Windshear + Stuck Flaps + Low Fuel | MAYDAY at Amsterdam by KLM B739

[@VASAviation]

What a combination of inconveniences! Great job, pilots!

[@pondscummagnetfishing]

Just what I was thinking!

[@dalydegagne1839]

The pilots did well indeed!

[@bilyonarelifestile2226]

combination of another SABOTAGE on BOEING

[@bilyonarelifestile2226]

they should have diverted they didn’t have enough fuel for another go around

[@johnwalsh4271]

The pilot called the mayday with less stress in his voice as anyone else would while ordering a pizza.

[@MarcovandenHout]

He knew it was the right choice. Now try that with ordering pizzas.

[@AshKast]

@@MarcovandenHout One meat lovers pizza with 25 degrees flaps please.

[@rdspam]

Well trained and professional, focused on solving the problems and getting safely on the ground.

[@garyd.7372]

@@AshKast Reason for the go-around - our pizza had pineapple.

[@benoithudson7235]

The pilot called the mayday with the realization he was ordering up a pile of paperwork.

[@w.ryanbutler8097]

This pilot was so at ease I halfway expected to hear "...and we just lost a wing, we are inverted, and the instrument panel just switched languages to one I don't understand, but no worries"

[@TheOReport1994]

I actually laughed out loud at this! 🤣 "...and we just lost a wing, we are inverted, and the instrument panel just switched languages to one I don't understand, but no worries, our co-pilot is logging on to Rosetta Stone now, and should be able to learn the entire language in a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience."

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Definitely Klingon

[@sepehrfree91]

true! That saves the day tho. Cool, calm, and collected. That's how you find the save, if you do lose a wing, and there is a chance to save.

[@OppositeOpinion]

we lost a wing and considering that we... have to declare... mayday :) sorry in advance for disturbing your red cars :))

[@KimtheElder]

😂🤣👏👏👏👍

[@SidestickPilot]

Heres some information for those wondering what happened that caused the flap issue. In the 73 Flaps 30 is the typical flap setting for landing although there’s also options to land flaps 40 or flaps 15 depending on conditions. What happened here is what’s called flap blowback. The 73 has a flap over speed protection. In the event flaps are over-sped the flaps will automatically “blowback” to the next position. Flaps settings in the 73 are 1, 5, 10, 15, 25, 30, 40 in that order. So when flaps were at 30 and were over-sped due to the windshear the flaps in an attempt to protect themselves reduced to 25. A simple fix following QRH procedures and they were back at flaps 30.

[@nuno1007]

My QRH reads to set the speeds for a 15 landing for flaps stuck at 25… that’s the “fix”. Don’t see anything that suggests you can get them to 30 again for a trailing flap disagree. You have a diff one ? Curious.

[@SidestickPilot]

@@nuno1007 I don’t have a 737 QRH in front of me. I fly the bus now. I can’t recall what the QRH procedures were for it as it’s been too long.

[@CanyonBlue737Capt]

There's also a Flaps 2 setting

[@SidestickPilot]

@@nuno1007 looks like the flap load relief QRH just states check flap position and maintain the appropriate airspeed. End of QRH.

[@SidestickPilot]

@@CanyonBlue737Capt ah yes I forgot about 2!

[@whuangjaison6931]

Pilot: Considering..so...so...Mayd... ATC: Your red carpet is already ready.

[@ma9x795]

This is exactly how the comms should be. No fannying about as to whether there's an emergency or not, unlike that which we hear on a regular basis in some other countries. Clear and concise throughout. Great job all.

[@Aushumanoid]

There is particularly one country that comes to mind 😂

[@Hans-gb4mv]

I also like how they have discrete frequencies available at AMS for situations like these.

[@A1FAHx]

@@AushumanoidThe paperwork is atrocious!

[@OwenPrescott]

@@Hans-gb4mvwhy go discrete when they can all connect on Minecraft public servers

[@chrisschack9716]

If fuel is expected to be below 30 minutes on landing, that's clear, you MUST call Mayday.

[@BS-eh1zf]

Issue at EHAM are always so impressive to watch - immediate discrete, clear comms, all are very calm - just nice. And as a KLM frequent flyer I feel more and more in good hands after each video.

