Vaults of Terra - (Horus Heresy) Burning of Prospero

[@EmptyMan000]

Poor Magnus. He lost so much and tried so hard to do the right thing, but in the end it didn't even matter. He was just another pawn of Tzeentch.

[@DocWolph]

"Just as I planned." -Tzeentch.

[@jackdugan5138]

Greeting, abominable daemon of the warp! (5 minutes later) Tzeentch: Guys! He took my collector's edition Magnus soul!

[@chavamara]

​@@jackdugan5138 Skulldad never had legal custody nor Magnus's best interests in mind, and parental child abduction is a grave offense in the immaterial court of law.

[@cringlator]

Reading A thousand sons book one: "the thousand sons are great they could do nothing wrong!" Book two: "the thousand sons did nothing wrong!" Book three: "oh god they're doing everything wrong!"

[@EmperorPrinc3]

I'm usually pro-loyalist when it comes to the heresy but I can't help but feel Magnus is the good guy here.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Well Magnus never really wanted to be a traitor in the first place anyways. Just that most people around him are dicks(and Tzeench played him like a fiddle too)

[@EmperorPrinc3]

***** same way Horus played Russ

[@hombreg1]

Blind loyalty vs good intentions but bad execution...both things the emperor did stand against.

[@lolman15953]

he was an idiot. I mean seriously if daddy said don't do something 7 times out of 10. He's got a point.

[@EmperorPrinc3]

LOLman Dad tells you not to smoke cigarettes but then dad goes and smokes cigarettea... Emperor tells magnus not to use his psychic powers... Then the Emperor proceeds to use his own psychic powers....

[@1975steelersfan]

Magnus is the only Primarch I can respect that turned to chaos

[@cacboy300]

No joke Thousand Sons and Magnus is the saddest story ever and the wolves were to stupid to never question why

[@Blazo_Djurovic]

It sure is a tragedy, but even Russ, the Emperor's executioner, under command from, what he believed to be, Emperor himself to kill Magnus and destroy Prospero tried negotiating. Unfortunatelly the guy he communicated with has already been turned by Chaos.

[@mepo7509]

I was disappointed with the Space Wolves in Prospero Burns. SPOILERS When the daemon takes the form of Amon they - and Malcador and Valdor - fall for it so Magnus is blamed... but not confronted. Then after they've finished with Prospero it reveals the plan but they don't think twice about what they've just done or how they've been played. Unless I missed something Space Wolves are just impulsive, arrogant idiots.

[@Manuelomar2001]

You missed alot. Did you even read the book? Leman Russ knew exactly what what happening. He didn't get played. The books' protagonist was also a spy from the Thousand Sons, which Russ turned against them. The Wolves also had an entire culture detailed in the book, along with lots of lore about how their own Psykers, the Rune Priests, work. Try actually reading the book this time instead of skimming a few chapters and then reading a synopsis online, which is what it sounds like you did.

[@mepo7509]

***** He knew that there was a spy. He thought he was a Thousand Sons spy like you just said. But he wasn't. A daemon was counting on this assumption to turn the Space Wolves against the Thousand Sons because together they would be able to defeat Horus. Russ believed this until the daemon revealed its plan to the spy - now loyal to the Space Wolves - after they destroyed Prospero. But we don't see any reflection on being played, or if Russ knew all along, any reflection on fighting the one loyal brother who could help save the Imperium from chaos. If I missed that part then kindly point it out. But by the sounds of it you missed the reveal. The rest of the book is about their culture and I didn't expect to like it because I'm not into noble savage Viking stuff. Still I read it and it's subjective so others will appreciate it better. It doesn't change the plot or the arrogant stupidity that guides the Space Wolves.

[@bradulovic82]

Magnus - Bad luck Brian of W40K.

[@Frosty4427]

Magnus didn't deserve any of this. He never had any bad intentions. Imagine how much better off the imperium would have been if he never feel to chaos. Its a shame. Prospero was a beautiful looking planet too.

