Clorinde Could've Been So Much More... - Electro's Diversity Crisis | Genshin Impact

[@BamaMophi]

Electro’s over reliance on Dendro can be a little Aggravating.

[@RoyalTfrii]

Ok cyno

[@Eternity116]

Sigh... it's spreading... 😏

[@VarsII]

I hate you.

[@ibrahim5463]

​@@Eternity116 i was gonna do that joke but my heart VAPORIZED when i saw you beat me to it

[@saimfaisal6795]

People decide to 'quicken' with these jokes, I swear

[@sap1914]

Problems with electro dps Cyno: uptime is way too long Clorinde: uptime is way too short

[@nationalgeografic7687]

You can at least control cyno's stance length and switch out early if needed

[@nobody-xh6ii]

TF works for her. EM sands, EM substats, atk%, crit, crit. Nahida, baizhu, furina. Done.

[@eurekadiaz3771]

the playerbase: insist on farming Arlecchino's artifact with rigged drop % instead of using 4TF when they know it is the solution to their problem.

[@vladys001]

her problem is not too short, but cooldown of the ability is much longer than its uptime. 7.5s vs 16 s, when Furina has 20 sec CD and 30 sec uptime.

[@sungjoo1360]

@@nobody-xh6iiwhy would you even do that?? Clorinde with Baizhu??

[@kibathefang6022]

Electrocharged: I don't exist. Electro character specific to support Cryo physical units: We don't exist.

[@tiger-ym7ln]

Has a eula main i can confirm I don't exist 😢

[@jsfiii1212]

electrocharged is in the domain of anemo units currently

[@garb8933]

really wish sethos was an electrocharged support or just anything interesting instead of ANOTHER aggravate/hyperbloom dps, and hes a 4* so his dps is never gonna be good enough 😭😭

[@Flaggerz]

​@@garb8933 honestly a Cyno support would have been better as well

[@baanfrey]

Clorinde being the first ever dedicated Physical dmg sword user would have been better cause at least she would have been unique and would give Aquila Favonia and Prototype Rancor actual proper use. Now we just got yet another Electro Aggravate bot like WHY?! 😭

[@fiddlemyfoddle6374]

Personally, I love Clorinde more than I thought I would. To me she embodies the peroperties of electricity. Fast, constantly moving, always changing, constant, and crazy painful. I love her and I haven't even done her story stuff. Not even a little disappointed.

[@zekkekeipa6521]

Oh yeah, very unique feeling... That i felt playing Keqing since 1.0...

[@twixterrr]

Same I been wanting an Electro dps and I love her kit

[@rushalias8511]

For me clorinde actually feels.like she needs skill to play or at least needs proper timing to execute her attacks to there full potential

[@EllyG]

Same here! This is why I wanted her badly.

[@KingMufasa_8]

​@@zekkekeipa6521 as someone who played alot of keqing, something has to be wrong with you if you think she feels anyway similar to clorinde

[@kacperwoch4368]

I wanted a tall lady with a sword and I got one just today. The issue is she constantly talks about Mondstadt and is busy chasing after a bomber child. Yes, I lost 50/50 to Jean.

[@pasanoidkekw]

kinda won, actually

[@dovelay]

And I got a broke fortune teller 😢

[@kacperwoch4368]

@@pasanoidkekw I did not have her before so i wasn't mad. Also, winning my 5th 50/50 in a row would be too good of a story.

[@pekboy2000]

At least they didn’t troll you by giving you the original electro clorinde

[@Nabiruuu]

​@@kacperwoch4368same with me for kazuha banner I won 9 50/50 in a row 😂 and then now I have C1 qiqi well I'm guaranteed clorinde so I'm chilling

[@arshitektur2210]

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Fischl. I try to play Miko. My Fischl deals more damage. I try to play Keqing. My Fischl deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Fischl deals more damage. I want to play Clorinde. Her best team has Fischl. I want to play Alhaitham, Arlecchino. They both want Fischl. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her The Stringless. She isn't satisfied. I pull Elegy of the End. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Beidou and forces her to throw herself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Aqua Simulacra." I can't pull for Simulacra, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Oz. She says "Oz, reveal thyself." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd electro application. What a cruel world.

[@woodykusaki9970]

My Alhaitham deals more damage than Fischl. You need to play him better.

[@northsouteastwesk3435]

This copypasta never fails to make me laugh 🤣

[@usmanya5110]

what... i mean keqing and sometimes nahida yeah but how come al and arle get outdamaged by fischl?

[@kison7715]

​@@woodykusaki9970 it's a copypasta joke. take it easy, lad

[@kibathefang6022]

Alhaitham outdamaged by Fischl? 😂

[@ap0llogetic427]

I'm honestly disappointed at the lack of creativity with Clorinde's kit but at least she has one of the best burst animations we've seen so far 😔

[@animatedamons470]

That 7.5 uptime was certainly a decision

[@wifibattler7890]

@@fatuusdottore I genuinely don't understand how you can call arle a "lack of creativity", but then praise clorinde for having "amazing and unique mechanics." they both play very similar, you use the skill and then spam left click. if they were the same element, people would be complaining left and right that they're just the same character.

[@Accountthatexists]

@@fatuusdottore bro is madge😡

[@woodykusaki9970]

Yes Clorinde lacks creativity which is fine. She looks boring anyway.

[@ka.o.r.i]

@woodykusaki9970 in what world does she look boring hello??? this might be the worst take I've seen on her yet

[@FormerEmiliaBestWifi]

I really want to see more reactions like freeze. A reaction that doesn't multiply damage, doesn't do any transformative damage, in fact it just doesn't do any extra damage in general. But what makes it very unique from the other reactions is that it brings something else into the game. While freeze isn't original, it's very unique and makes the gameplay feel more diversed. Imagine if we can get a sandstorm reaction or something that can debuff the enemies or blind/immobilize them or even make them act differently... It would be infinitely interesting and fun.

[@usmanya5110]

that could have been geo and Anemo.

[@BallZackKisser]

Hypothermia 😍

[@ichigoichie369]

Yess, but they will then nerf these reaction by making some enemies immune to them. Like how some newer enemies are immune to freeze.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

On the other hand freeze is useless against so much of the content its hard to justify it. Id say superconduct is a better example because it will always work.

[@vanilla_milkshakes]

ya mean Tighnari?

[@anonymousaylin4609]

I believe that a nilou type support for electro that makes electro charged better would easily solve the problem of the constant need for demdro in teams,maybe its not a long term solution but it would be a step in the right direction

[@skyhart9926]

Yes, like a Chevreuse-type support that buffs Electro-charged and requires only Electro and Hydro characters in a team.

[@jyro1072]

@@skyhart9926 please no more of this "you're only allowed to play X and Y element on the team" supports, you can point an unit into a playstyle direction, but forcing elements just breaks comp variety so hard it's always braindead and with a limited floor/ceiling based on the units that are available (like nilou's performance is heavily influenced by having nahida)

[@skyhart9926]

⁠@@jyro1072 if u want variety of team comps, then there are those teams that don’t require certain fixed elements, and then there are teams that require fixed elements. that in itself is already a form of variety.

[@vladys001]

@@jyro1072 you can not use Chevereuse to have other combinations that you had before. She made viable teams without Kazuha or overused Hydro element. That's kinda point of having such units

[@jyro1072]

@@vladys001 chevreuse is mostly acting like kazuha in her teams, instead of making something interesting out of overloads, and doesn't work in the teams that actually make overloads valuable (overvape/soup)

[@AllMightyKingBowser]

I personally would love to have Superconduct get some love. One of the most forgotten and forsaken reactions in the game. I mean, I know it is mandatory for Physical DPS, but that is exactly the problem. The AoE Cryo explosion is very fun to play around, and contrary to Overload which can damage 1 enemy only once, Superconduct can hit twice. A buff to the reaction, or characters that play around it like Chevrousse with Overload. In fact even players forget about Superconduct lol, everyone talks about Electro-charged, Frozen, Crystallize and other reaction that need more love but they never mention Superconduct.

[@Defi4nc3s1]

I think, they failed at that when trying to appeal with Mika and Shatter boy (forgot his name). And I'm not convinced we will get another attempt not before the Cryo empire. As for physical dps, I think they don't wana hurt their Eula sales any further as she is currently the only solo physical unit. PS: Altho there are other units that can put solid physical damage aswell.

