Vaughan Roberts on Justin Welby’s rejection of Church of England teaching on sex

[@inekeaknoeff7761]

Very balanced interview. Scripture stands above opinions and feelings.

[@vanessaholt6399]

Well said Vaughn Roberts. ‘A servant of Christ not a politician!’

[@simonallchin7436]

Yes in the democratic West we are used to discussing all these issues , but as Christians the word of God as revealed in the Bible is our measure and our guide ….

[@markwood7307]

And we all faithfully seek to understand what God is saying to us through Scripture, but do not agree.... that is the problem!

[@johnmulvey7890]

But the issue is the meaning of what actually is the "word of God" and it's interpretation is not unique, but rather as numerous as the thousands of Christian groups.

[@stephenargent4010]

@@simonallchin7436 the revealed word of god is Jesus not the Bible

[@simonallchin7436]

@ Yes of course I agree that Jesus Christ is the living word of God and that the Church must be centered on him « Christ in us « … but Christ as revealed in the inspired writings of the Bible and not the Christ of the culture of the 20th century Western world ( or any other culture) , which is what is happening in the English branch of the Anglican Church today !

[@stephenargent4010]

@ the church in the first three centuries seemed to manage well enough without an over reliance on the written word

[@Raymond-w5i]

I have left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church. ✝️

[@raymondgivan8249]

We must pray for our Western nations to humble themselves and pray and ask for forgiveness so that we can present ourselves pure before a holy God and before the man and woman in the street and adhere to the Bible's perspective on sex and gender. Thank you Vaughan Roberts for standing in the gap.

[@BigWillieP100]

As I've said elsewhere He is an apostate and has no right to amend the scriptures. Therefore, he should go.

[@sezziek1]

Should he not be removed from office?

[@Yasmirr]

Lord save the CoE from such poor leadership 🙏

[@sheilasmart6985]

Too late! Not my leader anyway. My leader is Jesus Christ.

[@ClaireScarrott258]

Sorry but don't hold your breath regarding the CofE going back to living it's life in service to Christ through the holy scriptures. I left after being a member of the CofE for 55 years and am now a confirmed Confessional Lutheran in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of England (ELCE.) I couldn't be happier. It is such a relief not to be waiting for the next theological car crash statement from Welby and his cronies.

[@howardlong6735]

This is what Paul meant, when he said, 'grievous wolves have crept in unawares'! Not only the church, but seminaries and bible colleges. A posh accent, long robes, and high office will not cover these apostates. The unadulterated Word will, for it is profitable for reproof and correction, exposing false doctrine. Jesus had a similar problem with the Sanhedrin.

[@Dilley_G45]

No pope and no Archbishop and no synod has the authority to change God's word. Follow the Bible or find another religion. Sola scriptura

[@20quid]

So you support slavery?

[@hazchemel]

No. Not sola scriptura. The Bible and the magisterium must be consulted and not crossed. The ego is a fallible and blind sinner, although bravely seeking the light of scripture. The magisterium therefore, must be considered before one's own interpretation of scripture. Hi 👋 with you: no man lay nor cleric may change either.

[@hazchemel]

​@@20quid​ what do you mean? how does your question emerge from @Dilley comment? how does slavery pertain to this subject?

[@stephenargent4010]

@@Dilley_G45 and obviously only the original Greek of the NT - we wouldn’t want to miss its nuances by translating it into English would we?

[@Dilley_G45]

@stephenargent4010 that's not my point. When for example Churches "allow" women pastors this is a violation of 1 Tim.2:12 and Titus 1 and 2 Tim 3. Wether Greek or English it is the same. Bergoglio however thinks he can "develop" doctrine above beyond and contra scripture. And some Anglican leaders too. And others. However no Church can violate rhe clear command in scripture against women pastors and against gay marriage or non-straight male clergy

[@grahamhinchcliffe8862]

Welby should NOT resign. He should be deposed, as having denied the faith. The question / problem is why apparently there is no such process within anglicanism.

[@BridgetWoodhouse-z2x]

Well done Vaughen we are with you all and praying for you very much. Stand firm, we will too.🙏

[@nicolasfarrar6512]

God bless you Vaughan

[@kentonnur]

Archbishop Justin Wokeby

[@markwood7307]

@@kentonnur Woke? - alert to the needs of others, especially those overlooked/oppressed by the powerful?? How very Christ-like,!!

[@danieltang1680]

Jesus would probably call Justin Welby a blind guide and even a white-washed cemetery!