[@MeMe-gm9di]

The difference to american controllers is always so stark. Like, he didn't even wait for the mayday, just "stuck flaps, low fuel, we'll have to work on some stuff" and probably just internally declares the emergency for them. "Hey, they will probably want a discrete frequency", and essentially assign them a 3rd crew member to handle an emergency in a busy airspace. That's such a difference to the US, where you repeat souls onboard + fuel like 12 times.

[@beyondEV]

​@@MeMe-gm9di Yeah, but even in Europe this is rarely the case. They probably had a reserve around, or someone about the leave or start their shift.

[@BS-eh1zf]

@@beyondEV Seems to be standard at EHAM. Was not the first VAS video where it was handled like this

[@NicolaW72]

@@MeMe-gm9diIndeed, exactly.

[@BourdonCeleste]

What is „discrete“? Never heard about that, but I am only VFR rated.

[@VicenteCanhoto]

That "GoedeMIDDAG" (good afternoon) correction of the ATC to the "Goeiedag" (good day, good morning) from the pilot is one of the Dutchest things I've ever heard 😂

[@loupgarou95]

I was wondering what it meant! She really emphasized that so it stood out to me and it's kinda hilarious that she was just giving a bit of a correction about the time of day.

[@NicolaW72]

😂😂😂

[@leohorstmeier]

@@loupgarou95 The emphasis was on middag as she'd just checked the time to confirm that it was afternoon and not still morning. The time was 12:06.

[@maanmohammad8459]

As accurate as a dutch beer😂😂

[@TheNheg66]

I'm een buitenlander and it gave me really good laugh 😂

[@lex1945]

always proud of the professionalism and calmness of my Dutch countrymen in aviation.

[@hendricstattmann3638]

This one can go into the textbook on how to handle an emergency. As a passenger you definitely are in good hands with these pilots and controllers.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

You mean pilots who don’t bring enough fuel?

[@MrMeerkat818]

​@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I mean MAN-AMS is usually about a 45-50 minute flight and they were in the air for 1h18m. Say of those 30 minutes, 10 mins was with flaps stuck at 25, assuming double the fuel burn with flaps stuck, for those 30 minutes, that's 1.6 tonnes burned. If Rotterdam was the planned diversion, you'd probably be looking at about 1 tonne of diversion fuel. Add the 5mins min contingency (200kg) and 1.6 is more than 1.2 tonnes. It's arguably more surprising that they didn't land well below final reserve.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@MrMeerkat818 you missed the point. First of all, he called 1.6 right after the go around. Also, you can assume all you want, but flaps at 25, doesn’t double the fuel burn. You are supposed to be able to fly to your destination, shoot an approach, go missed approach, then fly to your alternate at normal cruise speed, do a normal approach to landing and have more than 30 min of fuel. That was not the case here. He is already low on fuel the first approach, before the go around. He could’ve easily taken an extra 1 ton from MAN. If it’s only a 50 min flight, or even an hour, the extra ton of fuel would not increase the burn much. I’d say, the trip leg would be insignificant in regards to fuel savings. But with an extra 1 ton, there would be no fuel issues either. It’s ridiculous.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@MrMeerkat818 Here is something for you: I’ve never landed a 737 with less than 6000 lbs. That’s 2.7 T. I also have tons of hours in a Gulfstream G550. The lowest I’ve ever seen in that is 3200 lbs (1.45 T). But I plan on 4000 to 5000. That burns nearly half the fuel as a 737.

[@pjotrtje0NL]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183gelukkig hebben we de Van Vollenhoven Raad, dus we zullen wel zien wat er allemaal gebeurde. Misschien had hij al een goed half uur in de holding gehangen of zoiets.

[@sbdude82]

Professionalism at its best, and some of the best English I've ever heard.

[@greg42058]

You've got to admire the Dutch for clarity of communication, professionalism, and calmness. On both sides. These guys declare an emergency due to low fuel like they were ordering a serving of bitterbollen ;)

[@ian_kk]

Super performance from both sides of the frequency. That's how you handle an abnormal situation, calmly carefully and safely.

[@lampwins]

These European controllers are consistently on point with emergencies. Always clear, concise, and proactive instructions. Never any unnecessary or repeated questions. It's unfortunate that VAS has many published examples of the exact opposite on the American side. I hope the FAA can do something to address the growing problems.

[@SolarWebsite]

Also, that was one of the calmest, most deliberate maydays I've ever heard declared. Wow.

