Depeche Mode WITHOUT Alan Wilder - Subscriber reactions!!

[@rbrtck]

The members of DM have stated that the split of their profit, collectively as a group, was an even 25% between them (when Alan or Vince were members). Martin does make significantly more money than the others because in addition he receives royalties for having written the vast majority of the songs, which is a separate matter, as I'm sure you know. Alan receives a bit extra for the nine or so songs he wrote for DM himself, including album sales and every time his songs are performed on stage (happened sometimes back in the day, especially "If You Want"). Vince also receives royalties for the songs he wrote, and probably the most royalty money of any single DM song has been made by his song "Just Can't Get Enough"--I don't know about the UK, but in the US I hear this song all time on TV commercials and such, performed by DM and others. The department store Target has used this song in several promotions, including their back-to-school ads every year for the past umpteen years--I think he makes more from this one song than he does from Erasure these days! :D As for Martin not appreciating Alan's work, I really don't think it's about what he said or didn't say. Appreciation has different shades of meaning, and I think the real issue is that Martin often didn't like Alan's work, and whether he did or not, he never thought it was essential for DM's success as a band, artistically or financially. He and the others used to make fun of Alan for putting in so much work, and at times tried to coax him away from the studio to have a drink with them at the pub. To me this means they didn't think what he did was important--they did not value his contributions. This hurt Alan far more than any other conflict within the band. He didn't need a pat on the head and a socially-awkward and probably insincere "Thank you" from Martin. Alan wanted his work to truly be appreciated and valued--it is by many fans, but he needed this from his bandmates, and he didn't get it until well after his departure. Dave realized only years later that Alan gave DM a unique sound, and in doing so contributed something valuable that is now missed. In the _101_ DVD commentary, which was actually recorded well after Alan had left, Dave admitted that he had had no idea that DM had a particular, unique sound back in the day, but he realized now what was missing from their music. I think he regrets dismissing Alan's work like he did immediately after Alan quit, when he, Martin, and Fletch all kept repeating the mantra that DM was Martin's songs and Dave's voice, and that's it. This wasn't just marketing at the time--they meant it. That's what is really meant by Alan's work not being appreciated--it's the kind of disheartening feeling that can make an artist want to quit. Now Dave has changed his tune about Alan's work (and claims that Martin has, too, even if he's too proud to admit it), and apparently he's changed his mind about DM being about Martin's songs, too--now it's Dave's songs and Dave's voice with Martin as his little helper, and don't believe for one second that Martin doesn't feel threatened by this (I wonder if he feels appreciated these days). Concerning conflicts within the band, Alan often clashed with Martin creatively, which is why I think Martin wasn't a big fan of his work. Martin apparently didn't think his songs needed much work, which was why, for example, he made the Spanish Taster version of "To Hand and to Hold" (compare this with Alan's version on the album)--he really disliked what Alan did with this song in particular. He also didn't like what Alan and Flood did with "Enjoy the Silence" at all, at least until they asked him to write a guitar riff that it seemed to need. After Martin did that, then the uptempo version of the song grew on him, but he and Alan would continue to clash on what the songs needed, with Alan generally winning out because usually Martin didn't care as much (and Alan probably had the producers' support). Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they got along OK personally, with only an occasional grumble from Alan about Martin's laziness and having to do all of the studio work and a bunch of legwork on top of that. You're right that it was Alan and Fletch who clashed the most personally, and on one occasion Alan even literally got into a fistfight with him over something he (Fletch) said. Alan started the fight because Fletch bitched about how awful Dave sounded during one live performance, and Alan thought that was rich considering Fletch's nonexistent contribution to the band. :D Probably more than that was involved, but in any case it's safe to assume that the obvious is true--that Alan got along best with Dave, even if Dave couldn't hear/perceive and therefore didn't appreciate Alan's creative contributions until years later. I totally agree with you that Dave would have tried to convince Alan to stay if he had been able to at the time. Martin was confused. Fletch was pissed off.

[@kingcharlie4]

Considering how amazing the In Chains remix is, it would be incredible if they brought Alan back as a producer.

[@dominicdesbois6215]

To be honest, that remix is not far from what SoFaD soundscape wise and it's precisly the thing that I don't like about it. Between SoFaD and SotU, 14 years has past and Alan 'the genious' has not evolved that much musically. So what's the point of wanting a former member back as a producer if he cannot bring much more to DM that he already has?

[@kingcharlie4]

Dominic Desbois It’s all opinion based, but I just found the remix to be much more interesting than the original version.

[@nidialopez91]

Jimmy Ward. I totally loved the remix. Much better than the original version. I completely agree with you.

[@lfr230]

Dominic Desbois . Fine analysis.

[@stefanchernev4996]

Exactly!

[@corstenmartin2986]

I completely agree that the music world needs Alan Wilder in one form or another. No one can change what happened, but he has far too large of a fan base to be sitting on the sidelines. Alan, life is too short. We want content and are willing to pay for it.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Corsten Martin get on board bro!! Awesome !! V😎👍

[@_.OX._]

Would love it for Alan Wilder to produce for Depeche Mode. Depeche Mode without Wilder is like eating your favourite dish with a main ingredient missing, you still eat it but it does'nt quite hit the spot.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Well said!! V:-)

[@davidw5515]

Bring back Alan Wilder,Gareth Jones, Daniel Miller and Flood and you would have a classic DM album 😉

[@leahmcconnell9685]

Ah, the dream team! Agree!

[@sonofhibbs4425]

Better yet- a challenge! Any music produced must only use older synth technology from the mid 80’s. Would be curious to hear what they’d come up with decades later!

[@annier895]

The fact that Flood helped produce the downward spiral shows how iconic he is

[@ash23neuro]

For those who don't have Facebook or don't want to join "Alan Wilder back to Depeche Mode" group that's what author refers to: Dave Gahan: “I really miss Alan’s input on everything we [now] do musically, but I miss him as a friend. He was probably the person I felt supported by the most in the band and I wish I’d fought harder for him to stay. What Alan really wanted was for Martin to turn around and say, ‘You’ve really contributed something great,’ but Martin’s not someone who hands out compliments very often.”

[@VaughnGeorge]

Cheers for that Ash!! Goos to Catch you on the channel!! V:-)

[@leahmcconnell9685]

Glad you mentioned this, thought I remembered the same. Makes my heart ache that these friends lost something back then.

[@marshallpotter818]

That’s the real tragedy. Friendship is way more important than recognition, fame, and music. Egos always get in the way. There’s always pride before the fall. These guys shared experiences that only they could relate to. But no one was thinking about being thankful or gracious back then. It’s really sad.

[@leejay2418]

This is heartbreaking to read. Dave is always the peacemaker.

[@junebaby166]

Thank you for that. It reminds me of the famous interview the band gave in the "Ministry of Sound" after the release of "Faith and Devotion". Those who saw it will remember how towards the end Alan says that Dave has a big responsibility on tour because he carries a lot of the live show. Dave then says that only in the last couple of years the other band members started to realise that. So back then, just like Alan, Dave was lacking appreciation from his band colleagues. That's so sad.