[@phoenixsectumsempra7205]

or shatter

[@vincikeeper1581]

​@@Defi4nc3s1Freminet

[@strombago]

I believe that Vars should have mentioned just how much Fischl just invalidates personal damage contribution of electro on field dps. Not only she's dealing a comparable damage to electro main DPS in aggravate teams, but also the problem is, like xiangling who deals damage independently from her on field dps but can synergise with hydro/electro on fielder, fischl does that AND is boosted from electro application both through a4 and c6, especially a4. She synergises with and is boosted by her electro main dps in aggravate.

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

Did we all just forget that Chevreuse buffs Electro and Pryo damage equally? Everyone speaks like she only buffs Pryo, lol. My approach is exactly the same as with Arlecchino. Clorinde, Raiden, Bennett, Chevreuse. Chevreuse buffs, Clorinde uses her Burst and Skill until it times out, swap to Raiden, Burst and run its time down, repeat. Bennett ult between Cheveruse or just before Raiden. Probably going to swap Bennett for Thoma though, because it's really difficult keeping the fight in Bennett's circle with Clorinde's dashing. Also, it's minor, but she does gain Bond of Life based around the healing she receives, so that can lead to instances where you get a few more max damage Skill use in. Though I REALLY wish they'd show Bond of Life as a % rather than just trying to decipher the bar. Whose going to realistically think that 100% is the halfway mark?

[@melaniewilson1742]

Oh, interesting idea, since Raiden and Chlorinde both have low uptime. Do you use this in Abyss?

[@hqhuy931]

Clorinde is a must=pull for me but not for gameplay reasons - she's pretty much every electro dps ever but with a little bond of life and a very cool burst animation that rivals the queen of bursts herself - raiden shogun. I do hope the next dendro unit - the perfumer lady - will be different and fun to play.

[@bunny8372]

Sadly to say: perfume lady (emily) it's dendro

[@hqhuy931]

@@bunny8372 as in a new playstyle that breaks the mold unlike clorinde

[@pinospin9588]

she revolve around burning

[@frankxu4795]

I have a good feeling that the perfumer lady might be designed to pair with Clorinde. Dendro, electro, + Furina? I suppose it might provide some different flavor of Hyperbloom or aggregate.

[@chopstick7793]

@@frankxu4795 perfume lady is off field and burning focused, so no lmao

[@yourlocalyanfei]

Electro kinda feels like it doesn’t have an identity outside of “death by a thousand cuts”, but with how few actual dps there are of electro that statement really isn’t super accurate imo.

[@lucasayabe]

Not that i don't agree but its like saying that pyro doesn't have an identity outside big numbers

[@maevethefox5912]

I think we need to start talking about the Nahida problem in the same way the Bennett problem has been discussed. She's so universal and overtuned that they effectively HAVE to balance Electro and Dendro DPS' around Nahida's support abilities, toning them down so that Nahida doesn't shoot them into wild powercreep spaces. But that then leaves you in a space where they're then really underwhelming feeling outside of Nahida teams. I guess Fischl can be talked about in that vein too, given that driving her is half their jobs as well. I was so eager to see her as a unit that could bring Electrocharged to the forefront, or was balanced well around Chevreuse teams. What we got, while strong, just feels ... unfortunate. I can't wrap my head around why they dropped that uptime nerf on the last beta patch, all it did was limit her teams out of nowhere.

[@pontusborg7642]

Problem with nahida is, her application is nigh permanent, nothing aside from a outright nerf of her kit would fix that. And we know that CCP rules wont allow Mihoyo to nerf Characters within a monetisation banner. She is too good, like Kazuha and Furina, since as this game never punishes a DPS-over-survival playstyle (Abyss and Imaginarium are timed after all) Then we have the characters that are more of a endurance character than anything: Dehya is a survivor but her existance does pretty much nothing to the overall damage, and this makes her irrelevant in almost all gamemodes, if not all gamemodes. Since most Bosses either have instakillers, or damage that wont threaten you at all if you just have a decent healer on your team.

[@Vulkrein]

I feel like in general we're at an impasse with this game. Dendro's release was a breath of fresh air cause it allowed for new reactions, and for both old and new characters to be explored. Nowadays, "unique" mechanics are honestly quite difficult to implement since we already have so many niches and character roles; you can only really diversify so much till we get literal copies of a character but in a different element. On the opposite side, too much uniqueness is bad too since it might just completely isolate the character from the already existing roster. Maybe just give geo some dendro reactions or something lmao or more reactions (the ousia pneuma was basically negligible/barely noticeable) Edit: added some stuff

[@Naruto4995]

I agree with the impasse. To me, it feels like unless they go for a different approach for reactions themselves. There's nothing much but scaling numbers and what you've mentioned above. Though given this how many characters that saturate the game as is with this limited frame, I can't be too surprised.

[@TacticalDimples]

On top of that, we have WuWa’s combat to look at and can see that they indeed can make really creative kits with just 3 (or 4 if you count intro/outro swaps) buttons. I think Genshin’s problem is that they’re TOO casual. They don’t want to take any risks and this applies to the whole game and not just their combat. This is fine in the beginning, but gets stale especially after 3 years.

[@leoji-eg5bj]

​@@TacticalDimples becuz they want it to stay casual. it's gathered a lot of casual players, those players who plays to cool some head off and not waste their energy onto understanding game mechanics. wuwa is there for a reason, i think it's a good idea that they're good at this type of game mech but i hope genhsin won't stray to far from being casual.

[@draganicraft4537]

I heard Natlan might bring new reactions, so fingers crossed !

[@wooshiey]

completely agree. we need more reactions. i honestly don’t understand why they wouldn’t give us a reaction with geo and dendro - the only reason i can think of is because it would basically make dendro way too overpowered… but with how underwhelming geo feels sometimes (Navia is the only exception), it could really use that type of buff. i’m hoping with the release of Natlan they’ll be rolling out more burgeon related stuff as it was so outshined by hyperbloom and bloom. it would even be cool if they introduced a different reaction other that crystalized for pyro and geo as like a lava type reaction (cause pyro land) but that’s just me severely coping lmao. and i remember when the pneuma and ousia stuff was announced it just felt so… underwhelming and a bit gimmicky. i mean it makes sense when it comes to stuff like the lore but combat wise it really doesn’t feel like it matters.

[@joshuafenty5621]

Something else that makes aggravate and hyperbloom so monotonous is that Nahida is the only Dendro support capable of doing the job *well*. Every other Dendro off-fielder suffers from one or more major issues that makes them so much worse than Nahida. I say this as someone who loves and still uses Collei. Maybe Emilie will change this, but I highly doubt it. No other Archon has nearly as much of an iron grip over their element as Nahida.

[@sapedibeppo]

I’ve been enjoying Clorinde honestly - she clears a little faster than my Raiden and she’s fun to play But I like keqing too so

[@ajca711]

Electro enjoyers stay winning!

[@eszterfodor1136]

Is your Raiden c2?

[@frankxu4795]

@@eszterfodor1136 C0 Clorinde is more or less a different flavor of Raiden. C2 Clorinde does still clear faster than C2 Raiden. C6 Clorinde is a lot stronger than C6 Raiden.

[@blazerthegod2379]

Bro Raiden is an old character and most old characters have bad constellations but I still think a c6 Raiden is faster than a c6 Chlorinde

[@frankxu4795]

@@blazerthegod2379 I have seen some initial tests for that. C6 Raiden is not even close to C6 Clorinde. Fountain characters' constellation is way stronger.

[@starukami7420]

I hesitate to see anything wrong with a lot of the aspects Clorinde is criticized for in these examples... Sure, for the meta players she will probably not bring much new or much value to the overtuned teams they already have. But for everyone else? Clorinde still puts out extremely serviceable damage, a unique playstyle, gorgeous animations, and a very comfy experience with her BoL and healing mechanics. Could she have introduced a new teambuilding niche for Electro? Sure. But did she really need to, or is just being a well-designed and fun character enough?

