ENGINE FAILURE on Takeoff | American E145 Emergency Return to Philly

[@MB-hc2xw]

Crew of Piedmont, ATC, ARFF... all on point. Well done.

[@Csmitty21]

I was flying out of PHL that day when we got stuck on the ground 45 minutes past our departure time. It makes sense now!

[@Mark-wx8lp]

Tone of voice never changed. These aviators always impress me.

[@leeclemens879]

American 2777's tone definitely changed 😂

[@slappymcgillicuddy7532]

@@leeclemens879 American had places to be:)

[@Blast6926]

Trained to do this ya мояои

[@MilkBoy17520]

@@leeclemens879 The depression was palpable. Piedmont got in between him and that sweet, sweet hotel beer.

[@aerialbugsmasher]

I have a little over 5000 hours flying the 145. Those rolls Royce engines were bulletproof, they're the same engine core as the Allisons on the C130. I never had an issue, not even the slightest hint in that time, and I knew guys with 3x as much flight time in them that never had anything major. They were solid. So this is a rarity. Hell, the 145 is a tough bird. I miss flying it, it was slow, loud, and passengers hate it, but it would get you in and out of anywhere and do things no other airliner could do (like hold at 37000 ft at 170kias indicated). Last I checked there haven't been any passenger fatalities in any of them in regular airline passenger service. The closest one being the very shady Yevgeny Prigozhin crash.

[@Raptor747]

"Very shady" as in "was shot down"?

[@jayschafer1760]

​@@Raptor747Don't ever be a pilot with one of Putin's enemies on the plane, not good for your health...

[@jaysmith1408]

I’ll take an Embraer over a CRJ any day

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

@@jaysmith1408I'll take a CRJ to a 737 Max

[@robertshanahan6623]

Envoy/Eagleflight used to fly the 145 out of my airport before moving to the 170 the past few years. I liked them for the 1-2 cabin layout, especially if I got the 1 side. I had both a window and aisle seat

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Fire Command wanted an answer as quick as a New York cab honks when it turns green

[@jesserutt7413]

Im pretty sure they edit out time gaps between radio calls so that’s why I think it seemed so quick

[@piaggio780]

Great job the Captain did on that engine failure and subsequent ATC communications as well! Also the professionalism on the part of Approach/Tower as well!

[@grumpy3543]

And he shuts down both runways 😂

[@-thefalcon-]

Would you like 35 sir?

[@olivethrush7450]

Brilliant crew were calm and collectedas was the tower but those other non emergency AA and another need to remember to keep schtum and not request updates for their scheduling whilst there is a mayday in progress on that frequency. Bad .

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I've never heard schtum before. Thanks for a new word.

[@KennethAGrimm]

AAL2777 was not happy about the go around. Oh well.

[@scottking33]

we have some very very curmudgeony old farts at AA. silver lining is culture is going to change very quickly with all the retirements

[@KennethAGrimm]

​@@scottking33 Old near-retirement farts like @blancolirio ?

[@TitaniumTurbine]

@@KennethAGrimm I’d assume he’s got a few years at least.

[@mike6340]

​@@KennethAGrimm Juan isn't the personality type I would call an old fart.

[@MoominDoogie]

​@@mike6340Dan Gryder? Now that's an old fart 😂😂

[@aquatrax123]

My flight aware flight feeder tracked this flight for sure plus this went right over my house.

[@DavidBruner_NJ]

Very professional. Well done.

[@flashgordon10001]

I was the copilot on that flight... yeah that was a hell of a scary day wow

[@robinreilly396]

Well done!

[@TomSherwood-z5l]

How much work to maintain altitude with one out on that sort of jet?

[@BirdDog.]

@@TomSherwood-z5lnot much. With those 2 engines mounted on the tail vs the wing you barely notice it

[@rodcoulter997]

Textbook job..A++…Declare an EMERGENCY…FLY THE JET…GET BACK ON THE GROUND ASAP….Mission accomplished.

[@Zerbey]

You got everyone down on the ground safely, so well done to you and your colleagues.

[@BreandanAnraoi]

Probably not the first time there's been a nasty odour in the airplane during an emergency

[@wouldntyouliketoknow9891]

Lets be real, its a Piedmont E145, the odor was there before the plane left the ground.

[@gregarious119]

Would like to know if PIC chose 27L because of the length or because of the chance of FOD. Either way, quick thinking and well-handle all around.

[@vortexgaming8761]

What is FOD

[@TheLoneWolfling]

@@vortexgaming8761 "Foreign object debris (or damage, depending on context)", a.k.a. "whoops there's something on the runway (like, say... random engine parts) that the aircraft ends up hitting & damaging e.g. tires". In this case, said hypothesis would be "there's a chance of the engine failure having left metal debris on the runway that we could hit if we tried to land there, so let's use a different runway".