[@niebuhrsongs]

I love the ending of this video suggesting Patreon and film music. The comment "If Trent Reznor can do it, SURELY Alan can do" tells me that Alan now has the recognition he was lacking in Depeche Mode. He may never have gotten it from the other members, but the fan community loves him and acknowledges how special his productions were. Alan, you're missed! (And now I wish I had bought more Recoil releases. Damn)

[@leahmcconnell9685]

I know, I missed out on some of the really early Recoil stuff - maybe if he gets active in music again he might consider limited re-releases. One can hope.

[@ninawildr4207]

Yes film! Fantasy here ...john wick 4 ! I mean hes Recoil🙄💁‍♀️

[@Judy-1989]

Alan is loved! He can do ANYTHING with his AMAZING talents! By God, I would pay for his music. Truly, it would be worth any amount. I wonder if he realizes the power he has.

[@carlavalladares1817]

Could you make a video about Recoil? Greetings from Chile ☺

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hello Carla !! Yes I will!! Thank you !! V:-) xx

[@moemode]

I grew up with depeche mode from some great reward onwards . To me the band spilt up after sofad. They are the best cover band touring at the moment .their albums are meaningless without alans music . Recoil is far superior to the depeche of nowadays . Just my two cent worth .

[@gabrielmazuca8256]

Great suggestion! Thank you! I love Recoil...😊😊

[@videomannpunktch]

Yes, please some Recoil video! Would absolutely love!

[@PaulJohnson-lf3wx]

Alan built the soundscapes around Martin’s songs - The In Chains remix he did was a welcome reminder of that partnership. You are spot on about him applying that skill to film music.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Cheers Paul!! V:-)

[@neilmurrell281]

DM were diminished without Alan Wilder.

[@shadowfreak71972]

You really did open a can of worms with this, Vaughn. You're right-Alan IS one of the most influential and talented musicians of our time! It may have been glossed over by the mainstream because Depeche Mode was never really considered a "mainstream" band, although that's always made me scratch my head a bit. How can a band SELL OUT the Rose Bowl and not be "mainstream"? But I digress. They were never included on the Grammy Awards show or anything else, beyond David Letterman, really. YET, if you just pick any random artist who is actively selling records today and go look up who inspired them, the chances are VERY good that Depeche Mode will be counted among those influences, if not the primary reason they began to do what they do! By DEFINITION, Alan is absolutely among the most inspirational artists living and for him to simply not be making music is really a tragedy. For him to not be making music with Depeche Mode has left MANY of us with a hole in our souls in the shape of a big DM... We love you, Alan!

[@Lastman737]

I'd like to see some Pet Shop Boys stuff or some New Order / Joy Division related videos. Keep it up! Love the channel. 🎶✌

[@VaughnGeorge]

Those are all in the pipeline my friend!! V:-)

[@Lofote]

@@VaughnGeorge ...and Jarre :)

[@marguskiis7711]

Joy Division -- one of the most influential band ever,

[@nashf5925]

I wished Alan would have got into soundtrack compositions, he would ace it!!!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Absolutely !! V:-)

[@markusdaxamouli5196]

Agreed..and he still can. I get the feeling hes still fielding his wild oats and doing all he wanted. Hopefully he will land on something that reveals the Sounds that I grew up loving..like a personal soundtrack. Hes so tallented i just want his happyness

[@ValeryBoikov]

Thanks for the video! I think I'm from those who appreciate both eras, especially because I've become a fan long since Alan left. Speaking of him, at least we now live in an age when an artist doesn't have to die to be appreciated, as many painters, composers etc before him. So he's still with us. Maybe he just needs some time to regroup and figure out his life. I guess it is not an easy thing to do when you are a middle-aged man. I'm still in my 20's and haven't figured it out. So let's not lose hope that Alan finds a way to use his talent in music industry. But even if not - we still have his legacy. It's more than most of us will ever achieve. P.S. Alan as DM producer would be an awesome move - that's what he basically did during his time in a band, as far as I understand. Guys just need to talk...

[@VaughnGeorge]

Valery hello again and I always love hearing for you!! SO TRUE what you said , '" at least we now live in an age when an artist doesn't have to die to be appreciated". That is a brilliant insight!! Thanks again!! V:-)

[@MattiasEliasson74]

Alan should do production videos. That would be freakin awesome.

[@Cl4rendon]

I can`t wait until you go into the albums - This will be a very interesting exchange.

[@awildermode]

Holy shit! Imagine a movie directed by Anton Corbijn, with score composed by Alan Wilder

[@VaughnGeorge]

Great idea!! V:-)

[@niebuhrsongs]

@@VaughnGeorge I'm thinking he should do the next Blade Runner installment.

[@nashf5925]

Take my $$$

[@ninawildr4207]

niebuhrsongs that was my fantasy...for sooooooo many years😫

[@leahmcconnell9685]

@@nashf5925 Haha! For that, PLEASE take my money!

[@sunilsolanki]

Alan is my synth inspiration. And I'm sure literally millions of people around the world have gotten into music because of him. If he did a really techie, behind the scenes, Patreon page... Dream come true. Everyone wins.

[@VaughnGeorge]

I am glad you agree!! V:)

[@alexismccourt7712]

when Alan wilder was in the band he produced depeche, he put the melody in there over all sound

[@alexwestconsulting]

debatable. Listen to some of gore's demos. Here's clean for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaOWfnWqjcSXgMU Wilder's/Flood's production is spot on, but the melodies were already there. It's certainly possible that Wilder had some input into this demo, though I doubt it.

[@andredaubney9966]

Yes he was underated .but Martin wrote the magic ,Dave sang it .And Fletch hmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmm yeh

[@rbrtck]

@@alexwestconsulting I'm not talking about your example here, but many of the demos on KZbin aren't actually demos but early mixes of the finished songs, which include Alan's work. How to tell? Well, for one thing, if Dave is singing them, then it's definitely *not* a demo. As for what Alan did, he primarily arranged and orchestrated DM's songs, which in some cases means that he made more of the music than Martin did. Martin writes nearly all of the melodies and the basic chord progressions, but Alan adds things like counterpoint and other harmonies, as well as atmosphere and groove--he greatly enriched DM's music and gave it depth. Vince Clarke, who is underrated by many DM fans, is actually also very good at harmonies, grooves, and giving music a sort of "tension" that engages the listener--he and Alan were far better at these things than any producer DM have worked with, and everyone is better at this than Martin. Alan once pointed out that Martin never took songs farther than the demo stage, even finished songs that Martin arranged and produced himself. I think he was speaking about Martin's solo _Counterfeit_ EP, but the same principle applies to DM's _A Broken Frame_ (made without Alan or Vince) and the Spanish Taster version of "To Have and to Hold", which Martin made because he didn't like what Alan did with the song. Clearly Martin only has a very basic interest in, if not sense or grasp of, music. He's a great songwriter (and is pretty good at creating sounds with synths), but beyond the bare basics, he's got nothing. Dave made some interesting and illuminating comments on this subject in the following interview: www.electrogarden.com/forum/showthread.php/8482-Depeche-Mode-disintegrating-(interview-with-Dave-Gahan)