[@quangcaodo8864]

Prospero was one of the best ones besides Terra along with Monarchia and Maccragge

[@Manuelomar2001]

Not having bad intentions doesn't excuse anything. He was irresponsible and reckless. All the Primarchs were, to a huge extent. They were just terrible leaders as both individuals and as a group, with a few exceptions like Gully and Dorn and Corax. The real fault is the Emperor, for being an arrogant, secretive idiot who hoarded information. He should have told his Sons about Chaos, about his plan, and shared much more information with Magnus than he did. But, of course, the Emperor really knew way less than he led people to believe. (He didn't build the Golden Throne, for example, he *found it* in the desert, a relic of a past age, and never fully understood how it worked or how to build more) Creating the Primarchs in general, though, was a terrible idea. Didn't he ever learn any lessons of history? Heaping authority and power onto super-generals, then making them compete for glory, has always been a fucking disaster every time anyone has done it. It destroyed Greece, destroyed Alexander's Empire, weakened Persia, and ultimately destroyed Rome.

[@IamBlackToast]

#ThousandSonsLivesMatter

[@romulusnuma116]

#Magnusdidnothingwrong

[@genetv2]

Magnus gave one of his eyes to one of the chaos gods to keep the flesh change at bay. And he could have tried to warn his father without destroying the web way by use of astropaths.

[@aeterna789]

#RedLivesMatter

[@petretti3537]

#Magnusdindunuffin

[@jamescarson677]

#ThousandSonsLivesMatter

[@NicholasTan092]

Now now let's not forget the hypocrisy of the wolves when Ahriman met the runepriest whilst meditation through the warp.

[@tincano-beans2114]

I wonder if the wolves could have won if it wasn't a completely one sided fight. the sons put a hurting on them with a fraction of their numbers and blindsided

[@Leivve]

I think they would have lost, but it would certainly have cost the wolves almost everything they had.

[@EnterTheFenix]

What you're failing to realize is that the writing of 40k lore is fucking atrocious and inconsistent - so no way to tell

[@Manuelomar2001]

The entire setting, characters, and story of 40k is fucking atrocious and inconsistent. The novels written by Dan Abnett (the only real, actual decent author among the GW bunch) being the only exception.

[@leakycheese]

Leman Russ turned out to be as genocidal as the worst of the traitors on Prospero..... Khorne must have seen his potential as a servant of the Skull Throne. Ed, great video, will you revisit Prospero this once Horus Heresy Book VII is released? Early release copies might be available in a few weeks at the 40K open weekend?

[@jamessmith-db2is]

when a prank goes too far

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Even with 40k standards this was ridiculously epic.

[@AkumuLyn]

Such a tragedy really.

[@thejudge4421]

as are all the fallen Primarchs stories the one that hurts the most is Fulgrim.

[@PedroIgori]

Really? Fulgrin is the least redeemable one, he knew what he was doing was wrong and he did it just for the hell of it anyways, most tragic by far are Magnus and Konra Curze

[@thejudge4421]

Fulgrim was since his rediscovery was granted such a great honor that he attempted to emulated his father's perfection and it drove him and his legion to damnation. I personally connect with him.

[@AkumuLyn]

that's not tragic at all...that's plain hubris.

[@chrisebz6473]

yeah, I don't find some of the fallen primarchs to be tragic. Magnus's story was tragic. Horus? maybe, he had some daddy issues. but some of the fallen primarchs knew quite well what they were doing and some of their reasons were literally stereotype "uh god mom/dad you don't understand meh" 13yr olds or I don't get along with brother x so they try to kill them.

[@grifos7962]

As soon as I finished reading "A Thousand Sons" these guys had become my favourite legion. And Ahriman one of my favourite characters, such a tragic history and good character development.

