Antifa, Racism, Family Values & More | Debating a Proud Boy

[@Dobbyisfr33]

“I’m on the inside and I’m telling you that's what happened” *We investigated ourselves and found that we committed no wrongdoing*

[@nikoloar5056]

LITERALLY LMAOOOOO

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

APBAB 😆

[@crooked_letters]

Proud Boys vibes are currently under investigation by our team. -___-

[@madanevs]

THIS GUY LITERALLY GOT ARRESTED FOR BEING IN THE CAPITOL LMAO

[@jimshotfirst4887]

Turns out he was actually talking about the inside of the Capitol building 💀

[@Nonaryfame]

"I have no empathy" Literally 14 year old boy levels of rhetoric

[@SuzakuX]

Lack of empathy is the root of like 99% of society's problems.

[@d0nj03]

What do you expect from a guy who's so off this planet he literally thinks healthcare is not a Human Right. And justifies that with some bullshit quotes from U.S. liberal (or libertarian or rather propertarian) ideologues from 400 years ago who said only "life liberty and property". Meanwhile in the real world, right this moment 250+ countries have treaties signed and ratified like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that protect even the right to a decent standard of living, which includes not only medical and social services but sufficient material conditions for housing, food and clothing with which to MAINTAIN your health instead of just patching it up with medicine when you get sick. Fucking dumb shitstains who don't know anything about the legal concept of Human Rights should not be allowed to speak about them.

[@marzgamingmaster]

Anyone who is going to say "I have no empathy" straight faced like it's a good thing is not qualified to discuss any issue that could effect anyone other than exclusively themselves. It is going to be impossible to have a good faith argument about human rights with someone who genuinely has no capacity for empathy, because they won't be able to look outside of what exclusively is better for themselves. Guys like this just WISH they didn't have a capacity for empathy, and exist in a magical fantasy land where being an inhuman monster is a desirable trait. Like you said, it's the thing a 14-year-old would say when they get in trouble for doing something profoundly shitty to someone else because sauske or some other edgelord in their favorite cartoon or comic said it, and they think that makes them cool. Absolutely pathetic.

[@RBEmpathy]

@Brielle Huggins I don't pretend, and I can't ignore my empathy for others. Don't forget that just because you have emotional or cognitive deficiencies, that everyone else does.

[@beetlebob4675]

@Brielle Huggins "I can't even bother to PRETEND to care about you guys" Well, that's the problem, ma'am. That's the fucking problem. If you can't be bothered to pretend anymore, than it sounds like you never really gave a shit about your fellow citizens to begin with. You solved it. Good job.

[@lydiafayre9806]

Your empathy is a tool. Bragging about not having it is a weird flex.

[@johngr1747]

It's not even a flex. It's a self-attack!

[@garrettwilliams3816]

I know. I often feel like people like this deny their empathy because they are afraid they might see themselves as the “bad guys”. Which can potentially put their whole worldview in jeopardy. It’s scary, sure, but it’s something I always thought was necessary in terms of character building and connecting with people.

[@GlitzPixie]

It's so annoying to see these "champions of reason" dismissing empathy as if it isn't a kind of reasoning (and an extremely valuable kind)

[@veggie_roll5224]

Not even a flex at all. Empathy makes us good people, that's what the right doesn't have.

[@TheShicksinator]

@@sentientvegan3070 from what I've heard and experienced personally it's the reverse, we have cognitive empathy we're just garbage at expressing it affectively.

[@phonometric_]

Hello fellow Vaushites. I come from the future to bring you good news. Our wonderful guest in this here debate, supectsushi, has been arrested for entering the Capitol on Jan. 6. Can I get a "weasily little liar" copypasta in the chat?

[@akkere4052]

At this point it's safer to assume that these people are simply incapable of telling the truth. Weasely little rats.

[@Engeldemuerte]

What a weasily little liar lol

[@AChickandaDuck]

Why am I NOT AT ALL surprised 😂

[@Greyscal3Rainbow]

Weasely little liar

[@emporioalnino4670]

I looked him up and he looks very soy and manlet pilled. Sad!

[@BillyOfOrange]

“No proud boys were inside the capitol!” Gets arrested for being a proud boy inside the capitol.

[@ShabazzTBL]

This guy did? Haha

[@sophin7766]

@@robertvoncleft7132 yup

[@doctoramigo4620]

WEASLY LITTLE LIAR!

[@need2burn]

So much for not thinking the election was stolen and not being a Trump bootlicker.

[@catrielmarignaclionti4518]

@@need2burn he was probably not, just tryna either kill people or start a coup

[@mattwong5403]

"I'm anti-big government and I support Trump." When I think of big government, I don't think of billionaires paying more in taxes, I think of voter suppression and a massive police force and military

[@Gabriel-hy8be]

Conservatives when the Federal Goverment is fighting segregation in the South: REEEEEE, this is federal tyranny, this is federal overreach in state matters and a violation of states rights! Conservatives when they lose an election: The vice-president single-handedly has the power to annul state certified delegates when he doesn't like the results. Conservatives don't care about big government and federal tiranny, this is just something they pretend to care everytime there is a 'left-wing' control of the federal goverment.

