"Why Can't I Have An Ethnostate?" | Debating a Lunatic

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

How to Race Realism: 1) Mistake fenotype with genotype Done

[@jf1573]

… That's how it's taught on the Mengele School of Eugenics, custody of 4Chan.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

This guy thinks humans are like video game characters or like role play games, if you're good at sports that's 5 points off intelligence.

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

@Tariq Nasheed Nazi:" Hacker, he hacked the simulation to be a overpowered npc to make my InCel life hell.

[@nikkovalidor4890]

maybe for athletes that get their noggins bashed in constantly like boxers or football players

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@nikkovalidor4890 yeah but remeber that goes against his argument about it being inherent.

[@irongears123]

Funny part is that better bloodflow also means better nervous system function and brain function.

[@chaosflash912]

@@nikkovalidor4890 Fighting smart is better than fighting dumb lol. Boxing is just as much of a mental sport as it is a physical sport.

[@tommyochludde9519]

I just worked out for 30 minutes. Changed my genetics.

[@pranays]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@billcipher826]

you got xp and evolved pokemon style

[@Yimika777]

Absolute unit

[@brettmeeder7911]

Keep it going! Im working out so my kid will be born with washboard abs someday!

[@d0rkweb]

working class built different

[@mushroomreaper7745]

"The brutalness of living in a multicultural urban setting" is the whiniest sentence i've ever heard.

[@thunderbird3304]

This sounds like something that HP Lovecraft would say

[@alexisglaab2572]

@@thunderbird3304 In one of his letters definitely, but even *he* wouldn't put that into a published story.

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

@@alexisglaab2572 even he learned over time and became substantially lest racist as he grew older. If he lived into his 70s instead of dying so young he might’ve ended up a lot more acceptable.

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

@LanesHasGains are you 13/50ing rn?

[@a-rat-in-your-walls]

@@alexisglaab2572 Except he basically did in his early Providence in the year 2000 poem.

[@madeline5493]

“bLaCk pEoPle ArE LeSS eVoLvEd aNd hAvE tHe LoW IQ GENE” - a guy who doesn’t know what evolution, IQ tests, or genes are 💀

[@yagnapatel3912]

I am wearing genes right now

[@Jaquass]

@@yagnapatel3912 Based

[@monolithtitan]

what do the IQ tests imply along the lines of race?

[@madeline5493]

@@monolithtitan What do you mean?

[@monolithtitan]

@@madeline5493 I honestly don’t know how to make my question any clearer? Aren’t people supposed to be fans of this shit channel cause they think they’re intellectual?

[@tylerhutchinson5154]

I'm a Canadian. We do have a issue with systemic racism. Its just directed primarily at our First Nations instead of black Americans.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

No one mentions it, but 30% of your prisoners are indigenous. They are 5% of the population. How can Canadians not be systemically racist? If we consider rate alone, Canada is much worse than the US in fact (not entirely fair, but still). Most in the international community don't even know of, in the most casual sense, the horrific plight of First Nations peoples. It's truly sad. (The US incarcerates more of its citizens overall, however. Goes without saying: absolutely abhorrent.)

[@jontraz5993]

@@mypartyisprivate8693 my beautiful country of Sweden have our own systemic racism. Look up "sweden same racism" (same is pronounced sah-meh), our indigenous people were horribly treated too and not even Long ago 😓

[@Goodmorningmg]

@@mypartyisprivate8693 There is no real push to fight systemic racism in canada like there is in america. canadians have the impression that racism was something that we avoided, and that it’s an american thing bleeding onto us. nobody accepts responsibility for their racist values because nobody believes that we are racist to begin with, like we are somehow above that. BLM and many indigenous rights movements have occurred in the past, but the sentiment sadly is lost on most canadians i find :(

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

@@jontraz5993 I had no idea about the Sami people. Thanks buddy. Learned something new today!

[@Avenger222]

​@@mypartyisprivate8693 Systematic racism, as in how Canada treats their indigenous/first nation communities, to the point where those communities have low living quality / no economic opportunities / social programs, etc. thus leading them to commit higher rates of crime? Then yes, you could argue those instances have Canada worse based on population percentage.

[@luckyclaw9569]

This man really thinks that evolution happens like pokemon where you train your eevee in the daylight with full friendship and it goes from 40 IQ to 200 IQ

[@dantan1249]

Epigenetics do affect offspring but why does that lead to a race realist outlook? That just means do the thing that makes you better. There is no need for an ethnostate

[@Sumyriaphantom]

😂😂😂😂

[@rayc766]

BRUH IM DEAD

[@justagun]

He mentioned "base intelligence" like it was a game of DnD

[@TheLegend-oy2sg]

Eevee gotta be big mind to evolve into espeon

[@k28xl]

Caller: "I'm pretty sure no one in your chat would say I'm losing it Vaush" Chat: "This guy needs to be medicated"

[@SamuraIcarus3]

I can't get over "if you mate with a South Korean I know your kid will be taller than if you mate with a North Korean" as if the height differences between NK and SK is because of genetics and not because of how malnourished a huge amount of North Koreans are and how good SK's environment is now

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Epigenetics cause your children to be shorter if you were starved. The Dutch are still the tallest people in the world though despite the hunger winter of WW2

[@thespy1807]

*"MATE"*

[@ashleylight9882]

Please, someone tell this nazi dude that Lamarckianism is dead, dead, dead. . .

[@timekeeper2538]

@@nuclearcatbaby1131 But you don't know what epigenetics are.....

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

@@timekeeper2538 Epigenetic influences can be histone modifications, gene methylation, and perhaps other unknown mechanisms.

[@cctomcat321]

I've realized I hate myself. There is no other reason why I would keep subjecting myself to most of these debates.

[@bungaobungus5599]

Broooo, samee, just watch these to feel anger ye? Ive started to look at this more like education if i encounter nazis cuz ooooh boy theres a lot of em in europe

[@cctomcat321]

@@bungaobungus5599 lol.. probably a little. But I'd have to say it's more along the lines of your reasoning. To hear the arguments as well as watch them be dismantled. Essentially for educational purposes for the sake of being prepared to argue with people who hold harmful beliefs. That, and maybe a little bit of entertainment. Like a bloodsport for eggheads such as myself.

[@Internetrando]

Lol word.

[@singhatar0912]

Yea I also hate myself

[@singhatar0912]

For listening to these, idk how vaush debates these men

[@OblivionFalls]

This guy literally thinks that if you go to the gym you are changing your DNA in real time for your muscles to grow bigger. I am dumbfounded.

[@eerebidae]

If you're dumbfounded, just read some books and E V O L V E

[@jeffc5974]

And going to school is making your brain DNA better.

[@sadboy_otoroshi7692]

The guy is using pokemon's definition of evolution

[@Daniel-cm7if]

I couldn't pay attention to the whole thing. Does he really say that? If so... It's kind of the worst possible version of essentialist thinking, which makes a lot of sense if that's what's behind the rest of his views.

[@AUstudios]

"If you change the environment you can change the biology. That's how evolution works." Dude thinks Irish people evolved in a matter of decades

[@zvendiearschficker493]

I love how race realists actually disprove their own ideas as soon as they open their mouth.

[@zking2929]

Exactly lol

[@DereBear]

“We can start with race realism and see where it develops from there.” Sounds like he’s at a dinner date

[@CalamityInAction]

“Honey I’ll order for you- Hi! We’ll have two racisms please as an appetizer”

[@DereBear]

@@CalamityInAction "Do you like your IQ genetically determined or environmentally grown?"

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

@@DereBear Believe me, mine’s not environmentally grown at all.

[@whoisheiforgothisname2103]

@@nuclearcatbaby1131 "Is there any beverages you want to come along with your racism?"

[@itsjustbriar1205]

I read this as he said it and that's fucking wind.

[@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT]

"Let me joker laugh for a bit while I point out your sneaky debate tactics Voosh. Now that I have pointed out your sneaky debate tactics I will now declare myself the winner of this debate." -Nazis in 2021

[@frankatwood1770]

Yes. A lot of people who are just here for entertainment won't care but more autistic people who care about fax and logic will get triggered by debate tactics.

[@reverendaero]

haHAA - literally the thing the guy said before I read this comment while listening to the d̶u̶m̶p̶s̶t̶e̶r̶f̶i̶r̶e̶ debate.

[@jaymorgan8013]

The nervous Soygon chuckle.

[@primrosett]

The fact that this dude sincerely thought he won this debate is delusional on another level

[@shadoeboi212]

@@primrosett he literally doesn't understand the basic vocabulary of his side

[@salsaroja9740]

“We don’t have a racial issue in Canada!” *>The First Nations have entered the chat*

[@pranays]

In canada we can sue work place racist. With that big mouth he's getting sued one day for sure.

[@Nopeaintme]

[Finds hundreds of native american corpses in former Indian Schools]

[@himethisisme]

@What are you going to do? Google "canada indigenous children unmarked graves" and then go to 32:49

[@jordanschoenenberger4397]

Also Canada has plain ol discrimination against black people like the US, and Asian people, Vancouver has no black people anymore because we literally bulldozed their neighbourhood to build a portion of a proposed highwaqy system which I'm not sure made any to build, only to be stopped by white and asian people protesting against the demolition of china town because: racial interaction leads to less racism. But seriously, one of the most famous civil rights heroes is Viola Desmond, a black Canadian fighting Jim Crow style discrimination.