[@AnthonyClay-y6h]

Justin Welby should read the comments below and then he will be obliged to realise that he doesn't speak for the entire church or even a small percentage of it and then he should do the right thing and retire.

[@SaintAdam49]

Resign

[@janbicker-caarten9416]

The right thing is to repent and beg God’s forgiveness

[@mikecrees9715]

Should be fired more like. But there is no one to fire him and no accountability. There might well be an different kind of fire waiting for him.

[@stephenargent4010]

@@AnthonyClay-y6h even the very biased report by the Evangelical right acknowledge a significant % of churchgoers are in favour of the blessing of same sex relationships. Perhaps you and the conservative right should accept and accommodate those who disagree with you?

[@johnrollins9153]

@@stephenargent4010 Rubbish.

[@terrawhenua]

Wishing Vaughan and the Alliance all the best as they try to maintain the teachings of Christ with integrity.

[@Alzexza]

Anglican's you guys are crazy.... how is this even a topic? If we can't correctly define sin, we have no reason for Christ dying on the cross. Welby needs to be removed or the church needs to split.

[@sarahlaslett3279]

He's got the backing of the majority pf the bishops and would just be replaced by another blind guide.

[@mariagonsalves9198]

Very sad, the Archbishop is leading millions to hell.

[@GinaShiel]

Yeah, trouble is if your meant to be a leader of a church you should be very clear on what is wrong and not sitting on the fence...

[@SaintAdam49]

Everyone can live without sex if they try. Sex is not a human right

[@BonusHole]

God has never forbid masturbation.

[@johnmulvey7890]

Exactly what Paul preached in his letters. But his reasoning was that Christ was to return before most of them died.

[@stephenglasse9756]

​@@johnmulvey7890Christ would have returned if Israel repented on mass (Acts 3:19-20) but the Bible consistently affirms heterosexual monogamous marriage as the only alternative to celibacy.

[@johnmulvey7890]

@stephenglasse9756 The Bible certainly doesn't support monogamous marriage. There are many examples of men having numerous wives or having sex outside of a " marriage". They were not punished for such and women were killed for such behaviour. The Bible portrays women as mere property to be passed from a father to.her husband. The Bible is not a model to be used for a perfect relationship.

[@bobwaughman6259]

God left the C of E many years back when He burnt down Yorkminster after they ordained a bishop who did not believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection. "When the foundations are destroyed what can the righteous do?"

[@hazchemel]

It can't be denied, speaking of the C of E collectively. But I pray that individual congregants live and pray and serve the Lord our God. It is to your great credit that you maintain faith and belief in Him even with the burden of a harlots' church. Amen brother in Christ.

[@robertjarman4261]

David Jenkins was the bishop of Durham,now in a hot place.

[@lukemarshall1701]

A later bishop of Durham was Tom Wright, whose grasp of Jesus’ resurrection was wonderfully clear. May God give the Church of England leaders who hold to what the Bible teaches.

[@stephenargent4010]

@@robertjarman4261 what cruel vindictive and narcissistic god you have created

[@MH-zq4nl]

Given that Welby did not hold these views when he first became Archbishop, one wonders what or who has bewitched him?

[@DMCpellegrino]

Stockholm syndrome, guv.

[@chrismachin2166]

No wonder the sheep are not being fed at the local level.

[@davidbaines2603]

In 2013 I was praying and I started to pray for the CoE. God brought me up short. I felt He was saying: "David, do not pray for the Church of England for I have determined judgement upon her." It was like his command to Jeremiah: "Do not pray for this people." I believe the CoE is under God's judgement.

[@benbsingh]

Why the Church is not rejecting false teachers like Justin!!!?? The church (people) are complacent !!

[@manichairdo9265]

@benbsingh Many have left the Church of England, including me, though I didn't wait until it got this bad There is a summary online. In 2010, the congregation had half the numbers attending in 1960. A loss of more than million. More recently, though not updated, the congregation has lost about a quarter more people. This trend will probably continue unless God Himself shows up and brings change.

[@androidunknown8094]

What a hypocrite Mr Welby is! According to the Bible, woe to him....

[@sueedwards9334]

The so-called archbishop should resign.

[@mikehorne165]

The King as Supreme Governer of the CofE should be petitioned for Archbishop Welby to stand down.

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

The king won't do that he is his mate lol. And the king is not a Christian anyway, his coronation was not strictly Christian, it involved other religions. The bible tells us that Jesus is the only way. Not all religions serve Almighty God. That is 1 big fat lie that the spirit of religion tells the world

[@mikehorne165]

@@TheLightofJesus-js4nr As a member of the Church of England what do you suggest is done where where you see false teaching, in the case in question where it is the Archbishop of Canterbury?