[@Zefurion1988]

Wait wait wait. Something came to mind. The Daemons that appeared on Terra Entered via the Web Way Gate Correct? Does that mean that if the Web Way of Mankind had been complete and then there was a breach into the warp, there would be a demon invasion on EVERY planet connected to the webway of mankind?? Perhaps its a good thing it was destroyed when it was.

[@Manuelomar2001]

No, the opposite. The Webway is nearly immune to being breached. The only reason Magnus was able to breach is was that the human-built section the Emperor made with the Golden Throne (which was a relic he *found*, he did not make it, and never really understood fully how it worked) was weaker than the Eldar or Precursor sections of the webway. That, combined with making pacts with what later turned out to be the Chaos Powers (which Magnus also didn't really understand at the time) gave Magnus the power to break the weaker human-section of the Webway near Terra. Basically, just stupid, stupid decisions and choices all around by both the Emperor and Magnus.

[@phoenixfire9176]

SPACE WOLVES!!!!!!!!!!!?????? ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

[@TheCorrodedMan]

Phoenix Fire he's taken on his true form...activate the cheese shields

[@TimeOfSin]

1k sons are so badass, this is why they're my favorite chapter. And I can only imagine the Emperors Wrath once Leman told him what he'd done :D

[@TAWSTEALTHSTALKER]

I love the amount of emotion you put into the fight scene.

[@thysmurray7420]

Wow! It felt like I was listening to an audio drama. Well done to you sir!

[@OrnluWolfjarl]

I have to say, that this episode surpassed all the others you've made so far ever since the History of the Imperium videos. I really enjoy these videos that are more narration rather than reading Lexicanum entries. Please keep this up.

[@Xayl42]

Calling thousand sons monsters and then proceeding on unleashing wolfen...Spcewolves who failed to properly mutated which is basicay what happens to the instable 1k-sons too. I will never understand the spacewolves and their hypocrisy. Same for their "spellcasters" who totaly dont use the warp while using the warp.

[@IcedBroom]

I would pay good money to watch these 2 sons fight in real life. Like come on man this would be one of the most epic fights ever :D!

[@romulusnuma116]

I would be worried about how away you'd have to be to not get killed could you even see them at all?

[@gcircle]

The fight would be recorded with those cameras they use to film bullets and such. And a 1000 mile radius danger zone would be made to avoid bystander deaths.

[@IcedBroom]

You 2 both seem to forget that mangus as said in the video put up some kind of barriers preventing anyone from the outside getting in the way.

[@BlueBlaze20]

You fool! You would be incinerated like the weak mortal you are! Their sheer power of blows would break every bone in your body! Their psychic might would overwhelm your little mortal brain, making your eyes and ears bleed as your brain turn into a thick mush! You'd be lucky to see a single punch before you die!

[@truffledude]

Magnus did literally nothing wrong

[@zedek_]

+Richter Aurelian Whoa, whoa, hold up now. _"refusing to surrender to the Space Wolves" I'm absolutely going to have to fight you on that one. -First of all, Magnus knew they were coming, and he intentionally blinded his legion so that the Space Wolves would be able to wipe out the Thousand Sons quickly. It was only after the demon fuckery enacted on his sons that he had to act. -Secondly, there was no "surrendering" to be done. The Space Wolves showed up and _immediately_ launch orbital bombardments, destroying everything except for a single city. Additionally, Ahriman found out about the Space Wolves at the last second, and the legion defied Magnus' wishes to just roll over and die to the hypocritical, misguided, batshit crazy savages that were approaching. _"Besides making bargains with Chaos"_ This one is also questionable. Actually no, you really can't blame Magnus for this one. He didn't know they were "Chaos," only that there was a powerful intelligence that could help his legion. You know who _is_ responsible? *The dumb ass Emperor*, who thought that keeping his children in ignorance would be a good way to protect them... _because you can toooooootally protect yourself against shit when you don't know about it, amirite?_ _"irreplaceable psykers"_ No. Just no. This is an exaggeration. Just say a lot of innocent people were killed. The Empire has plenty of psykers... that's why they were able to immediately begin *sacrificing thousands of them, EVERY DAY, to the Golden Throne*. Just watch the hyperbole.