[@himethisisme]

​@Mursal Jama The Catholic Church cannot make their particular residential schools _mandatory_. The government did that. Like if the US government made it mandatory for you to buy only iPhones, I get why you'd blame Apple, but the govt wrote the law and the govt sold you out. So it is with the CA govt and the church.

[@jennanyx4968]

And as a Canadian, all those racist things Canada "didn't have", were had. Specifics might be different, but our history w Indigenous ppls is horrific. And its still happening.

[@deathshop2172]

as a canadian, I agree with that wholeheartedly

[@shijikori]

this debate got me to lookup the history of slavery in Canada and I feel like that's such an overlook in our history classes. I had hints of it through my education but it's never been told that we enslaved the First Nations and had black slaves at one point. The only thing in some way remarkable for us regarding slavery is that we're one of the earliest states to legally abolish it. By the 19th century, we ruled against slavery and in the 18th century slaves were freed through the justice system by judges.

[@uniiversalchakras]

I want to say as a person of the Tsuut'ina tribe, I do appreciate you folks having awareness of the genocide that happened to other tribes and my people

[@CrazyGiaky]

Lunatic: "I'm a race realist, not racist. I won't just say, 'Minorities have lower IQ.'" *Vaush: "But you do believe that."* Lunatic: "Well, ya but..." *Vaush:* * _stares at camera_ *

[@vanmello1680]

This felt like the office but worse

[@cctomcat321]

Oh, yeah? Well.... *TURQUOISE*

[@jontraz5993]

@@cctomcat321 THERE IS NO GREEN OR BLUE

[@cctomcat321]

@@jontraz5993 there is no color. Once you see this, that it is not the turquoise that bends.... It is only yourself.

[@frankatwood1770]

@CrazyGiaky You know that would make Vaush a race realist too since he believes there are differences in IQ between groups right? It looks like Vaush's audience is even dumber than him.

[@X3._.n3]

Fascist: how about an ethnostate in West Virginia Vaush: I'd rather it was a separate island Fascist: let's just stick to West Virginia Vaush: okay fine West Virginia Fascist: wait don't tie me down to West Virginia

[@Angel-ni2yn]

BAHAHAHHAHAHA i forgot he pulled that

[@phillipsandusky3795]

Yea because if he could get Vaush to concede that he'd scale out to the amount of land thats proportionate to the amount of people who'd want to be a part of it. I suspect this is another reason why Vaush wanted to do Atlantis or the KKK-magic island.

[@keanuxu5435]

TAKE ME HOOOOOME

[@ToxicAudri]

Fascist: I may not be a smart man, but I know I don't want no country roads.

[@ninjatortise8958]

I mean first of all,no mainstream conservative goes out of their way to advocate for an ethostate. It's more or less a far-right position

[@commanderneyo7903]

We're reaching levels of Maple fascism that shouldn't even be possible.

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

Nazi canadians wear burlap not denim

[@kennethostrer735]

Maple syrup libelz

[@jeremyclarksonfragrance]

Based

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@@johnnyguillotine1673 like the material in sacks?

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

They really shouldn't. Guess even some of us overly polite syrup-suckers want totalitarian rule over the planet.

[@sandshark2]

“Doom has no woke shit” Doom eternal is anti-capitalist lmao, with a story of the dangers of the fusion of church and state, along with the horrors of late-stage capitalism

[@phil8378]

When knuckledraggers talk about a game being “woke”, they’re referring to women and black people, not broader political messages. They’re not smart enough to get those

[@theobsidiansimp8626]

@@phil8378 Based

[@reaverfang377]

It's cos there was *one* line about how the Demons are Mortally challenged and not demons used as a joke.

[@internetidiot4206]

@@reaverfang377 and, even then, it feels less like mocking the LGBT but mocking people jumping on board of LGBT without actually being part of it to get special protections

[@co-bruh1423]

And it has woke shit in it too. “Please do not refer to our guests as demons, please use the term mortally challenged”

[@CrazyGiaky]

Vaush: "Nutrition, education, and other environmental factors cause IQ differences more than ethnicity." Lunatic: *"bAbY oUt WiTh DuH bAtHwAtEr!"*

[@frankatwood1770]

Vaush's argument relies on the dumbest false dichomoty ever. Differences can be caused by both genes and environment at the same time.

[@aestheticaddict_]

the amount of times he used that phrase was so annoying, it began to lose meaning to me

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

I’m offended that you think rich people are smarter than me.

[@supermutantsam1160]

@@frankatwood1770 the obvious and excessively-stated key point being that there’s no evidence to prove that said genetic differences explain these demographic variances. Again, just because differences EXIST and changes CAN occur without outside influences does not mean that environment isn’t the factually correct answer.

[@frankatwood1770]

@Ooki Cooki Exactly.

[@icyr0bin-794]

“africa didnt have big buildings” my dude the pyramids are in africa.

[@alviseossena3238]

he would say that the pyramids were built by white people

[@icyr0bin-794]

@@alviseossena3238 i truthfully believe that most conservatives actually think that

[@icyr0bin-794]

@@KhaziJKG even if you were right you’d still be bringing up something completely irrelevant

[@othmaneelmansouri6314]

@@KhaziJKG By arabs? They were build by the pharaonic civilization, which is an african civilization, please educate yourself : north africans aren't arabs.

[@jborrego2406]

No why people think that Egypt is not part of Africa also they will say is the Arabs are Middle Eastern’s

[@primrosett]

Using the term "SJW" unironically in the first five minutes? We're off to a great start.

[@kennethostrer735]

Let's goooo

[@feistygheisty]

No sjw bullshit just a roided up (white)power fantasy as all things should be.

[@weatheranddarkness]

I've heard people I thought i knew well use it unironically in conversation

[@weatheranddarkness]

@Connor Ó Dubhlaoich Social Justice Workers. Nobody ever called themselves a "warrior".

[@weatheranddarkness]

@Connor Ó Dubhlaoich um, sure? But even taken as true, what's the point? The acronym has been coopted by rightwing nutjobs with an axe to grind. And NOW, using it unironically the way the interviewee did is part of a rightwing lexicon for dismissing people. It's meant as a dogwhistle at this point.

[@MormonJesus299]

As a Canadian it is absolutely crazy to hear this guy say there’s no racism in Canada

[@loki2240]

...including because he's a racist in Canada.

[@goblinpopcorn1367]

For real though, I've been called a "N***** lover" just for helping a black man ask for a phone card at a 7-11 because the cashier couldn't understand his accent

[@Meinfuhrerhoffman]

Guess residential schools weren’t ever a thing.

[@jakesuper6447]

​@@goblinpopcorn1367 Really?

[@jakesuper6447]

​@Billy Cypes Yeah, it's actually insane how much inequalities there are between white and indigenous Canadians and the government doesn't do anything about it

[@crumblingronald3012]

"Do i evolve when i work out?" "Yes" "That's not what evolution means." "Well i didn't want to say yes."

[@2wyzegaming97]

THESE people are the ones arguing they deserve to run things. Good god the lack of self awareness.

[@stilltoomanyhats]

Race realism wasn't quite pseudoscientific enough for him, so he had to add a little Lysenkoism to spice things up.

[@cjboyo]

Unironic Lamarckism

[@xaldynnemo47]

"Without us fascists you'd have no one to fight against, so you need us! I'm the Jokah, babey!"

[@2wyzegaming97]

I wish these people would just fight each other to death to find out who the best fascist is....

[@SapphicFurry]

@@2wyzegaming97 let's refill the colosseum and watch them try to argue that they're immune to the alligators or something

[@kraio-sfu]

@@2wyzegaming97 I mean, that is the logical conclusion of fascism. It relies so heavily on othering that once you eliminate the current “other” group, you then need to find a new “other” group. Suddenly, it isn’t “this person isn’t white,” it’s “this person isn’t the right kind of white,” then it’s “this person isn’t *pure* white,” and ad infinitum until there’s only one überfascist left alive

[@CrystalFlames]

What’s hilarious is that this is actually how fascists work, they need a perpetual enemy. That’s some real projection.

[@revolutioninthedark7048]

@@kraio-sfu basically fascism kills humans

[@Princess_Kieran]

"Canada has no systemic racism." might be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, has my mans has never heard of residential schools????????? they teach it in elementary school here

[@wickednwyld]

That even floored me, and I'm in the US. I do watch a lot of documentaries, though.

[@Princess_Kieran]

@@wickednwyld the guy must have been homeschooled or something. you cant have these kinds of thoughts when you're educated properly

[@tulip1617]

I was never taught about residential schools until I reached cegep and university. My high school was literally squished between two different reservations and had a lot of Mi'kmaq students, yet the only content we ever touched on was the very basics of indigenous culture and history. Having lived in almost half of the provinces now, Ive met a lot of people who were also just never taught it either, which is insane.