[@vortexgaming8761]

@ Thanks for explanation!!

[@spelldaddy5386]

I'm guessing it was because of length, only because they didn't mention the FOD until later in the downwind. Either way, it was the right call (27L is 2500 feet longer than 27R), but if it was for the FOD, it would have been good to tell ATC immediately when they requested 27L in the upwind, so they would stop clearing aircraft to land on that runway

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

​@@vortexgaming8761 Foreign Object Debris.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

8:08 American 2777 PM sounds disgusted about having to go around. Sure, pal: land on a runway that may have FOD and put your entire jet in danger.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Not all pilots are created equal. Maybe he didn't know about the engine out happening on takeoff?

[@chasedooley6237]

he just sounded disappointed lol no big deal

[@jort93z]

To me it sounded more disappointed than disgusted. Guy was probably looking forward to the end of his shift.

[@DouglasCarnall]

He did sound very fed up. Better safe than sorry though, eh?

[@chadgooden5259]

Excellent! 👍

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

count how many times communications had to be repeated...

[@jort93z]

Keep in mind that audio quality for them might be worse than seen in the video.

[@ZX-mg5xs]

Emergency landing, engine out and other pilots keep asking about ETA for operational purposes!

[@kge420]

Live just a bit north of PHL and knowing the area, would it have been more safe to turn the plane to the left as that right hand turn brings it over densely populated areas? Glad they got down safely.

[@lyaneris]

Engine failures in a jet are pretty safe. That said, with those "smaller" jets, not turning into the dead engine could still be a bit nicer handling wise. That and normal GA procedures are likely the reason for the right turn.

[@lyaneris]

Engine failures in a jet are pretty safe. That said, with those "smaller" jets, not turning into the dead engine could still be a bit nicer handling wise. That and normal GA procedures are likely the reason for the right turn.

[@lyaneris]

Engine failures in a jet are pretty safe. That said, with those "smaller" jets, not turning into the dead engine could still be a bit nicer handling wise. That and normal GA procedures are likely the reason for the right turn.

[@mikesarno7973]

I can see my house.

[@davidbross6942]

Now, it this had been a Southern Airways Cessna Caravan, they would have been picking up pieces and body parts. Why? Because even though they have two pilots, they only have one engine.

[@Shadow7717]

No more radio chatter after they started taxiing?

[@JWPilot1974-uz2mj]

Get the stairs? 😂 Pretty sure they’re built into the door.

[@methridge]

Ok, for real... do pilots not get trained to use Pan Pan or Mayday anymore? Is it just simply not part of training at all?

[@benoithudson7235]

You sound like you think Is pilots used to be trained to use those terms. It’s the other way around: they are just starting to be trained to use them.

[@rodcoulter997]

Listen close..the FLIGHT-CREW declared an “Emergency”….it was pretty much understood by ATC. No need to declare MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY…that is used to attract “attention” to your situation…everybody was already on the same page.

[@cageordie]

It is in the FAA procedures, but they seem to get their training from youtube. There are some examples of US pilots actually saying MAYDAY first. But it's unusual.

[@slappymcgillicuddy7532]

never used it in 15 years of flying. 1. "Declaring an emergency" 2. What is the nature of the emergency 3. Intentions Never needed to utter some magical word to get a controller's attention

[@PN_48]

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532Got a real issue eh? The mayday call in it’s entirety isn’t just to “get the controller’s attention” - it’s to give everyone on freq a heads up, give the nature of the emergency, state intentions, souls on board, etc etc. Takes a short time to call and covers everything… hence why the rest of the world use it.

[@dahllia1]

These E145s are getting old...

[@johnarnell4241]

Perfect emergency, if there's such a thing well done everybody.

[@garycosby8979]

Alert 1 vs Alert 2 Anyone able to explain?

[@MM-gw3vx]

Alert 1 means that the emergency personnel are standing by. Alert 2 means that the emergency vehicles will stage adjacent to the landing runway. Maybe one at the approach and another at midfield. If an aircraft happens to crash while landing ATC will use a code phrase to summon the emergency vehicles. There also may be a switch in the tower that ATC will activate to sound an alarm within the fire station.

[@JimmieBrown-sg8fq]

The infamous lefthand engine failure suspect LH failure % exceeds RH wonder if any studies. C17 guy here.

[@K20017]

Put the whiskey down, skip.