[@charleynewman5057]

He's not anti-big government. It sounds like he wants the media to be controlled by the state. Which is literally the biggest government can get. 55:00

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

Small government is just a far right dog whistle for gutting the social safety net, fucking the poor and culling the weak. These people are evil.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@Gabriel-hy8be Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

[@Vamashara]

@@janusgahrstre1998 smoothbrain take of the day right there. Congrats my guy 🥳

[@neverknowsbest1717]

"I'm not a proud boy, I'm just friends with their leader, organize meetings for them, hang out with them during meetings, promote them, recruit for them, wear their uniform, etc. but im not a proud boy"

[@kenshin6553]

"I'm not a Proud Boy, I'm just standing next to them"

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

“I’m not a racist look at all the non-white members of our hate club.”

[@ViniSocramSaint]

He's the secretary. Makes sense actually. We all know the secretary just does the administrative jobs but aint part of the org or loyal to the mastermind.

[@KylerJones]

Yeah like even if he isn't technically a member who gives a shit he's clearly very closely associated

[@mabus-armyofsalt9161]

@@TheDeadKingsRaven They're not a hate club... They're a PRIDE club. Kinda the opposite. They're a fraternity, and they are demonized by the left, so they represent themselves, and fight back against those who constantly provoke, shame, guilt, and attack them. They don't show up to Antifa events or BLM events, BLM and Antifa show up to Proud Boy events. They show up to events where Conservative speakers are talking and harass and threaten people, so Proud Boys show up basically to defend innocent civilians against the terrorist, masked horde.

[@lemonreviews]

He started off strangely open minded then it all went down hill.

[@videogamenostalgia]

Once you actually start probing their views they *all* turn out like this; even the so-called 'reasonable' ones.

[@Fusseliko]

He was obviously trying to obfuscate all the shit the Proud Boys do, trying to appear more reasonable than he actually is.

[@TheCirclekeeper]

Yup like all fascists.

[@aidanknight1574]

He was trying so hard not to say what he actually believes.

[@sense_maker1816]

It’s the appearance of open-mindedness without any of the ground work. Empty virtue signaling basically.

[@Evelyn-pl3we]

This guy was insufferable to listen to. The fact that he said, "I have no empathy" with such enthusiasm is really sad. Lacking empathy isn't something people typically gloat over. Weirdo.

[@JovanDacic]

I wonder if Dylan's killed off his own empathy by affectation of being a "redpiller dark triad man", or if he never developed empathy in the first place.

[@galaxyocicat5660]

I think this "I have no empathy" is like a way to deflect from realizing within themselves that they're assholes. Sounds contradictory but I feel like it might explain it?

[@krs1297]

Conservatives do

[@depressedtv]

I think "no empathy" is the right-wing conservative ethos.

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

@@galaxyocicat5660 Exactly. In the last ten minutes of the video the kid references his dad being black and out of his life. Sure seems like an immature kid with subconscious hate clouding everything in his life.

[@HawkbitAlpha]

This guy was just arrested for participating in the Capitol insurrection, after saying here that Proud Boys weren't part of it. Amazin'!

[@WayneMercy]

Do you know his name? I wanna look him up and read more lol

[@HawkbitAlpha]

@@WayneMercy SuspectSushi, aka Proud Boys of West Virginia leader Jeffery Finley. Check out Dylan Burns' video called "I Platformed an Insurrectionist" for some chaos that came from this discovery.

[@WayneMercy]

@@HawkbitAlpha awesome thank you going to watch it now

[@AbsoluteUnit333]

@@HawkbitAlpha Amazin'

[@benkrapf]

"Fuck it. I'm a fascist. I'm fine, dude." No, kid, you're the opposite of fine.

[@eggsbruhnadict4298]

8/21

[@aestheticaddict_]

This dude really said “Lol I was poor and struggled so everyone else can be poor and struggle just like me they’ll make it and btw it’s their fault”

[@charleynewman5057]

I guess they hate themselves?

[@raz1572]

Literal survivorship bias

[@Chris_of_Cleveland]

@@charleynewman5057 Not very proud... 🤔

[@aestheticaddict_]

@@charleynewman5057 they hate themselves, their friends who were/are also in that situation, they borderline hate their parents too for being poor, it’s really just pathetic. A crumb of success makes people like this dude completely forget where they came from.

[@yellowgreymorals]

@@aestheticaddict_ Yeah. I noticed that most people who think like this are driven off of some kind of deep seated hatred for everyone they’ve ever known in the past, as if they felt persecuted, and “success” is their revenge.

[@KN-ox1fe]

"I have no empathy"- the right and the poor boys in a nutshell. If only he had the self-awareness.

[@daraghokane4236]

He does he is marketing himself. He can't say yes were just as bad as you think

[@benkrapf]

The irony is that he has TONS of sympathy for his inbred in-group and its victim complex.

[@cjhenline]

@Kyle Kyle fuckinnnn oof dude

[@garlicbreath7259]

He said empathy

[@destinationliberation9952]

@@garlicbreath7259 Was going to comment that same thing.

[@Emerson-uv8xc]

"we want small government. a dude was arrested for collecting rainwater" *10 mins later* "if trumps a fascist then fuck it im a fascist" BRO? fascist government are NOT small😭

[@IcedEarth426]

Yes, Piss Boy, we already know you're a fascist.