[@quiznak1003]

@@tulip1617 Your highschool must have sucked. We literally got taught about about this serval times at the school's I've been too. Especially during grade 10 history and even more in-depth during grade 11 English(Native Studies).

[@casperchristiansen2458]

To Tulip and Quiznak, I know that education in Canada is set by the provinces, so I'm curious to know if this difference in education correlates with the province. I take it that Tulip grew up in the Maritimes, so was that kind of education particular to that area?

[@Durandurandal]

"Ireland, lovely country, there should only be one of them" Write this as my damn epitaph

[@Jane-oz7pp]

"THERE WAS NO SLAVERY IN CANADA" "Yes, there was." "BUT THERE WASN'T MUCH, IT WAS ONLY NOVA SCOTIA AND LIKE 49 PEOPLE" Okay a) move the goalposts much? and b) it was approximately 4.2k slaves.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

Not to mention HOW MUCH SMALLER Canada was in terms of population compared to the US. Adjusted for population, and assuming there were actually only 4.2k slaves, the rate of slave ownership in Canada was a little less than half of that in the US. Which is still atrocious. The modern Canadian "holier than thou" sentiment with regards to their history is completely unfounded. Hence, the huffing of their own farts and the preponderance of Canadian ethnonationalists lol

[@jontraz5993]

The nazi doesn't realize that ONE slave is a fkn failure in humanity.

[@poisonouslittleviper4805]

We 100% had slavery, and even if we didn’t we have and still continue to constantly fuck over our Indigenous population and our Asian population. Did this man forget residential schools? Japanese Internment camps?

[@ashfox7498]

In fairness, if I woke up one day to find out that I was in a different timeline where slavery in America was limited to like 50 people in Jamestown in the early/mid 1600s I'd kinda look at that differently from what America did with the trans-Atlantic slave trade after sesession.

[@Mezelenja]

Also Canada took part in black face shows. Like ALOT.

[@aaronmcdonald2877]

Nazi: "Can we use West Virginia instead of wizards" Vaush: "NO" Nazi: PLEEEEASE!! Vaush: "Okay, let's use West Virginia" Nazi: "DON'T ANCHOR ME DOWN TO WEST VIRGINIA!!"

[@SeanLaMontagne]

It was so weird. If he *actually* wanted it to happen, why can't he think of a realistic example?

[@aaronmcdonald2877]

@s p y d e r cringe

[@loki2240]

@@SeanLaMontagne - Because he's not realistic - he's an ideologue. He's either an ideologue who foolishly believes that a white ethnostate in the U.S. or elsewhere would just be content to be its best white self, or he's an ideologue who thinks that we're foolish enough to believe that a white ethnostate wouldn't try to cause any problems for any other countries (including intentionally being a breeding ground for white supremacist terrorists). White nationalists need an enemy. They aren't content to try to be the best white person that they can be. They need to rally against and scapegoat an "other."

[@alecoreilly1456]

The official Nazi position on evolution is that we evolve like Pokémon i guess. Wow.

[@corpsebrood6669]

Gotta catch em' all

[@drew7311]

@@ahmiehabibi lmfao

[@Spongebrain97]

Like they're literally incapable of acknowledging that all modern humans spawned from the same populations im Africa and thus are very genetically similar. I use the dog example in that theres lots of outter variation but on the inside they're the same. You wouldn't say that a doberman, labrador, and chihuahua are different species or races despite being the same thing but with different breeds. An actual different creature separate from all humans would be a Neatherdal

[@angsors_9794]

@@ahmiehabibi Pokémon White 2 Ethnostate Speedrun

[@beansfebreeze]

@@Spongebrain97 I don't know if breeds are the right analogy to use because that opens nazis up to the whole "so you're saying different races (read: breeds) are genetically better at different things??????" argument

[@ralphcoryeaiv3963]

My favorite part was when the Nazi was crying for a moderator bc he can’t spit out one sentence without being wrong. He literally needs a debate parent to stop his opponent from correcting him for how dumb he is.

[@co-bruh1423]

A moderator would stop him every ten seconds to remind him how disingenuous, fallacious, and outright wrong he is.

[@fabiomoraes6117]

His idea that "Africa didn't have nothing while Europe was civilized" is absolutely appalling

[@wickednwyld]

Most of these guys don't exactly specialize in world history.

[@casperchristiansen2458]

Never forget Great Benin.

[@bungaobungus5599]

Could u twll more about that? Im not racist, just fact checkin if i encounter another nazi whip their ass with science

[@tuntejaable]

It actually annoyed me that Vaush always gives them that argument. Even he said that there were only huts in Africa. That was pretty racist and when it comes to Africa even he is parroting the racist nonsense. I think it would be better if he learner more about Africa

[@andreja9425]

I wanted Vaush to really get across that african and native american cultures were not “less advanced/evolved/intelligent” but just had different systems/cultures/resources/priorities. I feel like while he tried he didn’t hammer it home well at all. He never gave out examples of how different cultures have had super advanced understandings of particular aspects of life or the world. Things like architecture, astronomy, medicine, spirituality, agriculture, harmony with nature, hygiene etc. If you actually study them or ancient civilizations it’s actually really interesting and illuminating on how variable human society can be. The art and cultures from these places/times are all so interesting and are so different but you’ll see through lines and similarities connecting them with other civilizations on the other side of the globe. It really is a shame that imperialism has decimated so many interesting ways of life and cultures. Think of how different the world would be if these lands were allowed to blossom into the modern world. Would they become corrupted with access to technology or would they maintain their less environmentally destructive ways of living? Would the west dominate the global mass culture? Or would the Aztecs or the Mali Empire be the biggest global influencers? It’s hard to say, but it is not right what has been done to the world and so many people’s

[@Alexlalpaca]

"no trace of SJW bullshit in [Doom 2016/Eternal]" Oh boi, who's gonna tell him about the anti-corporate messaging?

[@hughquigley5337]

Don't forget the anti-sniper rifle and anti-strategy undertones! Can't forget those. Also maybe the hubris of mankind? That might have something to do with the whole "We can harness the energy from hell" stuff that inevitably went to shit. Kinda like Chaos Theory as is represented in Jurassic Park!

[@Johnson-br2lw]

@@hughquigley5337 what?

[@RequiemOfSolo]

@@hughquigley5337 huh

[@RJCain]

Abby Shapiro thinks Bioshock is Pro-capitalism. It's safe to say that right wingers are media illiterate and oblivious .

[@Kropothead]

@@hughquigley5337 I mean… the game where an untouchable megacorp literally opens the gates of hell in its haste to exploit and commodify a new energy source, sacrificing the lives of so many employees like crumpled solo cups after a kegger? I would definitely characterize that as anti-capitalist.

[@berniesharpe2767]

Dudes out here like "Asian people genetically tend not to fight back" and I'm looking at roof Koreans, China Town gangs, the Vietnam war, and all of Japanese history and just nodding my head along.

[@violetsparkles5453]

The entire basis of bushido mentality is to never surrender and to fight for honor and defend your social group. Japan fought back so hard they had to get nuked in order to chill out (citation needed) TEND NOT TO FIGHt BACK??

[@berniesharpe2767]

@@violetsparkles5453 And then when asked if he had empirical evidence he said "of course. They have more narrow shoulders!" I was fucking dead.

[@bigcody2657]

Has he just not.. heard of any form of martial art?

[@Pitmidget]

Sun Tzu literally wrote the art of war!!!

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@violetsparkles5453 Technically it was the impending Russian forces that made them chill out more. The nuke was overkill And happened mainly because of the political structure at the time and them not getting a bloody move on on decision making. Shaun, the skull, has a really good video on how it went down.

[@ttthecat]

Yes, my white mom didn't know how to do my black hair, but she learned! Because that's what parents who love their kids do! Yes, there were a few of my experiences as a black girl she didn't experience herself, so she had a little trouble immediately understanding but she NEVER had trouble loving and supporting me, listening to me and learning. Damn I am already so mad. I don't know if I can finish this!

[@jakesuper6447]

Aww so wholesome

[@lavellelee5734]

Adopted or mixed? Just out of curiosity. Also that's very wholesome

[@minnesotaproud1949]

Damn, your mom evolved to be better at hair

[@TheGenghisKha]

Dude as a person studying Evolutionary Biology in college right now, this guy is really really off-mark. He literally chose the answer to a test question that is put there to weed out who understands evolution and who doesn't

[@connortobin3775]

The dude still believes Lamarck was right

[@justcallmekai1554]

@@connortobin3775 He probably thinks that if you lose an arm and have a kid, that Kid doesn't have an arm. That's the logic he was using.

[@adamolofsson8668]

@@justcallmekai1554 what a wild world that would be though!