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@rbrtck "Well, for one thing, if Dave is singing them, then it's definitely not a demo". This isn't so. Almost all DM demos are Gore only, but an early mix is exacty that: same instrumentaion, different mix, otherwise it's a demo, not that lot's of people don't erroneously call early mixes a demo. This is a demo w Dave On Vocals: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bV65pXiNjNCSock Admittedly there aren't many examples. Anyway, the statement I responded to was "when Alan wilder was in the band he produced depeche, he put the melody in there over all sound" which isn't true on the face of it: Wilder put in SOME of the melodies, not THE melody...and many of the counter melodies are Gore as well. I didn't state anything to counter that WIlder did much of the arrangements (which I consider the writing). Very cleary Wilder's demos are closer to finished DM product than Gore's: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paa6poWIapWVhbc

[@miqueasvalentinhernandez3998]

Why people laugh on Fletcher?

[@AlanAndalon]

Alan Wilder is a GOD of Synth and composing, up there with Giorgio Moroder and Daft Punk. Vastly superior to Trent Reznor

[@BiserAngelov1]

I totally agree. Except the last sentence about Trent. A collaboration between Alan and Trent would be something out of this world.

[@video2000_TV]

don't overdo it man, he just shone in comparisons to the lazy bastards in DM

[@DxModel219]

vcr_nostalgia 77 - 88 lol i wouldn’t call them lazy... high and drunk maybe but not lazy HAH

[@nacheva4193]

My first DM Songg was enjoy the silence,as teenager, and had the same journey on their 80 albums and become a hardcore fan. It was almost a drama for me when Alan left, and if he was to create a patreon i would pay. Love your vídeos!!!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Thank you so much and much love to you!! V:-)

[@alekseilemazhikhin9922]

Happy birthday Mr.Wilder!

[@joanzensillystuff2285]

I couldn't agree more. We need more Alan's music, of course. Congrats for your videos. I love them.

[@VaughnGeorge]

JOAN ZEN SILLY STUFFS thank you so much !!V😎👍

[@yohnyutah2535]

Thanks for the video, and as you said, Dave Martín And Fletch should see all the coments arround Alan and at least know how important Alan is for the fans comunity and how many people miss him in dm or alone.

[@djfelifel420]

It's great you mentioned Alan doing music for films because I've always thought he would do amazing at that!

[@nashf5925]

I miss the band's specialization and division of labour. Martin - songwriter, Alan - production, Dave - singer, Fletch - business

[@CornholioDK]

Fletch - business AND live claping

[@nashf5925]

@@CornholioDK everything counts!

[@coolhive2941]

My biggest problem with their output from Exciter on, is that they lost their ability to write hooks. I used to devour each album and loved most album tracks prior to Exciter, but since then I can only find 2-3 tracks I love on each album. So for me, they are definitely worse off.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hooks are fewer these days !! you are right!! V:-)

[@louisj2256]

Don't you think that's music in general these days tho. I can't really think of any songs from 2010s that have a catchy instrumental melody, it's all about beats

[@coolhive2941]

Louis J I don’t necessarily agree. Lady Gaga’s first four albums were a synth delight with hooks galore. GALORE. but she is the exception, so you gotta find them where you can!

[@mck7646]

@@coolhive2941 Lady Gaga? No thanks.

[@rbrtck]

To be honest, that wasn't an Alan thing, that would be a Martin thing.

[@chrislysiak9561]

Alan was not only about the production sound. It was every single note he played. The sophisticated counterpoints and rhythmic patterns. If Alan only produced DM, it would not be the same. He needs to put his mighty fingers on the keys!

[@rafsikorski]

Who gave a bloody Enjoy teh silence what it is on Violator??? Al did- Dave cocky prick!

[@Anne_Ty]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Team A myself - I still love them, I just feel like they were more my cup of tea with Alan. Alan mentioned in an interview that he had started the Recoil project to explore other musical avenues. Miracles happen and he may return to DM one way or another.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Anne Ty hello again And welcome to camp A!!👍😎V

[@Anne_Ty]

@@VaughnGeorge Love your channel. Keep it up. I watched the clip about OMD as well. I know you focus on the musical aspect, and I like their music, but I just cannot be inspired by their lyrics. Are you willing to share your thoughts on the music of The Cure, Talk Talk, Duran Duran?

[@VaughnGeorge]

@@Anne_Ty Hi!! Yes definitely Talk Talk and Duran Duran!! V:-)

[@Anne_Ty]

@@VaughnGeorge That's great! Looking forward to it.

[@HarryMcW]

My own thoughts are that when Alan did the appearance in 2010 when he did piano for "Somebody" it may have been in some way a test of some sorts, to see if there was some possibility of reapproachment, and the very next year he auctioned his equipment which to me says that that attempt failed.

[@VaughnGeorge]

I think you're right Harry !! V:-)

[@filipfilip5428]

Yep.

[@marccartledge2752]

Another great video mate very thought provoking

[@VaughnGeorge]

Marc you are so welcome !! Thank you V:-)

[@syracusemusic1539]

Alan would defo love doing the production side of things, if the opportunity presented itself. Cause like you said touring is not his thing anymore. It’s a shame he is not doing music anymore.

[@leejay2418]

Great content Vaughn! It hurts to hear that Alan has left the industry and has had financial problems.

[@wjec1970]

I just wanted to say you have an awesome channel here, and your manner is exactly as if we were in a room with you, talking. That's really nice when some presenters seem like they're shouting at you... Anyway here's my contribution - I'm still a huge fan of the band, and every now and again they produce something that gets right into my soul, even though I think some filler has definitely crept in recently. I used to think Depeche couldn't do that kind of thing but even they now have tracks that wouldn't have passed through in days gone by. Maybe if Alan was still part of the band it'd be different, I don't know for sure. On the subject of Alan - I think, with his sonic influence, and dare I say it his musical training, the sound of DM became perfect for Martin's songs, even though at the very beginning they were very analogue and monophonic orientated. The advent of the rapid changes in music tech, and Alan's willingness to get into this new gear, kind of spurred on by Daniel Miller, meant that there were many more textures to play with, especially their pioneering sampling work. When we got to SOFAD I felt it was going EXACTLY where DM needed to go, that they loosened up their rules, brought in drums, guitars and backing vocals where necessary. I can't tell you how much I love that album, both the songs and the production, even though they were falling to pieces as far as their personal relationships to each other. Once he'd left they needed to replace what Alan brought to the band, so Tim Simenon and his team came on board and I think Ultra does kind of continue that sound. A few years later the "Alan" sound morphed into that dirty-analogue, valve-driven sound that they seem to have pretty much stuck with since PTA, give or take a few variations. If you A-B compare the two approaches you hear just how different it all is. I'll be honest, on the recording side I much prefer the Alan era - the perfect blend of synths, sampling and weird processing, with dirt and weight when required, but always a "hi-fi" quality to it, a lush, beautiful quality. That's gone, to me, and I miss it. There are still times Gore, and Gahan sometimes, write an absolute cracker that gets me - Heaven is absolutely gorgeous to me. Suffer Well totally works too, and so on, but sonically they're not always getting there as much as they used to. I do wish Alan was still around, and in charge of the overall sound but I can fully understand why he'd had enough. Still, they are my favourite band and my biggest influence, and I can't see that changing. It's so nice to find a person like you on here, who seems very passionate about it all and does a channel like this. Vaughan you get a big thumbs-up from me, thanks a lot!