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

@@mikehorne165 I have only 1 suggestion to make seek our Almighty God. I believe this country in in big trouble and the church also. His judgement will begin in the church because He is a just God. And I have to be perfectly honest regarding the behavior of the Archbishop of Canterbury, this is not false teaching, it is complete and utter disregard for everything that is Holy and true. Our Lord. How could that man possibly bring anyone to our Messiah?. I feel he should just resign and that whatever faith he had has been long gone. He is compromised. He is not the only bishop that should resign, I as Christian do not come into agreement with the Church of England. And 1 other thing our Lord will not be mocked. I have been told to give you Micah 4. I have a KJV by the way. Blessings to you. Seek our Lords face Mike. Shalom.

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

@@mikehorne165 Hi I have been told to add this - the Church of England is Apostate. I pray that you receive understanding. Shalom

[@mikehorne165]

@@TheLightofJesus-js4nr Jesus is Lord of His Church and prayers for the Church of England to make Jesus our Lord will be answered - the gates of Hell will not prevail.

[@ing-mariekoppel1637]

Ooh, this kind of stuff seems what dominates among problems - many other issues has taken the backseat and should be lifted again 😮

[@fionaforward3358]

If the church is not teaching the Bible they should shut their doors.Full stop!End of subject!

[@manichairdo9265]

THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT OPTIONAL IF YOU CLAIM TO FOLLOW HIM AND HIS TEACHING.

[@stephenargent4010]

@@manichairdo9265 and way did Jesus say on this subject?

[@manichairdo9265]

@@stephenargent4010 Check out Mark 14:21, Stephen. One of many verses where Jesus referred to the OT in reference to Him. Also, Isaiah 53.

[@janvandenberg3504]

Well spoken, Vaughan.

[@Vandweller66]

God can't bless disobedience

[@pcmartiny]

As in the days of Noah...

[@elizabethsadler7372]

A brilliant interview !

[@shirleymitchell8398]

The Young Will Convert The Young. Blessed Carlo Acutis is a Wonderful Saint to Be For Our Young People to Look Up to. 🕊️💖

[@Starchaser63]

The Archbishop of Canterbury - " All talk and no Holy Spirit ".

[@MichaelPetek]

King Henry VIII was in a committed relationship with Anne Boleyn while his lawful wife yet lived. So that's all right then.

[@keithwignall1428]

Well said!

[@stephenwalton3140]

27:35 + Why do we want to avoid this and have an orthodox grouping that is still within an apostate church? Surely the formation of something similar to the ACNA would be the best solution?

[@phoenixaz8431]

I hope for Justin's eternity that the fear of God will very soon be an integral part of his life. His *only* job is essentially to preach in and out of season. The Bible is *crystal clear* on that.

[@melindadabbenigno479]

False teacher as prophecied in the Bible.

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

This is why God's judgement starts with the church

[@MH-zq4nl]

I suggest that the description of our sinful condition as described here is inaccurate. We all have a fallen nature and are subject to temptation to sin. If we say that we all commit sexual sin, that gives the unrepentant sinner an excuse to think that he is OK then, because we are all up to it. Being tempted is quite different from acting on it. Even Jesus was tempted.

[@judytessa]

Why does your video editor keep the background music going for so long after the speaker starts? It’s normal to fade it out as soon as the speaker starts.

[@shirleymitchell8398]

Sin means "Missing The Mark"... We Love the Human, but we hate the Sin, as "Sin Separates Us From OUR GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER. NO, NO, NO...Justin Welby... You Never Bless Any Sin, Whatever The Sin is. What is Wrong With You... Your Yes Needs To Be YES, And Your NO Needs to be NO. YOU EMBRACE THE PERSON,BUT NEVER "THE SIN!"😮🥺🙈🥴🤯 💥💥💥 Loco, Loco, Loco. No Wonder 'Some of 'Our Young People are Confused'! 🕊️💖🙏🪔 🕯️🕯️🕯️. 🌻🌻🌻

[@Thinkagain21]

What's happened to church discipline?

[@andrewbrown3818]

Perhaps this is the time when the CofE ceases to be the established church and becomes free to be prophetic to the nation. What after all is the scriptural basis for a 'church' being the established church of a nation?

[@margyeoman3564]

Open sin should be rebuked.