[@R.444-]

I just took Intro Anthropology last term and even I with the most basic exposure to the subject was in awe of how confidently wrong he was

[@SocBeefBoi]

@@justcallmekai1554 Fascists 🤝 -Communists- Red Fasc sharing the same dumb fucking ideas

[@redfin382]

So is this guy saying black people are born with the knowledge on how to do black people's hair? So a white women can't learn how to do her black childs hair? That was a terrible point

[@vojvodd]

Yeah, as a curly haired super white guy I think that point kind of destroyed his whole argument. Not all barbers know how to handle my hair

[@AT-vp8qw]

Right. As a black person, I haven't learned to do my hair properly until maybe 16/17. It's a skill, not genetics 😭

[@jborrego2406]

I mean they would know how to do it because they have the same hair lol

[@Lastrit_JME]

@@jborrego2406 No. Not really. They would know how to do it cause they were TAUGHT how to do it. If a black person was never taught how to treat black hair then they won't know how. There are white people who know more about black hair than your average black person would because they were trained to treat black hair.

[@hannahmander7607]

I mean heck, I'm just about as white as all get out and I sure don't know a thing about how to do my own hair, I get that lecture every time I go in for a trim lol x_x

[@jhorn2855]

fucking hell, another one? No more canada until we figure out just what the hell is going on

[@jhorn2855]

@Tariq Nasheed TRUE

[@jhorn2855]

@Tariq Nasheed quebec as well

[@JHammy642]

It genuinely surprises me when I see “Canadian” and “Nazi” in the same sentence for some reason. Vaush is actively hacking at the shock, though.

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

@Tariq Nasheed 🎵Tariq he don't like it, punch all nazbols punch all nazbols🎵 In the tune of "Rock the Kasbah" This would be a good parody.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Even the non Nazi's are pretty yikes

[@StudioNama]

This man fell into eugenics in record time. People don't act the way they do because of genetics, it's because of upbringing and generational traumas.

[@chloe-gwen5178]

this canadian dude: cAnAdA dOEsn'T hAvE RAcE prOBLems me, a canadian criminal justice major, looking at the long ass history of systemic racism towards Indigenous Canadians: you have invented a new kind of stupid, a damage you can never undo kind of stupid

[@thesewinggeekmiri9029]

an 'open all the cages in the zoo' kind of stupid

[@avam6080]

'really, you didn't think this through?' kind of stupid

[@SimplyLotus2319]

@@avam6080 So let’s review. You took a rumor, a few, *maybe* two people knew. And refuted it by sharing an affair of which NO ONE has accused you. I begged you to take a break.. You refused to.

[@harinder13137]

honestly the amount of racism and discrimination is against Indigenous ppl is disgusting, not to mention the 500+ children bodies found near Indigenous schools, to teach the children to be more "civilized" and go on "right path"

[@obeb787]

Thank you! 🙌

[@wildpiercy1141]

I'm literally 1 minute in and he cites the new Dooms as having no "sjw bullshit" when the first game was a pisstake on capitalism all the way through, and Eternal has a very easy to argue anti-colonialist reading.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I thought he might have been being sarcastic about that because of how blatant it is in both games if you just look... but then he went on to make some real bonkers takes and I realized he must have the media literacy of a termite

[@Indoor_Carrot]

Anybody who uses the term "Alpha Male" seriously is just stupid

[@Badartist888]

I just remember his sort complaining about how it was too sjw when they saw the trailer. But to be fair, I prefer Wolfenstein for the plot. The original. Where you pump a few hundred rounds into Hitler.

[@hiage66666]

Plus anti-corp

[@-chloe-8728]

LITERALLY. i didn’t think anyone could miss the slap in the face “COLONIALISM IS BAD” theme in eternal but he’s done it lmao.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

It's strange when they bring up African history despite not actually knowing anything about it like for Example Western Africans independently developed agriculture and metallurgy produced loads of hyper detailed arts culture clothing etc and that's just one part of Africa

[@Crawver]

Oh these guys can only imagine Africa as small tribes of hunter gatherers who have never had anything more than loin cloths. They have no knowledge of things like the Mali empire, or how timbuktu was one of the centres of education on the planet.

[@wickednwyld]

The people legit believe that everyone on the entire continent still lives in mud huts. I had one the other day who said that there are no cars in Africa. WTF????

[@Kaidona]

Yeah, Africans also made big buildings, theirs just had considerably less permanence because it's fucking hot there and timber was easier to work with, so most of that shit was built with wood.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@No One even Europeans talked about lacking stone building materials so they had to import it

[@cass7448]

"I haven't personally heard of it, therefore it doesn't exist" - Historically illiterate person.

[@jaspaulsandhu3196]

"Canada has never had slavery" That tells me so much about how little this dude knows about Canada. Canada had slavery until 1834, when the Abolition Act was passed.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

Canada didn't become a country until 1867 though

[@jaspaulsandhu3196]

@@jesspavlichenko5745 and because it wasn't a nation, all of the history that occurred in Canada before confederation gets to be magically unhappened?

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@jaspaulsandhu3196 ?? You're trying to attribute a certain law to a nation, when that nation didn't exist for another 30 years. Yes, I don't think Native Americans are responsible for the blood lust of the Aztecs just because they shared the same land lmao

[@jaspaulsandhu3196]

@@jesspavlichenko5745 to which Native Americans are you referring? The Aztec are a subgroup of Native Americans, or are you claiming that they were not a nation indigenous to North America. They also didn't hold land in common with other Native Americans aside from their immediate neighbors. By contrast, the transition of Canada from a colony to a nation didn't involve some kind of shift in demographics. The people of the colony became the people of the Province, who then incorporated the nation.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@jaspaulsandhu3196 All over the continent of the Americas, lived various tribes, now considered to be indigenous to the area. My point is other native groups aren't responsible for what the Aztecs did just because it occurred on the same lands. Canada never had legal slavery, ever, and in fact played a role in freeing slaves from the States. That's a fact and no amount of historical revisionism will change the history we are all proud of. Canada never had legal slavery, period.

[@marksilla8276]

12:36 Someone in chat asked if Turqoise is Obama's last name and I'm dead

[@turtledovew2150]

Omfg you’re a legend for spotting this I’m still laughing

[@oldflowers1342]

LMFAO SOMEONE RESPONDED "NO HIS LAST NAME IS CARE"

[@Retog]

I don’t get it

[@Ristofec]

@@Retog there’s a meme about people thinking Barack Obama’s first name is just “Obama” since so many people just refer to him as “Obama” instead of Barack

[@rayc766]

I SPIT MY FOOD OUT

[@stoneman472]

Apparently, lifting weights and reading will completely alter my genetics. I'm learning a lot today.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

We are all becoming well-evolved specimen in here. *High five*

[@ashfox7498]

I'm EVUUUUUUUUUUUUULVIN!

[@mikek9297]

So will access to shelter, clean running water and steady nutrition.

[@FortuitousOwl]

I remember going to animation school, my genetics totally changed and I evolved into an animator it was crazy

[@GherkinPickleGroyper]

@@FortuitousOwl Vaush immediately begins by implementing the drawing the line fallacy and his social construct argument can be extrapolated to every single thing he believes in such as social justice, equality, and class. Class is a social construct and the dividing lines between classes don't exist and it's hard to tell when bourgeoisie ends and proletariat begin. You obviously wouldn't argue this but its even more prone to this argument than the material differences in race such as melanin and other factors that trend alongside race. Furthermore, I do not see any accurate addressing of the Minnesota Trans Racial Adoption Study which shows a 0.7 significance of race and genetics due to the socioeconomic status being held at a (asymptotal since you can never fully control people) constant. At 24 minutes his argument is misleading because yes there are environmental factors that effect intelligence, however each person has a phenotypic maximum. If you lock someone in a room their whole life they will score low on an IQ test compared to if they were raised normally. However, you can push that person to his phenotypic maximum. Retarded people will never score well on an IQ test. There is the phenotypic maximum. Also at 25 minutes he points out iq increasing over the past 100 years (Flynn effect) but fails to address the literature that suggests people are being pushed to their phenotypic maximum and that IQ scores (as well as correlates such as reaction time, innovations per capita, and word usage) have been going down since the 1990s. At 28 minutes he again commits the same fallacy, failing to notice that once again, Irish people are NOW being pushed more to their phenotypic maximum unlike during the time of the study. African American intelligence is increasing because we are pushing them to their phenotypic maximum however in adoption studies where they live in households that make over 200k and go to private schools, the IQ differences between those blacks and whites is the same as the national average. I think we can push Africans to a better phenotypic maximum, but will the other races slow down? But it's just the education of course...... Also this wignat is pretty dumb and you should argue with someone who actually studies hereditarianism. I don't think I need to highlight what he's wrong about as it's pretty obvious, but being that this is Vaush's page I pushed back on him moreso.

[@the-nick-of-time]

With the green/blue example about 8 minutes in: this is actually an interesting phenomenon within linguistics. Basically you can sit down a bunch of speakers of different languages with color palettes that have hue gradients and tell them to draw a line around the colors they would call "blue" (or any other one of their language's basic color words) and you can get some wildly different results. Some languages make a hard distinction between what us english speakers would simply call light vs. dark blue, while others conflate green and blue. All distinctions made between parts of spectra are arbitrary.

[@TheMrVengeance]

Exactly, the colour example actually *_defeats_* the Nazi's point. But he's too dumb to understand it. Yes, there's green. Yes, there's blue. But there's no objective/inherent border between where blue ends and green begins. Drawing that border is arbitrary and a social construct. And so you can't assign inherent traits to blue or green when they aren't even really two different distinct things, but points on a larger continuous spectrum.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

For the longest time, Japanese used the same word for blue AND green. Ao. Their traffic lights are actually blue, red, and yellow.