[@JimmieBrown-sg8fq]

Show me a study with at least a 2 sigma confidence level then speak with me. I know difference isn't going to be significant I have a masters in Probability and Statistics with a BS in Comp Sci. I also know fatality rates for props with LH engine failures higher than RH. Effect will not be the same for jets. So basically I am saying go grab your jack and coke and shut up unless you have real data.

[@penguin44ca]

I honestly don't know what any of you are talking about 😂😂😂 lh Rh. Can you explain? ​@@JimmieBrown-sg8fq

[@K20017]

@@JimmieBrown-sg8fq You are the one making the claim so you need to back it up with data and evidence. Why would an identical engine being fit on the left side of a transport category aircraft have a higher percentage of failure? Your college degrees mean nothing.

[@caprica_13]

Why would the left engine have a higher rate of failure than the right? This makes no sense, the engines are identical in most airplanes. Given that it's a jet, there is no critical engine either. Not sure what you're basing this on

[@ccgb92]

atc was terrible. pilot had to call out an engine fail 3 times? LMAO

[@jort93z]

The audio might have been worse than shown in the video.

[@aerialbugsmasher]

VASAviation: no ERJ oultine available for the map, or did you confuse the CRJ with the ERJ? Because that's a CRJ on the animation.

[@haroldk724]

wow...people need to take a CHILL pill......to flipping worried too much for their own good...if they were the EM aircraft..... be a whole different thing....circle around and when clear you will be Told..........DUH

[@caprica_13]

what are you talking about? who is not being chill in this video?

[@mikek5298]

Third time’s the charm. Took that many tries for controller to understand “engine failure”. Amazing and very typical.

[@dwightmcqueen5771]

45 passengers thats a max load

[@jonathanbott87]

Isn't it 50 pax & 2 crew, 52 max souls?

[@stevecarroll6760]

What about lap infants?

[@jaysmith1408]

An ERJ that doesn’t have stairs? I thought ExpressJet was the only one that did that (for some reason). And i keep forgetting Piedmont is still around, a poor shell of what they used to be.

[@cliffshockley4406]

"a poor shell"? A company with 61 aircraft, 400+ departures per day, 50+ destinations, and 10,000 employees? I don't think the original Piedmont ever had more than 2 dozen aircraft at a time? I don't think hardly any ERJ-145s have stairs, and Piedmont has a mix of jet-bridges and air stairs at their destinations, so wouldn't make sense for the extra weight for integrated stairs.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

@@jaysmith1408 It’s the name only. This one has absolutely nothing to do with the original Piedmont.

[@cliffshockley4406]

@@ThatCodeBlue gotcha sorry my cursory Google search wasn't really finding much, I'm in my 40s but I didn't really know much about the original Piedmont. Even though I live near Salisbury Maryland

[@ThatCodeBlue]

@@cliffshockley4406 You’re only 180 off. There were 204 mainline PI aircraft in the fleet in 1989.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

@ No worries. I’ve met Dick Henson personally. He founded Henson Aviation which became the new Piedmont in 1993. I worked in SBY back in 1995.

[@JSFGuy]

Let's see how expensive this is going to sound.

[@thestrangeman069]

Why do you care? Are you paying for repairs? 😂

[@JSFGuy]

@thestrangeman069 I perform the repairs.

[@thestrangeman069]

@@JSFGuy That wasn’t the question though. Are you paying out of pocket?

[@JSFGuy]

@thestrangeman069 did I not indicate that's a big no, I perform the repair What part do you not understand about that?

[@thestrangeman069]

@@JSFGuy So again, why do you care? Which question are you confused about?

[@soopaman2]

I may still be on approach, but my balls have already reached the gate. This pilot.

[@bocefusmurica4340]

I believe the “pilot” identifies as a woman. Sooo, change to yuge brass ovaries?😂😅😊

[@Ndub1036]

So much for keeping the air clear for the emergency aircraft. “They may be busy, chief.” Yeah no s, Sherlock. Relax the incessant chatter

[@slappymcgillicuddy7532]

wait a minute, the pilot didn't need to utter that magical Mayday word to get the controller's attention and get them back to land safely? Crazy.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

They said and did what they needed to.

[@PN_48]

A proper Mayday call would’ve eliminated three subsequent calls. There’s a reason the rest of the world uses standardised RTF.

[@IIIlIIIIlIIIII]

The plane also didn't need attention from fire fighters. Guess we should just scrap those too.