[@doomslayer8985]

What's the point of pulling for chlorinde when she doesn't do anything better than raiden which most of the playerbase has and doesn't bring anything new to the table rather than being a NG+ Keqing 2.0

[@YaiphabaNgangom-u4g]

​@@doomslayer8985mean she is way more fun to use them raiden and kequing

[@roxas303]

​@@doomslayer8985 because raiden is boring to play and clorinde is better at aggravate then raiden

[@Chaos1091]

​@@doomslayer8985funny I don't have Raiden at all but Chlorinde has been a beast for me. Especially at C2 with Absolution. Gonna C6 her next rerun.

[@stylerxo3654]

What I like about Clorinde is that she is way more flexible than any Electro character we have received since launch. She has: the Qiqi/Furina team, Chevy teams, QuickBloom teams, Aggravate teams, and I'm sure you can even play her in mono-electro if you want. Maybe I'll try that, I'd just have to actually build Sara.

[@redlox2]

I pulled for her since she is busty badass, that is enough for me. I don’t regret pulling for her so this video is just to see Vars opinion on the matter.

[@vincentlau6325]

When Tartaglia eventually gets an electro release *It's my time to shine*

[@cat.2260]

Not-so fun fact: Her Night Vigil state duration used to last longer than 7.5 seconds. If memory serves me right, it was initially 9 seconds, but suddenly knocked down as the final adjustment before release. I have a couple theories; Either they did this thinking that she's too powerful, more powerful than Raiden Shogun. Or, they want you to pull for constellations.

[@frankxu4795]

9s version was deemed too strong. Even with 7.5s, her damage is respectful. 9s would make her a lot stronger than Raiden, which would hurt Hoyoverse's bottomline. They still want to sell Raiden in future banners.

[@MrMagnetron2]

Than why would they release a character if they don’t want them to sell?

[@Thurmanism]

@@MrMagnetron2They still want raiden their “most successful character” to sell even though from my experience I think that Clorinde is more powerful than raiden especially when it comes to sustained damage.

[@betomsd1]

They obviously want everyone to pull for constellations, did you forgot Neuvi c1, Wrio c1, Arle c1 or c2, Navia c1 or c2? Literally almost every new DPS from Fontaine has an insane c1 or c2 (I said almost all of them cuz I don't remember Lyney's constellations)

[@shonenhikada9254]

@@Thurmanism she is not.

[@neilan___222]

I feel like Chlorinde was meant to be an Overloaded character, especially given the shared motifs between her and Chevreuse, but I just dont see how that could be successfully done given Chlorinde's crazy attack speed

[@sap1914]

We came to a time when all new characters were so OP that when a balanced character came out, everyone thinks it's weak

[@davidez4640]

Yep, Neuvilette and Arlecchino spolied us

[@drexleribanez]

that's not what the video is about.....

[@randomness.stupidness]

at least qiqi is meta again tho😭😭

[@VrtielA6300]

Neuvillette and Arlecchino ruined everything of I believe in the characters of I love. All because only for Spiral Abyss as the only aspect. 👎

[@kmekosnk840]

what are people talking about bro clorinde is also op she does more damage than raiden

[@nickname6007]

I wouldnt be suprised if she is gonna be better once we get the Natlan Charakters.

[@frankxu4795]

Likely better with Emilie already. She might have something to offer in an aggravate team pairing with Clorinde.

[@SinceroOdio]

@@frankxu4795 Emilie will be burn archetype though. Don't expect Clorinde to get much better, her kit sets clear limiters on her performance. Maybe better normal attack buffer, but aside from that I don't see much for her.

[@jacktheripper7935]

Waiting for a character to make another one better is a horrible game design.

[@zmkatsu4885]

​@@jacktheripper7935that's genshin for you. Making money out of money in a money. Literally the balancing teams and their marketing know how to wash their fanbase. This is why supporting games like wuwa will change their mindset.

[@arteliniusz.5872]

@@zmkatsu4885 it'll take time for wuwa to make a dent into genshin's popularity and standing. Genshin so far has been lucky that wuwa had quite a rocky launch, if the devs at kuro will be competent enough and make the right decisions, then wuwa could perhaps finally be the "genshin killer" that oh so many were looking for.

[@shockdoggo6889]

I think clorinde is the definition of "within expectations" for me . Shes not as broken as the likes of arlecchino or neuvilette but shes certainly a step and a half above the quicken on-fielders that came before her. I just kinda wish she had more team comps outside of dendro and furina

[@VarsII]

Hence why I said she's "whelming". Not "underwhelming" or "overwhelming" lol

[@tehsoulkeeper]

I think Clorinde is a well-balanced character that is very fun to play. Not every character that comes out has to powercreep the entirety of the other characters to be viable and good. She can 100% clear abyss and be a valuable pull. I find it good that her power level is not overtuned To make an electro hypercarry with high scalings, I would imagine they would give them an anti-synergy with dendro I suspect that as more dendro supports come out, dendro / electro reactions will turn even more broken than they already are. Maybe bond of life characters themselves end up getting buffs with future supports that touch on that niche. So it could be they designed her kit to be well-balanced now, to boost it to broken later

[@frankxu4795]

She is indeed very fun to play. She is not power creeping the entire electro roster, like Neuvillete and Arlecchino did for their respective element. But she is not weak by any means. With constellations, her damage can actually be outstanding.

[@tehsoulkeeper]

@@frankxu4795 Exactly! My bestie pulled for her and is very happy. Clorinde also makes exploring more fun with her dash

[@rice_lover]

@@frankxu4795 I really wish they didn't lower her skill duration though :( I'm still disappointed about that, but she is still really fun to play regardless.

[@LucasGotzz]

Any character can 100% the Abyss, even Qiqi and Aloy

[@sycamorewest]

Good take - super happy with pulling her. The lack of creativity in kit is more around general design space issues and doesn't detract from Chlorinde herself

[@Pulsebrain999]

Damn. From the comments you'd think she's Dehya level😂 She's not tho

[@KingJH0510]

even tho i dont plan to pull for her, i have to say clorinde is probably one of if not the most fun character to play. its like combining yoimiya's pew pew with xiao's shing shing and keqing's ult on top of it clorinde's fun factor is a 10 for me

[@gaddielalejandro4953]

well that’s on you, i really love Clorinde. so fast and always moving. you can use her in overload too. i don’t see you trying to play Hu Tao or Arlecchino on burning teams. of course characters are going to have one reactions that suits the best for them. 🙄

[@shawnjames5481]

Honestly after using Chlorinde, I wasn't disappointed. I cleared the abyss with a lvl 0 atk % sands (but I did use a R1 mistsplitter). Her gameplay is fun for me. But having an electro support/main dps specifically dedicated for superconduct or electro-charge would've been game changing

[@lockse098]

Now I may have missed the point of this video, cause I took it's message as "Clorinde is disappointing as a hypercarry, due to her still relying on (dendro) reactions and short uptime", but I'd argue that she is not even supposed to be one. I'd say she fulfills the same role as Childe, as both have good on-field numbers (with rather short uptime), solid burst damage and lots of elemental application with Clorinde having the focus on reactions build into her kit. Again, I could just be misunderstanding stuff and thus this whole paragraph of a comment could be completely useless/invalid. 😅

[@Deepstab1]

My main problem with this it’s how little off field dendro support exists, nahida it’s probably the best we will ever seen for off field dendro application until we get a dendro dragon sovereign and that makes team building quite boring in the long run, alhaitham greatest strength it’s not his numbers but his on field dendro application combined with decent personal dmg and very flexible rotations, meanwhile we have plenty of great off field electro applicators making electro on field dps a more stunted role

[@Dojafish]

5MC, Collei, that liyue girl is pretty good, Baizhu and heck even Alhaitham can be played off field. Just because they aren't the best, doesn't mean they can't do the job. Edit: Correction Alhaitham can't be used off field, that was my fault☠️

[@usmanya5110]

the current electro on fielders have potential, like cyno probably had the highest dmaging quickbloom team in the game. but he definitely has his certain issues, Keqing is easier but her multipliers are pretty low, and clorinde is like the middle.

[@theanarchist4312]

@@Dojafish How can Alhaitham be played off field?

[@Ranamon9132]

@@theanarchist4312I wanna know too. I’ll wait for this

[@Dojafish]

@@theanarchist4312 his skill does off field attacks

[@NorthInium]

Imo Clorindes kit also didnt really translate well from the cinematics to gameplay. Like she was portrayed as a swordmaster that could block bullets and all she does now is pewpewpew... Like after playing WuWa a lot their characters actually translate well from cinematic to gameplay. I guess Genshin gonna Genshin.