[@Manuelomar2001]

You're both right. The Emperor was a complete fucktard with the way he withheld information, bestowed authority, and conducted business in general. Wants to reconquer galaxy, creates a score of dicator-like super generals and then has them all compete with each other for the most glory. Because that totally hasn't been a fucking disaster every time someone else has tried it in history. It wasn't the psykers who were irreplaceable, it was the Golden Throne itself. The Emperor didn't really understand it, or the Webway. He had no idea how to build another one or fix this one if it was ever destroyed. (In general, the Emperor was way more ignorant and lacking in knowledge or wisdom compared to how he led people to believe. There's a reason he needed Mars before starting the great Crusade) What Magnus did permanently burned out the Webway tech and damaged the Golden Throne. It still sort of worked, sort of. Enough to hold the webway gate shut and prevent Terra from being overrun by demons, as long as the Emperor exerted himself through it. So many bad decisions, terrible leadership, not trusting his subordinates, deliberately setting his subordinates up for failure by not giving them enough information and setting them against each other.

[@Manuelomar2001]

Nathan Holstrom man, drop the fanboy bullshit already. You don't have to pretend that you believe the in-universe propaganda about the Emperor. Especially when he himself, in the Horus Heresy novels, admits that he fucked up, that he doesn't know alot of things, and that he planned things very poorly. This is what I hate about 40k fans. You don't know how to separate yourselves from the fiction that you're reading, and realize that this is supposed to be a disastrously flawed character.

[@Manuelomar2001]

Nathan Holstrom "unclear" isn't the half of it. You just made all that shit up. It isn't supported at all by what's in the universe's lore regarding the subject. The most detailed, definitive, and official lore on the subject (the Heresy novels) say pretty much without possibility of doubt that the Emperor fucked up, did not really understand the forces he was fooling with, and basically failed to understand basic human psychology with regards to his own sons.

[@Manuelomar2001]

Nathan Holstrom No, you made it all up. Outcast Dead doesn't state or imply any of that stuff. What *is* made clear are the statements and narrative in Horus Rising, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, Merchanicum, and most importantly: Deliverance Lost. The Emperor didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He made huge mistakes, and he paid for them dearly. He did a half-assed job training his sons, and wasn't all that great with technology. (Corax, with a few months and some biologists, was able to improve on his Space Marine genome and make something much closer to a Primarch in speed and strength and resilience, without having to make any pacts with demons. There's also the very fact that he needed the Mechanicum's help at all. ) He was his own worst enemy, just like every other tyrant in history. I feel a little bad for you that you've swallowed the in-universe bullshit. Don't talk about "reading comprehension" when you can't even maintain the slightest bit of objectivity and realize that the Emperor is meant to be an illustration of failure. He's like a Dostoevsky character writ large.

[@calciumgoodness4073]

Your stories are becoming poetic, I really enjoyed this one

[@christopherwilliams7845]

Don't worry guys. According to TTS we're about to get Prospero Round 2 in the future.

[@ZombieX13]

So Magnus could have taken Russ 1 v 1. Magnus was dighting Russ, 2 wolves, and trying to block and route the space wolves

[@zedek_]

+Richter Aurelian _"Keep telling yourself that mate :P"_ Yeah... sounds like you're projecting there, "mate." Good job just ignoring everything else that Magnus was doing _while fighting Russ_. No big deal right? Yeah, let's just dismiss that.....................

[@tincano-beans2114]

I'd like to remind folks the time when angron wrecked leman...yes I know that leman's army had maneuvered into the winning position, but if you don't wanna count magnus' extra work on top of the fight... for real though my money is on angron in just about any fight

[@titanscerw]

Alex Kerley Angron would loose against Vulcan

[@aaqibhossain7864]

Russ is over rated by real life furries who play WH40K and identify with SW. Lion El Jonson beat russ into a day long coma. Angron beat Russ. Russ needed help from his wolves to avoid getting beaten by Magnus. Russ is far from the best fighter among the primarchs.