[@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm]

These people operate on pure vibes with no actual logical consistency, concern with facts or any critical thinking applied to their positions. It's truly amazing how consistent this trend is among these creatures

[@zoobiewa]

Suspectsushi lied straight to Vaush's face, said there weren't proud boys at the capital on the 6th. Then was busted for being at the capital.

[@missgrreen9398]

For “Proud Boys” they seem awfully ashamed of their beliefs. It took this guy nearly an hour before he peeled back his mask to show his true colors.

[@Scalesti]

Good, they should. Can’t understand why people think the way they do. It boggles my mind.

[@karaipantsu1312]

They're racist and trying to hide it. There have been many similar groups before them, operating in the same fashion. "We're a fraternal organization bla bla bla"

[@monkeyxpwner]

Never forget this is how it happens. Hitler was actually an agent to infiltrate the Nazi party when he was in the Army. He then dropped out of the Army and became the leader of the Nazis. It all starts with getting disgruntled young men and twisting their beliefs.

[@ピッコロは素晴らしいです]

@@monkeyxpwner However, when Hitler was working for the military, the DAP wasnt the nazi party yet.

[@lil_weasel219]

oh he didnt peel back anything He had just started peeling

[@Dysfunctional_Daisy]

This guy was such a little weasel and then he just went full mask off. Like, how can you have no empathy for others.

[@Pink_pr1ncess]

@@CouchPotatoWizard It’s easy when you’re a psycho/sociopath.

[@fnord3125]

it's very easy for many people. the weird thing is just straight up admitting it and being proud of it.

[@StratsRUs]

It's America.

[@TabbyVee]

@@CouchPotatoWizard wacky zany psychopath wowoaooaowoeoowoaoa

[@libextremist]

This is the reason why there's always re-education program after leftist revolution. So they're stop being the selfish evil monster capitalism forced them to be.

[@sethdubridge7452]

He seemed to get more and more mask off as this went on

[@J0sh_395]

Always happens. The more they run round in circles pretending they aren't racist/ fascist etc. the more incoherent they get, so they start coming clean. Like how they convince themselves they are the one standing up for liberal values.

[@fredericgadoury6610]

Like when he said he has no empathy... pretty much the problem with most right wingers

[@itscalledanimedad6908]

talk to these type of people long enough without buying their bullshit soon enough they realize they just wasting time and just rather let the mask slips off..

[@Vamashara]

@@fredericgadoury6610 yeah because what this guy was expressing wasn’t political beliefs, it was antisocial personality disorder

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

@@Vamashara there’s a fair bit of overlap.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

“Wellll I got one friend, he died, but everyone else is fine”

[@JC-om7nr]

When did he say that. Timestamp?

[@maywasp]

@@JC-om7nr 1:21:10

[@tinyclown799]

This comment only shows how privileged and lucky you are. It’s not uncommon to have a friend die because of community circumstance.

[@AJJ129]

@@tinyclown799 so some people are underprivileged and may face a higher likelihood that they or some of their friends may die?

[@iJakexD123]

Just so everyone knows, this guy just got arrested for being at the capitol riot. LMFAO what a liar

[@ShabazzTBL]

Dude i just watched this and at the end Dylan jokes that he was too busy being threatened and dude said “I was too busy…nah nvm I’m not going to say that” haha. Maybe he almost snitched on himself as a joke.

[@lukelyon1781]

@@ShabazzTBL you could tell he was being dishonest throughout the entire interview.

[@347tester]

Hahahahaha irony

[@Shyolite]

whats his name?

[@HawkbitAlpha]

@@Shyolite Jeffery Finley, leader of the West Virginia Proud Boys.

[@donteatthemeatloaf]

When he started talking about healthcare and having no empathy for others I got super annoyed. Like good for you getting out of poverty but people with chronic conditions, poorer circumstances and just bad luck shouldn't be just thrown to the wolves.

[@christiantabares6713]

@@janusgahrstre1998 You also committed to a straw Man fallacy, as many on both the left and right both know and advocate for a wealth distribution on a more horizontal scale which includes elevating public programs. The main different are the degrees and variations to which its advocated for. The last sentence is actually just a narrative used when actually people just want wealth contributing more to healthcare.

[@donteatthemeatloaf]

@@janusgahrstre1998 I wouldn't say I've been served a straw man. Its my lived experience. I was on my way to a college education and having my own place but the sudden arrival of a dormant condition in my genes pretty much threw all of that out the window. Its really hard to move forward when I'm pretty much house bound, can't do any sort of active labor and my savings were wiped by medication and bills before I qualified for the current system of Medicaid. We're the richest country in the world but some people take the idea of providing for people in dire straits as a bad use of money. The guy in the debate even said outright that he wouldn't want any of his taxes going to people's medical bills PERIOD. That is the kind of thinking that really bothers me.

[@christiantabares6713]

@@janusgahrstre1998 I never said you mentioned wealth distribution, another straw Man fallacy. The 1st straw was within the first amd last sentemce of your previous statement on this thread.

[@thinkublu]

I'm kinda sad that Vaush didn't press harder on that tbh

[@bperson4153]

@@janusgahrstre1998 we should enact laws that actually lower medication costs and have Medicare for all

[@fionafox420]

Alternate video title: “getting poorly gaslit by someone who is definitely not a white supremacist”

[@extra1920]

@Clip clipper if he hates black people then how is he a black supremacist???