[@Ld17_]

Well in cinematics she still dashed and pew pew too..

[@yuki.35xxxv]

To think that she had 9s of skill duration in the Beta She wasnt even broken, and they nerfed her for no apparent reason Those 1.5 seconds really ruined her that much.

[@syaefullrizcky]

I think everyone just too focus on Aggravate.. Furina taser clear more faster and deal more consistent dmg.. With Nahida+Sucrosse EM buff at Aggravate team my Clorinde burst deal 40k(aggravate) + 4x25k dmg.. While on Furina taser it deal 5x33k bigger than average Raiden initial nuke on Rational.. That just from burst..

[@tlmcarjustarandomduck3981]

Combine them XD use both Furina dmg boost and aggravate

[@amandaslough125]

Nah. Everyone's just focused on Fischl. Can't stand other combinations to play her with.

[@lucasayabe]

I played Furina taser and i was surprised of how good was even healerless i managed to stack Furina buffs, and the team does a shit ton of dmg. Although, due to my account having C2 Nahida, this team don't come close to aggravate and Quickbloom. Quickbloom was disgusting broken with her, in my account, due to Furina C1 and Nahida C2 buffing her and Fischil.

[@briecarla556]

I cleared with aggravate clorinde but now that you say that im going to try clorinde taser

[@lestatstaton7856]

She should have been an Electrocharged Nilou/Chevreuse. Shes an Electro MainDps in the nation of Hydro with a Hydro God, and a Hydro Dragon as her boss. They totally ignored the severely underserved reaction to just make Keqing 2.0. Extremely disappointed and Im not wasting pulls on her if she does nothing new or better and even as a waifu we dont know much about her personality yet. Theres just no reason to get her when Furina re-run is right around the corner, and Natlan right after.

[@neoinfinity5204]

I figured after cyno we wouldn’t get new Mets electro for while so I pulled C2 R1 Ei and Miko who despite really disliking them were the best electro to vertically invest.

[@grimsdol4665]

I think it stems from how powerful the dendro resctions are, the only way for other electro resctions to compete with dendro is to require them to have a character to buff a specific reaction like chevruese, which isn't a good thing

[@rushalias8511]

saying electro is over reliant on dendro, is like saying pyro is overliant on cryo and hydro for vape and melt or how dendro is extremely reliant on hydro and electro for most play styles.

[@juggernaut6666]

I think people are just over obsessed with top damage. Her quickbloom team is definitely the best, no question. But the others have felt fine. I've used chevruse, fischl, dehya for 30-second kenki clears. Furina, yelan, xianyun, or Jean for electro charged feels fine.

[@ajreyes1262]

not every character needs to be on Neuvillette's power level, her DPS window is enough to do a lot of damage. Her main advantage is she's a slightly stronger Raiden Shogun that does not need a healer on her team, so you can use offensive supports for her

[@goddamnarshia]

Not every character needs to be worse than c6 dori either but here we are. Its shit game design , the duration nerf on her was braindead and judging by her in game trial , very likely to be blatant sabotage

[@ajreyes1262]

@@goddamnarshia if you can't handle her 4 second downtime that you can use to refresh buffs you have massive skill issue idk what to tell you lmao

[@goddamnarshia]

@@ajreyes1262 brain dead take. She literally has less uptime than downtime , as an on fielder. Even the trial runs her in overload as if its still the pre hot"fix" version of the character that was viable in overload. Its one of the most braindead changes in the history of beta updates , don't try to defend it

[@widows_tear4533]

i don’t think her strength was ever going to be an issue she’s electro so reactions can carry her. her uptime just negatively synchronizes w so many good supports. i’ve played her for like 8 hours sense she can out and it doesn’t feel good. not only tht her rotations make some buff specifically kazuha have less uptime. if y don’t go from vv shred directly into her then u lose a lot of damage

[@amandaslough125]

@@goddamnarshia Maybe she isn't designed to be a hyper carry? You want long on field duration pick Cyno, we barely even have the supports to teamcomp with him. Clorinde is clearly trying to be a new addition to the roster of short field time quick swap dps characters. Like Navia and Tighnari.

[@fancymustache3793]

Fun Fact the very last change made in the beta to chlorinde was the exact thing that made her unviable for a on-field dps. The duration was originally like 10 seconds or something I dont remember and the very last change was the nerf to 7.5 and literaly everybody was like "Why? she wasnt even that amazing before. Hoyo hates fun i guess"

[@lolidemon3163]

It was 9 seconds

[@fancymustache3793]

@@lolidemon3163 and those 1.5 seconds made all the difference

[@sugar-rice]

I was originally really excited for Clorinde, but after seeing her kit I kinda fell out of love with her. She doesn’t seem different enough from the other characters I have for me to warrant pulling, especially after mini whaling for Arlecchino. I may try to get Sigewinne though

[@lolidemon3163]

The fact hoyo made sige's kit weak af. I just hope the trial sells me to pull for her

[@markstewardson4006]

I always wonder if with the less powerful feeling characters if there is a trick either we have not seen or an upcoming release that shakes up the meta and increases their power in a meaningful way.

[@zaboono]

Damage may be low but I love the pew pew pew dash pew pew pew dash

[@VarsII]

Her damage isn’t really low though. It’s just that it’s not high enough for her to not just spam Dendro teams

[@frankxu4795]

Her damage is still good, just not off the roof level, like Neuvellete. With constellations though, C2 Clorinde has better damage than Raiden and C6 Clorinde has pretty comparable damage as Arlecchino.

[@woodykusaki9970]

Clorinde's damage is low. She's the weakest electro DPS. Only pull for her if you like her design. That's it. If you're pulling for meta, she should never be your option.

[@woodykusaki9970]

Nope lol. Even with c2, Clorinde is the weakest. Also, why would you even invest that much primogems on her. Unless you're a simp, she's not worth it.

[@lucaoprea112]

@@woodykusaki9970 keqing exists

[@gehtoodachoppa8603]

Been watching all your meta commentary series like why no one plays and what happened, and the one thing that is clear about Hoyo historically is that, while they refuse to rebalance or buff or nerf characters by changing them directly, they have a great acumen for seeing unused or underused characters and mechanics and coming up with new units that bring them back from the grave with new interactions that take advantage of older skill sets that need some help to become competitive. You say a lot that power creep is inevitable if they want to continue to generate interest in new units, but there is just as much (maybe more) ongoing value to be gained from continuing to invent new and novel interactions that create surprisingly good and previously unavailable team comps, especially those that use otherwise attractive older characters with flaws that made their kits unusable in older iterations of the meta. So far they have done a good job of this, and given the number of characters, reactions, and mechanics apparent in the game that could be interesting with novel interactions enabled by new units, it seems like they aren't going to run out of room to keep doing it for a while and eventually rehabilitate all of the older benched units. It's also a good reason to approach topics like this in terms of looking at what new units would we need and how would they need to work to develop unrealized potential of an existing unit, because sooner or later we'll probably get them. For example, it's clear from recent releases and what we know about Natlan and units coming soon that at some point we're going to get a new support like Chevreuse but for burning, which may resurrect that long forgotten reaction from the meta dustbin, and that probably will bring a few more perma benched units back onto the field, like how it's been discovered that suddenly Qiqi can be good again when paired with Chlorinde. Safe to say there are going to be some unexpected shifts in the meta for pyro in general that a year from now may look like just as big as the meta shifts that 4.X brought for hydro. In the same way, Dendro certainly did a lot for Electro, but we may not be done with getting new things for it, since we did also have Overload get a new lease with Chevreuse, and other things like Electrocharge, or a long shot I know, but maybe even Superconduct and Physical damage in general could be in line for similar buffs in the future.

[@dustinabigan2776]

Even when seeing Clorinde in the version livestream, I just couldn't shake the feeling that she's Keqing 2.0. First glance, her gameplay revolving around bond of life looked interesting, but it felt more like a feature that was added last minute if anything. At this point I'm starting to wonder if there are certain characters, just like with versions, that are considered more "filler" than anything of note other than if you like said character.

[@alport1331]

Don't we have Keqing 2.0 already with Alhaitam? They only share mechanic with Electro fusion and CR bonus. The huge difference is Clorinde is a heavy ATK scaler with self sustain using BoL mechanic exclusively.