[@Nephilim-81]

What an incredible video. Great breakdown and creation for more potential discussions that critically examine da Mode! 😀 And yeah. I’m a Camp A. I can seriously deduce that DM we’re in their strongest prime from 1987 (music for the masses) to 1993 ( songs of faith & Devotion.) AW is just such a huge cog in the wheel....or the man behind the wheel. :) lol. I mean 93’s Faith and Devotion was really their very last super strong album. You have to admit that truthfully and it isn’t because of how the music industry is different judging by physical media sales.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Nephilim 81 thank you for your kind words and a well written post !! V😎👍

[@Nephilim-81]

My pleasure, Vaughn. I really appreciate what you are doing. :)

[@VaughnGeorge]

Nephilim 81 lots of love to you my friend !! 👍😎V

[@fernandocabezas6777]

Hello! Thanks for talking about my favorite band of all time. Greeting from Peru

[@VaughnGeorge]

Fernando my friend thank you!! V:-)

[@rickblasing1237]

Alan's remix of In Chains, from SOTU, is a prime example of WHY he should produce their next album. I believe you mentioned this in one of your previous videos.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Thats right Rick !! I did mention it!! I am glad you agree!! V:-)

[@andredaubney9966]

@@VaughnGeorge let's get Alan wider back please

[@andredaubney9966]

Love ur chats pal ur brilliant

[@andredaubney9966]

Please give me a shout out .I very loved Depeche mode since a kid I'm 46 now.my 28 year old son can sing can sing most there songs and my daughter,not so much keen as my son but love to ur channel.Very enjoyable

[@srfnma6813]

It was more than 10 years ago, Alan has totally disappeared by now....

[@Kornhaus]

Happy Birthday Alan! The idea about patreon (or something similar) is a good one and I'm IN :-) I'm just not sure if it's really (just) about money.. But I always tell myself: If I win the lottery I'm going to support Alan in doing a new Recoil record. Thanks for the video and have a great weekend!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Thank you my friend and have a great weekend too!! V:-)

[@alexandermalexander9268]

The part about being biased is so true! I grew up with Playing The Angel, it's kinda my first memory of music so there's that personal connection, and Alan is still my favourite.

[@louisj2256]

Oh hell yeah same, before PTA I actually thought I didn't like music. It turned me on

[@louisj2256]

*switched me on it also turned me on

[@Dave.S.Cramer]

Yes, absolutely. I would also contribute to Alan if he ever set up a Patreon or Pledge as well. I hope he sees your video. I really look forward to your next Alan Wilder video. Keep 'em coming!

[@louisj2256]

"The channel where we discuss everything to do with synthesizers and musical instruments" -80% of content is talking about Depeche mode Seems about right

[@VaughnGeorge]

LOL!! DM OVERLOAD !! V:-)

[@michaelwilson2340]

Louis J Sort of like Eddie Trunk talking about Kiss all the time. Ha!

[@pgs_718]

80% whining about how they are not as good since Alan left over 20 years ago more like.

[@andredaubney9966]

@@pgs_718 b

[@andredaubney9966]

Bro love Depeche mode but things have changed .ultra was a fantastic bounce back album ,I listen to it most nights get sleep.theres only 2 /3 songs good on new album.thre older stuff was excellent.But still a massive fan .much regards

[@musiclove4635]

What got me to love Depeche Mode was the complexity Alan brought and how the atmosphere, layers and textures that sculpted their sound. I agree, if Alan came back to produce their future albums. Actually, Peter and Christian aren't true members if the band. They only tour with them.

[@KN510]

What hooked me in was People Are People.

[@VaughnGeorge]

@@KN510 so many great songs!! V:-)

[@jamesdavis8945]

Love the channel. Your camp designations are pretty spot on. I was a teenager in the 80's and remember DM pre-popularity. With that.. I am probably in Camp B 2.0 or a Hybrid. My favorite era being from "A Broken Frame" to "Violator". I don't discount the albums after Violator but they never really felt like DM to me. If asked by someone that had never heard DM what albums would I suggest to start their journey........ They would be Some Great Reward and Music for the Masses. Alan added depth and complexity to DM that has long since decayed post his departure.

[@fraancetate8759]

Excellent channel,very informative and persuasive arguments

[@VaughnGeorge]

Thank you so much !! V:-)

[@andreaskarlsson7756]

Great video as always. May we see some videos about Kraftwerk in the near future?

[@VaughnGeorge]

Andreas hi!! Kraftwerk videos coming soon!! V:-)

[@LAjudge09]

I couldn't agree more...He is way to talented not be expressing himself, and giving us something to enjoy. Btw..I love this channel. Thank you.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Horacio Rodriguez thank you sir!! 😎👍V

[@Cookie_DDD]

So glad you reflected more on Exciter and found some appreciation. I still find DM amazing with or without Alan. We are sooooo incredibly lucky to still have them making music, touring, etc. I’m In the “D” category. I look forward to new directions and changes.

[@daveschrdinger]

At the 1st of June (this Saturday) Alan Wilder will be the first man from DM who reached up for 60 years old!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Oh wow!! V:-)

[@daveschrdinger]

And... YES! If Alan wants, he can write some themes for a motion picture or produce some records for another bands. The Cure, for example, who still didn't release albums more than 10 years.

[@leahmcconnell9685]

I always think of him around this time because my bday is the next day. It's a big one for him. And it's kind of an end of an era. The rest are just a couple of years behind him so I wonder how long they'll still want to do this (especially the touring).