[@dibble2005]

sin is invented by men.

[@johngillatt2740]

The "arch bishop" conveniently waited for after Prince Philip died before expressing this view!

[@nja1076]

Thank You

[@barr474]

The defender of the faith (King Charles) should relieve him of his position

[@Tujoli60]

The Defender of the Faith who divorced his wife you mean?

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

@@Tujoli60. Don’t forget, who also ran around on her.

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

So what do you say about Augustine’s Just War theory in the light of Scriptures absolutely clear injunctions, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ ‘Love your enemy. Turn the other cheek’? Or do we only stick rigorously to Scripture when, personally, we not going to be hurt by it?

[@sarahlaslett3279]

Those scriptures relate to relationships with each other as believers and also hose who do not believe. In the Old Testament God forbade murder but he allowed war. Jesus said "If my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight for it" We are waiting for his Kingdom to fully come. But we are at present in this the world and there will be times when we will have to fight in order to restrain evil. If I saw a helpless old lady being attacked in the street I would do my best to fight the attackers off and I wouldn't mind what happened to me or how much force I had to use. I would do the same for an animal. The Bible says:- "there is a time for war and a time for peace" ( Ecclesiastes 3 vs. 8) My parents were active in WW2. It was a war against Hitler and his aim to use military might to bring Europe under his Nazi rule and establish a dictatorship which would would wipe out every Jew gypsy or homosexual person and then to establish an Aryan race.. As you may know Jews were put into concentration camps where many died as a result of being worked and starved to death. They were gassed and some were surgically experimented on. This was indeed a time for war! To have been passive at such a time would have been complicit with Hitler and to have helped him with his evil project.

[@mitchmclean5435]

Vaughn Roberts is an absolute saint. Can't wait for Archbishop Roberts of a third province of the Church of England.

[@CumbriaPreaching]

Oh dear

[@jeanturnbull5]

What does Welby's teach children about marriage. And drag queens.

[@michaelkeane8508]

What is he doing In the clergy .Marriage is between a man or women .He is confusing the argument .He can go to his Church but get out of the clergy

[@sleepwalker7755]

JW… you really need to study the Bible and scrutinise the church doctrine with correct hermeneutics!

[@dacdail15]

The alliance should just completely break away from the C of E they will never agree.how can 2 walk together if they can't agree.

[@michaelkeane8508]

Alcholics have a challenge .Drug addicts have a challenge .Gambling can be a problem .Sex Addiction can be a problem .If you are in the Clergy you are an apostle an example sin is the worst thing in the world .Thinking is not the problem it’s acting on it

[@stephenargent4010]

@@michaelkeane8508 clergy are not apostles

[@VP-P-r3e]

As Christians, we should look up to Jesus, not Justin Welby. We should follow Jesus' example. The Word of God is accurate, not Justin Welby's. We need the Word of God to teach back at our schools.

[@markwood7307]

And Jesus said precisely nothing about same sex/gender issues, but told his disciples the Spirit would reveal new truths they were not yet ready to hear. It's not as simple as pretending we have an instruction manual that covers everything... We ALL need to pray for guidance and forgiveness, not just those we disagree with.

[@johnmulvey7890]

Word of God is accurate? What do you mean precisely? The present edition of the Bible? A collection of anonymous viewpoints and edited hearsay.

[@VP-P-r3e]

Acts 5:29-32 The Message (MSG) Peter and the apostles answered, “It's necessary to obey God rather than men. The God of our ancestors raised up Jesus, the One you killed by hanging him on a cross. God set him on high at his side, Prince and Savior, to give Israel the gift of a changed life and sins forgiven.

[@VP-P-r3e]

​@@johnmulvey7890Psalms 118:8-14 NKJV - It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in princes.

[@VP-P-r3e]

Jeremiah 17:5 warns us, “Thus says the LORD, 'Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind And makes flesh his strength, And whose heart turns away from the LORD. '”

[@stormin146]

I got as far as Vaughan Roberts' comment on the consistency of the Bible's teaching on marriage ... Clearly one guy one woman became the norm. But what about poIygamy? What about brothers having to marry a deceased brother's wife, which was recognised by our Lord as an exception that needed to change? As for the Church's record on this over the centuries it has changed. For about the first 1000 years ordinary people didn't have church weddings. Shouldn't we be having a little bit more humility here, and learn from the Apostolic Fathers who prized unity? As a regular visitor to St Ebbe's 60 years ago, I am somewhat disappointed.