[@LordDink]

Way to leave out key details

[@mauriciomorais7818]

Now THIS is what I call StoryTelling!!! Well done, Ed! Well done

[@gcircle]

I wonder how all of this would've turned out if Magnus, instead of running, had stayed in Terra and just yelled "You gotta listen to me! Horus, he's been subverted!" Though I guess the Emperor's angry face is something even his sons shit their pants at the sight of.

[@tincano-beans2114]

he was also using, and loosing, his sons as batteries to get there in the warp. also ol emps loved horus so much he was blind to any wrong doing.

[@gcircle]

Cure4Living "little dumb mistakes" "massive blunder" that's the understatement of the year, given that just one of Magnus' "little dumb mistakes" resulted in an entire planet being wiped out and he and his chapter being dammed, LMAO. But yeah, pretty much.

[@gcircle]

Nathan Holstrom Isn't that, like, implied rather than confirmed? It would be a bit too hax for the Emperor to have that kind of meta-knowledge. I don't remember where I read about that.

[@gcircle]

Nathan Holstrom You don't have to indirectly insult me. I know of the 40k universe, but have not read absolutely everything. It just seems a bit inconsistent that Big-E has meta-knowledge of the future and then his actions seem to reflect the complete opposite, that he was an idiot in anything related to educating his sons. He makes absolutely no moves to try to mitigate in any way his sons' turn to Chaos. He almost appears to only speed things up in his negligence. Why? Because trying to educate his sons to not turn to Chaos would "somehow" make it worse? Lorgar and Magnus, the key players in kickstarting it all, turned to Chaos PRECISELY because Big-E was (seemingly) neglectful and outright a bad father to them. We do not know how the "Lost Primarchs" were, well "lost". The ones we know turned to Chaos would probably still have rebelled against their father at some point, but without the centerpiece that was the Horus/Lorgar combo, there would be no extremely organized and near successfull combined army going to Terra. Nor would the Drop Site Massacre take place, which was what put the Imperium in deep shit due to the extreme casualties the loyal Astartes suffered. If Big-E predicted it and did his best to save mankind I'll believe in his foresight, but from a reader's perspective, it almost looks like a cheap way to explain all the plot-holes away to me.

[@gcircle]

Nathan Holstrom I really appreciate you writing down all of this and showing me the pieces of lore about the Heresy I did not know. But what I meant with "indirectly" was that you didn't have to imply someone is a "slow 5 year old" by failing to read between the lines. It always felt a bit "Mary Sue" and optimistic that the Emperor just seemed to have a plan for everything and that the Heresy ruined it. The thought that the Heresy was His goal all along is...scary. For the record however, I still think Him having meta-knowledge is bullshit. I know "time shenanigans" are a thing in 40k, but as plot devices, they are bullshit. They are free "do whatever I want" cards for the writers. But again, thanks anyways.

[@JethVids]

Enjoyed this one Ed. My favourite traitor legion since these guys wanted to help the Imperium with their greatest strength...., their psy powers. I still believe that the remaining thousand sons that were sent away from the battle are now the base genetic material for the Blood Ravens. Again...., keep up the good work Ed.

[@tneal89]

I'm a pretty staunch loyalist fan myself, and the of Space Wolves in particular. That said, I think this, and the whole history of Magnus in general, is one of the greatest tragedies in 40K lore.

[@dennishogan5696]

You speak like an experienced story teller and I love it

[@TheArnos95]

On of the best videos you did, you were really into it, nicely done!

[@ThirdCydonian]

My favorite intro to the Heresy novel series is the one from A Thousand Sons, where Magnus is sitting in a tower talking about his father climbing the steps and coming to kill him. He definitely sees the tragedy for what it is and the part he played in it.

[@coloneljurten9046]

Siege of Prospero? I give it 4/10 needed more trenches.