[@That_One_Xatu]

@Clip clipper It always warms my heart to see dedicated people like you and Janus gahr støre post gotcha after gotcha in the comments of Vaush's vids.

[@Samuel_Morchin]

@@That_One_Xatu Especially because it doesn't impact Vaush negatively at all. In fact, it positively impacts Vaush; all these comments are boosting Vaush's engagement in the algorithm, boosting the spread of his ideas!

[@ChromaticFarmer7]

@@That_One_Xatu whats the leader of the Norwegian labour party doing in Vaush comment sections?!

[@mushroomkaat2667]

@@Samuel_Morchin all the comments are boosting vaush's power level Every bad comment is a zenkai boost ( god I'm such a fucking dork I don't even like dbz)

[@crooked_letters]

I like how he tries to argue that the proud boys weren’t at the capitol. Like cmon dude..

[@videogamenostalgia]

And then he admits there were proud boys storming the capitol but they weren't there in their capacity as proud boys or whatever. As if it's a job or official title or something. Ludicrous.

[@Droogie128]

@@videogamenostalgia The leader of one of the chapters took selfies there.

[@crooked_letters]

@@videogamenostalgia it’s the same bs mental gymnastics every single conservative uses.. “Well technically..” like dude comes on this huge platform to defend the PB. Then pivots and backpedals whenever he’s tested in the slightest. So pathetic lol

[@keaco73]

It was Hillary and Obama just posing as Proud Boys.

[@Axxilles]

Man, I just got here and I was hoping for a good faith conversation. My friend sent me half a dozen clips of boogaloo boys that had functioning brains saying that ANTIFA wasn't the problem, the government is, lol. I was hopeful!!

[@honkedoffjohn]

SuspectSushi who is the Proud Boy in this debate was later arrested by the FBI for being inside the Capitol during the riots. Keep that in mind as you watch this video and he says the Proud Boys weren't apart of the attack on the capital.

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

And that he was too busy being elsewhere in DC to have been in there.

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

@@gengarvenom1180 that was exactly what I was thinking about

[@VexytheWolf]

Omg!! That's amazing

[@okaythen-]

Applying his logic, his single mother wouldn’t have been able to support him if women just stayed out of the workforce and accepted no handouts.

[@getschwifty5537]

He's been brainwashed so hard to be against literally all of his best interests, conservatism and traditionalism are pretty much the other pandemics ravaging the country.

[@alandgomez5905]

That's a very good point.

[@katyungodly]

Conservatives are inherently selfish. "I've got mine, fuck everyone else". His family got out of the hood, so he stopped caring about everyone he left behind in the hood.

[@StroominPrime]

This guy came off like an Army recruiter.

[@drock9009]

More like an MLM Pyramid scam!!

[@PhoenixProdLLC]

No, he didn't. He'd have to have a backbone for that and he doesn't. It's why he needs a gang, the coward.

[@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638]

@@PhoenixProdLLC ikr he absolutely lied about how he joined in, I don’t believe for a second that his thought process was “I’ve heard there’s this ultra right wing militia I don’t know what they’re about so I guess I’ll join them and lead a chapter” like yeah dude, that’s totally how you joined…

[@almosthelpless9374]

This person is trying to make the Proud Boys seem like a group of buddies you drink beer and play poker with rather than a racist and xenophobic street fighting gang.

[@videogamenostalgia]

That's what basically all gangs, fascist groups etc. make themselves out to be. Even KKK chapters had the exact same "we're just a quirky group of cool macho drinking buddies" thing. It's the easiest way of hooking in lonely and vulnerable men.

[@twinwoodsman]

That seems to be their usual MO

[@rjsimmons732]

@@janusgahrstre1998 ? it’s obviously just optics. every group does that no matter they’re motives or intentions

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@Clip clipper No, the proud boys started because cowardly racist children internalized the scary stories they tell each other about black people. Cope.

[@alrighty4456]

@Clip clipper sure buddy...

[@neverknowsbest1717]

"I believe in life, liberty, and property." Life: Being able to do what you what you want Liberty: (See Life) Property: if your poor, you deserve it, fuck you.

[@selenerahman4586]

It's a shame that a saying meaning all men should be free and not poor has been turned into something meaning the opposite

[@coryfice1881]

He's so proud he lied about being part of the insurrection.

[@sitthefuckdown]

One would say he's a real..... Proud Boy 😎

[@ariandynas]

@@kg356 That would be a demonstration. Not armed insurrection. These things are not the same no matter how hard you seem to be trying to conflate them.

[@alanahjoyce]

This dude burping at his computer while talking about American Superiority just... ah....*chefs kiss*

[@VildhjartaFanGurl]

Holy fuck i thought this was a meme and then he did it and I'm like. Oh. Alright then....

[@katyungodly]

*being streamed to hundreds of thousands of viewers* *burping, admitting fascism*

[@kitty7184]

You know you lost the conversation when you straight up admit to having zero empathy for poor people Comment at 1:20:30

[@ashelys6605]

“I have no empathy” was the most accurate thing he said the whole debate. Lol

[@videogamenostalgia]

I mean, you've at least got to give him props for being more honest about that than 99.9% of conservatives.