[@johnmulvey7890]

I agree this invention of a univocal view of idealised marriage throughout the old and new Testament is a fabrication. Read the text carefully. Polygamy was widespread in the Bible. Men were allowed to have extra marital affairs, but not women who would be killed for such. Woman were mere possessions who were traded off by father's to prospective husbands. Don't talk about the sanctity of marriage!!

[@stephenargent4010]

@@stormin146 thank you for wise words in a forest of dogma

[@deanephillips7568]

So you know better than God where in Gods Holy Word does it say homosexuality is okay. In many verses it says it’s an abomination. Leviticus 18 and 20 · "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. !! I have left the C of E

[@shout6892]

Cross the Tiber!

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

Currently doing that! RCIA!

[@shout6892]

@@Mutasis_Mutandis Very nice! God bless!

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

@ Thank you!

[@SarahArthur-i8z]

How does Archbishop feels when blessing two men or two women when God instituted first marriage between Adam and Eve?

[@carolebates9235]

Sarah Arthur-Yes, the institution of marriage, I.e between one man, one woman was introduced by God. It is not a man made institution. God does not recognise it.God’s intention was to create family units that would bring up children in Godly ways. A woman or man alone cannot create a child. There has to be a joining of the two.

[@stephenargent4010]

@@SarahArthur-i8z where does the Bible mention marriage between Adam and Eve?

[@PatrickGillan-g7e]

😂

[@AnthonyClay-y6h]

I thought the King was the head and protector of the Church what is he saying?

[@manichairdo9265]

He's only the head of the church of England. Jesus, alone, is the Head of His body, the church.

[@orcharddweller1109]

We can forget about the king, he will do nothing for Christians or the British people.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

They're all twisted. The vicar in a nearby very small town is a convert from the Catholic Church. He decided he simply couldn't continue without his very young male lover, so he became a c of e vicar instead. Luckily for the young man he managed to escape the clutches of the man more than double his age after about 4 months and with the help of the parishioners.

[@johnpower-m5o]

I feel very sad listening to this conversation - and the use of polarised language, such as orthodox - liberal - conservative ...... The language of conflict, opposites, and of difference. How can there ever be healing and unity, with this kind of dogmatic engagement. The two gentlemen here are speaking like divine beings, raised up on the high moral stage. Sexuality is God given, and as mere human beings, we are well aware that it is a very complex issue, where we simply cannot have all the (quick and convenient) answers. I would suggest compassion first, leaving dogma, judgement, and the rest, to God. I grew up in a country, Ireland, where women were incarcerated, and made to work as slaves in "industrial" Laundries, because of their "sexual sins". Their punishment, and the taking of their babies, born "out of wedlock" was pure evil. Love and compassion, leave the rest to our creator. Over intellectualisation and theology, will only burn the spiritual vegetation.

[@LukeDavenport-p3b]

Revelation 22: 12-15 ESV 12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[e] so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practises falsehood.

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

Run from Canterbury!

[@inekeaknoeff7761]

Can churchmembers read the letter from the Alliance?

[@Jayne-z5s]

Iniquity in the heart cannot help but expose itself regardles of what comes out of the mouth. Iniquity always rejects Gods Word.

[@DavidSmith-lu7xv]

WELBY ONCE SOLD OIL, NOW JUSTIN SELLS OUT CHRISTIAN ORTHODOXY. ONCE A SALESMAN ALWAYS A SALESMAN

[@shirleymitchell8398]

TRUE LOVE "PRODUCES GOOD FRUIT," "NOT ROTTEN FRUIT."🕊️ 🍇🍇🍇 🔥❤️🔥🙏🙏🙏

[@555pontifex]

My God, the arrogance!

[@stephengibbs5437]

✅🙏 Thanks

[@Geonova74]

Its clear looking at the videos on this channel that church politics gets thousands/tens of thousands of views but non church political formation videos get a tiny fraction of that audience

[@ulmusminor1111]