[@daniilkalashnikov1337]

@@alport1331Just look at the archetype. Keqing is a sword user with shit ton of electro application via infusion, high mobility skill and aoe damage burst. Clorinde is a sword user (albeit with different stance but that matters little) with shit ton of electro application via infusion, mobility skill and aoe damage burst. Ofc she had to have some specific mechanic (being BoL) - otherwise she would actually be Keqing with different multipliers which is super lazy even by Hoyo standards.

[@alport1331]

@@daniilkalashnikov1337 Isn't that supposed to be an Electro archetype in general, though? Look, if she's a polearm user I bet you would still say the same. They're both on a "fighter" class lorewise so I wouldn't even be surprised they share similar traits. Mobility in their skill is just an oversimplification between the 2 abilities, and you disregard the Alhaitam comparison even though they visually and technically works the same. I doubt that that mobility of Keqing would even pass as a direct comparison to Clorinde but c'mon now we have Alhaitam to look for first.

[@zeer7676]

She is, no one will talk about her anymore in a week. Filler units like chiori and xianyun have nothing special or strong about them. People either forgot or stopped talking about them in just 1 week.

[@lucasayabe]

If you don't play her, much like Alhaitham, she looks like Keqing 2.0, but try to play her like you would play Keqing and will be a very shit run, she cannot refresh electro easely in aggravate, cannot switch to tank hits or refresh buffs, her lung attacks without auto-target are a pain in ass to make hit the enemies, her skill duration is too short, her ult has less s than Keqing, etc. Their kit design and animations sure are very similar so i understand the memes, but the actual gameplay is very different, Clorinde is much more harder to play than Keqing, even with Keqing doesn't having self heal, she still more ease to mantain alive as you can stop her combos without losing much DPS. Besides, once you get Clorinde playstyle right, she's an amazing DPS, has more damage than Keqing, her lunge attack, when positioned right, really helps in AoE, and with Furina her self healing really makes her tank. Also she works surpriseing well in overload and electro-charged teams (this last with Furina).

[@Spifyninja]

I've been so excited for Chlorinde's release ever since she first showed up in the archon quest. Electro has been my favorite element since I started playing the game, and with the new design philosophy for all the other version 4 units, I was excited to see what new direction they would take with the version's first electro character. So for that new direction to end up being Keqing 2.0... As much as I love Keqing, I'm a bit disappointed.

[@Defi4nc3s1]

Keqing 4.1? Keqing 2.0 was Cyno Keqing 3.0 was Alhaitham Keqing 4.0 was Chevruse

[@DeathTheManiac]

I mean.. if I can clear any boss from Floor 12 within 20 seconds or less with just Clorinde and any other reaction character, I really don't care if she's not revolutionizing electro element. Edit. Maguu Kenki took the longest at 17 seconds due to bad positioning with just Clorinde and Furina

[@shonenhikada9254]

fake hoyo account everyone.

[@DeathTheManiac]

@@shonenhikada9254 Ah damn, You caught me

[@Defi4nc3s1]

Don't worry, they will point a gun at Solo Ganyu runs when they are uploaded.

[@sakura_branches]

i think one thing is that i feel like a unit occupying a different niche than other characters of their element, while obviously good, doesn't have the impact that it could. for instance, it doesn't really matter that lyney is a mono pyro unit vs a regular vape carry. like yes it changes his teams and whatnot but there really arent that many situations where choosing vape vs mono pyro makes a significant difference. so while giving characters different archetypes is obviously good for player experience, it actually has little impact on game play, at least in terms of reactions. im hoping the new end game mode will incentivize trying more unconventional team comps cuz of the element restrictions

[@GenshinMobileGaming]

I've tried Clorinde in Overcarry and Hypertaser and they've been pretty good teams for her?

[@chihaotran1568]

@@fatuusdottore Yeah i am having a blast with her right now lol why doom-post a character just releasing lol

[@jacobian9826]

@@fatuusdottorewhy would someone be upset 4.6 is over?

[@xenoemblem7]

@@jacobian9826 No Arlecchino banner. Vars the goblin seems to think that everyone should get Arlecchino

[@wifibattler7890]

@@xenoemblem7 I genuinely don't understand why y'all can't stop whining about this, Arlecchino is leagues better than clorinde, as much as I love them both, and everyone SHOULD get arle

[@JP_93]

Right I didn’t find her that bad like this whole video is full drama about how “not bad” she is but still bad I don’t get it, I’m enjoying Clorinde and for me she’s so damn good and fun

[@syafiqrauf]

I hate it so much, why cant mihoyo just put a 5* electro EM scalling like alhaitham and nahida. Instead they put it on 4* out of nowhere just like saying "frick u, i do whatever i want" Like tf. Its like cyno all over again his kit surrounded using EM but scaling arround atk.

[@Eclipse_IV]

It's a bit too late for them to implement this, but from day 1, I've said that it would make sense for electro to be more focused on multi-target damage. I had imagined the elements fulfilling the roles close to the paths in HSR. I imagined it something along the lines of: Pyro being hunt/destruction, Hydro being harmony/nihility, Cryo being nihility, geo being preservation, anemo being erudition/harmony, and electro being erudition. Before the release of dendro, these relationships between the elements and the paths could be seen in the elemental reactions. For example (aside from crystalize with every element), ALL electro reactions dealt AOE damage, ALL pyro reactions dealt high damage that could be used against bosses effectively, ALL cryo reactions acted as some kind of debuff (cryo itself is a debuff, and sets up for melt damage), hydro reactions were kind of just used to buff other elements, geo is geo, and anemo does AOE damage and provides a bunch of buffs. Following that model, characters of specific elements wouldn't necessarily be shoehorned into a single playstyle either. Look at HSR for example. Outside of characters that fit the bill of their respective path, we have Argenti who is an erudition character that can deal single target damage. Seele is a hunt character that can take out groups of enemies. Robin is a harmony character that deals strong damage. Acheron is a nihility character that kills everything. These niches would be useful to genshin. Imagine if stages with 2 or more bosses were cleared slightly easier with electro because of AOE, or if stages with just one boss were slightly better with, or if stages with swarms of enemies could be debuffed by cryo (oh wait thats just morgana comp). And of course, in this scenario, they shouldn't make using the proper element a requirement. But it would make sense to give some elements an advantage in specific scenarios (which they already do). Before dendro was released, I was hoping that it would be some kind of damage over time centered element. Burn was already a reaction (and one that did single target damage, thus matching my idea for pyro). That would give dendro it's own niche separate from other damage types. I had hoped that dendro+electro would create a corrosion like effect that spread between enemies (for the DOT+AOE style), and i hoped that cryo+dendro would be some kind of debuff somewhat like the quantum break effect from hsr.

[@damaurmoore3088]

This channel is underrated, love your content

[@AnimeGeniuss]

I think Clorinde’s strength is being slightly underestimated. She’s very strong and currently the best aggravate DPS. I don’t think there’s any issue with her being a hypercarry. Now I will say I wanted more creativity with her. Like reviving electro charge or adding to overload.

[@VarsVerum]

I never said she was weak I was talking about how tiresome it is for every electro on fielder to just be a Dendro slave

[@sumbunniii8721]

The best? Says who 😂

[@AnimeGeniuss]

@@VarsVerum I know you’re not saying she’s weak and in terms of the Dendro slave thing I completely agree. I just think as a Dendro slave she does her job exceptionally well. Just referring to when you were mentioning inconveniences with her uptime and such

[@AnimeGeniuss]

@@sumbunniii8721 me

[@lafeechloe6998]

Yae is better at aggravate tbh

[@TJF588]

Much as I watch videos which I _could_ just listen to, really wish there wouldn't be so many recent cutscene footage some among us haven't got to ourselves for me to glance over to.

[@buttermanaws4693]

Still summoned as she one of the few characters as of lately that I just liked how she played that dispite her weakness I still summoned Through I probably won't use her for anything aside from having fun exploring with my other teams being my serious ones

[@wifibattler7890]

@@fatuusdottore still can't stop crying and whining huh? average genshin player, what a loser you are

[@animatedamons470]

​@@fatuusdottoreelectro ayato with a sprinkle of 💖💞dashes💫💖

[@peek3246]

​@@fatuusdottore tf are u even yapping about? This wasn't a review much less an attack about clorinde. It was a discussion on her playstyle not doing anything new for the electro element.