[@TheMrVengeance]

@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle - Exactly, I was just making this point elsewhere. A blue sky and a green traffic light are both referred to as "blue". It wasn't until after WWII that midori really became a separate word for "green".

[@pindakaas42]

good point

[@stateofserenity96]

TRUE

[@byronentwistle8525]

This guy explaining his understanding of evolution changed my genetics in such a way that now i have a massive brain aneurysm

[@ohitsshallows]

Maybe when Trump said "they arent sending their best" he was actually referring to our northern neighbors.

[@judoshrew]

"No one even in your chat would say I'm losing it." *chat go zooooom*

[@supermutantsam1160]

It speaks to his lack of self-awareness where he just thinks is positions are so objectively true that it would be impossible for anyone to disagree with them. This explains why he’s so bad at backing up his arguments as well.

[@RequiemOfSolo]

Tribal hive mind behavior. You are virtue signaling to your fellow sheep right now patting them on the back for blindly following eachother and vaush and collectively shutting down the opposition.

[@effenberg2532]

@@RequiemOfSolo this entire debate has been had so many times and the bell curve has been disproven countless of times by actual scientists (no not some random youtube channel that tells you to be afraid of black people, scientists with actual degress from real universities) so I think you should reconsider who really is the sheep here

[@BornOnThursday]

But have you consider feelings over facts /s

[@wickednwyld]

@@RequiemOfSolo - When 'the opposition' has boldly and proudly demonstrated that he has zero actual understanding of the basic scientific concept (evolution) that he is trying to use as a basis for his opinion, and he refuses to listen to actual information presented, what whould the proper response be, exactly?

[@darriancampbell9928]

"Give me an ethnostate uwu" - Nazi

[@jonsnow5513]

Give him a train ride to S*beria...

[@frankatwood1770]

Yeah, it's called the right to self determination and democracy. If certain people are ethnocentric they should be allowed to live that while the non-ethnocentric people are also free to live with diversity; that's freedom.

[@martins458]

@@frankatwood1770 ethnocentric, what a nice euphemism.

[@aestheticaddict_]

@@frankatwood1770 honest question are you the guy in the video? lmao ur under every comment

[@marxistdoll2597]

@@frankatwood1770 freedom is only freedom when it doesn’t step on others freedom

[@tgreaux5027]

That guy was INSUFFERABLE holy shit. And he honestly thinks he performed well? He went off on barley-related tangents that didn't even confront Vaushs positions. That guy was the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon manifest.

[@nesslig2025]

This guys colour example just proves the point of Vaush. There are languages that don't make any distinction between green and blue, they are just shades of one colour. There are also those that don't make a distinction between red and pink, pink is just a shade of red. There even languages that only have 3 or 4 colour catagories, typically meaning "dark" "light" and "red" or if 4 terms an additional word for "green/yellow". Blue and purple would be just shades of "dark". And when you ask them to distinguish the differences between red and pink or yellow and green, they find it difficult to do so. There is also the case that in Russia, you have two words for two shades of blue. To Russians, it is very easy to tell the difference, but to an English speaker, they aren't as quick to see the difference. Language seems to influence how we see the world and categorize it.

[@panta_rhei.26]

Color is a social construct, based and languagepilled 😎

[@sheepketchup9059]

@@panta_rhei.26 it is!

[@sheepketchup9059]

Linguistic relativism.

[@doperagu8471]

This!!!

[@ariufondu]

This is brilliant

[@maplesyrupmush9320]

Isolationism is so epic that japan now has a steadily decreasing birthrate

[@christiantabares6713]

Im vaguely aware of the decreasing birthrate in Japan and its overall isolationist behaviors and policies; I was just wondering if there's more than correlation.

[@GreMnMlin]

@@christiantabares6713 it is correlation not causation, but the isolationism worsens the problem. There are less and less young people to work jobs, and these same people no longer have the time or financial support to raise family. So ending their strict immigration policies would help to alleviate these problems. In short, it isn't the cause, but it contributes to making it way harder to fix.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Haha

[@ianardell4660]

@Ooki Cooki lol?

[@reyalsregnava]

Japan's plummeting birth rate is cultural. Their fixation on contributing to the work force has damaged their national longevity. Mostly due to debt and aging population. If you're young work full time and need to pay off debt and care for elderly parents having a child is an objectively reckless thing.

[@autumnishere420]

“debating a lunatic” well this should be good

[@chasen4432]

Mirror debate moment

[@vanmello1680]

@Tariq Nasheed Don't care didn't ask plus you're white

[@maxthescarecrow4038]

@Tariq Nasheed That's what each one says.

[@vanmello1680]

Dude I was reading this comment again and I read your user as "Autism is here" and now I can't stop laughing send help

[@autumnishere420]

@@vanmello1680 accurate

[@Natalietrans]

Fun fact: doomguy is a descendant of Bj blazkowitz, a JEW. So in this guy’s world, he couldn’t have doom

[@revenge3265]

People severely underestimate the racism in Canada... Like ask any Native/Black person their experience and you'll hear... things. It's even worse if you're a Black or Native female too. Like look at the missing persons and the neglect of these cases. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that racism is still a big problem in most countries and isn't only confined to America. We still have big strides to take.

[@friendlyneighbor9536]

I'm also noticing the racism in Canada becoming more and more explicit as more people (for whatever reason) are becoming conservative in Canada. I cant count the amount of times I have debated with friends and family about race realism and that immigration is good and doesn't necessarily take jobs or lower wages for native born citizens. These people were liberal in 2016 and despised trump now he's a god to them.

[@j.malo-roper4050]

Canadian racism is that special old-school kind of racism where even other whites are gatekept. Like, ask this dude what he thinks about the French.

[@cbowd]

yeah for the record, as a black American I absolutely did not think Canada was some paradise for black + brown people. Pretty much anywhere in The West is likely to have racism, and Canada's ableism seems awful so obviously it isn't populated by completely enlightened beings. I look majorly askance at Canadians and Europeans who pretend like racism is just an American thing.

[@jshway7827]

@@j.malo-roper4050 if you lived near Quebec you would hate the french too. Seriously though it’s more of a sport rivalry kind of thing in my experience. Like how the English joke about the Whelsh. If two white unoppressed people can’t even mutually joke about each other we have reached weird levels of woke.

[@JPISME91]

I just heard about Willie Pickton not too long ago. He killed 49 woman, almost all Inuit sex workers. Didn’t put nearly enough resources into finding him at first. You know that’d be 100% different if they were white women who weren’t sex workers.

[@Pereirasama]

"For thousands of years people didn't looked into microscopes..." Well, for thousands of years people died of diarrhea for drinking obviously contaminated water so i guess looking at things through different lens was a good thing.

[@skullingtonfx4441]

"different" *nazis triggered*

[@anyalaASMR]

And died of regular old diarrhea because of dehydration. Shocked the human race survived this long.

[@luciferkotsutempchannel]

@@anyalaASMR Dehydration causes diarrhea? Pardon my ignorance, but I would've thought it would be more likely to cause constipation... Still bad either way.

[@максимфедоров-и5б]

@@luciferkotsutempchannel no, its like diarreha dehidrates you and THEN you die just, like, saying

[@luciferkotsutempchannel]

@@максимфедоров-и5б So then the person I was responding to had cause and effect backwards. Got it.

[@Kapoosh000]

"I watched a TV show and somebody did not know how to do a black child's hair, therefore we need an ethnostate"

[@salsaroja9740]

Literally all Vaush needed to say was “Ok, then they can learn how to.”

[@Channel9001]

Was this dude trying to imply that knowing how to do black hair is genetic? Like that you have to be black to do it?

[@starrgazer9]

I watched a soap opera and somebody did not know how to season food, therefore we need an ethnostate

[@adult93]

"No one in your chat would think I'm being unreasonable." Chat: "Nah, he tweekin."

[@TigerBrows]

I feel the need to apologize for the fact that you've been having to deal with my country's nazi problem.

[@gwelwynn]

Since COVID, the only thing we've been able to export across the border is our nazi problem

[@BlackMammoth25]

@@gwelwynn As an American, I can guarantee that your nazi problem hasn't even touched my country because we had our own nazi problem to begin with.

[@CaptPeon]

America's nazi problem is better than Canada's nazi problem. America is exceptional in ALL things! 😥👍🏼

[@averageteaenjoyer752]

I, as another Canadian, will second that apology, further contributing to Canadians' reputation for issuing second-hand apologies and excessive formalities.

[@K1LL3Rm0nkay]

@@BlackMammoth25 fair but we did produce Molyneux, Crowder, McGinnis and many more. For these were sorry

[@nothingtoseehere8865]

This guy’s fundamental lack of understanding about biology is hilarious

[@Potatogoblin]

RIGHT! I'm in college for Mycrobiology and I'm screaming. He really doesn't understand evolution!