If you watch the whole podcast, which (like some of the posts on here), I consider a graceful exemplar of a Christian witness, hosted by two gentlemen of opposing political backgrounds, who, nevertheless present a good example of how to ‘disagree agreeably’. There are of course many different interpretations of what Christianity is. Those of us from an Evangelical background will have been told that this is the true version of faith, but even evangelicals disagree among themselves about certain matters. I have found that many who speak out against gay relationships are - heterosexuals or are asexual (meaning they can live without experiencing any desire for a sexual relationship for all or part of their lives). It is easy to declare that a gay relationship is wrong when you have no desire to engage in such. In the gospels I do not seem to see much focus on ‘gays’; what is apparent is that The Lord Jesus Christ did not like hypocrisy; in fact he seemed to spend quite a bit of his time with people who would have been seen as outcasts; seemingly, not caring so much for those who were manifesting self-righteousness, especially if such were trying to justify such on established religious practices of the day. I can equally think of Christians who feel equally strongly about ‘the sin’ of having a mortgage or of driving their car on a Sunday or think it is ‘a sin’ for their teenage children to have ‘non-Christian’ friends. Thus, I suggest to all, focus on seeking your own sanctification. As for Archbishop Welby; he has done a lot of good in the UK, for example he has moved against payday loan companies. He acknowledges that some are not happy with the concept of gay relationships, in the Anglican Communion and within the Church of England. People in senior positions experience pressures that most people who are not, (or have not been), ‘of rank and consequence’, could not imagine; much of this coming from the secular press. When people in the church, be that the ‘home denomination’ or the wider church, openly attack an archbishop they can apply fuel to a fire that is already hot, sometimes with fatal consequences. If you need an example look up Crockfords Clerical Preface suicide. A closing thought about the bible; there are some who seem to have more of a faith in the bible than in The Lord Jesus Christ. We do not have any of the original manuscripts of the bible and thus what we do have has almost certainly been subject to editing; for example, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; these names have been subsequently added to the ‘text’. The issue seems to be that with some evangelicals; they seem to want to speak ‘ex cathedra’ about such matters. May the Peace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

[@sarahlaslett3279]

At the end of the day, after all the ifs, ands and maybe's, the Bible is absolutely clear on where the lines fall in the area of sexual morality. It never was and never will be a subject of who thinks what. God likens his relationship with his people to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman, we his people being the woman, his bride and He our heavenly bridegroom.. To blur the lines on the matter is wrong and to put it in the context of other varying views within the church is wrong. You seem to suggest it's just another area where Christians disagree and after all the manusctipts..... as if to suggest therefore we can't be sure about the matter. I"ve heard the latter raised so many times and people far better informed who know a great deal more about the manuscripts and have done a great deal of research argue that scripture as we have it is reliable. There are a few seeming discrepancies but the matter of sexual morality in the Bible is nowhere ambiguous. I greatly respect Vaughan who lives sacrificially for Christ. "Come I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb" ( Revelation 21 vs...9) "The Spirit and the Bride say "Come". And let the one who hears say "Come" (Revelation 22 vs. 17)

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

It’s not about what I (or anyone else) wants or desires. It’s what God wants for us. If I’m a wise person I will want what God wants for me, not what I think I want. God gives grace to live out the life he wants for us.

[@onceamusician5408]

whether anyone rejects the teaching of a church is immaterial, being neither here nor there ( it might even be a good thing!) but if Welby rejects the teaching of SCRIPTURE that is entirely a different matter. I regard tradition as merely another name for lazy thinking. The scripture and scripture ALONE is the authority of truth and morals. IMO if you speak of the church's authority and reject sola scriptura you have nothing to offer me

[@temiadeloye8800]

It is comforting to know that some other people share my discomfort with the recent podcast by Archbishop Welby whereby he boldly expressed clear deviation from the Scriptures and Doctrines of the Church. He made our Lord's view on marriage as wrong, unacceptable, irrelevant and countless. In view of Archbishop Justin oath regarding the Scriptures at his ordination and consecration, this is horrible and unbelievable. While I pray for him, I will leave him to his conscience and his God, to Whom he would surely account. My first shock about Archbishop Justin was when he was quoted to say that sex is not restricted to married people only. Thereby, he authorised fornication and adultery. Once homosexuality goes through in the Church, what next would be approved? Sleeping with animals or children? After all, some evil people "feel" they are created with such feelings! Archbishop Justin brings to mind Jeroboam, son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin. The purpose of writing is to suggest if CEEC and Christians holding the Bible as The Guide would consider organising a PUBLIC MARCH to make clear our own stand. The MARCH would be to hold up our placards to publicly dissociate from Archbishop Justin's views. We should rightly demand the resignation of Archbishops and all Bishops who are opposed to the teaching of the Bible to which they took oaths to. Only a shameless person will stay within an organisation, and take office in it and not believe in its Principal guidelines. It is easy to conclude that for such people, they are in the Faith for other things- possibly power, position , their belly or worse, to be Satan's instrument to destroy Christian faith. I am suggesting CEEC considers a Public demonstration to make clear that we do NOT accept Welby's views on marriage and sex. We differ because his view contradicts the Bible and morality. Even people without faith know fornication and adultery are unhealthy. It is disappointing that an Archbishop doesn't think so. In my view, we need MORE than a parallel province. We need to consider PUBLICLY dissociating from ungodly utterances. Why can't Bishops and people who refuse abiding with Biblical guidelines still want to be in the Church? To re-write the Bible? Such Bishops should please let us be. They should consider starting their own " Church" where "everything is ok". Some of us daily wish to live according to God's words. Thank God, irrespective of Archbishop Welby 's views, it is ONLY marriage God blesses that is blessed. Sometimes, one wonders , fundamentally, if some people regard the Bible as the Word of God. So, who is on the Lord's side? Who will be His Voice in this generation? Who will "March" for Him? Who is courageous for TRUE , undiluted Evangelism