[@Still_Nope]

how does one lose a conversation?

[@kitty7184]

@@videogamenostalgia yeah that’s true. Obviously this sentiment is strong with most conservatives, they just don’t go mask off

[@santiagomarin1882]

@@Still_Nope On the context of their conversation we can argue that since his objective was sanitizing the Proud Boys by defending them he failed on that regard by being a piece of shit and letting his mask slip

[@BeckettLA]

“I don’t want to pay for YOUR medical bills…” imagine being a former insurance salesman & unironically not actually knowing how insurance works 😂😂

[@nukiradio]

Bruhhh

[@radlibwarnock1040]

they focus on the "i pay for others' bills" and forget the "others pay for my bills" part

[@dekstarking]

Yeah Vaush didn't hit this point nearly hard enough; I think he was stunned after an hour or so of mask-on politeness that when he got hit with that statement he just didn't know how to respond.

[@kimmorse9088]

I suspect that several of the "facts" he threw out about himself were of the alternative variety

[@AdhamOhm]

​@@radlibwarnock1040 I wouldn't be surprised if he's type who thinks Social Security and Medicare are savings accounts that they "pay into", then collect from when they retire, therefore they aren't entitlements. If that actually were the case, the average retired person would burn through their Social Security in a matter of months, and their Medicare after a few days in the hospital.

[@midnyte_tv]

Vaush: "So what other changes are you looking for besides being allowed to collect rain water?" Dumbass guy: "...................."

[@hellfirdragon17]

@Steven Browning The anti-rain water lobby is too powerful!

[@sasotadic7032]

Just a reminder, this guy claimed there was no proud boys inside the capitol, while he a proud boy was himself inside the capitol.

[@dakunssd]

"Venerating the housewife" sounds like it was taken directly from The Handmaids Tale

[@aitorgonzalez4657]

I mean, based on his ideology, I would be surprised if he idealized the Handmaid’s Take.

[@phillemon7664]

When he outright called himself a fascist my jaw dropped Edit: 54:20

[@Someone-ds8zm]

Damn, can you please send time stamp? I wanna see vaush’s reaction.

[@dias8726]

Sarcasm?

[@Someone-ds8zm]

@@dias8726 No

[@phillemon7664]

@@Someone-ds8zm I found it 54:20

[@luismurillo5855]

Well you know he was being "ironic"

[@scaryscarysocialism7033]

This was probably one of the lamest debates ever. The dude was completely outclassed and essentially just checked himself out and started practicing his video games.

[@williamy3947]

Sadly, he still ended up being the "winner", he basically, in the eyes of his idiot buddies, wasted over an hour of Vaush's time with his bullshit and gaslighting. I just hope more neutral observers who do happen to watch this joke of a "debate" realize how pure and utter scum the Proud Boi organization is.

[@BassikMusic]

This is a Proud Boys Customer Service Agent - Optics Department

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

"How would you like to report a poor debate & mask off situation?"

[@SatoKure]

1:00:50 I'm from the future, dude just got arrested for being at the Capitol Riots. "No Proud Boys at the Capitol" my fucking ass!

[@pastlesandfish]

"I have no empathy" perfectly encapsulates the right-wing mindset.

[@unclefa4416]

Yes, I support the 👨‍❤️🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳 Proud Boys 👨👨❤️️

[@2FadeMusic]

based. kinda funny how they picked the gayest sounding name ever

[@20Gero09]

His early tactic seemed to be making broad, mostly agreeable points and trying to clear bad pr of the Proud Boys, however he couldn't keep up the facade after some time. I don't know if he genuinely believed his first statements or if he is grifting/manipulating as a tactic for recruitment. Thoughts?

[@r.h.f.6073]

it's the latter I think.

[@quinnrosenberg3500]

Listening to this live was infuriating, and I think it's because his strategy at the beginning was to pretend to be agreeable. The trick is to always stay calm, and blatantly lie about shit confidently so your opponent will break out of frustration. It's very smart, and I doubt he came up with it himself.

[@aestheticaddict_]

I think he was being genuine I say this because the way he talks he sounds like an idiot that probably got sucked in the proud boys under a facade and after that “poor people die ig lol no empathy” I think he’s an sociopathic idiot

[@hellokittybebop]

I'm watching this think is he going to keep up this act the whole hour lol

[@GlitzPixie]

I think it's kind of a reverse motte and bailey where he starts by defending general and more understandable positions to make the less defensable ones seem more appealing by association

[@aegonthedragon7303]

Me at the start: this guy isn’t that bad. Middle: oh he’s starting to be a little mask off End: Goddamn it.

[@extra1920]

@Clip clipper he seems close minded, hypocritical and has an extreme lack of sympathy.

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

did you Nazi that coming?

[@extra1920]

@Clip clipper the left is about progression. you're a fool if you think progression correlates with close mindedness

[@extra1920]

@@TheDeadKingsRaven good one

[@Star-pl1xs]

@Clip clipper what???

[@jaftem2x]

Is this the proud boy that for a few hours argued no proud boys were at the Capitol on Jan 6 and just got arrested for being inside the Capitol on Jan 6?

[@kori1218]

YUP

[@katyungodly]

He's a dishonest actor. Makes everything else he says in this video even less believable than it already wasn't.