[@michaelregis1015]

My boy really tried to argue that you can have major biological evolutionary changes within 2-3 generations😂

[@xaviertillie9256]

​@@PotatogoblinI'd like to preface that I disagree with everything that the Canadian guy said but given that evolution is the change in the allele frequencies of a population over time and a change in allele frequencies can result in a change in the phenotypic frequencies in a population, it is entirely possible to be able to observe evolution in a population over the period of one generation assuming that there is some sort of selection or other event that affects the alleles that will be inherited by the offspring from the parent generation. All that to say, while the Canadian was not correct when it came to how he tried to frame the process of evolution, from what I understand about population genetics, Vaush wasn't correct in saying that evolution cannot take place in just 1-2 generations. Granted Vaush being incorrect about that one detail doesn't suddenly mean that the Canadian is correct.

[@ReidBlakley]

His use of the colour analogy is funny because the dividing lines between colours are also culturally determined. Some cultures think of blue and green as different shades of the same colour. Orange used to be considered a shade of red (it’s named after the fruit). Russians consider dark blue and light blue different colours. Studies show that this can affect how we actually *perceive* the colours in question; if your language doesn’t distinguish between green and blue, it can be hard for you to perceive the difference between certain shades of green and blue.

[@hydras5947]

Brown is just dark orange. This revelation really opened my eyes to how subjective color is. His analogy was terrible.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@hydras5947 Pink is just red that was left out in the sun too long. Ive found, personally, in my hears as an artist, my distinction of colours has become a lot more fluid, even more than when I was just bilingual. Colour theory is still a pain though.

[@helforsite3130]

@@hydras5947 You blew my mind abit with this, brown really is just a dark orange.

[@GigasGMX]

Magenta is literally a fake color the brain makes up to cope with something emitting both red and purple frequencies.

[@limitbreak2966]

“Plsss can I just have oooneeee ethnostate mommm” “honey, we have already have enthostate at home” Ethnostate at home: *literally the Holocaust*

[@t0ad_]

“i don’t think we’re gonna get too many jamals or shaniqua’s hanging around” christ almighty

[@wickednwyld]

That line pretty much sums up all his BS.

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

And he KNEW the names were stereotypical and kinda racist because he lost it after Vaush questioned his use.

[@GeteMachine]

@@Fragenzeichenplatte It didnt take long for him to go mask off.

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

@@GeteMachine People like him can't help themselves.

[@stevonwhite8933]

Just gonna mention that names like, Shaniqua(and the names very similar to it)for example, come from native languages. Hell, Jerome is a Scottish name ffs. The fact that these names have become “Black names” when, they don’t even come from Africa is freaking insane…

[@gregravengrave]

As soon as he said “there’s no systemic racism in Canada” I just about died. He must be living in a different Canada than me lol.

[@saraamin5494]

Nazi guy: "Who are the indigenous people again?"

[@harrisonw6065]

@@saraamin5494 "fuck I thought we got rid of them all"

[@randomassname445]

Theres no evidence of systemic racism in Canada.

[@owen3721]

I was surprised that he even admitted that it exists in America.

[@devonjoseph8753]

He's so inherently racist that he can unironically say this because indigenous people probably aren't even on his radar or are just so unimportant to him.

[@diegomo1413]

“Black people should be able to move _into_ your house. _Into_ your bathroom” I wheezed. Excellent troll 🤣👌

[@smaakjeks]

Being a biologist and listening to this caller not even getting things right enough to be wrong about them was beyond frustrating.

[@sassiemassie]

Just an extra fun fact, not that this would change people’s minds: There were massive, impressive structures in all parts of Africa for thousands of years, they were just made of brick as opposed to stone because those were the available materials so they were less durable and degraded faster over time.

[@professionalmemeenthusiast2117]

We really need someone with an expertise in African history to debate these people. It's not 100% necessary as their arguments can be refuted without even appealing to history, but it would be fun and educate a lot of viewers.

[@harrisonw6065]

@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 I'd definitely be down to watch a historian bring down their points since I think that history is a far more objective source of information for most people and it'd be likely to drag people away from race realism if we appeal to them through historical sources.

[@almageist]

@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 Yea and the insane point he wanted to make was that somehow Africans are hunter gatherers while Europe and Asia were agricultural. Not even remotely true.

[@wickednwyld]

@@almageist - I always love it when they say 'Africans', like the entire continent is some kind of monolith. These are the same people who think that Africa is a country.

[@ZambeziKid]

Ironic that they dont even understand that egypt is in africa.

[@emmastenzel6420]

holy shit the amount of patience Vaush has. I could never

[@BornOnThursday]

I've had similar debates with family members, and then they say I started it... They acted as if being challenged was against their freedom of speech... I would say that this shows that education, and the invention of the internet increases an individuals chances to learn far more than previous generations in a shorter amount of time, and see more perspectives that could rid one of racism and the feeling of supremacy.

[@MeNatalieMarie]

You should have heard him try to debate the gay out of Dylan Burns. It was awful and Dylan had so much patience. I don't know how he didn't go off on him and kick him from the call.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

@@BornOnThursday It's a shame that people think that they have a constitutional right to live without thinking hard or being challenged. They read the constitution like the read their bibles: they don't.

[@Israel-nb7ip]

@@undeniablySomeGuy lol on that last sentence. Factual and hilarious

[@christian2i]

@@MeNatalieMarie can't find it... Cause he doesn't drop his name

[@salsaroja9740]

“I can’t believe you don’t understand my intuitive, unrelated, materially unsubstantiated claim as fact!” 😡

[@Tim0nTh]

'It's just another idea than yours, man' 'Yes, but your ideas are unsubstantiated and harmful' 'Hey, it's just another way of thinking man' I honestly think these people don't see how vile and idiotic they sound when they say stuff like this. 'I just think this'd be better' is not a great basis for something as absurt as an ethnostate

[@BornOnThursday]

@@Tim0nTh It reminds me of those arguing about religion and saying science can't help test if a religion is a literal history of the world/universe, and only faith can be used... Also, their faith tells them their religion is correct and all the others are obviously wrong...

[@pranays]

@@Tim0nTh lying is part of the nazi game.

[@TheJoeFactor]

You know you are dealing with a top mind when he starts by saying that Doom 2016, in which a capitalist corporation digs into literal hell for the sake of profit without giving a fuck to the risk , is no sjw bullshit.

[@spe3dy744]

There were literally empires in Africa but this guy thinks they were still all hunter gatherers before Europe.

[@GeteMachine]

The wealthiest men in precolonial history were African. Hence why it was a target for colonization for it.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Mansa Musa has entered the chat. He also seems to be forgetting that Egypt is in Africa.

[@JH-fb3mp]

"let's use west virginia as an example, but don't respond to my example of west virginia" This guy was absurdly bad faith. The few times he let Vaush explain himself he was simply waiting for his turn to talk instead of listening He legit thought he won because Vaush gave up refuting his absurd hypothetical after a half hour of being talked over

[@matteo-ciaramitaro]

The guys an idiot but he's right that Vaush was being unfair with the hypothetical. When someone presents a hypothetical, you don't engage with it by saying, "Well that wouldn't happen, but if it did we'd send in the troops", because the question he asked was whether people would be happier, which has nothing to do with whether or not it's a plausible scenario

[@Parmetheus]

@@matteo-ciaramitaro What was wrong with the infrastructure ready new island alternative?

[@JH-fb3mp]

@@matteo-ciaramitaro it just seemed like he couldn't think of any scenario where the idea would actually work, so the conversation felt pointless. But perhaps that's me being overly pragmatic

[@AnimeFan9833]

@@JH-fb3mp Yeah you should always either engage with a hypothetical or dismiss it, arguing the premises instead is actually a bad faith tactic. Though that did feel a little tounge in cheek there.

[@TheLithp]

@@matteo-ciaramitaro No, he's wrong from jump. He literally said hypotheticals have to be plausible then didn't want to address the fact that his wasn't. Besides, Vaush is right to say that ceding territory is a moral issue. He even tried to give the guy an out where that issue wouldn't matter, but he refused.

[@inkjetkuznetzov669]

This debate caused me to evolve a lower iq 😔👊

[@JxKITCH]

According to vaush brains aren't susceptible to environmental pressures regarding mutations

[@dreadedsage8630]

@@JxKITCH What environmental pressures?

[@salsaroja9740]

My brain genes regressed to that my Australopithecus ancestors listening to this.

[@Cube-xm6vt]

@@JxKITCH That's not how evolution works. Your body doesn't just magically change to adapt to the enviroment. It's random genetic mutations that, if they facilitate reproduction, they will be passed to the next generation, but will disappear otherwise

[@JxKITCH]

@@dreadedsage8630 if not that, what would cause a brain of a species to change over time? Natural selection doesn't apply to neurons too? Weird

[@danny3xeer]

my favorite thing about these arguments, is that most of the people leave thinking they wrecked vaush

[@lydiafayre9806]

Hey Canadians As someone from a country which also has a terrible history of genocide, I think it might be time for us to all to just agree to let go of this "We don't claim this person" reaction when we encounter white supremacists. Every country has fascists--that's just the reality, but I think we'll all just be in a better position to shift the culture away from that that problem if we're willing to recognize it's existence. Sincerely, an American

[@moustachio05]

Fascists should not exist in the first place

[@rugvedkulkarni1593]

When we say "we don't claim him" we are letting you know he is a outcast in Canada. Many people when seeing someone from a foreign country they subconsciously see them as a representation of that country. We just want to remind you that Nazis are not welcome in Canada or anywhere.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

"We don't claim this" is code for "Hey guys, he's just an exception. Sweep it back under the rug please." Problems in Canada, where 30% of the prisoners are First Nations peoples, don't get nearly enough international attention.