[@MM-gw3vx]

@@PN_48 A Mayday call in and if it self only lets the controller know that the air crew is declaring an emergency. Nothing else. The controller will respond with “what is the nature of your emergency?” Followed by, “say intentions.” The air crew will probably respond by informing ATC the nature of the emergency or at least what they think is the problem but they may not be immediately aware of their intentions because they are trying to diagnose the problem or they may be in communication with their company maintenance personnel. Additionally, their company may direct the air crew to divert to the nearest suitable airport or they may want the aircraft to continue to its destination (depending on the severity of the issue) because the company would like the aircraft to land at an airport that houses one of their maintenance facilities. A departing aircraft with a full load of fuel may be too heavy to immediately return to the airport to land and may require delay vectors to burn fuel or they may request to dump fuel if the aircraft is able. That requires a conversation between the flight crew and ATC. Every controller will ask how much fuel is remaining either in weight or time. Do you know why? There are several reasons. If a non IFR pilot gets stuck on top of an overcast layer he cannot safely descend through the clouds and he cannot accept an IFR clearance because he is not qualified. ATC will check weather at various airports wHERE there may be better weather. A break in the overcast where the pilot can descend between clouds. If the pilot only has a half hour of fuel remaining the controller is not going to suggest an airport that is an hour away. The aircraft will run out of fuel before it gets there. When ATC asks for fuel remains in pounds that information relayed to the emergency personnel so they can plan on how big the fire will be if the aircraft crashes. Souls on board? That information is for rescue or emergency personnel. For example, a small aircraft that reports four souls on board may crash in the mountains. Rescue personnel locate the wreckage but only find three people. Maybe a survivor is hiking out to find help or has been ejected from the wreckage and is injured but not immediately visible. Emergency personnel have to know how many people are on the aircraft. Another scenario. A small airport may only have one or two fire rescue vehicles and limited personnel. The department will likely have a mutual aid agreement with the local fire department in a nearby town. If an emergency airliner full of passengers is coming in to land the airport fire department may not have sufficient resources to deal with the potential catastrophe so they will coordinate with the local fire department to assist them. In summary a Mayday call by itself will NOT reduce the number of conversations between the air crew and ATC.

[@user-jl6zf4zx1c]

Good old “left hand” engine 😅

[@jort93z]

What's wrong with that? It's important for the firefighters to know where the damaged engine is. Numbers aren't really as useful, as where the engine is would depend on the aircraft type, they probably don't know every aircraft type.

[@BLAB-it5un]

Odd that there are so many inconsistencies in terminology. Would think alert 1, 2, and 3 would be absolutely universal at every airport as would the terminology for ARFF command. Seems unnecessary to have unique language at every airport.

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

There are airports where the ARFF call sign is Crash!

[@ThatCodeBlue]

Consummate professionalism.

[@gustafpeyron]

youre skyweezy

[@ThatCodeBlue]

@@gustafpeyron ???

[@morganghetti]

I cant believe they landed safely without using the word mayday. Thats how they do it in Europe. How is the controller supposed to understand it's an emergency when the pilot only says "we're declaring an emergency"?? That could mean anything!!!!1

[@pisymbol]

“Declaring an emergency” is effectively the same thing as saying “Mayday” from an ATC perspective. They get immediate priority.

[@ccgb92]

@@pisymbol that's also euphemistic language. mayday is far better, more succinct and direct. what's next? We're initiating a proactive response to an evolving situation?

[@pisymbol]

@@ccgb92 No, no, no: “Declaring an emergency” or even saying :”We are declaring” is official phraseology and it means the same thing as “Mayday”. “Mayday!” might mean the emergency requires more immediate attention by the pilot (loss of control) but in this case the phraseology was spot on. Also in Europe, they might use “Pan pan pan” as an alternative to “Mayday”

[@tomasmarcataio2066]

@@pisymbol (in the US)

[@ccgb92]

@@pisymbol you missed the point. but that's okay

[@hatpeach1]

"Could you just make sure that it's all in one piece back there, please?" -- still not sure why pilots don't have cameras in the cockpit so they can see the engines.

[@caprica_13]

Thousands of engineers couldn't think of that idea, but you did. Good job

[@rhogaal]

There was no mayday callout.

[@buckhorncortez]

And? Broke Internet comment section protocol? OH....the shame...

[@rhogaal]

​@@buckhorncortez The screen in 00:26 says "pilots declared MAYDAY", this is not true.

[@cageordie]

Americans don't really bother using proper radio procedure. I guess they think it's more important to be cool than clear. Sometimes it means they don't get priority handling, but at least they are cool.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

@@cageordieKeep wanking, mate.

[@PN_48]

@@cageordieYep.

[@Halli50]

I fail to see the "emergency" side of this. During my airline pilot career, this was the mandatory part of the flight simulator recurrent training we did every 6 months: Catastrophic engine failure at the worst possible moment (usually immediately following the "V1" call-out at takeoff). Then we had to stagger, heavily loaded, into an emergency approach - only to have to do a single-engine go-around due to freak weather, and another approach where we were finally allowed to land. A actual engine failure may be unexpected, but almost invariably an anticlimax compared to what we experienced during our training.