[@reallydoe2552]

He got arrested?

[@jaftem2x]

@@reallydoe2552 Yeah thats how we found out that he was at the capitol

[@valentinnitus3587]

1:00:40 Dude just got arrested for being inside the capitol on january 6th... Really makes you think

[@mrman4392]

Proud boys, also known as the group of boys who are proud.

[@eoin8450]

Couple o' good ol proud lads

[@kori1218]

AKA boys with pride

[@casperchristiansen2458]

The Boys Whomst Are Proud (BWAP)

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

“Proud boys” Sounds super gay tbh. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[@KhushbuMel]

At this stage, I'd rather there be more Genetically Engineered Cat Boys.

[@Space_Cadet10]

Not surprising that THIS dude got arrested for being at the Insurrection LUL

[@anamariaalonso7645]

I truly can't believe he said "capitalism has its issues" and then continued to not question his own ideas.

[@JessicaGail]

Is this the guy that was just arrested for being at the capitol despite saying in this debate that neither he and other Proud Boys were at the capitol

[@oyllowlanavnec1756]

yep it is

[@Space_Cadet10]

Amazin’

[@JessicaGail]

Conservatives/Republicans are bat shit fucking insane and so, so smarmy lmao

[@captencollin8753]

This dude is what happens when Shadow the Hedgehog fans get into politics.

[@jdprettynails]

Hey! I resent that statement. I'm a Shadow the Hedgehog fan and a leftist.

[@VegetaSoup]

@@jdprettynails I loved Shadow growing up and honestly it just made me more anarchist lol, not full but partially

[@hannahjaffe6402]

The mask slipped lower and lower as the convo went on

[@jimdotcom1972]

holy shit, the last hour is like talking to a child in therapy who doesn't want to be there.

[@caucasoidape8838]

Doesn't it remind you of a certain someone? : )

[@bebopobama4686]

Yeah he has self-hate issues for sure. He's a mixed kid who's dad was never there and so he probably projected his hatred of his father to his entire race and started to want to identify more with his white side. Very common archetype among mixed people unfortunately.

[@Mastadonson]

This aged well

[@abimelech3636]

"We'll find out who the FBI arrests, won't we!" "Yeah" This aged like fine wine.

[@mileslong7103]

Imagine they used this video in his trial LMFAO

[@margielagirl5503]

The hurdles this guy goes through to justify their shit is fucking insane.

[@OddZodd]

Both sides say this and that is terrifying.

[@TrevDawgRS]

both sides are wrong, ever think of that? everything the interviewer is saying is BS as well.

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

Start of convo: Proud boys are about antiracism. End of convo: Being racist and and advocating for fascism. Well that took a fun and totally not expected turn.

[@tvremote9394]

guys, there's less than 24 hours left before trump's presidency ends. i think we need to pick up pace a little if we want bernie to win

[@yuuumtheepic4118]

Imma be honest, I dont think Bernie will be able to beat Biden.

[@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong]

@@yuuumtheepic4118 Bro, you just gotta believe bro. Bernie can still win.

[@TheJohnnyonthespot1]

@@janusgahrstre1998 Tulsi? Naw dawg. She'd sooner inherit Tucker Carlson's gig than ever run for office as a Democrat again. And in case I'm not making myself clear... that is not a compliment.

[@catradora1786]

@@yuuumtheepic4118 don’t lose hope, Bernie will get there 😳🤚🏼

[@alchemi845]

This is the fubbiest shit ive seeb all year

[@TheDeadred123]

14:38 the moment when you be lyin and get caught in 4K

[@TheDeadred123]

For context, this dude was just arrested today for literally being at the insurrection. Bro was the imposter all along

[@kylebernadyn2465]

He also “doesn’t wanna be on the receipt” for someone’s medical bills but genuinely thinks how a man parents his children is his business.

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

PREEEACH!

[@ericfranklin1802]

Found this whole thing of the “toys for tots” thing. Essentially it looks like there were posts on social media saying that the Proud Boys were going to be working with the Marine Toys for Tots foundation on a Toy drive in Pittsburgh (this is reported by a local Pittsburgh news outlet). Then upon that being brought up to the Marine Toys for Tots foundation, they claimed they had no association with the Proud Boys and had no intention to accept any help or donations from the Proud Boyd. So sure there was an event “planned” but it never went beyond that as it seems the6 never even contacted the foundation.

[@maxbazin4301]

Bring this up to the top people

[@dvnmaycry]

Vaush brought this up or the headline of this and he kept denying it saying it wasnt that but im inclined to believe he was lying or just wrong as this fits what he suggested most.

[@stealthy2375]

Can you link the source? I want to use this.

[@Scalesti]

I wouldn’t associate with them either. Appreciate the offer but they don’t have a really good reputation so I don’t blame them

[@ericfranklin1802]

@@dvnmaycry I expect that, given he seems to be misinformed about some major stuff surrounding the organization, that he was told it was a thing and that it got shut down by the left and just didn’t question what he was told. Incredibly common among right wingers, they absorb what they are told by their media source of choice and then never question its validity regardless of the circumstances.