[@lydiafayre9806]

​@@rugvedkulkarni1593 My concern is way more directed toward the instances where I perceive an implication that the white supremacist mindset as antithetical to the Canadian identity. People where I live in northern California showcase this same attitude a lot too. They realize that racism is worse in the American south, and a lot of them say stuff like "oh, that kind of thing doesn't happen here." They also sometimes teeter on the edge of a no true scottsman fallacy. They look at the culture around them with a less critical eye, and feel pretty justified in doing so because hey--everyone knows they aren't *that* bad. But because of that, their bar for what would be *that* bad is...kinda low? Hey, I'd be be perfectly ready to believe that neither you nor any other Canadian you've ever known has done this, but I've seen a few who have made remarks very similar to that, and while I can't prove that Canadians are just as capable of logical fallacies as the rest of humanity, all of the evidence I see does lead me to think humans are all more or less the same, so I want to warn against this particular fallacy.

[@lydiafayre9806]

@@mypartyisprivate8693 I don't think everyone who says that line is *intentionally* conveying that message...but I think that's a very unfortunate consequence of that kind of mindset. If we want to be effective advocates for change, I think we have to recognize that the destructive elements in our society *are* representatives of said society--while actively trying to be the best counter representatives against that element that we can be.

[@xXRockXLobsterXx]

"When Canada sends its people, they're not sending their best!" 😅

[@Mic-bu8wb]

Build the wall and canada will pay for it

[@janbittner1465]

Some of them are good people I assume.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

@@Mic-bu8wb canada will pay for a very strong wall the tippy top security and it will be a nice feature next to the niagra falls

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I think this dude "micro-evolutated" bigger lungs and a strong throat, he could talk for Canada at the Olympics. His family must have been working on it for 80 years...

[@freannde]

Oh my God I couldn't stop screaming "that's not how evolution works" at the screen. Honestly, people like this just need to be better educated before forming opinions.

[@isabellehodgetts6162]

@@freannde the thing that leads to these beliefs is literally only like 2 big factors, propoganda, and being uneducated, they fill in the gaps of their missing knowlegde with the horrid BS other nazis pedal, and then it spirals from there.

[@GZQ9]

@@freannde yeah evolution needs way more than 80 years to do stuff, more like 90 or 100

[@pindakaas42]

@Lydia but hes not talking about individuals or small groups either, hes talking about a whole population changing it's IQ in 80years, that is on the scale of way longer, whole human populations have been the same for 10000 years or so.

[@ngotemna8875]

@Lydia Yeah make that 1000 generations not years and we get there.

[@xray5984]

the canadian nazi: "Dye your hair blue and you'll evolve into a super saiyan." "it's very minor but happens in a decade."

[@rogersmith996]

"That's not real race realism" "I'm bringing you new arguments you haven't heard before, Vaush" "So there are differences in skull shape..." 🙄

[@frankatwood1770]

Leftists are still using the strawman of phrenology in 2021?

[@rogersmith996]

@@frankatwood1770 Fascists typically mention this stuff when making their race realist arguments; just like this guy and many others have before🤷

[@robertpresley1503]

@@frankatwood1770 trolls are still stalking KZbin comments in 2021?

[@angusmarch1066]

@@frankatwood1770 wtf? He was literally talking about shoulder width and skull shape in this debate! Fascists haven't changed thier arguments, there is no strawman.

[@lillypuppygirl2813]

Vaush: at what point does blue or green become turquoise? Nazi: Now your saying that colors dont exist

[@frankatwood1770]

Yes, if you applied Vaush's standard equally he would be saying that the categories of green and blue are invalid because there is an in between.

[@pindakaas42]

@@frankatwood1770 no the point is different people see colors begin and end at different points, going so far that different languaes don't differentiate blue and green for example. This is a perfect analogy, the distintions between the colors are put in a place by culture, like distictions between races. French and German used to be different races, aswell as Greek and Italian or Irish, now it's all "white" because it's a social distinction not a real physical one. Like for us blue is blue while russians have more words and can on average see more blue colors, purely defined by habits.

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@frankatwood1770 rather, you’re going to argue that turquoise is actually blue because you think so. No one is saying colors don’t exist but that the connotations we associate with them are subjective.

[@colt9836]

@@frankatwood1770 When does red become pink? When does orange become scarlet? When does white become gray? The same applies to race: when does a Frankish person become white? Why weren't the Irish consider white until the last decade? What about Italians? The Greeks? Race and color are the same: They are subjective.

[@lydiafayre9806]

@@frankatwood1770 It doesn't follow that they're "invalid." That word doesn't even make sense in this context. They have been proven to be broad social constructs however. There are indication that some ancient world cultures didn't really identify blue the way we do, and there are communities alive today that don't perceive a distinction between green and blue. Your brain is a processing center, and the way it processes is the result of learned programming. Green and blue are distinct because we've applied distinction to them.

[@e.h.2704]

This dude learned genetics from the guy who thought Giraffe necks got longer per generation because they stretch them to eat leaves on trees Just absolute Black Hole of a brain

[@yunix2396]

This is a jacksfilms joke. I love it.

[@vanmello1680]

Wait that's not how it happened?????!!!!!!!

[@harrisonw6065]

I just did a quick Google search and apparently giraffes evolved to have long necks to compete for females in mating, and that the longer the neck the more likely the giraffe would win in the fight over a partner.

[@slashb7836]

Yeah, he oozes Lamarck

[@krannok]

Hey, that's a bit unfair! It wasn't the easiest journey, going from essentialism to evolution by reason alone with your only evidence being "Children resemble their parents, but giraffes and whales exist. What the hell?" Remember, these people had no idea something like genetics even existed. The neck idea was *an* idea. It was wrong, but it was fundamentally on the right track (environmental pressures and utility favour particular traits), they just missed on the nature of the mechanism that transmits characteristics to the next generation. Anyway. Nazis are just all kinds of wrong. Not at all a well-meant near-miss like the giraffe neck thing.

[@jordank4889]

the only ethnostate I support is one where all the nazis go to, and it is located at the bottom of the pacific ocean

[@pedrodesanti6266]

"we dont have a racial problem in Canada" when his own existence is proof of the opposite

[@aurockscastillo5460]

Their metro sexual prime minister is just window dressing.

[@HamburgerHat1]

Interesting he says that considering the fact that some native reserves don’t have clean drinking water. And a bunch of Newfie’s attacking native fishermen because they can fish when they can’t. The general Native American situation in Canada is fucking shit for a lot of them unfortunately. It’s almost like he’s ignoring that entirely Lol

[@studi0651]

It’s insanely impressive how him using This is Us as “evidence” for race realism isn’t even his dumbest moment.

[@zking2929]

True 👍

[@OmegaWeaponX2]

This guy mocking Vaush's "stop" confirms that he is just an 8 year old and no one should ever take him seriously at all.

[@acezero5705]

Not the "being a nazi" part Feel like that's enough kek

[@koolarooo]

You know you are on the winning side when you copy your debate opponent in whiny voice

[@gracie1312]

44:55

[@OmegaWeaponX2]

@@acezero5705 That's just a given. Not every nazi acts as much like a child as this guy does.

[@Rogue_Leader]

“Us, the fascists”. That there is why you don’t owe him a single word of politeness

[@Treetops27]

These people in a nutshell: "Texas is hot for much of the year which enables physical productivity for building large structures like skyscrapers. Michigan is cold which stifles productivity and prevents the construction of skyscrapers. There are many compelling theories for why Michigan has never built a single skyscraper since inception, so let's discuss a few... "

[@pindakaas42]

Also explains why civilization around 1000B.C. was already advanced in Egypt and never came to Germany.

[@kkounal974]

Bro what if it's hot you have to regulate body heat and that takes energy. Just try to run in a sunny vs a cloudy day to see that productivity. Even this argument is half-true.

[@Treetops27]

".... No, sir, I have not been to Michigan myself, but AlternateHistoryHub made a very good video..."

[@singhatar0912]

They have no sky scrapers ? Wait isn’t New York really the only state with skyscrapers tho ? I don’t think we have very many here in California. I think I may have seen a few in Tempe Arizona I think not sure

[@Alquasar]

lmao this guy learned genetics from pokemon

[@shadowspark]

So did my 12 yr old cousin, but even he knows that pokemon get strong from training at gyms, not just being a certain type.