[@alport1331]

@@peek3246 Because there's one recent gimmick with Overload with Chevreuse and we have yet to see the extent of what it's capable of. I'd rather take this approach rather than expand to different mechanics too quickly which means requiring many new characters to pull for and build.

[@sumbunniii8721]

@@fatuusdottorebro her hat is beyond ugly…and she’s underwhelming. Shes glued to fischl for dmg & Chevruse for aggravate, which Chevruse who knows when they’ll run (crazy she was in the trial& not banner??) we haven’t seen Kaveh since release so who knows. Just bc yall skipped raiden for her & are disappointed doesn’t mean yall should act like she’s “busted”. Shes not. Cope harder

[@sasukeseal]

Interesting take. Not sure I agree with it. I think Clorinde stands out as the first Electro dsp who can use overload very effectively. I didn’t pull her for aggravate cause I have that covered with other characters. I’m sure she’s great in aggravate teams, but I’m loving her overload set up. Clorinde, Sara, Thoma, Cheveruse

[@ultimategamer1391]

W take

[@mechchococh.4313]

Clorinde is a good character, I love both her lore and gameplay The visual and audio are both good, and we can see that MHY is trying to complete the Bond of Life mechanic Without compare, Clorinde is no doubt an amazing character. But when we compare her to other character, I can't unsee the things she lacks. With Arlecchino, we can clearly see the topic of "Mark & Collect", surrounding Bond of Life You mark the enemy first, preparing with other characters, then collect and burst out damage And back to Clorinde, she revolves around Bond of Life, and...she switch sword & gun through enhanced skill/normal attack The other point, as this video stated...Dendro. The big reason why Arlecchino is being recognize by the majority of players, is because how freely she can be played She can fit into EVERY pyro-related team while still dealing big if not insane damage And they release Clorinde, which go back to the old way of "restrictive setup". Now ofc you can NOT use dendro, but lets be real, we all love the feeling "insane number go brrr" So we dont really have much choice when it comes to Clorinde. You either go dendro, or hope the RNGsus gives you the perfect artifact for other team combo Now I MUST say it again, I LOVE CLORINDE BOTH LORE AND GAMEPLAY Let's hope I dont get blasted by those overreacting people

[@bumibomber]

Imo the problem isnt restrictive gameplay its the obvious overlap that all electro carries except for fishcl are slaves to dendro and never do anything with electro charged or even overload. It's getting really stale.

[@nationalgeografic7687]

Simp's opinion is invalid

[@mechchococh.4313]

Nah, man, a failure's opinion is way worse than a simp's Which made my opinion the worst among the worst.

[@VrtielA6300]

​@@nationalgeografic7687 👎

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

9:51 electro needing to do continued damage, is such sweet poetry considering raiden is about eternity 😆

[@RagingPeanutButter]

Playing Wuwa has made me realize that Hoyo should really step up their gameplay mechanics. Probably not pulling on Siegwinne and Emilie because their kits are nothing special. Chlorinde does also fit in this category, but her burst is just too damn cool to pass on.

[@YukiZero]

NOT ALL CHARACTERS HAVE TO BE A GAME CHANGER.... IF ALL CHARACTERS ARE GAME CHANGERS THIS GAME WOULD BE FULL OF POWERCREEP AND INCONSISTENT META AND PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME CATCHING UP... this is a business model not a game. you can not have too many game changing characters that would make your consumers overwhelmed. majority of the community is still overwhelmed with neuvillette and arlecchino is bordering that. if they added another more it would be too much and they may end up losing players instead of retaining or gaining one because now a lot of players would be felt left out if they dont have the new unit... HYV knows they can only capitalize on FOMO up to a certain degree that anything beyond that is a business risk.

[@alaric2197]

this

[@Raisin_]

Very well explained video. This is exactly how I feel about her. I thought she was going to get the Neuv, Navia, Arle treatment, especially since she was labeled as an on-field attacker. And well.. she truly does feel like a NG+ Keqing lol. She's in no way bad, not underwhelming, but "whelming" like you said😅 It's just that she's pretty much reliant on dendro and you best make sure to not to get caught lacking when using her skill. Getting interrupted in that 7.5 second window is NOT fun

[@teo-kk7zk]

Am I the only one that thinks his mic is really quiet?

[@teo-kk7zk]

@@fatuusdottore I didn't want to imply that he is embarrassed. I was more thinking along the lines of technical difficulties.

[@wifibattler7890]

@@teo-kk7zk don't even bother responding to the guy, he's a troll loser

[@Uutalo]

@@fatuusdottoredamn homie got his pants in a bunch lmao. Did he insult your waifu or something?

[@sushai1742]

@@fatuusdottore who hurt you 💀💀💀

[@afluffball1705]

​@@fatuusdottorewow calm down Dottore I get you hate Arle but calm down ^_^

[@itsamemoo1372]

Her ult animation is hands down the BEST in the game since release. So action packed. Everything you said is true, I hate that her best team is Nahida Kazuha Fischl. But I enjoy everything about her, she is the most exciting to use Electro unit of all time, she is how the element is supposed to be, just non-stop dashing, charging, gunslinging, swordslashing action.

[@ryuzae2284]

Its so weird that cyno is too long Chlorinde is to short 😭

[@sergeanthuman]

height vs skill cool downs lmao

[@Yawar25]

The only thing I want is a Dendro Xinquiu or Dendro Xianling. Why is so hard to do that, Hoyoverse? 😅

[@Defi4nc3s1]

@@Yawar25 get nahida

[@Yawar25]

@@Defi4nc3s1 No

[@Defi4nc3s1]

@@Yawar25 Sure then skip all supports and wait for 2050 where they add Dendro Candace. fr

[@Sirindilable]

As someone who never accepted green goo element and simply ignored all dendro, nothing changed for me. Elecrtro is in the same spot as in 2.0 and i like it.

[@aron666able]

At this point I kinda hate Neuvillete, he has become the standard for people to complain about other charactes "He/she doesn't deal Neuvillete lvls of dmg therefore skiiiiip", really took the fun out of watching character reviews.

[@shonenhikada9254]

Nope the standard is navia. You got a 3+ year old game, no one is going to waste months of their life building a character up that's only as good as a 1.x, 2.x character.

[@jacktheripper7935]

Personally, the thing I hate is the fact that both Dehya and Neuvillette exist in this game and everyone is okay with it.

[@dakuyo5745]

​@@jacktheripper7935 IKR. It's inevitable some 5 stars will be stronger than others but this gap is just way too huge. Lots of people don't see this as a problem too so hoyo can just keep getting away with it.

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@dakuyo5745 Lots of people in this game are ready to eat whatever Hoyo throws at them. It's the source of almost all problems in the game.

[@nationalgeografic7687]

​@@jacktheripper7935truer words were never spoken bro 😔

[@lanfae9353]

I think the short field time DPS might be a new trend that they'll start giving us supports for soon. I remember when Navia came out, people were talking about how her field time is kinda short, too. I think we might see some supports in Natlan that either have very short cooldowns for essentially a revival of the quick-swap style or very long-lasting buffs so you can play two short field time DPS characters in the same team. I play my Navia with Raiden, and the only downside is that I don't really have room on the team for anyone to buff Raiden, but the ability to use Raiden's burst while I'm waiting for both charges of Navia's skill to come back is nice. I could definitely see that working well with Clorinde instead of Raiden, and I think we'll get more options in the future

[@c4rd764]

I came back to Genshin just for Clorinde. I gotta say, she did give me some hope with how fun the lunge mechanic is. But even with her signature weapon, C1 and a pretty min-maxed crit ratio, Spiral Abyss 12 was still a pain. It's fun dashing around and using the lunge as a pseudo dodge but the dmg just doesn't add up the same way my Navia (with her signature weapon and basically the same stats) does.

[@dontawanpitak]

How to make Electro units good? Make Electro-related reactions good! Overload, Electro-charged, and Superconduct have been so underwhelming. Adjust them like they did to Burning and Electro can resurface.

[@12311jordan]

I feel like this is getting out of hand. Even as a fan of his analysis, Vars releasing content on EVERYTHING is becoming a running gag in my friend group. Peddling an informed opinion on a character hours after their release is just ridiculous to me.