[@somelucifrostguy9208]

The moment he started talking about black culture I sighed

[@user-xi3qb9ts9r]

Was he wrong tho

[@extra1920]

@@user-xi3qb9ts9r yes

[@user-xi3qb9ts9r]

@@extra1920 i diss agree ma’am

[@extra1920]

@Clip clipper yes. to be specific a very self hating black person

[@extra1920]

@@user-xi3qb9ts9r black culture is not "beating up kids for good grades"...

[@Eranthis]

"Oh I act polite because it makes me look good" "Also I have no empathy"

[@kiatorrette5631]

"Its because we love women that we don't want them in the workplace" I...I don't know what to do with this

[@malikanthony1149]

Reminds me of how the vacuums were supposed to liberate the woman.

[@papabrownown5524]

"I love you, that's why I beat you" lines of logic.

[@tvremote9394]

guess this proud boy wasn't too proud of being at the capitol that day

[@jackpotjohnny924]

This guy is literally just almost entirely anecdotal andy

[@randomplaceinruralamerica9618]

He kept portraying the proud boys as this Boy Scout group for adults

[@Pit_Wizard]

Imagine getting out of poverty and still believing what this guy believes. It's like being forced to traverse a minefield, then when you survive believing the minefield should stay there. Unbelievable.

[@gsd4104]

Its unfortunately common with people who've pulled themselves out of poverty. I know a guy online who has been homeless a couple of times but espouses Peterson rhetoric constantly and is pretty dismissive of the struggles of other minorities.

[@tobiaseliot4716]

that's a really good analogy. it's insane how many people I've encountered that used to be poor and are still like "fuck poor people"

[@katyungodly]

They're mad they had to suffer and believe it is unfair if others get help during their suffering.

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

I like how every time Vaush makes a good counter to Proud Boy's views he just goes "interesting" and ignores it. Like how teaching about sex is bad but when Vaush says it helps children against sexual assault the proud boy doesn't care. Also, he wants us to believe that he joined the Proud Boy for fun and because "why not"? What a liar.

[@sofiasmoshergonzalez]

Sis said "I have no empathy" like that's something good, damn

[@LouieV6]

He said that so matter-of-factly, as if that's something to be proud (no pun intended) of

[@syra2323]

Proud boy: you think America is similar to fascist Germany? Vaush: here is a three course meal of similarities Poop boy: anyway on to the other unrelated things

[@jdprettynails]

This happens literally every time you debate any right leaning person. Right: X is so fucked up ...how can you LEFTISTS support that??? Left: *presents facts as to why they're wrong* Right: Um.... *pivots to unrelated point* Every. Single. Time.

[@osjos2822]

It’s okay, the leader of the Hawaii proud boys was at the capitol, but was he really and also if he was he wasn’t there officially as a proud boy allegedly

[@cartym1953]

He left his proud boy card at home

[@BenTehKitty]

He was "press". Like some kind of fascist Spiderman, like what the fuck. When someone calls you out for being there you point to like, a disposable camera and say, "no pls I am reporter"

[@gudboah4688]

Who’s here after this guy got caught lying about the proud boys being in the capital, and was arrested for participating in the insurrection 😂

[@r.i.pmydog7723]

This guy said “interesting” 50 times yet probably didn’t even listened

[@grooverkitty]

Gotcha, gotcha

[@pw6002]

He was literarily practicing video game combos during the debate, at least he said that at some point in the video.

[@grooverkitty]

interesting

[@Grace-tg4oy]

"I grew up in a racially segregated neighborhood but I've never experienced systemic racism."

[@christopherjohnson8532]

Anyone here after it was found out that this bastard was one of the proud boys in the capitol😂

[@eggsbruhnadict4298]

Heheh. Justice

[@christopherjohnson8532]

@@eggsbruhnadict4298 justice indeed

[@saintleibowitz8401]

so much misdirected self hatred in suspect sushi... clearly just wanted friends and didn't care what they stood for.

[@mindlander]

My thoughts exactly. People will do crazy things (cults, religion) just to have friends..

[@saintleibowitz8401]

@@mindlander seriously. its like if he just interacted with one person with good intentions, who could also maybe commiserate with some of his feelings he could have ended up advocating for neighborhoods like he grew up in instead of shitting on them..

[@maxryan186]

thats how they indoctrinate; prey on the lonely and isolated, then warm them up to the racism over time

[@IanJonesOnSax]

This is so much more entertaining to listen to a second time after finding out Suspect Sushi was arrested for being INSIDE THE CAPITOL BUILDING DURING THE RIOT. Amazin’.

[@rural33]

AMAZIN’

[@jwomackandcheese73]

"There were Proud Boys inside thr capital during Jan 6th! Except me..."

[@m.f.3347]

This guy's name is Jeff Finley (aka. SuspectSushi) and he's just been arrested & charged for participating in the Jan 6th riots. LMAO

[@Vizardog]

One of today's greatest comedies.

[@user-nc1yy7eo7j]

This video gets even better after seeing this guy got arrested for attacking the capitol lmao

[@robertpresley1503]

God I hate when the guy just gives up on defending himself on an issue and just says "idk man, whatever. I just don't believe in objective reality bro".

[@MrCoolgae]

"Hmm... Interesting."

[@r.h.f.6073]

it's so fucking frustrating, he comes off like a bratty teenager in class who is being forced by the teacher to give a presentation he doesn't want to give.