[@cdhagen]

I first wanted to say that it has something to do with the fact that non-native speakers are more inclined to follow standard phraseology, short instructions, etc. But then I thought of LHR controllers who communicate in an equally efficient way. So it must be a FAA issue then that they just can't get their people out of this colloquial talk on freq and repeated questions, etc...

[@warden330]

UK and Irish ATC work on the default assumption that pilots on frequency will include non-native speakers. There is a conscious effort to train controllers in International English as well as standard phraseology. It does not come naturally.@@cdhagen

[@shopdog831]

Need some better radios though

[@jonathanbott87]

I wonder if more standardization is forced due the higher percentage of international flights in Europe (& the variations in language, culture, etc.) vs USA where a very high percentage is domestic flights.

[@galdavonalgerri2101]

I really like that Goededag. GoedeMIDdag! conversation.

[@kapitandiabeetus]

To be fair I'm hearing "goeiedag" from him

[@javiersp15]

windsheer, low fuel and flap issue. Give props to the dutch pilot and controller for keeping things as smooth as possible.

[@kon-jakub]

I always enjoy how Amsterdam ATC acts, very concrete but yet extremely friendly.

[@JDH_MUSIC]

wow that was very low fuel indeed, good thing they landed the second time.

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

he had 1.6 tons, not pounds. these people think and work in metric units, not freedom units.

[@MichaelCarrPilot]

This could be a great training type video for other ATC around the world.

[@MW-zm8sd]

by "other ATC", you mean the US. :)

[@MichaelCarrPilot]

@@MW-zm8sd you’re exactly correct.

[@SheikhBinSayeh001]

Ah the calmness & professionalism of Dutch crew & ATC is just remarkable. Absolutely no worries throughout the emergency, fantastic!

[@stevenverhaegen8729]

Liked the 'out of whack' terminology 😄 good job 😄

[@jonathanbeattie3410]

Amsterdam controllers have always been top quality professionals. They speak better English than most English speaking countries Airports 😂

[@Chorizo727]

Nope

[@annakickan]

I liked that they got a designated frequency. I don’t hear that a lot.

[@tristanjohnson822]

“Our fuel calculations out of whack” ice in the vains. Sounded so chill the entire time. 30 mins of fuel would have me nervous on a calm wind day with normal flaps

[@firstnamelastname5474]

I audibly gasped when I realized this just happened several days ago, idk why but i did. Pilots are amazing, this is just a random day at work for them. Incredible.

[@Xanthopteryx]

Ohh, goosbumps for how well this was treated. Calm, precise, no chitty chat, professional, fact based, taking the time needed, and correctly i would say going for a Mayday in this case because this means that Everyone in the air and on the ground are moved away as soon as possible for what is expected. The so called Fast track Priority Class One Celebrity handling.

[@SticksTheFox]

I applaud this pilot for taking every precautionary step along the way, including declaring a Mayday when the landing was unusal and had a potentional for dangerous landing. Wonderful profestionalism we all expect from KLM

[@eliteiel9747]

The mayday was called due to the low fuel, it was mandatory to call it wasnt just a precaution that the pilot wanted to take :), but yeah alltogether very professional and done by the book, a good example of how to resolve a difficult situation by staying calm

[@LifesWorldwideAdventures]

Great video as always, thank you 🙏😊

[@VASAviation]

Thank you for watching

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

Thank you for another great video. As a non pilot I enjoy your videos very much. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺

[@russell2952]

The pilot didn't want to declare a Mayday but procedure obviously said that they did. He might as well have called out "Paperwork, Paperwork, Paperwork".

[@jamesphillips2285]

I think he wanted the avoid the Paperwork, Paperwork, Paperwork that happens when you land without your minimum fuel reserve intact.

[@beyondEV]

@@jamesphillips2285 Not just that. He had already Paperwork for the incident. Now, it's even more more more Paperwork.

[@dalydegagne1839]

A lot of projection going on here as people "read" the commander's mind about whether he wished to declare Mayday and paperwork concerns.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Bunch of weird statements made here. I never once thought about paperwork while flying. Nobody thinks about that.

[@dalydegagne1839]

I appreciate your comment. It seems this issue of paperwork interfering with pilots' willingness to declare an emergency all too often comes up in the comments, tossed out as though it is a self-evident truth which, I would argue, it is not.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Very profesional, i like the direction to a dedicated frequency.