[@debbiebarrow7557]

Archbishop Justin Welby who said if Jesus was walking the earth that He would take a certain "liquid gold" December 2021....

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

One world religion here we come

[@wordscapes5690]

When I first heard about this, I bought into the conservative rhetoric; everyone blaming liberal folk and yelling about Welby being kind to the LGBTQs and his “wokeness” (whatever the hell that means), thus allowing perversion into the church. And then I looked into it and I realized that this Smyth person was of the old traditional school: “You need to man-up, boys, man-up for Jesus!”. The old Anglican school rules: beat into submission, break the spirit… in short, the glory days of the public school fagging system (look it up if you are unfamiliar with the term) - the conservative-minded, traditionalist attitude toward manhood, and the boys-don’t-cry, stiff-upper-lip garbage that we all went through in my generation. I went through hell on earth at my Anglican school. I have scars, psychological and physical. Stop pinning this one on the wokists and the queers. This one’s yours.

[@stephenglasse9756]

You're always going to have warped individuals. This video however is about general acceptance and trends and that is on the woke, liberal, scripture rejecting bishops and clergy

[@bravetuber430]

They have the stonewall group now reading stories to C of E preschoolers

[@MotherMissionary]

Unbelievable. 😢

[@softbingan]

Isn't it the whole purpose of the invention of protestantism?---Do whatever I like. Believe whatever suits my personal needs( especially those concerning sexual needs).

[@markwood7307]

@@softbingan No, but as the C of E isn't strictly a 'Protestant' denomination, it wouldn't be relevant anyway!

[@davidknox5929]

Problem is God didn't seem to worry about polygamy amonst patriarchs!!

[@christineanderson-x5u]

Not one of the polygamous marriages in Scripture was happy. Conflict and one upmanship between the wives and their children.

[@stephenargent4010]

So do you supportLeviticus20:13 ???

[@DMCpellegrino]

Not sure who your question is to, but I think Vaughn makes the point against criminalisation on the basis that it is inconsistent if it’s being selective, ie being inconsistent to scripture in punishing one kind of sexual sin and not another; otherwise, (if you think about it) those calling for criminalisation, if they are being consistent, must also support the same for adultery. In Mosaic law concerning adultery, the ancient Israelites were required to stone the guilty participants to death. In its 2000 year history, by contrast, no such law was ever enacted within the realms of Christendom, at least not in Europe, as far as I’m aware.

[@stephenargent4010]

@ so the Bible is subject to the laws of the land.? Since the marriage of same sex couple is now legal in the UK why are you opposing it?

[@DMCpellegrino]

@@stephenargent4010 Who is claiming that the Bible is subject to the laws of the land ?

[@Tujoli60]

In the Bible I read, relationships are NOT exclusively one man and one woman for life and God blessed polygamous people!

[@carolebates9235]

The Lord Jesus Christ brought the word of God in the New Testament to Jews and Gentiles. He heightened the moral code to examine intent, not just action. The Mosaic law was fulfilled by Christ. Nowhere does he endorse any marriage outside of one man, one woman for life. Romans 7:1-3. Of course this was a type of the marriage between the Lord Jesus Christ and his bride.

[@markwood7307]

He does absolutely rule out remarriage of divorcees (long accepted by many Evangelicals), but does not comment on who may love whom...

[@stephenargent4010]

@@carolebates9235 please advise where Jesus endorsed marriage and between one man and one woman for life?

[@CumbriaPreaching]

@@stephenargent4010 Have you never read...... Mar 10:6-9 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” Notice the word wife NOT wives.