[@lukespade4727]

I recently bought the DM back catalogue with the 5.1 mixes and I have to say that I appreciate the latter albums pass Exciter. You are right, the Exciter project in many ways had to be made that way especially after the Ultra project which took ages and I think Martin was definitely drained from an artistic perspective. Keep up the good work with the channel, I’m looking forward to the videos featuring the production side of their albums. Peace

[@VaughnGeorge]

Luke atet you so much matey!! V:-)

[@alexandrujelev]

Very strange what's happening to Alan, the way he faded out. Everyone was excited when he toured, and did all those interviews, joined the band for that one song he did with Martin etc. He was pretty much back in the spotlight. Then he auctioned his stuff and fell off the face of the world so to speak. I asked Daniel Miller about him in September 2017, and apparently he was just focused on his new born. But he's been not to be heard from for 6-7 years already - and I doubt he is operating under some pseudonym. And I also doubt that he has started some regular office job in some company. We need his music. Speaking as a big DM fan who still loves the band these days (been to 17 shows on their last tour), but also his Recoil music (highly underrated)

[@VaughnGeorge]

Thank you for your inside info on the subject and its good to have you on board !! V:-)

[@Chevytravelleruk]

Alan became increasingly disillusioned with the way the music business was heading.. Downloads and people expecting music for "free".. It's no wonder there is little in the way of enticement for him to return to the music.. Combine that with the birth of his daughter, Clara in 2012 gave him the opportunity to enjoy being a full-time daddy... Although being an enormous talent, he's also a human being and as such probably enjoying having a relatively normal life again..

[@rbrtck]

@@Chevytravelleruk Yeah, Alan doesn't seem to like the music business (no one does, but he really seems to despise it), and has probably found another more compelling calling in his life. He said that something "broke" inside of him during the whole SOFAD/Devotional ordeal, so maybe he's just sick and tired of many aspects of making and performing music. I bet he still does, but more for his own enjoyment rather than as a public act. We've seen this sort of thing before, and those involved always have their own reasons that often they don't entirely understand themselves, let alone others. People are getting a bit weirded out by Alan's disappearing act of late, but maybe he has simply decided that he prefers to be anonymous and live as normal a life as he can from now on. To take another example, there is Linn Berggren, the blonde singer of Ace of Base. Whether you liked them or not, few who are old enough wouldn't remember her, right? Their first album sold 30 million copies! At some point after just a few years, Linn became disillusioned with the industry and grew sick and tired of it all. She eventually disappeared from public view entirely without a word, and fans to this day wonder what happened. She definitely had her reasons--many more than the ones I just mentioned--but mainly she was just happier being an anonymous nobody living a normal life, and if I had to guess, Alan seems to have come to the same conclusion. Maybe he'll change his mind someday, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't know whether this is really telling, but he didn't have a large collection of synths to begin with, and he even sold his Minimoog--this was the first synth he had ever bought, and he's owned it since before he joined DM. He didn't sell everything, but he sure gave the impression of someone who was moving on.

[@musiclove4635]

Technically speaking Peter and Christian aren't official members of Depeche Mode. No one can replace Alan Wilder and I'm glad they never did.

[@thebestoffools]

In 1987, a friend of mine gave me a cassette tape with Black Celebration on Side A and Music for the Masses on Side B. From that moment I was hooked on DM. I must've listened to that tape a thousand times if not more. I saw them for the first time live in June the next year for their MFTM Tour, then twice on their World Violation Tour and all their other tours up to Sounds of the Universe. DM is my alltime favorite band. No boubt. DM 4ever. DM🌹

[@azatamanov6097]

I totally agree with you about stopping make fun of Fletch! Guys, really stop it! You think it's easy to play live on turned-off synth? Or hardly push a random key to produce a already tape recorded sample or arranged riff? Think of it and make conclusions about your behaviour!

[@rbrtck]

Yes, Fletch is amazing. I have never seen anyone else play all those (non-broken) chords on a monophonic synth like he did early on. Only cosmically-great musicians can exceed the hardware specifications of their instruments like that. Then I noticed that he can play synths even when they're unplugged! I think the sound must emanate from his soul. Or maybe I'm not hearing the music with my ears at all--maybe it's transferred telepathically from Fletch straight into my head! Whoa...mind...blown....

[@rswpt]

A great episode as always, love the channel, and for me before was far better (with alan) than what is now, and specially this last album was quite bad im sad to say. About Alan watching this, well i know that at least one of your subscribers is friends with him for many years now, so maybe he tells him to come watch your video and listen to your idea.

[@orgelspielen]

Alan Wilder producing the next Depeche Mode album? What a fantastic idea! Could you imagine the possibilities? I could.

[@shadowfreak71972]

I'd like to propose a "Camp E" One in which I think I'd be included: This is the camp which, like you, pre-ordered DM albums without even listening to it. If we heard that there was a new album on its way out, we checked the record stores (websites now, in the 21st Century) constantly, waiting for the album to be available so we could scream, "TAKE MY MONEY!" and get on the list to be one of the first to receive and listen to the next batch of DM ecstacy... Until Alan left. Now we're just more critical. We have to be because, while there are some VERY good songs still left in Martin and we LOVE listening to Depeche Mode, it just isn't a "given" anymore, that every single song is going to have a special place in our hearts for the rest of our lives. I think "Should be Higher" is awesome! I've repeatedly listened to just that one song for an hour straight! But the rest of the Album has its flaws. Some are better than others, but there are some that I just skip over. I don't even know the names of any of them, off of the top of my head! But if you played just the first three notes of "Something to Do" right now, I will sing every. single. song. from "Some Great Reward" verbatim, without missing a beat. If you'd like I'll even dress up and lip-sync it for you and you'll have a hard time of distinguishing whether I'm singing it because I won't miss a word or a beat. We're just more critical now, I think. It's not that we have some sort of crush on Alan, nor is it nostalgia that is pulling us back to a bygone era. I totally relate to what you're saying and I get the James Bond analogy, by the way. But this isn't that. It's just that the production quality has changed and we're not as confident, anymore that every single song on their new records is going to be worth the money and so now we just no-longer pre-order and will, instead remain satisfied with Spotify and Amazon Music.

[@user-tb5ns7hc5i]

DM became a different band for me after Violator. Dave was clearly struggling with voice issues and this I firmly believe might have been the root of all the troubles that began right at that same time for the band. Just like how they were a completely different sound/band before and after Vince left - If he had stayed DM would have sounded a lot like Erasure I am sure. Anybody who thinks DM became crap though... Go watch their complete live performance in the Letterman theatre in NY for their Delta Machine tour. DM is not as prolific as they once were and their hits are now rare and fleeting, but every new album still has one or two brilliant original songs on it that most other new bands still can’t touch. They’re 60 years old. They’ve slowed down. But they’re not broken, and far wiser and evolved with age. Martin is still a genius. I think Alan went out on top though, and that was his plan. He saw the writing on the wall. Violator was a sheer adrenalin miracle riding the wild success of the band’s previous very high water mark at the Cali, Pasadena show. Lightning rarely strikes twice... It was pretty obvious to Alan what the future held and it would be a slow painful downhill progression. I sure hope Alan is getting a very equal and fair share of royalties though for every song/album/tour he contributed/produced content on, because DM never would have been famous or reached the level of success they did without his magical touch and musicianship.