[@celikblack]

The pilot sounds like a cool guy! 😁

[@lammie001]

Never a stress at AMS

[@evanscm3]

exemplary professionalism from the crew and ATC here.. superb.

[@captain-Dan]

KLM are consistently good operators. Amsterdam's air navigation service provider can be proud of tbis one too professionalism at it's finest

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

BRAVO to this crew for declaring a MAYDAY. Too many pilots are reticent to do so and it results in lower-priority handling by controllers. This crew is gold!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Well, they didn’t bring as much fuel as they should’ve, so that kinda takes away from that gold you talk about. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lstorm2003]

That’s because regulatory agencies make pilots reluctant to declare for fear of recourse

[@Alex-om1be]

Great piloting

[@NikosWings]

The pilot and crew did a great job as well as the ATC

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for bringing this Story up!👍 This event made some Headlines caused by the Fuel Emergency. But stucking Flaps are a huge Fuel Consumer and on a Short Haule Flight they might not have had so much Continguency Fuel planned.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Not a good enough excuse. Bring the fuel you need. What does a short haul even have to do with this?

[@NicolaW72]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183Yes - that will be the part of this event which will cause a more thorough investigation.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@NicolaW72 he called 1.6 tons right after the go around. Flaps burn extra, but not that much. In my opinion, he started his approach already on the extreme low side.

[@N1120A]

ATC worked out the discrete quite quick

[@davidhandyman7571]

We have two issues so declare an emergency. If sorted it is easy to handle but safety is paramount. Better safe than sorry.

[@stevehuffman1495]

Not a pilot, but this seemed to be handled with extraordinary efficiency.

[@AshleyH58]

Brilliant stuff 👌🏻

[@shakey2634]

I flew the 75/76 for many years and loved those aircraft, however, I had several flap malfunctions and thought the flap system was the weakest system in otherwise fantastic aircraft.

[@marcellkovacs5452]

How common is it to receive a discrete frequency in such a situation? I’ve been watching these videos for a hot minute and I don’t recall seeing that before.

[@Tiger313NL]

At AMS/EHAM it's a common practice.

[@t3hleviathan]

Schiphol is one of the busiest airports in Europe, with, on peaks, 4 tower frequencies and a continuous stream of traffic. If you’re dealing with an emergency you don’t want to deal with unnecessary chatter and you’d want a controller to be available right away

[@Tiger313NL]

@@t3hleviathanExactly.

[@marcellkovacs5452]

It makes total sense, it’s just that I’ve never seen it before. Thanks for the info

[@abodi9972]

Handled very well from both ATC and crew ✌️🏼👌🏼

[@timeslidez]

But what was his fuel remaining in pounds and souls on board!? We MUST know before anything else!!!!

[@MeMe-gm9di]

Actually, scratch that, can you say fuel remaining again but in hours?

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@MeMe-gm9di The pilot did specify the fuel remaining in both tons (1.6) and hours (30 minutes).

[@miguelr1784]

The mayday is due to the fuel reaching the final reserve which is always 30 minutes not because of the flap issue which was already fixed

[@MeMe-gm9di]

@@jamesphillips2285 Sorry, I didn't quite get souls on board, can you repeat that?

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@MeMe-gm9di "unable."

[@collin341]

The way I jumped seeing Amsterdam in the title!! SCHIPHOL video❤❤❤

[@80Loke]

How can the guy be so calm and focused with al problems.

[@LastLoveSong1029]

PROFESSIONALISM

[@Andrico77]

I can’t believe low fuel on one go around…. Seems like very little margin.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Totally unacceptable.

[@jochen_schueller]

yeah, but at the other hand, we don't know what happened before..

[@MrClassified666]

Yeah that is concerning. I'm not sure about EASA but the FAA requires enough fuel for missed approach, to travel to alternate, and 45 mins extra. What happened that KLM is so low on fuel?

[@jochen_schueller]

@@MrClassified666 according to fr24, nothing unusual happened before, this was a totally normal flight until the go around, they went straight to Amsterdam. Maybe an alternate (and fuel for diverting to) is not required if the weather is good enough at the primary dst

[@skinnybricks]

200 knots! WOW

[@MichaelVanBladel]

Airlines are pressuring their pilots to take less and less extra fuel (ideally zero extra fuel), so basically any non-trivial issue will lead to a low fuel mayday on top of it

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

I’m surprised the pilots don’t refuse. This low fuel situation that quickly is ridiculous and it’s less safe.

