fu Xuan is just too uncomfortable to use in most content nowadays. Every boss spams AOE and very few specialize in single target. It's so frustrating to deal with trying to keep her from getting one shot that I'd rather use Luocha or Gallagher. I don't even remember the last time I brought Fu Xuan to any content.

[@SiddharthRoy-mm2nr]

I forgot that FX existed lol. Ya you are rigjt she is very uncomfortable rn. I use HH and Gallagher

[@reshmin1760]

She isn't bad but heavy DoT and AoE attacks are her worst nightmare

[@GentleIceZ]

Luocha is situationally still very useful to me who has E1 Fu Xuan, E1 Huohuo and E0 Aventurine because I like running Clara. Clara is very strong still, but she doesn't have the self sustain that Yunli has and because I build my Aventurine for damage he can't keep her safe from every attack she takes. This is where Luchoa comes in, because his absorption field means Clara is healing with every attack. I enjoy this tech even if it's not meta, and I don't really see it becoming meta either considering both how much extra stuff new characters can do and how Yunli has self-sustain implies newer characters that would like Luchoa for the above reason probably won't actually need him because they'll also have some form of self sustain. I mean, look at Firefly Writing this made me realize how much I dislike power creep. It makes everything feel worse and is solidifying whether I prefer Genshin over Star Rail. I cleared floor 12 with a Childe/Ororon team last week, and I ain't gonna be able to do that with Seele in the near future now, am I? It was cool I got her in literally my second 10 pull, but now it's like who cares? It makes me feel like I'm wasting my time here.

[@skyhart9926]

Yeah Genshin powercreep is not rampant. I still clear Abyss even with 1.0 and 2.0 units. HSR powercreep is friggin’ an epidemic. Like I can’t keep up unless I get the newer units (and spend). but i refuse to spend anymore on Hoyoverse games.

[@reshmin1760]

Luocha is probably one of the most underappreciated five stars in the game imo. He's still useful to me as someone with Fu Xuan and Aventurine

[@diazpramudita5165]

Genshin character powercreep is almost as bad. The good thing in Genshin are, the elemental reactions plays as a really good "buff" that is easily accessed by every character and the dev actually doing good balancing, they balances enemies HP pool around characters with lower power budget, which is a really responsible move from gacha game dev in my book.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

though i love fu xuan, i feel like she should be A tier. the fact she doesnt have a constant cleanse feels kinda bad especially against dot, her cc barier feels very good but its only once per skill and it takes effect even if the character effect res can handle it so its wasted even if u would have been fine without it that could have been save for more powerful cc. compare to aven, she is more sp negative. though imo her sustain overall compare aventurine sustain outside follow up, hers is better but aven sp positivity is so good. also dot just destroys her without a cleanse. and the fact fu xuan has to use sp when her barrier runs out no exception unlike aven or huohuo who even if allies low hp or shield about to be out, can take a lil dmg and uses their skill after to sustain but any dmg fuxuan team takes hurts her sustain much more cause its like they are using their hp bar as sustain argenti is so weird because in theory he still works but his pf clears nowadays is much worse than before. sunday was much more buffed to v4 but they nerfed him to v5 :(

[@scorpx3790]

If Seele gets buffed like OUR general i'm refilling my copium tanks

[@hansons6363]

I think this video would could use face cam like your review on the league noxus season

[@user_vsaber]

Here's my version on the list: S - Pela | Herta | Himeko | Bronya | FuXuan | HuoHuo | Ruan Mei | Tingyun | Dr. Ratio | Topaz A - Loucha | Kafka | IL.DanHeng | JingLiu | Argenti | Jingyuan | Clara B - Seele | Silverwolf | Blade | Xueyi | Asta | C - Guinaifen | Welt | QQ | Lynx | Sushang | P.March 7th D - Natasha | Sampo | Bailu | Luka | Hanya | Serval F - Arlan | Hook | Yanqing | Yukong | F+D MC | DanHeng The list is not ordered to how much better they are to each other like all S rate characters are all best investment. A for Very Good, B for Good, C for Decent, D for usable, F for Don't Invest at all. Quite similar to the list but here's the notable reasons. S - Pela - mostly used in every endgame content and is currently more used than Tingyun. A - Clara - still slapping content both MoC & PF, just a bit downgrade to Yunli. A - Jingyuan - really requiring other limited supports to be strong (Robin, Sunday, Topaz). B - Asta - still a good support with DDD. B - Xueyi - still good with superbreak or Robin for crit build. C - Sushang - as long as there's physical weak enemies or brute element with Robin or Superbreak, she's still great. C - Preservation March 7th - can still sustain just requires proper executions.

[@RainStorm148]

as a Fuxuan main, i'm actually afraid what the Remembrance character will do to her. now instead of tanking for 3 others, you're tanking for 4 others. you might die to AoE damage faster

[@MrGshinobi]

Herta is going to get even BETTER with The Herta in 3.0, so she’s not getting replaced any time soon lol