[@leahmcconnell9685]

Absolutely agree.

[@rbrtck]

I don't think that DM would have sounded like Erasure if Vince had stuck around. Vince is a good collaborator, and just like Alison Moyet influenced his work for Yazoo, Andy Bell influences his work for Erasure, all of which sound nothing like each other or DM's first album (I can tell they're all Vince's work, but they don't sound the same, otherwise). Had Martin started to seriously write songs earlier and Vince stayed with the band, then we wouldn't have ended up with the same definitive DM sound, but something different and also unique. Maybe they would have sounded like a more developed version of "Ice Machine" or "Puppets", two of Vince's darker songs, or "Tora! Tora! Tora!" which was written by Martin and arranged by Vince. Vince has some of the same skills as Alan in the studio (stronger in some ways and weaker in others), including greater musical depth than the vast majority of producers can provide, and over the course of the career he actually had, he's done many styles of music and has made a number songs that people wouldn't stereotypically consider sounding like Erasure. DM themselves were influenced by others such as producer Gareth Jones who introduced them to samplers and a more industrial sound than they had before or after that era. The bottom line is that nothing happens in a vacuum, and it's impossible to predict what would have happened musically.

[@junebaby166]

I don't agree that it was Alan's plan to leave after Violator because he feared "it would be a slow and painful downhill progression" as you put it. I think that Alan was convinced that there was still room for improvement which is what he said in several interviews. Without wanting to sound patronising I recommend you watch the documentary about the making of "Songs of Faith and Devotion" from 2006 when the album was re-released. Be warned though, it's heartbreaking if you're an Alan fan.

[@fraancetate8759]

Happy Birthday Alan Wilder

[@greckendale]

Thanks again mate, hey could you please do a FULL video on your interaction with Martin in the music shop?! Every syllable spoken! Would be fascinating, cheers

[@ninawildr4207]

Yes lol every syllable!

[@VaughnGeorge]

@@ninawildr4207 Will do!!!

[@VaughnGeorge]

I promise bro!! V:-)

[@acerimmer7557]

What about Alan producing the next Dave G solo album? Or a project DGAW. If Martin and Vince can do it then why not? Food for thought!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Great idea!! V:-)

[@kowa1-everellphotographic306]

perhaps Alan should speak to mr numann now theres a combination, recoil has so much potential but alan wasn't making much from the project little disillusioned with the industry but for me the way he uses sound to shape the atmosphere is where his talent lies just outstanding

[@VaughnGeorge]

@@kowa1-everellphotographic306 That would be a great idea!! It will give Ade Fenton a break too!! V:-)

[@kowa1-everellphotographic306]

@@VaughnGeorge yep feel the last album sounded so similar to splinter,same sounds and song arrangements still good though

[@leahmcconnell9685]

Would love DGAW!

[@mumzycat1969]

I like many miss Alan. Here’s my dream........ don’t “rehire” Alan as a permanent member, but do a 40th anniversary tour. Keep the new members, but have Alan back and playing songs he was originally part of. I think even a guest appearance by Vince Clarke for the original album. I would love to see one huge ultimate tour before too much time passes and they can’t tour. I would be first in line for tickets. A girl can dream.

[@sethmatthews7394]

I'm 21. Exiter has songs on it that I grew up with because my mom always played them. Not my favorite dm album, but has some very pretty songs on it that I still go back and listen to regularly. I remember ULTRA really standing out to me as a kid, even though it came out before I was born. Still my favorite album. Violator and SOFAD are 2nd and 3rd for me.

[@wojteksmigielski4049]

Hi.Regards from Poland.What you think about Ultravox?

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hello there my Polish friend, I will discuss Ultravox too!! V:-)

[@wojteksmigielski4049]

@@VaughnGeorge Great i love them only a little less, like DM.Thank you for great job ,on you channel.

[@leahmcconnell9685]

Like the early Ultravox.

[@grimlund]

Alan producing the next Depeche-album. Thats a great idea. Thats how fare we can go I think. Alan would never go back to be a member in the band. Wishing that is an utopia I think. But if Martin asked him if he wants to help them with their new album im convinced Alan would say yes. And tomorrow Alan turns 60. Its almost unimaginable to think that this old girl-idol is almost a pensioner now.

[@rbrtck]

Anything is possible. Martin, who infamously hates to collaborate, recently collaborated with Vince Clarke on a techno album as VCMG, and has written at least one song with Dave.

[@ukacancek]

I'd like to speak out to this one more time and I gotta say that even though I'm one of the "younger fans" (17 yo), I also think that the albums from the 80s and 90s were better than the ones released more recently. I'm not saying they're necessarily bad, but in my case, it took me a longer time to really get into them and to start liking the sound (just like you explained with Exciter). I am glad I found a way to enjoy them, but I still play them very rarely. My dad however, who is a hardcore fan from the early 80s, cannot stand the new sound and likes just a very few of the more recent songs. It's really interesting to see the differences between people's opinions! Loved the vid btw

[@VaughnGeorge]

Katie K!! Thank you for your kind words and I am happy to hear so many younger fans have joined the channel! V:-)

[@joewatchesmovies5559]

Vaughn! Joe here. I am so happy to hear that you have grown more of a liking for Exciter. I have done the same. I like to describe the album as bright and refreshing. It is a solid album with all great tracks. Also, I heard you mention Oasis and how their music never progressed...going off of that, do you have any opinion on Blur and their discography? They are one of my favorite bands.

[@OlegPankoff]

Excuse my hand, George, but Sir Alan Charles Wilder actually was the Depeche Mode prodcer (alltogether with being the DM musician), so if he returns in this guise, it will perfectly realize the dream of my compatriote you were talking about, and mine, as well, and, I believe, of a lot of people, who is watching Your wonderful videos. Keep going ! ;-)

[@jonathancarter1826]

Fantastic channel! Keep it up, you should consider doing a live q & A’s and open forum event in London. Then We could talk and debate all night.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Jonathan!! Its funny you should say that but it is on the cards!! V;-)

[@leahmcconnell9685]

@@VaughnGeorge Just don't forget your peeps across the pond!

[@jonathancarter1826]

I’ll be there, can I reserve my tickets now ?👌

[@dawnwhalley3789]

Love this channel x

[@VaughnGeorge]

Dawn lots of love to you too!! Thank you V;-) xx

[@tompogson9755]

Beyond Alan's amazing talent, I think what was great about it was that, like Dave said in his K-Rock L.A. interview was that they were a "gang" back then. Post Wilder it's them with studio players. Nothing wrong with those players but they weren't actually part of the group.

[@msmolyansky]

Guys keep in mind, Alan is 60 yrs old. He was born when Churchill was around and still smoking his favorite cigars . It takes a beating for someone at that age to be on tour and spend stressful hours in production . Even Paul Oakenfold probably already knows that young people won’t want to see an old guy spinning records .... even Dave said in one of his interviews that it takes a toll on his body now and he goes to the hotel room and just falls asleep after the concert . I strongly feel that DM will only produce one more album ...