[@adnan7919]

I believe the characters has been out for a month in public beta. Most Content creators follow the beta, even i follow it if there is an interesting character. Also remember there is content creator server where these CCs test stuff

[@chihaotran1568]

Yeah true.... Generally i think she is a good unit. Not everything needs to be broken Neuvilette/Arlecchino level...

[@12311jordan]

@@adnan7919 since those servers are subject to multiple changes before launch, it would result in mostly speculation.

[@someoneinasia]

here's the thing for those who are new to hoyo games, affiliated CCs (content creators) get to test new character a week before release on a test server. which is why you see CCs releasing clorinde review the moment the patch went live, they get 1 week headstart.

[@Avaa-vanilla995]

That's a dumb complaint.

[@marajaneee]

When I first started playing I was super interested in super conduct, however 4 years later we have no super conduct dedicated enabler (not counting one size fits all raiden) 😵‍💫

[@kuvrut7747]

She is electro Ayato, I even gave her his sword. I wanted electro character. I really hate how Cyno is burst reliant.

[@Defi4nc3s1]

But apart from that he is closer to Clorinde in terms of damage than Keqing will ever be... since she is so outdated while Cyno's numbers are bigger and has EM scaling on top.

[@therealkueenfate1574]

I run her with navia. I feel that her kit being a short burst of high damage is helpful to other characters that also don't have that much up time.

[@phantomninja904]

People using her wrong is cringe. She is amazing with chevruse in overcharge. Litterally decemates in the most flashy way.

[@nationalgeografic7687]

From the showcases I watched, it's worse than aggravate 😐

[@VrtielA6300]

👎

[@Blackoutdmc]

I also noticed that the motion values on her attacks seems tiny. I was wondering if it was meant to be carried by high electro application for Aggravate procs and her A4 acting like a free Echo's set. But it doesn't seem like she stands out too far from what we already have established for Electro DPS units.

[@PorkyChop-Vincee]

If only her skill never been nerfed , she may have been one of the most fun character :'(

[@bonk8311]

i havent been looking at leaks, what was her skill before?

[@viego29]

Her rotation is much longer because it had a longer duration, now it's incredibly short.​@@bonk8311

[@bonk8311]

@@Tanubtanu gotcha, thanks

[@aksingia8281]

I think there are several factors that lead HYV to make her numbers the way they currently are. 1: Don't powercreep Raiden. In hypercarry teams, Clorinde is slightly worse than Raiden, but she's stronger in aggravate teams. 2: Fischl. Fischl is strong, really strong in aggravate teams. If you want to create an onfielder who's strong in aggravate teams, you have to make them apply electro a lot, but that means that will also proc fischl a lot. So they have to adjust that. Not changing how her kit works, I see only 1 way to make her deal more dmg without making her aggravate teams better. Increase the max dmg from her A1. That way she becomes stronger from atk buffs, but what did you achieve with that? You created a character that will deal as much or more dmg as raiden in hypercarry teams, and more dmg in dendro comps. Basically, powercreep. If you don't want to powercreep Raiden you have to for example increase her dendro application, to increase her number of aggravate procs, but for each proc of aggravate you increase her dmg by Fischl's A4 dmg. Fischl's existence make it impossible to have an electro driver be good without her, because he would be insane with her.

[@martir851]

The 7,5s uptime is terrible,yes

[@Nik-GW2]

I mean you gotta just love it when you play fischl with her and see maschinegun oz

[@mika-ym4ch]

They are so scared of powercreeping archons it's crazy🙃

[@denji2720]

They did it once idk if they will do it again........

[@jawn5661]

Well duh the archon units are supposed to be the creme of the crop for their specific element. Having a non-archon character powercreep them would ruin that value

[@allg3559]

They could just buff the archons then, but they probably won‘t

[@abdiabdi3225]

​@@denji2720 Because the last time they did it made Venti useless because he was made too op and was hard countered.

[@mika-ym4ch]

@@jawn5661 that is exactly the problem, making an archon "THE" character of their element brings more harm than good, cause any future character has to compete with them while also not being allowed to be stronger than them

[@lolidemon3163]

One thing is, if they decide to make an on field electro dps thats comparable to say alhaitham with a similar dual scaling i can see the chara immediately breaking the entire game to the point where neuv wouldn't be the best dps in terms of best teams. Yes neuv would still be best single dps but once we factor teams in i can see said theoretical chara being so far broken that devs would need to scale it. Like u said, if they make a too powerful electro chara the balance would be off so they need to walk a very thin rope to make it balanced

[@nurventilatoren]

She's Lucian in Genshin wearing Lady Maria's skin. Is this a secret Bloodborne x League x Genshin crossover?!

[@Bliss467]

5 stars late in a version have always worked better with the next version characters than current. I expect a dual dps meta in Natlan than Chlorinde’s short window is perfect for.

[@_shadow_1397]

I think Clorinde’s man issue isn’t even her dmg, it’s her uptime. If it were longer, she would’ve been much better in other teams. The shorter uptime doesn’t mesh her kit, she’s a sustained Dps who’s forced to frontload. A longer uptime would make things like taser and Chevreuse teams much more competitive

[@alport1331]

The problem isn't the short uptime, but the lack of characters to team up with that works well for that short duration. Most meta characters have long uptime so they're not really a good fit with Clorinde's rotation. We currently have Chevreuse which has a conditional 100% uptime regardless of the on-fielders uptime duration so we'll see if we got something similar coming up with Natlan.

[@sumbunniii8721]

@@alport1331& the fact they literally never run Chevruse, crazy how they put her in trial but not on banner?? We haven’t seen Kaveh SINCE his release 😢 it’s crazyyyy ?

[@_shadow_1397]

@@alport1331 I mean, it’s a problem on both ends, but I think it would be better just for her to have longer uptime rather than a support with shorter uptime

[@alport1331]

@@_shadow_1397 Then everyone will play a character with a long uptime and short uptime characters will only be an afterthought. In some way, these play styles needs to branch out one way or another or everyone will plays like the same. They just need to divert new characters to cater to that kind of play style rotation and not just another Bennet or Xingqiu or Xiangling or Fischl.

[@baz7160]

We got Chevreuse who boost electro and pyro damage when the 2 are together, then we got 2 dps units who use bond of life, a new mechanic (we even got a specific artefact set for it) and one is pyro and the other electro electro. My cracked theory is that we will get a pyro or electro character that give strong buff to character with bond of life (maybe the pyro archon) who will make bond of life overload team really good

[@boo2870]

im so disappointed on clorinde since honestly she have the best animations rn just to be fkin mid

[@actrose4272]

Is Clorinde a completely new and unique functioning electro character? No Is Clorinde an incredibly strong dps? Yes (and possibly the best ST damage dealer) Is she one of the most fun characters to play? Yes BtwI find it funny how we went from "Xiao stays way to long on field and all his buffs run out (quickswap supremecy)" to "this character doesn't have 15+ seconds field time (unplayable)" while Thundering Fury theoretically gives her infinite uptime on her skill. Also in my opinion characters like Arlecchino and Lyney don't change how pyro characters are perceived either. They are still just "character deals lots of damage" (but now sometimes without Xingqiu) on an element roster where there are two Buffers and Dehya, so I don't understand why they are redefining pyro while electro can't be the fast multi-attackers that abuse Dendro. Realistically they just have to give future electro characters the Nilou treatment and say you can only use this character with Hydro for example (or strongly incentivise it) but then some people will complain that they are too restrictive.