[@miguelr1784]

This is a well extended lie. Pilots take whatever they consider. What you can't do is take extra fuel without any funded reason.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

It's not a lie it depends on the carrier. At Ryanair the practice is that they allow you to round up the calculation by one digit by default. But as soon as you take more then 0.2 tons more than calculated by dispatch they are going to ask you why you did that. That being said, I ran the numbers for this flight and there seems to be indeed something off. There is no way a flight with properly planned contingency fuel and alternate, would arrive with only 1.8 or 1.6tons left at AMS after just one approach. Where is the alternate fuel?@@miguelr1784​

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@miguelr1784 I guess even that is different per company. I don’t need a reason. I can take whatever I want. But, we are operating different than others.

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

Yep, airlines will do anything to save money.

[@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS]

is the dutch the only ones that have a dedicated EM channel?

[@VASAviation]

Other airports are starting to implement it as well

[@eh42]

Minor pedantic question: With all the precise phraseology, why do folks on fuzzy radios use contractions. "Can Not" is so much more clear than "can't." Worse case is the phrase "I can't tell if it is ok" vs "I can not tell if is ok".

[@detritus23]

That is what read backs are for.

[@gottesma]

I can't speak for how ATC hears, but on the pilot side, the sound on modern aviation radios is very clear. Every once in a while a controller will give a "say again", in which case I'll slow down and give proper trees and fifes and niners and whatnot. But that would be really unusual.

[@darkiee69]

They're not "fuzzy" on either end. What you hear here is a recording made from outside sources.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

That’s why you should use the words Negative and positive.

[@joavim]

You're looking for "cannot". Pedantic, I know, but "can not" means something entirely different.

[@janwitts2688]

Good for the pilot.. a lot of chaps are hesitant in declaring

[@bigbear187uk]

Gotta love the Dutch. Always keep it simple

[@raysutton2310]

FYI: I've been subscribed since 2008, and still subscribed; recently, maybe as much as the last 3 months your content has not been showing up in youtube unless I explicitly go to your channel. I'm not currently seeing the same issue with either Mentour or blancolirio. Just wanted to alert you to the issue (notification is not turned on on any channel I subscribe to)

[@VASAviation]

Curious. Try subscribing again and hit the notification bell. Hope that helps.

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

That's pretty much how I would expect an excited Dutchman to sound. I wouldn't have been surprised to hear a few dirty puns in Dutch slipped in.

[@pjotrtje0NL]

We are trained to very high levels of aviation english, with standard phraseology. I can assure you, no puns during situations like this.

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

I believe the flaps would automatically retract if they reach the maximum flap speed to avoid the flap over speed.

[@VASAviation]

Yes, but that gives a warning still

[@disruptivegarage]

pittig meteen in je reserve fuel, lang in de holding gezeten of krappa marges?

[@TaliyahP]

The absolute difference between Europe and America when it comes to emergenciues is astounding

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Not much difference. That’s just KZbin experts thinking that.

[@jimmywan87]

This should be a textbook example for Americans how to communicate on the radio effectively

[@N1120A]

So, tell me what US carrier had an issue with communicating with US ATC recently, where ATC caused a crash?

[@cola98765]

@@N1120A 3 near misses released here after this date your comment quite a bit. Sure, all 3 cases were because there were 2 or more controllers giving clearances for same runway... a thing that also in not really a thing on this side of the pond.

[@K0nst4nt1n96]

If you compare the mayday call to the American way of not declaring an emergency you can witness the high level of proficiency of all participants.

[@Janduin45]

This is the kind of situation where I'd wager the pilots stop worrying about a super soft landing and instead aim for a firm and decisive touch down.

[@1234Pipo]

Why you cut the video 2 sec before landing...

[@frtna7297]

👍

[@irnbrukidsm]

Amsterdam ATC….the world’s best

[@rokmun680]

KLM ✊

[@troyfly71]

With those winds the dispatcher should not have planned the arrival with so little fuel. Landing with 30 minutes of fuel is stupid. Pilots need to ask for additional fuel before taking off.

[@billstevens3796]

It seems the mayday was CYA by the pilot for arriving without more than 30 minutes fuel?

[@dalydegagne1839]

Spoken like a non-pilot. The commander had an obligation at that point to declare an emergency. Again, too much mind-reading goes on in these comments about what pilots are thinking and why.