[@romulusnuma116]

Of course you would

[@coloneljurten9046]

Romulus Numa Such is the way of life. But in all honesty, this is one of Eds best videos to date.

[@pierrelindgren5727]

Should do the Iron Cage next.

[@HaloFTW55]

I disagree with the Krieger. As a Cadian, I also rate it a 4/10, not enough combined arms and tanks.

[@richardround2071]

It would be excellent if you did some videos outside of the imperium, or some occurrences between the imperium and other species. For example it would be great to hear you on the battle of Macragge or the Damocles Gulf Crusade. Just a thought, great video.

[@VaultsOfTerra]

Those battle videos will happen after I finish all my main videos on the various factions.

[@richardround2071]

***** Looking forward to it. By the way, what are your thoughts of If the Emperor had a text to speech device, any chance of you turning up at any point.

[@fatguyfrommy8421]

Magnus did nothing wrong! Leave Magnus alone!

[@Leman.Russ.6thLegion]

WELL Im a wolves and custodes fan. But besides the word barers, I think they all could have been slavagable. But Russ, Khan, Manus, pertorabo, Dorn, guilsisizzleman, and crow boy were the best for the job.

[@John-Sneed]

DIO BrandOOO oh of course the gay vampire wants to fuck magnus

[@techpriest8965]

So this was a series of unfortunate events orchestrated by Horus, Chaos agent dude and Magnus fucking up. Damn.

[@Zenmaster_0-0_]

One of the best videos yet.

[@sjoerddz]

it was not hesitation that alowed valdor to kill the warp augmented marine but he let himself be killed because he saw what he had become

[@HalfBreedMix]

......psssht, if you are going to go Warp Powered, might as well go full-throttle !

[@marcdonnellan8730]

from a story telling perspective I really enjoyed this vid :)

[@RED-0321]

thanks for all your videos. there wonderful to listen to.

[@Britishperson131]

Wonderfully narrated buddy!

[@Kwg420]

One of the most Epic and Tragic conflicts of the Horus Heresy.

[@captainl-ron4068]

Just...as....planned.

[@hollyhandgrenade42]

Why did the psychic attack reflect off of Lemun Russ?

[@VaultsOfTerra]

Unknown, likley something built into his armour.

[@Boomeus]

*cough* hack writing *cough*

[@PedroIgori]

probbly the fenrisian runes since it was many times hinted that they actually were effective agaisnt warp creatures they might also act was wards for psychic attacks

[@absolute-focus]

It was down to his armour. it has the strongest runes of protection carved into it.

[@ekay6763]

like many other primarchs russ is a latent psyker

[@sarnicholas4053]

I can't help but feel this was Russ' moment of weakness. if he'd followed his orders to bring Magnus in, rather than second guessing the Emperor and letting Horus convince him to follow his own prejudices... Much might have been different.

[@Deathryzer]

Excellent work Ed!

[@pavs8211]

My favourite legion, the XV legion. It's a tragedy with what happened to them, yet it's such a compelling story...

[@sammullen5899]

4:00 love those sword-guns

[@AuramiteEX]

Magnus was outplayed by Tzeentch. Tragic

[@dudewheresmycar3601]

Council of (N)Ikea

[@bucklebill2]

All our laws come flat-packed!

[@Northstar-Media]

Council of Nicea /Constantine look up who formed the Christianity .

[@MasterCrawford343]

so, what I get from this is this battle was just a HUGE misunderstanding, if Horus hadn't interfered the thousand sons would likely have remained loyal to the imperium

[@gluever54]

yea

[@viewernewest]

Russ' blind loyalty cost the imperium dearly.

[@REgamesplayer]

Thousand sons reminds me of Lucifer and general battle for human soul. Ones who proclaim to be with God are themselves everything that they blame unto others. It is the Emperor who was the cause of all of this and in his infinite arrogance, he himself was the only player which was allowed by himself to play the grand game. He had punished Magnus for trying to play that game and in his arrogance, he forgot that there are other players outside of him, namely, Chaos Gods. All of this was caused by Emperor himself. A little bit of humility from him would had turned Horus heresy on its head, ensuring Imperium's decisive victory.