[@justjester5682]

The healthcare snap was the only time he was being honest.

[@blastmasters285]

Back again because he got arrested for being in the capitol during the riots.

[@orphaotheseeker2770]

"They can't be racist, they have a black leader and other races in their club" Uhhh look up Hank Yoo.

[@brandonbohan7281]

Why did I actually look him up. That’s in my mind now. God damnit

[@iAMtunaFISH]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@StangerStrange]

It felt like Vaush was talking to a teenager while he was being snarking and "edgy" focusing on his video gone going "Soo...I don't care" and "Whatever man...".

[@gunsho2]

The Proud Boy origin story is bullshit, Gavin and Ezra Levant puts a ton of money into it. It's like Sons of Anarchy meets the cub scouts.

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

Except cookies they sell meth and gobbles lit

[@Droogie128]

He believes that if you're poor, you deserve to die...

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

That’s what all conservatives believe.

[@aitorgonzalez4657]

@@unslaadkrosis3489 Yup. I mean, he just confirmed it so blatantly.

[@TheChiefOrg13]

Who's here after this Proud Boy was discovered to have actually participated in the Riot and got arrested? lol

[@mitchellhoward3209]

Lmao

[@megauser8512]

Meee!

[@bunbunjackalope4415]

Please let this be true lol

[@joeskirock]

14:40 none of us were Remotely close to the capitol, gets arrested a month later for being there. Also at one hour he says no proud boys were inside the capital.

[@MissAshlee]

ty for the timestamp i came here to find :D

[@joeskirock]

@@MissAshlee for sure. Come from r/leopards too?

[@MissAshlee]

@@joeskirock riiiight

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

what a weaselly little liar dude

[@shrub8644]

This aged like milk for the proud boy

[@2FadeMusic]

I lost my fucking mind when he started talking about how healthcare isn't a human right and "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are and Vaush was like "I feel like healthcare is the Life part isn't it"

[@munchbox7446]

This guy used to do MMA, be a bouncer, was an honor roll student, and he was a health insurance salesman, all while only recently just becoming a proudboy. I'm sure I missed like 20 of his other professions, but just based on this alone, I'm glad Vaush talked to this guy as long as he did, because he showed just how detached from reality these people are.

[@kropotkinnie]

Honestly this guy seemed traumatized from his youth and like he's desperately trying to cling to the idea that the shit he went through as a kid was in some sense his fault/a controllable factor so that he doesn't have to face his trauma and the racism he's experienced and admit to how it's made him feel. Saying that as someone who went through intense family trauma and turned to neo Nazism because of it for a few years. When this guy was talking about his childhood and how he views other people in those situations, it sounded like someone on the verge of having an anxiety attack. Guy needs help from a psychiatrist or loving friends, NOT from a group of white supremacists clearly intent on exploiting him.

[@cuboos]

This debate started off as, "oh this guy isn't so bad, maybe not all proud boys" to, "holy fuck i bet this guy has a white hood"

[@drewvarn]

This dude was, predictably, a massive coward. Scared to his core to say his actual beliefs and opinions.

[@SuperSteeler98]

He like many conservatives want to parse every sentence. They don't want to look at the big picture.

[@matthewchavez5322]

This guy literally just made himself as well as the proud boys look worse. He barely knows what he is talking about.

[@goawayplzthnx]

Proud Boys are generally pretty stupid guys.

[@Scoring57]

You mean pretends not to know what they're talking about. He's conveniently ignorant of all the things that would make his group look bad

[@ExImperialDragon]

What really boggled my mind when listening to this live was that he said he was an insurance agent, but was against universal healthcare. I was a licensed agent in multiple states for years, and the easiest thing I understood was that larger risk pools = lower costs, and that someone on insurance coverage is *always* subsidizing their neighbors. Period. Always. The healthy in a risk pool subsidize the sick, therefore you're always going to pay for your neighbors' care. If all of them collectively have their health go down the drain then even the healthy pay out the nose for healthcare costs (IE, Little Hocking, Ohio where cancer causing chemicals were dumped into the water by DuPont for years, which caused that area and surrounding ones to have *significantly* higher instances of cancer than other locations, resulting in substantially higher cost-sharing and premiums). This is like insurance 101 and something I had to learn to pass my life/health license test in Ohio. I'm a dumbass from *Ohio* and I learned that, why the hell didn't he? This guy has just turned his brain off and listens solely to rhetoric, and does not think for himself in the slightest. The basic, most important concept of health insurance is socialist at its core (risk pooling), and health insurance simply does not function without it- it's just insane that he believes what other people tell him to the extent that he rejects what he should have learned in order to hold said job.

[@jdprettynails]

I dunno, the way he said "I was a health insurance salesman" sounded exactly the same as "My dad works for Nintendo."

[@katyungodly]

"I was a health insurance agent" "I was not at the capital on Jan 6" This guy is clearly incapable of telling the truth.

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

You could tell the guy was hiding his power level the whole time.

[@Hsjsjskekdocienskspsbebdvd]

lmaoaoaoaoaooa fr fr

[@chinyereukeje3161]

This didn't age well...

[@WaddyMuters]

“Yeah I have inside knowledge. So trust me.” You’re also a giant liar. So I don’t think I will.