[@mperlatti]

Hmmm. Went wrong or pilot error the first attempt…. Somethings not quite right

[@cola98765]

Wind sheer so you know how there is a calm before the storm? it's because overall winds bring the storm towards you, the strong updraft sucks so much air that it almost stops the wind where it's approaching. Wind sheer does the opposite, strong downdraft creates a strong headwind, in this case they were so strong that it it either broke something on the plane or at least confused it a lot Oh and wind sheer escape maneuver tells you to not change flaps, I think even if they over speed, it tells you to just set take off/go around thrust and climb as much as possible

[@lebojay]

Do the pilots face any negative consequences for violating IFR fuel reserves? Should they have carried more from Manchester, which is only an hour away? I’m not judging them, but I’m curious how a professional would judge them.

[@lammie001]

I can tell you as a reliable source that they will never depart with less than legally required. Above that, the weather at AMS was no stress. 6 runways and just a little wind. No reason for extra fuel. The windshear and then the flap problem made it a bit challenging but still no reason to stress

[@LDresta]

You need to know that the pilots arent entirely responsible for fuel planning. For example where I work the dispatch team calculates the required fuel based on past data, weather, notams, trfc delays, etc etc. They are the one with all the relevant data and the airline wants us pilots to trust their calculation. It is hard to justify carrying extra fuel as little as 10 mnts when the dispatch team has done all the in depth fuel planning.

[@yaroeb9136]

They were never in violation of IFR rules… those fuel rules state we can’t TAKEOFF with less than 45 minutes of reserves. The reserves are there for the sole purpose of what happened here (abnormal situation required more fuel than planned). For clarification the 30 minutes stated by the crew was a on the spot calculation of how much fuel was remaining versus current fuel burn rate (significantly higher than normal due to low altitude and high flap setting).

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

As a professional pilot myself, I have no issue judging them. They didn’t have enough fuel. It’s not acceptable in my book.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@LDrestaof course pilots are entirely responsible. If you run out of fuel, do you think the pilots can say: oh, but dispatch told us this was the right amount of 🙄 As a pilot, you are 100% responsible. You fly the airplane, not dispatch. This was one go around and they were at 1.6 tons. That’s not acceptable.

[@davidpinto7542]

I wonder if for KLM 1.6 is pounds or kgs because if it was pounds its frikin crazy.

[@jazzi_0453]

Most likely tons. So 1600kg

[@Tiger313NL]

1.6kg would also equal flying on fumes. I'm fairly certain that it's tonnes.

[@beyondEV]

​@@Tiger313NL More like the Amsterdam Glider. Even if you could use it down to zero: (30*60)s/1000 = 1.8s of flight time.

[@Tiger313NL]

@@beyondEVHehe :)

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

There are only three countries that don’t use metric. None of them are in Europe, so obviously kilos. 1.6 kilos is around 3.5 pounds. Usually, around 2.2 pounds of fuel would be unusable by the engines, so both engines would have failed if the fuel quantity hit that low.

[@whuangjaison6931]

Very good decision making of these pilots crew! ATC are very professional as well. Is that just me or are the European pilots & ATCs a little bit more rational than the Americans?

[@pjotrtje0NL]

It’s not just you

[@pomerau]

One go around in weather and they are heading in to their 30 minute fuel before landing. Does this happen a lot? Great pilots and controllers nonetheless.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

No, it doesn’t happen a lot. And it makes the pilots not “great” as you call them.

[@BlackWidow00741]

​@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 How long does it take to get an extra ton of fuel? I think I've liked every comment you've made on this video and agree with your opinions.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@BlackWidow00741 how much time fueling? Just a few minutes. It doesn’t take that long. For companies, their main concern is that carrying extra fuel cost money. But I think there are more companies these days who take it to the extremes. Now those pilots have to go into extreme fuel savings. Which isn’t much fun as a pilot.

[@pomerau]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 So it happens a lot, and it puts the pilots in a bad situation. They got out of this by declaring early. I think that is good flying.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@pomerau I’m my 31 years of professional flying, I got low where it got me a bit nervous ONCE. And this was in an old Learjet 25 that you needed on the ground in less than 3 hours. This was coming from Saint Thomas going to West Palm beach and when I got there, I had 15 airplanes ahead of me to land. This was in the late 90s. Since then, to this date, I’ve never landed with less than 1 hour in the tanks. So no, it’s not common.