[@JimmieBrown-sg8fq]

Same Military C17 guy.

[@oldRighty1]

What would you call this if not an emergency? They weren't about to crash, but now you're on 1 engine and if there's say a problem with the fuel you want to be down on the ground ASAP. So they declare an emergency, they get a priority path to land, and all is well.

[@mouseish]

Any time a twin engine commercial aircraft loses one of its engines, it will always become an emergency because there is only a single operative engine remaining.

[@jetalse7974]

Yes, everything went OK, the situation was handled well by aircrew and ATC. That's what the training you mentioned is for. With one engine gone, it takes very little to change from what was a major problem to becoming headline news. It WAS an emergency.

[@Halli50]

Of course they were REQUIRED to declare an emergency, but unless the departure weather was bad enough to call for a takeoff alternate, or you are at your ETOPS limit over the ocean, handling an engine failure should be almost a routine...

[@obamabigears734]

Nasty odor and none of the pilots are on oxygen, well done pilo….., sorry, button pushers….

[@Bohemian-Rhapsody]

Another "declaring an emergency" from poorly trained U.S pilots.🙄

[@caprica_13]

why are you guys so sour that our phraseology is different? we say declaring an emergency here in the US, and everybody knows what that means. we know to use ICAO phraseology when we're outside of the US. it's not poor training, just operational differences. Why bother sounding like robots when it's native english speakers on both ends of the microphone?

[@Bohemian-Rhapsody]

@caprica_13 Not surprised to see a xenophobic themed reply. Maybe if Mayday was coined by an American, it would be common place. But that's not the point, there's a reason distress signals are brief and clear and repeated 3 times. It's to not only let atc know but everyone around them. There's plenty of International pilots in the US at any given time so you're not just doing it wrong in their eyes but you are confusing their training by being the only ones to use a sentence instead of a callsign for distress. The arrogance is astounding. 😎 But none of this means anything, really. Until one day, it does, and it becomes a piece of cheese that didn't need to be there in the first place.🤠

[@caprica_13]

@@Bohemian-Rhapsody Wow you call us "poorly trained pilots" just because we do things differently and I'm the one that's xenophobic? All we're doing is skipping a step and starting with the nature of the emergency when making the radio call - the message is just as clear. We do use mayday if it's a busy freq and we can't get a word in, or if we're flying internationally. This has nothing to do with who coined the term or training. We go by the US convention while in our own country. We also adapt when flying internationally, and so should you when you're flying in someone else's country. Your arrogance is the one that's truly astounding, thinking the only correct way to do things is what you've been taught.

[@bridamy]

Definitely not the best showing from the pilot and flight crew on that one.

[@morganghetti]

Explain that comment. I'm a controller and I think it was handled perfectly by everyone involved. The pilots were urgent but calm and got every person in that plane safely back in the ground. They even had the situational awareness to ask for a runway sweep to ensure no other planes were endangered. Are you a pilot? Do you have any idea what was going on in that cockpit?

[@ccgb92]

more like the ATC. lmao atc didn't even get the engine fail for 3 times..

[@bridamy]

maybe it was their first real engine out, but they were slow to confirm request and flat out ignored the ground crew. Engine failure is the #1 emergency US based pilots train for. So much so it's basically a non issue. So either these pilots are very new or this is their first engine failure, but the communication could have been a little better is all im getting at. ATC and Pilots both.

[@ccgb92]

@@bridamy the pilots shouldn't have to repeat an engine failure 3 times for ATC to understand.

[@caprica_13]

Sounded just fine to me. Are you a pilot? What exactly are your qualifications to judge this?

[@ForestFelvey]

Pilots should speak clearly no matter the circumstance. During an emergency, more so. Her speech and syntax are ridiculously poor and does nothing but confuse people and endanger everyone. She should be reprimanded.

[@saxmanb777]

She won’t be reprimanded for speaking badly on the radio in an emergency. GMFB.

[@morganghetti]

You are an idiot. She did a great job.

[@wouldntyouliketoknow9891]

​@@saxmanb777completely agree, but just an FYI "GMFB" doesn't mean what it used to mean. It means something else now. Damn kids always changing stuff

[@caprica_13]

There was nothing wrong with how she spoke, get over yourself. Who are you to judge this anyway?

[@ForestFelvey]

@@caprica_13 Repeatedly, from the beginning of the first call and after that, the tower controller could not understand what she said. People commenting need to listen to the audio.