[@aetherhae]

I 100% think you are being too harsh. Dendro has the EXACT same reliance on Electro, save maybe 1 or 2 teams. Nilou Bloom and Thoma Burgeon being the only accessible non-electro reliant teams. With that being said, Taser is still viable, good, even. Sucrose, Xingqiu, Fischl, Beidou is a VERY good 4 star only taser team, known for clearing abyss rather easily. Now, as for Dendro being a 'crutch' for electro, let's look at it. Electro has quicken, aggravate, hyperbloom, and quickbloom compositions, Dendro also has quicken, spread, Hyperbloom, and Quickbloom Compositions. Burning currently is not viable (until a certain 5 star comes out, but even then we don't know for sure) And regular bloom is a joke. So that means that by default without the assistance of outside modifiers (like Emilie and Nilou), Dendro is JUST as reliant on Electro. So why was this video made targeting electro specifically? We all knew that Dendro and Electro were going to be joined at the hip, the second that new Dendro Reactions were announced, because it was the only way at the time, to buff Electro without reworking the reactions entirely. The co-dependence isn't a bad thing, and there are plenty of modifiers that allow specific niches to exist. Mainly things like... Rate of Electro/Dendro Application, How many units of the element do they apply at once? Do they have unique ICD interactions? Do they have any interesting party buffing mechanics (Raiden does, she literally gains damage from being in the party with high cost burst party members, and her own personal damage gets increased a lot by it). You ask, what's stopping an overpowered Electro Unit from just using Dendro to become even stronger? I'll give you an example of this NOT happening. Raiden Shogun on field. You CAN use Raiden in Aggravate, but she loses a lot of value, and I mean... a lot. Raiden's Hyper Teams out perform Aggravate by a metric fuck ton when fully invested. EM is a substat that Raiden on Field does not really like. So.. really, was this about the state of Electro? Or are you more concerned about powercreep? Because to me, with the comments made in this video, and your history of being a Keqing fan, this really sounds more like, you're worried that Keqing will be labeled bad again, because 'Clorinde is just better'. If that's the case, I really wouldn't worry, because Keqing has a few things going for her that Clorinde does not have, mainly that being her ability to run in split rotations, and quickswap, Keqing is far more versatile, and that allows her to stand the test of time.

[@joe_simon]

I want to add: Mono Electro is not even a bad team unlike Mono Dendro But the reason why no one plays Mono Electro is because of Aggravate and EC being just a better version of it without needing really all the valuable chars like Bennett or Xingqiu etc. but they still can use them. So even Electro Hypercarry with no reactions is decent. Better than Al Haitham, Bennett, Nahida, Zhongli (i cannot Imagine a good team to play Hypercarry Al Haitham without Spread..)

[@aetherhae]

@@boyishdude1234 No, I’m sorry? But Fischl is not only a better battery for Miko, but her A4 Passive out damages C2 Raiden, for sure. Aggravate is a Death by a thousand cute play style, and Fischl’s A4 Procs count as electro application, and trigger aggravates, her DPS in electro reaction compositions is scarcely matched, and I have C2 Raiden with R5 Catch, she does frontloaded, but less damage.

[@aetherhae]

@@boyishdude1234 Except, you literally don’t need teamwide battery, all you need, is one character on the team to use Favonius (guess what, this can be Fischl, or Kazuha, OR Nahida, they all use it well), and then the team’s energy requirements are met. Raiden requires field time for her energy generation, and by not having Fischl, the DPS plummets. Over half the team damage in Aggravate Setups, comes from Fischl. If you don’t believe me, go check theorycrafter math, Zajef is a good source. The point of my comment, is that Raiden doesn’t get better with Dendro. She prefers huge attack and Crit steroids, by far. Raiden isn’t death by a thousand cuts because she has like.. an 8 second burst uptime. Which isn’t consistent enough for this play style to be optimal on her. And another thing, Electro Particles aren’t useless for other units, it’s a bit less energy per particle, but Fischl generates so many particles that she often is used as a battery over Raiden, regardless of circumstances.

[@VarsII]

Wait, woahhhh woah woah kindly do not lump me in with the parasocial addicted players 😂Keqing is one of my favorite units but I couldn't care less if she gets power crept. I'm not like those players who gaslight themselves into believing their waifus are real. Clorinde is definitively stronger than Keqing right now and that's a good thing. Electro on fielders were kind of meh for a while, even with Dendro. My main complaint in this video was that Version 4 was all about units who break the mold, go against their elements' conventions and try different things while being successful at it, something Hoyo failed to do with units back in the day. Clorinde was the first electro unit to be released in almost 2 years, and I thought they would do the same to her, only to make her another dendro driver. There were so many traces in her moveset where if they gave her slightly more or changed things around a bit she could've easily superseded Raiden Shogun Hypercarry (which is not a bad team by any means, but most people use her as a hyperbloom driver or Raiden national for comfort. Hypercarry is still a rogue strategy). But she didn't. Clorinde could've continued the trend of Version 4 units being off meta but still good. Clorinde turned out to just be another dendro user, when she came VERY close to being possibly something different.

[@starrynight5730]

0:54 mono pyro Arlecchino with Chevreuse (who needs overload)

[@shadowgunslinger3134]

Through out watching your video on Chlorinde, It made me that she released to late within the game. With having characters such as Neuvillette , Navia , AL Haitham, Arlecchino, and many other DPs units . Chlorinde didn't really have anything to offer in my opinion. If she released around 4.5 or even earlier with in Fontaine updates I generally think she would've done better, since Fontaine was still fresh and new meta was still being forged she might have had a better time being a electro DPS. Now sadly this isn't the case but it's still disappointing that she was released in a time where she isn't really needed especially Arlecchino being the main focus for the bond of life mechanic, and with Natlan coming later this year she might just fade into obscurity. But that's just my opinion, I generally hope those who did pull for her have a great time using her.

[@MCHR92]

This "crisis" can be improved with making the other 3 reactions better really, they suck when comparing the new kinds in town with dendro, which was already the crisis electro was stuck to begin with and still needs a solution, because other characters are get limited by it. An element that revolves around fast elemental application with 1 horrible reaction 2 mediocre and 2 absolutely busted with the same element.

[@Ultra-hs3fb]

I apologize if I am being rude when I say this but when I watch the video the point you bring up again and again is the fact that she has low numbers so that she can not be a hypercarry and I need to ask is it bad for her to not be a hypercarry? Not every new fountain character needs to be a good hypercarry to be a good unit I just personally think that you are making a big deal out of something that isn't a big deal at all again i apologize if I am being rude just wanted to point that out

[@Riariaria-chan]

You're so polite, please never change

[@VarsII]

My friend you are quite civil don’t worry haha. I know I made it sound like she HAD to be a hypercarry but the main intent with this video was that version 4 was all about going against the conventional routines of each element (like how navia didn’t go mono geo or how lyney doesn’t use vaporize) so I expected the same thing for Clorinde where they would try an “off meta” design for her, only for her to end up the same as every other electro character.

[@Ultra-hs3fb]

​@@VarsIIAh I see I was kind of confused about that part so thanks for clearing up my misconception

[@VarsII]

@@Ultra-hs3fbthank you for being understanding! 😊

[@Ultra-hs3fb]

​@@VarsIInp keep up the good work you vids are always fun to watch

[@shepard3557]

Agreed Plus I was quite underwhelmed while trying her out: didn't seem like a very fun playstyle. You press E - you go into Ayato mode with a dash possibility. Then Q for a pretty animation Seemed very dull comparing to other 5* Fontaine characters. Hydro daddy flies around, Furina summons supporters, Navia turns the whole area into an air strike zone, Chiori introduced the double E feature, Wrio was a new take on a catalyst playstyle, Arle came with the blood thingy Seem like all of the Clorinde's features were already there and she herself didn't add much novelty

[@Saedris]

so upset how MID she is, why get and build her if most players have keqing at 90 and high talents... Shes literally a shorter time frame keqing with a slight damage upgrade 😭

[@shonenhikada9254]

This is a test to see which players have a brain and which players have brain rot.

[@bojjitdn]

because they play entirely differently? because the character is fun to play? because this game is constantly on a drought cycle and the new characters are like the only new content?

[@Saedris]

@@bojjitdn keqing. 🗿

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

Imaginarium teather?

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

Imaginarium teather?

[@coltwgrice]

I had so many electro and Raiden being my main that I didn’t need to pull Chlorine

[@ChrisUchiha7]

All the creativity going into Star rail kits…

[@Yawar25]

For a Turn Combat Game, Star Rail has more variety of teams comps rather than Genshin 😅

[@rushalias8511]

@@Yawar25well yeah, you have aoe unit, single target, buffer, shielder, debuffer, healer, wtf destruction is, meanwhile genshin is support, dps and sustain.

[@davemoon2034]

@@Yawar25 yes the variaty of dots,hypercarry,follow attacks nice variaty and "gameplay" automatic

[@VrtielA6300]

👎

[@lolidemon3163]

​@rushalias8511 thing is, its kind of easier to make kits that are more unique/varied in turn based vs action based games (hsr and genshin in particular). One of the reasons i prefer turn based games bc of how much variety u can see in skills