[@XIX965]

@@shadowspark actually dragon types and fairy types are naturally stronger then the others And legendary and mythical pokemon are also naturally stronger Yes some pokemon can become stronger through training but gyn battles are a test of strength not where you get stronger Also I'm a pokemon nerd and stan

[@GherkinPickleGroyper]

Vaush immediately begins by implementing the drawing the line fallacy and his social construct argument can be extrapolated to every single thing he believes in such as social justice, equality, and class. Class is a social construct and the dividing lines between classes don't exist and it's hard to tell when bourgeoisie ends and proletariat begin. You obviously wouldn't argue this but its even more prone to this argument than the material differences in race such as melanin and other factors that trend alongside race. Furthermore, I do not see any accurate addressing of the Minnesota Trans Racial Adoption Study which shows a 0.7 significance of race and genetics due to the socioeconomic status being held at a (asymptotal since you can never fully control people) constant. At 24 minutes his argument is misleading because yes there are environmental factors that effect intelligence, however each person has a phenotypic maximum. If you lock someone in a room their whole life they will score low on an IQ test compared to if they were raised normally. However, you can push that person to his phenotypic maximum. Retarded people will never score well on an IQ test. There is the phenotypic maximum. Also at 25 minutes he points out iq increasing over the past 100 years (Flynn effect) but fails to address the literature that suggests people are being pushed to their phenotypic maximum and that IQ scores (as well as correlates such as reaction time, innovations per capita, and word usage) have been going down since the 1990s. At 28 minutes he again commits the same fallacy, failing to notice that once again, Irish people are NOW being pushed more to their phenotypic maximum unlike during the time of the study. African American intelligence is increasing because we are pushing them to their phenotypic maximum however in adoption studies where they live in households that make over 200k and go to private schools, the IQ differences between those blacks and whites is the same as the national average. I think we can push Africans to a better phenotypic maximum, but will the other races slow down? But it's just the education of course...... Also this wignat is pretty dumb and you should argue with someone who actually studies hereditarianism. I don't think I need to highlight what he's wrong about as it's pretty obvious, but being that this is Vaush's page I pushed back on him moreso.

[@cjboyo]

It’s literally lamarckism that he’s preaching. It’s bizzate

[@cjboyo]

@@GherkinPickleGroyper IQ is primarily affected by two things, neither of which is really genetics: circumstances of birth, and education. Children who are adopted generally don’t have the best birth circumstances. That’s why white adopted kids generally don’t do as well as bio kids, because of early infancy adverse childhood events

[@camillefaith2005]

I love how Vaush just didn't even try to give this person any ethos in the title. He's just a lunatic. 💀

[@screaming_ghoul]

lmfao, i didnt even notice till you pointed it out. i thought it just said nazi...

[@frankatwood1770]

Well duh of course leftists aren't going to argue or represent their opposition in good faith.

[@camillefaith2005]

@@frankatwood1770 Dude......he's a nazi. 😭There's no good faith to be found.

[@aestheticaddict_]

@@frankatwood1770 ah yes because nazis argue in good faith all the time right?

[@electron6825]

@@frankatwood1770 cry more

[@beccagrantham5978]

10:55 "my friend, I beg of you, my fellow white, maybe" I laughed so hard when Vaush said that omg 😂

[@SamuraIcarus3]

Oh man I was expecting a part 3 to the great canadian nazi debate but here we are with the spiritual successor. I was expecting Megaman 3 and we got Azure Striker instead

[@pedro_.]

Tbh this was so bad we could call it might number 9

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@pedro_. at least gunvolt wasn’t terrible

[@ashfox7498]

Hopefully this is just an appetizer

[@K1LL3Rm0nkay]

He got recast

[@pedro_.]

@@ashfox7498 so, next week we have canadian nazi god or something like that

[@namename9194]

Evolution is when any sort of minor change happens in any way at all Therefore, when I cut my hair, I am genetically evolving myself and my children to have shorter hair and if I don't stop, everyone in the world is gonna be bald by 2050!

[@buncha3arrows195]

I evolved myself after hitting my little toe against the table!

[@namename9194]

@@buncha3arrows195 Your children will have toes made of steel to make up for this, it's simply how evolution works

[@persona7506]

@@namename9194 TRUE

[@mugsmcratmin6842]

@@namename9194 does that mean if I shoot myself with smaller bullets my children will be resistant to regular bullets?

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

i evolved myself after clipping my finger nails

[@nyu-chan3138]

As a Canadian we do not claim these people

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Why are there so many Canadian nazi's?

[@Yoopsen213]

@@Alex-cw3rz there’s literally 2

[@jeandehuit5385]

@@Alex-cw3rz One of the reasons Canada has so many Nazis (predominantly in Alberta & Ontario) is, paradoxically, the way Canada approaches multiculturalism. Don't worry, I'll explain. Multiculturalism, on the whole, isn't predestined to breed resentment in anybody, so long as the message is universal; we're all members of the same species, after all. However, most Canadian provinces were founded as British colonies that were later confederated into a single state, we have both imperialist & colonial baggage. This means our understanding of racial & cultural identities is, while inclusive, very simplistic. Thus, it appears easy for Right-Wingers to poke holes into, as well as for resentment to creep in. For ex. there's the stereotype of a First Nations person who has a 'close connection' to nature & his traditional culture, separated from modern technology. In reality, if you talk to a dude on a reservation, all he usually wants is to live a life not unlike everyone else's. He has no special connection to nature that any of us don't have, & he just wants clean drinking water. He may want to reconcile his culture *w/* modern technology to create new traditions. The same is true of other stereotypes. Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese & Korean immigrants (or the descendants of such immigrants) just become 'Asian,' w/ the same collection of stereotypes involving railroads, laundromats, corner stores, & Chinese food restaurants. Every man wearing a turban becomes a Muslim, even tho. we have a large Sikh population & the leader of the NDP party is himself Sikh. As a result, WASPs are generally taught to 'respect' these ppl. in some vague sense, but are given no direction in understanding them. They either ask why they can't have some 'special' identity of their own like these minorities do, or they ask why these 'minorities' can't just be 'regular' Canadians like them.

[@theangrycheeto]

@@Yoopsen213 Nah there are a lot of racist Canadian people. Mind you, they don't represent us but they cannot be swept under the rug. If you're Canadian, go to the news section on youtube and watch the recent Chauvin trial videos from citynews or global or cbc or whatever and take a look at the comments. It's some of the most vile, reprehensible shit about George Floyd you've ever heard. All the George Floyd videos get mass downvoted by nazis and all the mainstream Canadian news videos on youtube get down voted in general. There's a very real presence of these people, particularly in more rural areas.

[@marlboroprime657]

@@Yoopsen213 no, there's a lot

[@russki_dabb872]

I swear to god, this lunatic laughs every single time Vaush finishes a sentence. "Why is it so hard for you to agree about this?" That is a legit ad hominum. Like, implying that because Vaush is countering everything this Lunatic is saying is apparently Vaush being closed minded. EDIT: At the gene part, the Lunatic literally only listened to Vaush when he said "some genetic influence." The Lunatic literally shouted "I agree." Then when Vaush was finished and he started talking, Vaush was trying to explain to him something but the Lunatic was like "It's my time to talk. Okay Vaush. Whatever." Right wingers don't listen to anyone, they only listen someone when they say something that somewhat or genuinely is similar to what they think is true. The Lunatic also listen when Vaush is at mid sentence and the Lunatic points a "logical fallacy" when Vaush didn't even finish talking.

[@kaylagrant9624]

who else read “lunatic” and thought it was another debate with the canadian nazi

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

It's the same thing at this point.

[@jonsnow5513]

I don’t ever want to hear you guys compare us “Tankies” to these sociopaths ever again!!!

[@j0j0dartiste21]

@@jonsnow5513 y'all are just marginally better. Very marginally though

[@dccrashergames6553]

@@jonsnow5513 Seeing as how tankies believe a lot of the same social policies, yeah....

[@quinncooper1643]

Turns out it was!!!

[@Caminacels]

The working out is changing your genetics part is so insane, I'd have stopped the conversation right there. I don't get how someone who bases his whole world view on biological determinism can end up with such a bad understanding of the "biology" part there,

[@jacobali333]

Ah yes "Africa never developed great civilizations". Why couldn't he at least do SOME research?

[@leemacd8048]

Ikr wakanda is the most sophisticated civilisation to exist.

[@skore9975]

Egypt, Nubia, Kush, Christian Ethiopia, Ghana Empire, Tuareg confederations, Carthage, Kongo, Benin Empire, Great Zimbabwe, Swahili Coast city-states, Songhai, Aksum, Mali Empire, Zanzibar, etc

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

@@skore9975 Nice.

[@delightfulsquirtle316]

egypt enters the chat

[@GeteMachine]

"bUt tHeY lIvE iN mUd hUTs." isnt even true for the poorer modern areas.

[@ferox965]

I'm Canadian. We DEFINITELY have blood on our hands in terms of race. Our native people have been treated horribly. Also, living in downtown Ottawa, we got a strong whiff of Trump styled terrorism earlier this year with the radicalized convoy occupying our city for almost a month.

[@UwU-ULTR7A]

The truckers aren't racist. They are homophobic however.

[@UwU-ULTR7A]

Trudeau is literally a tankie also... but yeah, the truckers are shit brained, just as bad as the people they're fighting.

[@jaspermooren5883]

But that's not against them blacks, so it's not racism in their insane world view. It is literally black and white thinking that he does.