[@nascarniko2244]

This dudes IQ is next level

[@jhmcd2]

Looks like they ether oversped the flaps on the go around (forgot to retract them) or the rapid wind sheer event caused them to break (extremely rare). Some jets have a safety cut off that if the aircraft thinks the mins on the flaps were exceeded, they wont allow the fraps to extend or retract for safety reasons. I did that once. But no flap landings are fun. But that fuel thing is an old pilot's strategy to get priority on landing.

[@Laphoot]

Tell me its Boeing ✈️

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

It was. 739

[@pjotrtje0NL]

Tell me it’s got literally zero to do with the situation.

[@glenmoss02]

Boeing just can't get a break these days...

[@NukeFinity]

If it's Boing I ain't going specially the max'es

[@Tiger313NL]

No 737 Max in KLM's fleet.

[@NukeFinity]

@@Tiger313NL Still a Boing Aircraft

[@pjotrtje0NL]

@@NukeFinityyet, completely irrelevant. You’ll fly anything as long as it gets you to your destination, for an interesting price.

[@markn866]

There are no Boings flying.

[@rael5469]

Since when is flaps 25 a mayday?

[@nosuchanimal6947]

from what i understood, it was a mandatory mayday due to low fuel. afaik, if you land with 30m or less of fuel remaining, that's going to automatically trigger an investigation

[@Pr3miuM]

It's not, it has to do with them thinking they might go below final reserve fuel, which is a mandatory mayday situation.

[@VASAviation]

Did you miss the low fuel call?

[@davidpinto7542]

it is a mandatory mayday if you are calculating you are going to land with less than 30mins of fuel.

[@whuangjaison6931]

Since there is no enough fuel for another going around and the flaps can also cause another unusual landing attempt. They need the priority that is clear.

[@mzimmma]

It's Amsterdam weed effect guys.

[@AdhamNafea]

The fact he landed with 30 minutes of fuel is unacceptable and pointing fingers to these pilots, they were performing less than an hour flight, where did his fuel planning go? for very short trip i understand they traded range for payload but to what extent? EASA rules specify as extra to trip fuel the following, Contingency 5% plus additional plus alternate plus extra fuel as commander of flight find needed, with 30 tons of fuel capacity and less than an hour flight then landing with less than 2 tons of fuels, makes me wonder if they took off with near empty tanks or what?! landing with such low fuel is clear violation for fuel policies dictated by EASA.

[@VASAviation]

Throwing such accusations make me wonder if you have access to their mass and balance documentation for that day?

[@AdhamNafea]

@@VASAviation Its clear numbers and ofcourse you wont have access unless you work for KLM dispatch, as i said i am wondering, now i keep my accusations in place and i hope you will follow this incident investigation and find out if i am right or wrong, you most welcome to correct me if i was wrong.

[@michiel2001]

On a 1 hour and 20 minute flight 5% contingency fuel gives you 4 extra minutes of flight-time, and closest alternate is less than 60 km away so that doesn't require a lot of extra fuel ether. It is totally possible that in the 20 minutes they took/needed for the flaps where all the extra fuel they where required to bring (on top of the default 30 minutes they still had left of-course). So no, it is not a 'clear violation'. It might be, but we have no way to know, and i would honestly doubt it.

[@mjokffsgfjs]

Chill down, sim pilot.

[@AdhamNafea]

@@mjokffsgfjs Too bad my flying experience has nothing to do with SIM.

[@2Phast4Rocket]

The pilots messed up and overspeed the flaps

[@CyPsyGuy]

ah, Boeing.

[@kjdude8765]

Glad this comment is at the bottom where it belongs.

[@asystole_]

Completely irrelevant to the situation.

[@Glegh]

Everything that could be wrong with that 737 was wrong

[@gs0b]

Could have been worse... The doors stayed on, the wheels stayed on, and the hydraulic fluid stayed in the hoses. 🙂 (Yes, I know these failures were on different 7x7 aircraft. just poking fun at the media that blames the manufacture for everything on every plane.)

[@a_goblue2023]

Literally was a wind shear issue, that caused the flaps to not extend fully, glad to see ur IQ is 0

[@FumiSG]

Was this @jasperverkuijl on the radio? Sure sounded like him👍🏻

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Controller, suffering with "diarrhoea of the mouth"!