[@carolebates9235]

Stephen argent, Thanks for your comment. Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 19:3-10-(taking in context) The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? V4-And Jesus answered and said unto them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause (reason) shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh, What therefore Gid has joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He said unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Christ did not speak his own thoughts, it was the thinking of his Father. Compare John 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. Also John 8:26,28,29. 12:49. 14:8-18. If we wonder how this can be, Isaiah 50:4,5. gives the explanation. The Lord GOD has given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakens morning by morning, he wakens amens mine ear to hear as the learned.

[@ianthornton4760]

Other religions hold the view that it's immoral and put to death the people who do such things. Because it's a sin only punishable by death. It not right to serve unrighteousness when the world doesn't. Christianity however tolerated it. But you'd be wrong to go against world religions and think they accept the view the UK has took. And to be honest politically devided the nation.

[@bravetuber430]

Stonewall group read stories to preschoolers??

[@andrewsmith3344]

I've been with my " partner" for 20 years, so sex between us is "ok"? Hooray!

[@20quid]

But the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality or limit marriage to one man and one woman. So what teaching exactly has he gone against?

[@GloriaWilson-g9j]

There are a number of verses dealing with these topics: e.g. Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans 1:26-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. On marriage, read Genesis 2:24, Mark 10:6-9, 1 Corinthians 7:2.

[@TheLightofJesus-js4nr]

It's Herecy

[@paulheppleston8506]

You don’t represent the views of all.

[@stephenglasse9756]

A profound and revelatory response😮 well done 😊

[@manuelaperry7209]

Bravo Archbishop Welby - love wins.

[@Afer_Imber]

DON'T EVEN GIVE HIM AIR TIME ON YOUR PROGRAMME! PLEASE CUT THIS FOOTAGE OUT.

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

It’s important that people know what is going on. We are to call out error.

[@peterlittlewood9810]

Do you really believe that if Jesus was here today, with his message of love and compassion, he would point his finger at gay people and condemn them as sinners for being what he created them to be.

[@manichairdo9265]

He didn't create them to be gay, and if any of them give their lives over to Him, they will be led out of sexual sin like everybody else. Flee sexual immorality....1 Corinthians 6: 12 - 20. The word of God is NOT OPTIONAL.

[@christineanderson-x5u]

He didn't create us to be gay. Its a dysfunction that he wants to heal

[@markwood7307]

@@manichairdo9265 that only makes any sense if you think being gay is sexual sin. A very large proportion of faithful Christians do not.

[@davidbaines2603]

They need to read their Bibles.

[@aussiebloke51]

I assume that by the logic expressed in this video that the Archbishop of Sydney needs to resign as he permits deacons and lay people to preside at the Lord's Supper and doesn't insist that the churches in his diocese are furnished according to the rubrics of the Book of Common Prayer, so the Lord's Table is in its accustomed place and not pushed aside for the band, etc I'm not sure why evangelicals are so hung up on sex. Is there any difference between a couple who have been married in civil ceremony coming to their parish church to seek God's blessing in their lives, and a married couple bringing their pets to church to give thanks and ask for God's blessing, or military chaplains blessing instruments of war etc?

[@Crucian1]

Evangelicals are only as "hung up on sex" as the Bible is. And we didn't bring the subject up in the first place; we're only responding to the revisionists' initiative to change the doctrine of the C of E to a stance which contradicts scripture and the tradition of the church.

[@TheB1nary]

Category error right there...

[@aussiebloke51]

@@Crucian1 The Bible is remarkably not hung up on sex. Paul has a fairly lengthy list: Col 3.5-10 5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming. 7 In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. Imagine what the church would be like without covetousness, anger, wrath, malice, slander, and lies. Most clergy meetings would not have anything on their agenda, and parish prayer groups would have nothing to talk about.

[@aussiebloke51]

@@TheB1nary No - the argument was not just about scripture but also the accusation that Welby was rejecting church teaching. If you accuse someone of rejecting church teaching then you are obliged to keep all church teaching yourself, otherwise it's hypocrisy.

[@Crucian1]

@@aussiebloke51 My point is that we want to give sexual immorality the same weight it has in scripture. The Bible does seem to say there is something particular about sexual sin: "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." 1Cor6:18. Avoidance of it is one of the few injunctions laid down by the Jerusalem council in Acts 17, and Paul gives it as the chief consequence of idolatry in Romans 1. So again, we want to have the same attitude as the Bible towards it.

[@iainrae6159]

As Mary Magdallen put it, ' never trust a thirsty camel at a dry waterhole '.