[@iancarman]

Damn, very well read mate; I felt like I was there! I look forward to the next one

[@genetv2]

Will you cover deis erie? I think I may have misspelled it. The titan that was assigned to the Luna wolfs/sons of Horus?

[@VaultsOfTerra]

Not in detail, I mentioned It in my Isstvan III video.

[@SonofSethoitae]

Dies Irae, means "Day of Wrath" in Latin. Usually it refers to Armageddon.

[@ethanpf449]

The Thousands sons turn to chaos and their hatred of the Space Wolves is completely justified

[@JANMICHAEL22]

Some spacewolves turned into wolfen.... how? Is there a difference between how the thousand son who warped himself into a monster and the spacewolves who turned into wulfen? Are these warp mutations on both sides?

[@cgavin1]

P sure the 'high cost' of using their powers was actually the sudden onset of the Flesh Change again.

[@darkblood626]

MMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSS!!!!

[@blazednlovinit]

Manus?

[@darkblood626]

blazednlovinit Huh looks like that key is broken

[@blazednlovinit]

No "gg" for you :D

[@williamburden2308]

book made me love the thousand sons

[@snickrep9676]

Could cryofreezing be used over a long period to build up a force capable of defeating the imperium in a rebellion.

[@alvarorubiodomech8327]

I have a question. Why Magnus didn't use an astropad to warn his father?

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

This was an awesome video

[@ryan4926]

Magnus did nothing wrong except you know... when he did

[@QuiteSpiffing]

#MagnusDidNothingWrong #RememberProspero

[@viktorzhang4209]

and thus, the text to talk device was installed on the golden throne.

[@shapeflesh4589]

It just hit me that Russ' sword looks a lot like Frostmourne.

[@Scrubwick]

Prepare to cry the manliest of tears!

[@Codoxnz]

Was it a fail safe spell? Seems heavily implied Magnus conceded to a packt Tzeench had originally offered Magnus, just as planned, and Tzeench 'saved' Magnus and his sons at the last moment.

[@TheHorreK2]

are there stories were we see Magnus again in his Warpform?

[@richardvaldes3959]

what happened to the rest of his sons?

[@VaultsOfTerra]

Unknown, ask the Blood Ravens.

[@ineptwatcher]

Bloody magpies.

[@bigalzo5311]

magpie 'they stolen our world and future, we stolen their holy axe and tons of other shit, maybe we should steal that holy spear of theirs'

[@sirderik]

if not blood raivens they became a traitor legion in the warp still namnde the same, with some frakturing, for more info about that, fins a youtuber that covers it, study or nag on vault of terra until that chaps space marin introduction comes =p

[@barbiquearea]

As others have pointed out they most likely became the Blood Ravens. This would explain why all records of this chapter's founding and early history have been lost (no doubt thanks to the Inquisition) and why they turn out more psykers than normal. It may also explain why their mantra is "knowledge is power, guard it well".

[@Kellett781]

It is supposed that the Blood Ravens legion was started by survivors of the thousand sons. Thoughts?

[@bluestormpony]

pretty much cannon at this point

[@Ahreman_egy]

So did they call themselves thousand sons even before they are down to a thousand marine?

[@ayzen1024]

Favorite video by far. #JusticeForMagnus

[@Masonicon]

and the reason Prospero got burned is: Magnus damages eldar webway that emperor reverse engineers beyond repair

[@AlanH450]

Did love this story, a great mini tragedy in a vast galaxy spanning tragedy. one thing though you have missed though is that Horus actually organised the destruction of the thousand sons, as the emperor sent the wolves to bring magnus to terra for judgement, not to destroy the the entire legion. also i never buy that Russ was involved in the destruction of the missing legions, its possible but there is another piece of information. in angel exterminatus, Perturabo, whilst waiting on this much twisted brother fulgrim was musing on the past. within these musings he mentions climbing the astartes tower, which was a psychic test of will and fortitude that they had to get through to swear their oaths of moment with the emperor. it is claimed that not all of them made it. it could be that the two missing primarchs perhaps failed this, and either died or become jibbering wrecks? well, it would neaten it all up some.