[@VaughnGeorge]

well said Mike!! V:-)

[@RedlineRacer]

Another great video! I am a 20 year old devotee so PtA was really the first album I was introduced to, but in my opinion I still believe that Violator, SoFaD, and Black Celebration are still better. In my opinion all the post-Wilder albums are below average EXCEPT for Ultra and PtA. So I guess I may be o e of the youngest members in “camp A”.

[@SiSi-xg1hk]

Just turned 30 & PtA was my first album as well (even have "Nothing's Impossible" on my back). I agree with you on many points for sure. Like Sounds of the Universe was kinda forgettable, save for the single "Wrong" + "In Chains" & "Corrupt"...though I do enjoy listening to the current Spirit Album.

[@joranvandoorn3817]

Hey Vaughn, big fan of your videos. I'd love to see you make one talking about Devotional!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Joran hi !! Yes , will do a Devotional Special!! V:-)

[@joranvandoorn3817]

Awesome! looking forward to it.

[@englishpotato0w099]

This video has actually made so much sense to me I completely agree with what has been said also im in camp A because yes I love Alan and the contributions he brought to depeche mode but I still love the band no matter what but the way i see it is that its all up to what Alan wants after all yea it would be so amazing for him to return id never stop smiling but its his life the only reason I have noticed as to changes since he left is that they seem very sad even if its just from their faces or how they sound when performing and to me it feel as though they have lost part of themselves and have this empty kind of void that was where alan was but no matter who they accept into the band its still shows on their faces as a huge loss but thats just my interpretation but anyhows LOVED this video!

[@ninawildr4207]

Wooowhooooo! Yay bonus video!

[@ninawildr4207]

And on one of my favorite persons in the world! Alaaaan!

[@VaughnGeorge]

@@ninawildr4207 Glad to make your day !! V:-)

[@201950201950]

Brilliant video thank!

[@jmcruzvazquez]

DM after Alan has been pretty much ‘Useless’, to keep purchasing their music and attending their shows -saw them first in 1987, when I was 14- is because of mere loyalty, nothing else. I’m still hopeful of his return, it would be some kind of a rebirth of the band.

[@kristiancornell5368]

Thank you for those videos, I really like this channel. im a big DM-fan too. I agree to what many people are saying that we look forward to the episodes for each almum. For me, the video Im looking forward to most in all of KZbin, is the episode/video about Ultra. My personal preference is that im not that much of a fan of SOFAD. I think Violator is their best of course, but second best in my opinion is Ultra. I absolutely love it. And i would love to hear your opinion also of Daves live-vocals on the two live songs on the deluxe-version. I think that voice is so good. Even if its without Wilder, i think its their second strongest album.

[@tudoracid1812]

Really enjoying these videos :-) Please can you do a video about Alan Wilder's recoil project? It's a project that REALLY gets going after Songs of Faith and Devotion with the 1997 Unsound Methods album. it's basically an alternative sequel to SOFAD, and the way he puts Hildia Campbell frontstage on Red River Cargo is fantastic. I also love "Last Breath" which really makes you reflect on the struggles of the natural world. One of Alan's finest moments is the melancholic wolf sound in that track "The animals cry because they're hungry."

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hello my friend!! I will certainly be speaking about Recoil!! I promise !! V:-)

[@mysteriousstrangerr]

Will you make a video where you talk about when you met martin? I can't wait

[@VaughnGeorge]

I certainly will !! V:-)

[@MrDeNnalol]

I'm 20 and have listened to DM since I was 18, shortly after Spirit released. My favorite albums are the once from "Some Great Reward" to "Ultra", masterpieces imo. I rarely listen to their newer stuff, except for "Playing the Angel".

[@VaughnGeorge]

Dennis Thorsson hello mate !! Thank you for your comment !! As a younger fan I am always interested in Your opinions as I feel that you younger fans are less biased to the older stuff!! Very Interesting!! Thank you 👍😎V

[@MrDeNnalol]

@@VaughnGeorgeThank you for this channel! To be fair though, I have to add that I rarely listen to anything before Some Great Reward as well. I may even like their newer stuff more compared to their oldest (before Some Great Reward I mean), with some exceptions ofcourse.

[@Blackhawk556.]

If they can’t get Alan back in the studio, why haven’t they tried to get Flood back in the studio after all these years??

[@VaughnGeorge]

That's a good question!! V:-)

[@ericfan20987]

Flood did worked again with Depeche Mode. He was responsible for the mixing process of their album Delta Machine.

[@wheelerone]

Agree with you’re points made about Alan regarding music. He does seem to have lost interest but I’m sure he’s aware how fans today appreciate his work. Would be great if he starting back into music perhaps producing Depeche Modes next album. A huge miss to the music industry. C’mon Alan don’t waste your talent you have!

[@Lofote]

07:00 Actually neither Christian nor Peter were ever part of the band, they are only part of the live band. Such like Chester Thompson never was part of Genesis, but is a permanent part of the live concerts.

[@ash23neuro]

That's right but Gordeno and Eigner co-wrote a couple of songs with Gahan.

[@glezpik]

Today I listened again the Alan Wilder´s "Remix" of In Chains. It´s not a regular Remix, it´s a re-interpretation of the song, a totally new approach to the lyrics and the atmosphere. I know that such collaboration has a meaning: Look, this is just the way DM would ever be.

[@heloisearmes3924]

Fan since 1983 and I too prefer music circa 80s and 90s. I do like their later stuff too, but it doesn't have that passionate conjuring of "so awesome" inside my heart that the older stuff had. I think it would be great if Alan Wilder produced a few songs as a side gig :-)

[@abrokenframe72]

Happy Birthday to Alan! :) Anyway-I’m with you on Ultra. It actually took me a long time to get into Ultra. This is going to garner a lot of gasps (😉) but I didn’t really care for SOFAD, and once Alan left I was really disappointed. Hearing the DJ read Alan’s “press release” felt like the end of an era, for the band as well as myself. So DM fell off my radar for a while, but I remained aware of what was happening. When I first heard the lead single ”Barrel of a Gun,” I didn’t care for it... kind of wrote off Ultra and didn’t buy it. I first heard Home and Useless when the singles collection came out. Heard them performed live and was blown away. After that, I listened to Ultra and was surprised to find that I thought it was good... and it’s really grown on me. Additionally-I really like Exciter, and I think I’m one of the five people who like Delta Machine 🤣 Plus, A Broken Frame is one of my top three DM albums, and that’s pre-Alan. Where does this all put me in the matrix? As you said, I think that if Alan he stayed in the band, we’d be complaining about something else. A band continually writing and producing the exact same kind of AMAZING music for 30 years straight is pretty much unheard of. Every talented musician evolves... and many evolve like Alan, getting more atmospheric. (I also think of people like Danny Elfman and Mark Mothersbaugh, who moved into composing movie scores.) It’s excellent music but it’s not... the same charge you get out of what was done in the original band. I’m reading Seymour Stein (head of Sire)’s autobiography, and he wrote something similar to what I think... that the music you hear when you’re 13 is what lays the template for what you like in the future. I’m just very fortunate that the Alan-filled Golden Era DM was my “template.” Anyway, I’ve nattered on long enough. Thanks again for all your videos.