[@VaultsOfTerra]

I did mention that Horus corrupted the Wolves orders, and it is only mentioned from mny sorces that Russ MAY have had a hand in the ohter Legions destruction (Being known as the Emperor's Executioner and all that)

[@AlanH450]

sorry i must have missed that. there was also the incident where he tried to show Angron the error of his ways, and predictably failed. of course that wasnt sanctioned.

[@citronm1405]

Good and Exciting reading!

[@Masonicon]

Prospero's burning are Harry Potter vs Tarzan

[@WAcrobat19]

Now. I see the Space Wolves as monsters. But I still like them though. Is that weird?

[@kris220b]

prior to the battle at the council of IKEA

[@mattdudley8862]

Are you gonna cover the Badab war anytime in the future?

[@MrCoolioto]

Fucking Tzeench All according to Keikaku...

[@DINONERD27]

Note: keikaku means plan

[@HaloFTW55]

He would have liked Eldrad. Dicks, the lot of 'em.

[@madginger3634]

More videos please

[@dunepepe6199]

So horus started a civil war because his daddy wasn't giving him attention and wanted to concentrate on other things? dayum horus is a toddler!

[@alecnava5465]

How heavily were Russes losses? Or was his legion that much larger than Magnus's?

[@tincano-beans2114]

his legion was larger, I assume, and a large majority of the thousand sons were off world at the time. so the wolves losses weren't horrible. that being said, the thousand sons put a massive dent in the numbers they brought and whooped the sisters of silence and custodes

[@Jinisinsane]

he had his space wolves +sisters+custodes.

[@corrieshepard1202]

The crimson kings story is just sad. He was trying to do right

[@majorearl12]

Can we like have a legit Warhammer 40k movie series? Like however many movies the people want? I would so pay money to watch this fight animated lol

[@LordKamina2]

is it true that Tzeetch shattered Magnus at the end of the book?

[@YingTongIddleEyePo]

Best one yet

[@markhartshorn3476]

I know the inquestion will hunt me down but I felt sorry for magnus he lost his home because of hourus

[@Guywiththetypewriter]

Now ... just putting it out there... this came out of the vaults 1 day before a very special announcement by GW..... Ed knows..... 0_0 He has the great powers of the immatirium and can predict.... erm... shit... xD

[@RobAndTheChaps]

Russ and the Space Wolves are mary sues of the level of Drago

[@zachscarbrough2727]

Woah woah woah, lets not get crazy here! Nothing is more Mary Sue as drago and his shiny silver psyker babies.

[@EMSWK]

what of the four fleets sent away? by Magnus

[@LordKamina2]

They eventually became the Blood Ravens

[@ProstyValacuga]

Tats a very fragile theory...

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Not as fragile as you think. Even the Horus Heresy novels hint at it.

[@DeafLord18]

Now fenris is burning.

[@CrazedGamer117]

Blood Ravens...?

[@thorbenwolfsblut3824]

No Blood Ravens! The Thousand Sons and Space Wolves are Chapters of the First Founding, but the Blood Ravens were founded after the Horus Heresy.

[@memedream3433]

All Is Dust!

[@Fred_L.]

Brotherhood of Dust, that is.

[@grimanima]

But why did Magnus join the fight? It as never explained why...

[@citronm1405]

He was hurt to see his sons die. Genius should have thought of that before he told his sons to not fight back.

[@Iampower123]

leman russ is the most evil hero ever, magnus was just tryin to do good man its sad how totally they destroy the planet from the get go with orbital bombardment