[@VaughnGeorge]

And thank YOU for this brilliant post !! Enjoyed reading it!! V:-)

[@abrokenframe72]

Piano & Keyboard Artist you’re welcome! I don’t usually comment on KZbin videos, but I enjoy doing so here because of your engagement and the overall thoughtfulness of your viewers.

[@STcaramonM]

I agree with you Vaughn. Good insight (no pun!) on aging attitudes. I bought Black Celebration from Woolies in 1988 when I was a spotty teenager because I liked the cover and I was hooked. I saw them during World Violation, SOFAD tour, and 86-98 Tour, the 90's were incredible. I was THE FAN at the GMEX in December 93 to catch Dave's vest when he took it off and threw it. There were so many grabbing hands on it that my mate shouted PULL! And it got ripped into tiny pieces. I still have the piece behind a piece of glass. But Exciter was the last good DM album. Everything else since then has been pants. I was a massive fan and I still listen to their music but post 2001, I don't really bother and I'm not ashamed to say I never bought Spirit. Good videos. Looking very forward to Violator one. Cheers P.S. I'm between camp A and camp B because I loved Exciter and Ultra too.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Yeah i'm definitely Category A as well. When you really love a band you do respect their decisions and the situation of where everyone is going with and without the band. And about the possibility of Alan WIlder returning to DM, even if it would be only for a tour..... well.. It may happen.. it may not happen... I would still be always OK with Alan's decision because i just respect this man too much as a man and as an artist. But hey, you never know...... Since you mentioned James Bond before… "Never say never again" ;) Also -> favorite Bond(s): Roger Moore & Timothy Dalton.

[@longviewhysteria3232]

I found your channel through this video(and thusly subscribed), so here are my two cents, only more condensed this time because my previous comment was a bit of a clusterfuck: I got into DM quite recently, and I am 21 years of age, so I am completely detached by their "classic" era catalogue...but still can say that undoubtedly their best output was from '83-'93, so I probably am camp B with a bit of C: I rate Ultra and Playing the Angel high, not in the "Celebration/Violator/SOFAD" scale, but on the lower one for sure. However, after 2006, I fear that DM have slipped into a "safe mode" of sorts, where they are on their "we're doing dynamics, we're having guitars, and we're good to go!", as SOTU, DMachine and Spirit all sound the same-ish: long songs, quiet vocals, and the occasional Martin ballad thrown in. I agree with your opinions on the whole split thing, but by all accounts, AW had become a dictator on the studio with Flood as his second in command: Martin was, by all things, disillusioned with a lot of stuff and just wrote songs, Dave was shooting heroin and only rarely stepped into the studio, and Fletch had shown the first signs of his eventual depression and basically hated Alan for taking over "his band". After all that, Alan felt like he had final say in everything musical and brutally clashed with Martin(the final version of Judas was decided a few hours before mastering!), to the point where their relationship shattered irrepairably. I also agree with your "suggestions" to Alan: while he was clearly disillusioned with the state of the music industry, he was also quite open about his financial struggles around 2011 with his divorce pending and the whole auction was, as he bluntly put it "for the charity of Alan Wilder". With that in mind, and also stating the fact that Recoil records aren't exactly straight-to-#1 chart-toppers, so to speak, it seems clear to me that he just wanted to lead a normal life: he had done and seen everything, and there was no financial need for him to do any new records, so he quietly stepped out of the industry. And that's for the worse. He could also do a Patreon though: DM fans are quite passionate, and pretty much all their hardcore ones love Alan, he could do well in crowdfunding...but as I said, I don't think he wants to anymore. That's all from me, great video, looking forward to what you do next!

[@VaughnGeorge]

My friend thank you for this thoughtful and well written post !! I enjoyed reading your insights and as a younger person I am particularly interested in your perspective. Welcome to this channel and the community bud and I will catch you on another video soon!! V:-)

[@Atlasgdl27]

Do you have any plans on doing a video or a couple on Recoil? It would be interesting to hear what others have to say about Alan's solo material. It seems like not many people have dived into those records.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hello and thanks for your question!! YES, Recoil will be covered!! V:-)

[@simonward7653]

Woo-Hoo! Bonus video!

[@VaughnGeorge]

HELLLLLLOOOOO Simon!!! V:-)

[@michaelmeter4150]

The music changed drastically after he left. I guess I would be more old school DM, but I think how next level the music could be with Alan’s ability to bring a mood or feel to a song, mixed with love guitar and drums?!? As much as I would love him back, it will be a miracle if it happens. I hope that one day they can clear the past and any hurt feelings, and give us one last tour with these 4. Talk about EPIC

[@terrygregory631]

Alan is so talented - As probably similar age to you- I totally get what you say about music when you are a teenager etc. I think, as you say, Dave would have fought for Alan if he was in a position to Looking forward to the DM reviews mate Great channel thanks v I’m in camp A!

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hi Terry and thank you for your support mate!! V:-)

[@claudioortegar.8696]

Hi buddy, greetings from Chile. I am Claudio. Amazing youtube Channel, amazing videos. A like a lot Synth pop, maybe someday you can talk about Information society, Human league, Kraftwerk, new order, etc. Cheers.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Hello Claudio!! I will cover them soon!! V:-)

[@Chewy1015]

I've always said that as an album of music on its own, with good rhythms, melodies, lyrics, etc., that Exciter is not a bad album. But as a Depeche Mode album, and knowing what they're capable of (with or without Alan), it's not great. Having said that, I've become addicted to the song "Freelove." Gets stuck in my head all the time.

[@VaughnGeorge]

That is the best explanation of Exciter I have ever heard and it's an emanation I'd like to adopt!! V:-)

[@trueCinemaniac]

Strongly in Camp B. DM for me died when Alan left. Peak DM era for me was mid to late 80s, from Some Great Reward to Music For the Masses. RIP to my favorite band, but it is soul-less without Alan.

[@Audiorial]

I love DM in all period, with Vince, with Alan and without both too

[@nashf5925]

I like the James Bond analogy. For me, Exciter was like License to Kill w/ Tim Dalton. I grew up with Moore and didn't like how different it was, but I've learned to appreciate it over the years and respect how it was later influential, especially the LFO sounds and how LFO paid hommage to DM on their album. Exciter fits well for that time. I'm still convinced that Wilder's sounds and leftover ideas were used on Ultra.

[@VaughnGeorge]

Nash !! I love your Exciter vs Licence to Kill analogy!! Makes perfect sense!! V:-)